The Wikipedia page!
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Topic: The Wikipedia page!
Posted By: Andy Webb
Subject: The Wikipedia page!
Date Posted: August 12 2010 at 15:07
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I just wanted to say that i created a wikipedia page for the website! I noticed that on a few prog albums on wikipedia Progarchives was listed as a review for the album (such as an Allmusic review) and there was no page for it, so I took initiative. It is still young and very unfinished, so all edits would be appreciated. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progarchives - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progarchives  |
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: August 12 2010 at 15:10
| I remember there was a page for PA a few years back but the editors of Wikipedia deleted it ("vanity article" or something like that). |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: August 12 2010 at 15:13
| that would be unfortunate. as long as i cite my sources i hope itll be ok! |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 12 2010 at 15:57
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Hopefully it lasts! I think people have tried before and it got deleted fairly quickly, due to Wiki's elitism  |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: August 12 2010 at 16:20
| I took a look at Wikipedia's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_online_databases - list of online databases . Apparently Adult Film Database, Amiga Games Database and Indian Railways Fan Club (!) are more essential than Progarchives. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 12 2010 at 16:42
There's an Amiga Games Database!?!??!  .... sweet   ------------- What? |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: August 12 2010 at 16:44
| I never had an Amiga. I went straight from Commodore 64 to 386. |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: August 12 2010 at 17:07
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@vompatti wow, thats odd. hopefully it lasts.
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: August 12 2010 at 17:09
I haven't got it anymore. 
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Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: August 12 2010 at 23:22
Could be that Wiki's a music critic. Maybe they got burned on a Phil Collins CD purchase? |
JJLehto wrote:Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: August 12 2010 at 23:33
| I think if you guys at least make the page worthwhile and longer than 1 paragraph it might stay up...otherwise, no chance |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: August 12 2010 at 23:55
To be fair, though, attempting to record every single adult film and actor is a much more sisyphean task than PA. I don't believe PA should have a wikipedia page, and that they let some other stupid things in doesn't change that. I still attempted to add a space to the title of the article because it annoys me, but I was unsuccessful.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 12 2010 at 23:56
This article may meet Wikipedia’s http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion - criteria for speedy deletion as an article about a web site, blog, web forum, webcomic, podcast, browser game, or similar web content that does not credibly indicate the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WEB - importance or significance of the subject. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#A7 - CSD A7 . Yup. Not just deletion but speedy deletion. PA is doomed |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: August 13 2010 at 09:52
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I'm fighting it. I'm adding little things, such as the uses for the site, the fact that its in the MAC network, etc. What i REALLY need to know is who the owners, authors or admins are, so I can out that in the info box. That way wikipedia knows that progarchives is actually owned by someone, and will shut up to some degree
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 13 2010 at 09:55
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Maxine Roy is one of the owners ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: August 13 2010 at 10:03
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The founders are Maxime Roy and Ronald Couture. Max is the owner. Her eyou can find Max: http://www.amxgraphics.com/mainsite/englishindex.htm - http://www.amxgraphics.com/mainsite/englishindex.htm http://ca.linkedin.com/in/maximeroy77 - http://ca.linkedin.com/in/maximeroy77 |
Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Date Posted: August 13 2010 at 10:04
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PA has one of the best music knowledge databases on the net It is endorsed by many of the greatest artists ever to grace this planet It aims to get the biggest interview database of any music website It is being stored in a nuclear bomb proof facility It has several thousand genuine users, including several universities and scientific research facilities |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: August 13 2010 at 10:05
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Alright, sweet, thanks. Does anyone know when the site launched?
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 13 2010 at 10:08
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2004....February I think Look at the memberlist and find the oldest members...M@X for sure ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 13 2010 at 10:10
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January 2004 ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: August 13 2010 at 10:11
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@Snowie: No, that's the forum, the site was started in 2001. I wonder why the Wikipedia editors say in the deletion notice that they delete websites when they have websites already, like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imdb - IMDB . Maybe if we get the PA page to look like IMDB's page, it will get approved. We should use the same terms, the same kind of official info, extended linking, etc. Maybe the material should be prepared first on PA and submitted only when it's completed. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 13 2010 at 10:19
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I did not know that. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: August 13 2010 at 10:54
| I'm trying that. I even put up the alexa rank.... its 22,259! |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: August 13 2010 at 10:55
^ Is that good or bad? 
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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: August 13 2010 at 10:58
| its pretty bad haha |
Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Date Posted: August 13 2010 at 11:33
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The Alexa ranking is very easy to manipulate, so that does not worry me at all. Our ranking just means that we are honest people. That's all. |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: August 13 2010 at 12:11
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^haha nice one
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: August 13 2010 at 14:23
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It's been deleted.
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: August 13 2010 at 14:26
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"Maxime Roy," not "Maxine Roy."
------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Tsevir Leirbag
Date Posted: August 13 2010 at 14:26
Maxine.... That's a girl's name. Maybe you meant Maxime Roy. ------------- Les mains, les pieds balancés Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers, Un marin mort, Il dormira - Paul Éluard |
Posted By: Tsevir Leirbag
Date Posted: August 13 2010 at 14:27
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ROB You totally ninja'd me on this one. ------------- Les mains, les pieds balancés Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers, Un marin mort, Il dormira - Paul Éluard |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: August 13 2010 at 14:29
 ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: August 13 2010 at 14:33
Cute. I think I spelt it right now. |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: August 13 2010 at 16:15
| I'll change maxine haha. and the page hasn't been deleted YET. i think itll survive! |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: August 13 2010 at 19:28
^^^^^^  I loled my ase off
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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: August 13 2010 at 19:52
it was deleted... 
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 14 2010 at 15:26
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The man has won again... Valiant fight though |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 13:47
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It's really silly. This site has thousands of artists in database, tens of thousands reviews, yet we are repeatedly banned from having a page on wiki ? How comes this much smaller forum is there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doom9" rel="nofollow - Doom9 How comes that many non important sites, forums are there, but we are not ? Look how are we repeatedly mentioned in articles (as sources) http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&redirs=1&ns0=1&search=prog+archives&limit=100&offset=0" rel="nofollow - WIKI SEARCH And we are the biggest site about Prog out there. Yes, we are not professional reviews, we usually don't moderate reviews for fact finding (that is what makes them personal), but when it comes to reviewing, we have the manpower, when ii comes to database, we have thorough and over 7 years carefully created DB. Or on a music encyclopedia related note, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encyclopaedia_Metallum" rel="nofollow - Encyclopaedia Metallum is there. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu  Even my |
Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 14:07
who is to blame, eh? 
------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Rivertree" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 14:16
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Personally, i have had some pretty positive experiences with Wikipedia On English Wikipedia, there is a page about the late prog musician Helmut Koellen, which has mostly been done by me There is also a page on English Wikipedia about the musician Dirk Steffens which is completely done by me I referenced where i could in both cases, and they have not put up any red flags, so i guess i have pleased them |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 14:19
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Oh boy, this thread is from my newbie days if memory serves me correctly. ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 16:44
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Yes, it seems like. And there are even older threads on ProgArchives. And about wikipedia, I love it. I use it every day, I read about ancient battles, different countries around the world, or physics related matters. Yet it can be sometimes so stupid. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 16:52
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Wikipedia is my go-to source for flash information. It's a great branching-off point. All those folks that say it's not trustworthy obviously haven't used it more than for ten seconds. IF it's a credible page, there'll be external links to information that can be verified. Some pages have several hundred to nearly a thousand external links or quotations - all marked fastidiously in the references section. It's a very handy tool for basic information on albums and dates.
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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 16:55
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OK, I concur, but the point being ? I am not arguing against wikipedia information. I am arguing against wikipedia deleting harmless article about our website (which is not just a forum, but most importantly - database, which differs it from other forums that has page on wikipedia). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/ProgArchives" rel="nofollow - TALK PAGE ABOUT LAST DELETION - 2006 ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 16:57
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Yeah, it seems only logical that the page be included based on the inclusion of other, less complete pages. But isn't that kinda like saying each band must be voted to be included based on its own merits as opposed to arguing that Band X is more progressive than Band Y, therefore a must for inclusion? :P The world has turned full-circle on our asses/
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Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 17:10
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Why would a web site have to be included in Wikipedia, if any search engine can get you to the source right away? ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 17:17
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I'm afraid this thread on Wikipedia doesn't cite any of its references, I say it should be deleted from the PA now. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 17:19
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That's easy. Because it's good to be there, especially when less important or less visited forums are there. I am only repeating myself here, I said everything important already. And remember, people from PA tried to establish page there two times. It was all for nothing ? + If X then Y, this example is quite complicated. And "progressiveness" is even more difficult. When I vote for Crossover bands, if to be included or rejected, ONE OF reasons if yes or if no is that I compare them to other Crossover artists, do equations in my head, feel the band if it sounds progressive. So I have an idea what Crossover is and how it sounds. I compare new band/artist to this sum of knowledge and experience and then I decide. So I am actually comparing X (new band) to Y (Crossover). ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 17:22
More for, well, encyclopedic purposes rather than advertising purposes. If someone might want to find out some information that may have taken some digging around the forum to find, Wikipedia might be useful. Not that we would document the various "incidents" of the forum (flame wars, bannings, etc) but just the basics. ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 17:30
Wish I could get some of the older teachers (and parents) I work with to understand this. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 18:04
I'm guilty of Wiki-backtracking - using the info from Wikipedia while sourcing the things they source  ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: October 22 2011 at 14:02
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I have a question for you all. I noticed that Rate Your Music has some similarities with ProgArchives. I don't visit there often, but I know that RYM has its page on wiki. How strong are these similarities ? What works on a basically same basis there ? ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: October 22 2011 at 14:13
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Ive used wikipedia in my search for jazz albums and information before since this place is no help JMA works, but it is still too new. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm 
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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: October 22 2011 at 14:37
I think RYM has a page because it has a much larger userbase and is a much older page; i.e. it was written before much of Wiki's regulations were put in place. Sometime soon I think I'll rewrite that article though... ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">
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