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Topic: Gilmour vs. FrippPosted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Subject: Gilmour vs. Fripp
Date Posted: May 29 2010 at 19:07
I previously made a poll to see who prefers David Gilmour or Jimmy Page. A few people made a good point in saying that there would be a DG bias since he is prog and Page is not. So this time, I am asking your opinion for two prog guitarists. Hopefully this one is a little closer.
Also, at least attempt to keep this a calm poll. There were several cellars full of whine in the other one.
Replies: Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: May 29 2010 at 19:08
I prefer Gilmour, I don't connect with Fripp as well, but he is equally awesome.
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: May 29 2010 at 19:10
I like the one whose hair looked better in 1972
Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: May 29 2010 at 19:44
Fripp; simply one of the most innovative and original guitarists I've ever heard.
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Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: May 29 2010 at 19:46
mmmm...hard to choose, but Fripp.
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: May 29 2010 at 19:54
Both "geniuses" in their own guitar style, however I prefer more one guitar style to the other, and that's Gilmour's style which I prefer.
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: May 29 2010 at 20:05
I've said it once and I'll repeat it again: I like guitarists that actually take the time to play more than one guitar note every 18 seconds. Gilmour is nothing but a narcolepsy-inducing joke.
Posted By: Hox
Date Posted: May 29 2010 at 20:56
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
I've said it once and I'll repeat it again: I like guitarists that actually take the time to play more than one guitar note every 18 seconds. Gilmour is nothing but a narcolepsy-inducing joke.
Agree
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 29 2010 at 21:24
Fripp, no question. I find him to be a far more interesting guitarist.
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Posted By: Zebedee
Date Posted: May 29 2010 at 21:41
Fripp for being one of the most innovative guitarists.
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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: May 29 2010 at 21:55
^^Your sig made me flick my screen.
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: May 29 2010 at 21:58
Fripp.
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Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: May 29 2010 at 22:06
Gilmour is good, but Fripp is my all-time favorite guitarist. The moment I see his name, my immediate reaction is to vote for him.
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 29 2010 at 22:20
Even when I'm going to loose, I don't like Fripp's music, don't consider him a genius and don't like him as a person.
So my vote goes for Dave Gilmour.
Iván
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: May 29 2010 at 22:29
Tough poll. As far as using guitar as a compositional device goes, Fripp is light years ahead. But if I have to compare their guitar playing, Gilmour has great feel, lovely tone and lovely bends. I like Fripp's guitarwork for the context in which he uses it but I could listen to almost any Gilmour guitar because it sounds great. Gilmour for me. I wouldn't even say Gilmour is a better guitar player than Fripp,no way, but it's just more appealing to the senses.
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: May 29 2010 at 22:46
I do understand Fripp is a better guitar player, more versatile, more intellectual, more idealistic, etc. However, in the end, I like better Gilmour's guitar playing. This time he will certainly loose, anyway, but I vote for him.
Posted By: Eli
Date Posted: May 29 2010 at 23:41
It is not right comparing the two.Both were pioneers, were part of legedary band and have world wide recognition. Both had signature guitar sound that you know it is them when you hear the first note. Both were ground breaking musically. Even though, I voted for Fripp b/c he is a little better...
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Posted By: EatThatPhonebook
Date Posted: May 30 2010 at 00:57
I guess I prefer Gilmour, but Fripp is also one of my favorite musicians.
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Posted By: Synchestra
Date Posted: May 30 2010 at 05:14
UndercoverBoy wrote:
Gilmour is good, but Fripp is my all-time favorite guitarist. The moment I see his name, my immediate reaction is to vote for him.
Are you sure you're not just saying that because.. Hes watching you?
I'm not sure of my vote... Both are good. Gilmours solos are engaging, while Fripps arguably invented prog, and by all means at least made a massive contribution
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Posted By: Malve87
Date Posted: May 30 2010 at 05:48
Gilmour no doubt about it
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Posted By: Ronnie Pilgrim
Date Posted: May 30 2010 at 07:16
I'm Pink of Sick Floyd. The Atom Heart Piper is full of Secrets, and I Wish You wouldn't Meddle in the Dark Side of the Wall because, at the Final Bell, we will all be Obscured by Animals, or More than our Momentary Ummagumma can satisfy.
I'll vote Fripp
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: May 30 2010 at 09:16
Gilmour again. This is a matter of personal preference.
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Posted By: The Monodrone
Date Posted: May 30 2010 at 09:59
I must say Fripp; completely revolutionary guitarist. I believe that whoever votes Gilmour, he will hunt down.
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Posted By: Okocha
Date Posted: May 30 2010 at 17:06
Fripp
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: May 30 2010 at 17:31
Gilmour by miles. His guitar weeps emotion and melody.
Fripp's guitar playing is mediocre in the extreme.
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Posted By: CinemaZebra
Date Posted: May 30 2010 at 17:39
Fripp, damn easily.
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Posted By: Takeshi Kovacs
Date Posted: May 30 2010 at 17:42
Gilmour - one of my favourites!
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Posted By: rpe9p
Date Posted: May 30 2010 at 20:43
I think fripp is a good guitarist because of the things he does. I think gilmour is a great guitarist because of the things he makes me feel.
Posted By: Progist
Date Posted: May 31 2010 at 09:40
rpe9p wrote:
I think fripp is a good guitarist because of the things he does. I think gilmour is a great guitarist because of the things he makes me feel.
Agree! That's it for me too, I like them both
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: May 31 2010 at 10:07
Fripp.
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: May 31 2010 at 17:02
Gilmour is basically a glorified blues soloist with a nice touch & very good engineering behind him.
Fripp is a genius, on a level with Django Reinhardt and Andres Segovia in previous generations.
Fripp.
Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: June 01 2010 at 02:48
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
I've said it once and I'll repeat it again: I like guitarists that actually take the time to play more than one guitar note every 18 seconds. Gilmour is nothing but a narcolepsy-inducing joke.
tosh.
Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: June 01 2010 at 02:50
Gilmour for me. It's all a matter of taste. Clearly both are very influential but I much prefer Gilmour. He's one of my very favourite guitarists, great melody, tone and emotion. He easily gets my vote.
Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: June 01 2010 at 04:07
Gilmour for me, since Fripp is sometimes boring.
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Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: June 01 2010 at 06:42
Roj M30 wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
I've said it once and I'll repeat it again: I like guitarists that actually take the time to play more than one guitar note every 18 seconds. Gilmour is nothing but a narcolepsy-inducing joke.
tosh.
Tosh indeed! It's not about the number of notes played and how fast those notes are played. It's about what the notes do for the listener and how they fit into the song. There are many technically gifted guitarists who think playing a lot of notes very quickly is "great" guitar playing, not necessarily.
Personally, I think Gilmour does more with the notes he plays than most guitar players. When you realize how he massages every note he plays to increase the emotion., you realize it is great guitar playing. That said, Fripp is a "GREAT" guitar player too. He is very, very technical, but he also understands that the notes played have to fit the song. For me this is a tough pick, but I take Gilmour by just a little bit. Personal preference.
Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: June 01 2010 at 13:08
I like Gilmour....but I mean....it's Robert Fripp.,,,he crushes all that stand before him.
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: June 01 2010 at 13:19
yanch wrote:
Roj M30 wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
I've said it once and I'll repeat it again: I like guitarists that actually take the time to play more than one guitar note every 18 seconds. Gilmour is nothing but a narcolepsy-inducing joke.
tosh.
Tosh indeed! It's not about the number of notes played and how fast those notes are played. It's about what the notes do for the listener and how they fit into the song. There are many technically gifted guitarists who think playing a lot of notes very quickly is "great" guitar playing, not necessarily.
Personally, I think Gilmour does more with the notes he plays than most guitar players. When you realize how he massages every note he plays to increase the emotion., you realize it is great guitar playing.
Here we go again with this "emotion" drivel. Just another excuse for people who like corny stringbending as opposed to actual playing.
Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: June 01 2010 at 16:55
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
yanch wrote:
Roj M30 wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
I've said it once and I'll repeat it again: I like guitarists that actually take the time to play more than one guitar note every 18 seconds. Gilmour is nothing but a narcolepsy-inducing joke.
tosh.
Tosh indeed! It's not about the number of notes played and how fast those notes are played. It's about what the notes do for the listener and how they fit into the song. There are many technically gifted guitarists who think playing a lot of notes very quickly is "great" guitar playing, not necessarily.
Personally, I think Gilmour does more with the notes he plays than most guitar players. When you realize how he massages every note he plays to increase the emotion., you realize it is great guitar playing.
Here we go again with this "emotion" drivel. Just another excuse for people who like corny stringbending as opposed to actual playing.
Nothing corny or drivelly about it. Music IS emotional! String bending is an art and a technical aspect of playing and Gilmour is a master of it. Both of these gentleman are master players, their playing styles are very different, their writing styles are very different, but I find Gilmour's playing more enjoyable.
That said, I also appreciate and listen to the playing of MANY other guitar players and all of them play with and bring EMOTION to their playing!
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: June 01 2010 at 18:36
The-time-is-now wrote:
Gilmour for me, since Fripp is sometimes boring.
Think you've got that backwards bud
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: June 01 2010 at 18:41
yanch wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
yanch wrote:
Roj M30 wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
I've said it once and I'll repeat it again: I like guitarists that actually take the time to play more than one guitar note every 18 seconds. Gilmour is nothing but a narcolepsy-inducing joke.
tosh.
Tosh indeed! It's not about the number of notes played and how fast those notes are played. It's about what the notes do for the listener and how they fit into the song. There are many technically gifted guitarists who think playing a lot of notes very quickly is "great" guitar playing, not necessarily.
Personally, I think Gilmour does more with the notes he plays than most guitar players. When you realize how he massages every note he plays to increase the emotion., you realize it is great guitar playing.
Here we go again with this "emotion" drivel. Just another excuse for people who like corny stringbending as opposed to actual playing.
Nothing corny or drivelly about it. Music IS emotional! String bending is an art and a technical aspect of playing and Gilmour is a master of it. Both of these gentleman are master players, their playing styles are very different, their writing styles are very different, but I find Gilmour's playing more enjoyable.
That said, I also appreciate and listen to the playing of MANY other guitar players and all of them play with and bring EMOTION to their playing!
I'm partial to the views espoused by Brian Eno and David Byrne. In their estimation, music is not an expression of emotion but, rather, a generator. When a sap like Gilmour showboats the same tried-and-true pony trick, all I can do is roll my eyes at that sorry attempt at crowd pleasing.
Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: June 01 2010 at 19:39
Captain Clutch wrote:
The-time-is-now wrote:
Gilmour for me, since Fripp is sometimes boring.
Think you've got that backwards bud
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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: June 01 2010 at 19:50
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
yanch wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
yanch wrote:
Roj M30 wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
I've said it once and I'll repeat it again: I like guitarists that actually take the time to play more than one guitar note every 18 seconds. Gilmour is nothing but a narcolepsy-inducing joke.
tosh.
Tosh indeed! It's not about the number of notes played and how fast those notes are played. It's about what the notes do for the listener and how they fit into the song. There are many technically gifted guitarists who think playing a lot of notes very quickly is "great" guitar playing, not necessarily.
Personally, I think Gilmour does more with the notes he plays than most guitar players. When you realize how he massages every note he plays to increase the emotion., you realize it is great guitar playing.
Here we go again with this "emotion" drivel. Just another excuse for people who like corny stringbending as opposed to actual playing.
Nothing corny or drivelly about it. Music IS emotional! String bending is an art and a technical aspect of playing and Gilmour is a master of it. Both of these gentleman are master players, their playing styles are very different, their writing styles are very different, but I find Gilmour's playing more enjoyable.
That said, I also appreciate and listen to the playing of MANY other guitar players and all of them play with and bring EMOTION to their playing!
I'm partial to the views espoused by Brian Eno and David Byrne. In their estimation, music is not an expression of emotion but, rather, a generator. When a sap like Gilmour showboats the same tried-and-true pony trick, all I can do is roll my eyes at that sorry attempt at crowd pleasing.
Must not be a sorry attempt if it works.
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: June 01 2010 at 19:58
DT-PT wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
yanch wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
yanch wrote:
Roj M30 wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
I've said it once and I'll repeat it again: I like guitarists that actually take the time to play more than one guitar note every 18 seconds. Gilmour is nothing but a narcolepsy-inducing joke.
tosh.
Tosh indeed! It's not about the number of notes played and how fast those notes are played. It's about what the notes do for the listener and how they fit into the song. There are many technically gifted guitarists who think playing a lot of notes very quickly is "great" guitar playing, not necessarily.
Personally, I think Gilmour does more with the notes he plays than most guitar players. When you realize how he massages every note he plays to increase the emotion., you realize it is great guitar playing.
Here we go again with this "emotion" drivel. Just another excuse for people who like corny stringbending as opposed to actual playing.
Nothing corny or drivelly about it. Music IS emotional! String bending is an art and a technical aspect of playing and Gilmour is a master of it. Both of these gentleman are master players, their playing styles are very different, their writing styles are very different, but I find Gilmour's playing more enjoyable.
That said, I also appreciate and listen to the playing of MANY other guitar players and all of them play with and bring EMOTION to their playing!
I'm partial to the views espoused by Brian Eno and David Byrne. In their estimation, music is not an expression of emotion but, rather, a generator. When a sap like Gilmour showboats the same tried-and-true pony trick, all I can do is roll my eyes at that sorry attempt at crowd pleasing.
Must not be a sorry attempt if it works.
It's about as hokey and cliche as Mariah Carey overdoing a note.
Posted By: The Monodrone
Date Posted: June 01 2010 at 20:00
^ Not comparable.
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: June 01 2010 at 20:03
It's the same idea: Repeat the same trick over and over to fool people into thinking you're oh-so deep and that you mean it.
Pure cheese, and not even the good kind.
Posted By: rpe9p
Date Posted: June 02 2010 at 00:05
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
It's the same idea: Repeat the same trick over and over to fool people into thinking you're oh-so deep and that you mean it.
Pure cheese, and not even the good kind.
So? All of these people are talking about personal preference, do you really think you are going to logic them out of liking certain music? Most people listen to music because it makes themfeel a certain way, not because it allows them to feel smug about their superior taste
Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: June 02 2010 at 05:49
Captain Clutch wrote:
The-time-is-now wrote:
Gilmour for me, since Fripp is sometimes boring.
Think you've got that backwards bud
Sorry, I don't understand that. What does 'backwards bud' mean ? (I'm from Belgium)
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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: June 02 2010 at 10:33
The-time-is-now wrote:
Captain Clutch wrote:
The-time-is-now wrote:
Gilmour for me, since Fripp is sometimes boring.
Think you've got that backwards bud
Sorry, I don't understand that. What does 'backwards bud' mean ? (I'm from Belgium)
He means he thinks you have your idea backwards.
It means in his opinion, Gilmour is boring and he chooses Fripp.
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: June 02 2010 at 10:39
rpe9p wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
It's the same idea: Repeat the same trick over and over to fool people into thinking you're oh-so deep and that you mean it.
Pure cheese, and not even the good kind.
So? All of these people are talking about personal preference, do you really think you are going to logic them out of liking certain music? Most people listen to music because it makes themfeel a certain way, not because it allows them to feel smug about their superior taste
Is it so wrong that I prefer music with something other than overdone showboating schticks? Lowest common denominator fare has zero appeal. Once you've heard Gilmour bend his string, you're going to listen to him do it every 18 seconds for the next 45 minutes. Why? Because he's relying on a stale technique that people just luv. Please, I could be listening to an album where things actually happen.
Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: June 02 2010 at 13:48
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
rpe9p wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
It's the same idea: Repeat the same trick over and over to fool people into thinking you're oh-so deep and that you mean it.
Pure cheese, and not even the good kind.
So? All of these people are talking about personal preference, do you really think you are going to logic them out of liking certain music? Most people listen to music because it makes themfeel a certain way, not because it allows them to feel smug about their superior taste
Is it so wrong that I prefer music with something other than overdone showboating schticks? Lowest common denominator fare has zero appeal. Once you've heard Gilmour bend his string, you're going to listen to him do it every 18 seconds for the next 45 minutes. Why? Because he's relying on a stale technique that people just luv. Please, I could be listening to an album where things actually happen.
I'd like to have an example of what you consider-to quote you-"an album where things actually happen."
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: June 02 2010 at 17:31
The-time-is-now wrote:
Captain Clutch wrote:
The-time-is-now wrote:
Gilmour for me, since Fripp is sometimes boring.
Think you've got that backwards bud
Sorry, I don't understand that. What does 'backwards bud' mean ? (I'm from Belgium)
"bud" is just either an affectionate term to refer to a friend as, or a way to refer to someone towards whom you are indignant
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: June 02 2010 at 22:41
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
rpe9p wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
It's the same idea: Repeat the same trick over and over to fool people into thinking you're oh-so deep and that you mean it. Pure cheese, and not even the good kind.
So? All of these people are talking about personal preference, do you really think you are going to logic them out of liking certain music? Most people listen to music because it makes themfeel a certain way, not because it allows them to feel smug about their superior taste
Is it so wrong that I prefer music with something other than overdone showboating schticks? Lowest common denominator fare has zero appeal. Once you've heard Gilmour bend his string, you're going to listen to him do it every 18 seconds for the next 45 minutes. Why? Because he's relying on a stale technique that people just luv. Please, I could be listening to an album where things actually happen.
Come on, we already understood you don't like Gilmour's guitar at all, and ofcourse there's nothing wrong with that. But there's nothing wrong with those of us who actually like his way of playing. It's just a matter of taste.
Posted By: The Monodrone
Date Posted: June 03 2010 at 16:48
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
Is it so wrong that I prefer music with something other than overdone showboating schticks? Lowest common denominator fare has zero appeal. Once you've heard Gilmour bend his string, you're going to listen to him do it every 18 seconds for the next 45 minutes. Why? Because he's relying on a stale technique that people just luv. Please, I could be listening to an album where things actually happen.
So the guitar is the only instrument capable of "making things happen?" That's quite close-minded.
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Posted By: TheLastBaron
Date Posted: June 03 2010 at 17:11
Huge fan of of both but i really appreciate and dig just how unique and innovative Fripp is, I've always found him to be very underrated in the world of guitar players.
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Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: June 03 2010 at 17:18
what a question. A choice between spacey explosion and neurotic implosion. And both genius at what they do.
I'll go with Gilmour now. Already voted for Fripp in another poll. There's got to be balance.
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: June 03 2010 at 18:38
lol I don't think Fripp is particularly underrated among guitar players.
Posted By: The Monodrone
Date Posted: June 03 2010 at 20:18
^ Those who know about him anyway. Guitar players from bands like Bullet for My Valentine and Trivium (aka 90% of bands featured in Guitar World magazine) are what the majority of today's youth are associated with... they've probably never even heard of Fripp or even King Crimson for that matter.
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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: June 03 2010 at 20:35
ptkc123 wrote:
^ Those who know about him anyway. Guitar players from bands like Bullet for My Valentine and Trivium (aka 90% of bands featured in Guitar World magazine) are what the majority of today's youth are associated with... they've probably never even heard of Fripp or even King Crimson for that matter.
I understand. I'm 15 years old and I'm caught in the middle of that. They seem to all love those guys and Kirk Hammett. Only decent guy they like is Dimebag Darrell.
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: June 04 2010 at 07:53
Fripp - more adventurous, more experimental, more intellectual, more soundscapes / Frippertronics. Fripp hates blues in KC / prog. He is extremely innovative.
Gilmour - on of the few prog rock guitar players who use the blues, quite unique. most others vary their influences from country jazz (Chet Atkins for Steve Howe for example.) Pre DSOM DG was quite the experimental guiatr player and all those epics with nary a bluesy solo on them. His bluesy style may be repetitive and yes he knows it gets to people with that Comfortably Numb mode.
They are both very different musicians who make still challenging music. For all their commercial success most of Floyd's albums are very experimental. Most of the cash is derived from Dark Side and The Wall as far as the gen. public seem to be concerned. Both albums had single smashes that lit the way...
I think as Fripp has more cerebral energy might tip the hat in his favour (for me) but DG and his first and third solo album (discounting the ones he did with under the PF flag) are evergreens.
Both release way too many live albums although KC's Nashville 2000 is deserving way more than a KC club release. The Gdansk set from DG had far too many release / expense variations and for me is the worst type of formatting for fans to fork out for... RW's live In The Flesh album is much more the decent thing as an inexpensive audio / visual release.
But Fripp is more inspired as a writer (DG is a little challenged here...although On An Isalnd to me is heavenly,) Fripp invented a new tuning, he has his Crafty League and he had his punk funk band., . Both did great session work (DG doing what he does) Fripp doing whatever will makke a greta song even gretaer (heroes.) Oddly I prefer Bowie's to KC's cKover.
So.... Fripp.
Posted By: t-bear
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 14:55
I thought polling between Frank Zappa and Robert Fripp was hard. This is like comparing apples and oranges. These two guitarists are so different that making a call as to who is better is foolhardy. If one was to choose based on emotional display, I may have to side with Gilmour, though Fripp can be extremely emotional.
Fripp is a very talented and boundary exploding guitarist. Gilmour is rooted in blues. True he used this point to push the boundary but that is the difference. Fripp has no boundaries
Put a poll of Fripp vs. Holdsworth vs Frith or Gilmour vs. Blackmore. Now there would be a poll!
Posted By: Geizao
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 15:29
Fripp took a difficult sound and heavily guitar sound that hard to play, and he played a difficult sections pretty well in In The Court Of The Crimson King (An Observation by King Crimson). So does Gilmour in Shine On You Crazy Diamond. A heavily high blues-prog sound he made pretty well!
But (damn it) I like what Dave did, just 51%.
Posted By: t-bear
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 15:49
I think that Gilmour is one of the best in the blues arena and he took it to new territory. Shine On You Crazy Diamond is one of his best. The solo on Comfortably Numb hits me in to the inner depths of my soul.
Still Fripp is the better choice, overall
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 20:37
As Fripp eschews the blues as a form and Gilmour is rooted in the blues and they are both highly significant in the world of Art Rock then perhaps the poll is a very good idea. The point of a poll (an honest one like you get here on P.A.) is to enable thought and consideration.
So Gilmour went from being quite the experimental accompaniest in PF's 68 -72 era to building his blues based space rock soloing thereafter Fripp began in the stratosfears (sic) and shifted universe several times. It is superficially Apples and Oranges but as the two guitarists occupy areas of music with little overlap in territory (unusual in prog rock) the the poll highlights the breadth and depth. And that's just footling around ith Floyd and Crim (and all related) albums.
Of course one comparison that might be closer is Belew guitar vocals vs Gilmour Guitar vocals and Fripp as demon driver master mind of KC and Waters as demagogic PF inspiration.
Posted By: t-bear
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 21:29
Good points brought up but I think the comparison is one that really needs no poll. As noted, there is little overlap in their respective areas. It is more of a question of preference. Since I like both, it becomes even more problematic. But, Fripp and Gilmour are fantasitc. I just lean more toward Fripp.
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 22:30
Gilmour's almost getting even with Fripp (60 votes Gilmour, 61 Fripp at the moment I'm writing). Given the way this poll started and being this a Prog site, I didn't expect Gilmour to get so close.
Posted By: Mr. Maestro
Date Posted: June 08 2010 at 18:33
Wow. 62 to 62. 50% percent each. Hate to ruin it, but I've gotta give my vote to Gilmour. He's just as innovative as Fripp, but he's also more creative and musically adept.
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Posted By: trackstoni
Date Posted: June 08 2010 at 22:44
Can't Cast My Vote on this One , Sorry , but there's no need to compete Two of the best Guitar Players in 42 years . But if the Question of the Poll is < who i prefer more ?> I Prefer not to Answer !
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: June 08 2010 at 22:54
Mr. Maestro wrote:
Wow. 62 to 62. 50% percent each. Hate to ruin it, but I've gotta give my vote to Gilmour. He's just as innovative as Fripp, but he's also more creative and musically adept.
I fail to see how slowwwwwwly pecking at the blues scale is more creative or musically adept than, say, jazz-metal, classical guitar, interlocking pieces or Frippertronics.
Posted By: CyberDiablo
Date Posted: June 09 2010 at 10:45
Wow! It's a draw, 64 to 64! I couldn't decide.
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: June 09 2010 at 11:06
It's not question of skill. Gilmour gives me more emotions.
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Posted By: elder08
Date Posted: June 09 2010 at 11:15
Gilmour I mean Fripp is an amazing man and musician but Gilmour manages to do a lot with a little like that one guy said earlier he might only play one note every 18 minutes but its how it makes you feel not how fast he is going
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: June 09 2010 at 11:18
This crap about "feeling" is absurd.
Posted By: Malve87
Date Posted: June 09 2010 at 11:20
What's absurd actually it's your will to change other people's taste.
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: June 09 2010 at 11:26
*plays a note*
wait
wait
wait
wait a bit more
*plays another note, bending the string this time*
EMOTION!
Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: June 09 2010 at 12:04
I think people are going overboard by discrediting feel as I think its very important.. But I agree that Gilmour is boring with his hitting one note every twenty seconds. Zappa plays with a lot of feel, but he still plays unique and interesting things. Gilmour plays some pretty generic rock licks a lot of the time and doesn't do much for me. That being said, I can still enjoy early Pink Floyd a lot.
Forgot about Fripp..... I think Fripp absolutely dominates David Gilmour. Fripp is a true innovator and is more unique and skilled than anyone I can think of.
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: June 09 2010 at 12:06
I agree Gilmour's music and playing is highly emotional, but also I can't really think of a more emotional in prog (guitar playing included) than in Starless.
Posted By: The Monodrone
Date Posted: June 09 2010 at 15:12
^ Starless is a great counter-song for the emotional debate. Perhaps Fripp's most "emotional" playing ever.
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Posted By: enigma
Date Posted: June 09 2010 at 15:21
Fripp can certainly play and is very subtle, not in your face with solos. I think that subtlety comes because he is too busy trying to push the boundaries that his playing becomes less obvious.
Gilmour has an effortless quality - he is happiest in his comfort zone, less of an innovator but a master in his field.
Hemispheres - the battle of Heart and Mind.
Heart wins it, Gilmour gets my vote.
I would like to see how Jeff Beck would come out in this poll as I think he is a mixture of the 2. Innovator and experimental with great feel.
Edit : Fripp could probably play like Gilmour if he wanted to, moreso than Gilmour could play like Fripp. So Fripp is probably the better guitarist, but my vote went on what they actually choose to play.
Posted By: enigma
Date Posted: June 09 2010 at 15:23
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
This crap about "feeling" is absurd.
This crap about music not being able to stir the emotions is absurd.
Posted By: Alberto Muńoz
Date Posted: June 10 2010 at 13:44
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
*plays a note*
wait
wait
wait
wait a bit more
*plays another note, bending the string this time*
EMOTION!
Plays a bunch of different note 1450 times in a second.
And then plays another 1450 notes times in a second.
And so no for the next couples of minutes or seconds.
EMOTION!
I trule say to you that you must hear Cannibal Corpse, sure there's action in that field.
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: June 10 2010 at 13:56
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
*plays a note*
wait
wait
wait
wait a bit more
*plays another note, bending the string this time*
EMOTION!
Can I remind you that pauses are part of music as well as notes?
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Posted By: Malve87
Date Posted: June 10 2010 at 14:52
NOW THIS IS QUITE COLD ...NO EMOTIONS HERE..YEP.
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Posted By: CyberDiablo
Date Posted: June 10 2010 at 15:56
Gotta admit that the both are extremely talented god-like guitar virtuosi. Comparing Gilmore with Fripp in prog is like comparing B.B. King with Eric Clapton in blues.
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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: June 10 2010 at 16:00
Wow! It started out with Fripp demolishing Gilmour, now look how close it is...
Posted By: trackstoni
Date Posted: June 10 2010 at 16:28
I'm Quiet Sure That one of these talented Artists is gonna win this poll now , but my mind is , with Fripp , and my heart is with Gilmour ! So can you imagine !!
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Posted By: enigma
Date Posted: June 10 2010 at 16:40
Malve87 wrote:
NOW THIS IS QUITE COLD ...NO EMOTIONS HERE..YEP.
I was at one of those Earls Court shows, I made sure my emotions remained completely untouched
Posted By: Malve87
Date Posted: June 10 2010 at 17:53
enigma wrote:
Malve87 wrote:
NOW THIS IS QUITE COLD ...NO EMOTIONS HERE..YEP.
I was at one of those Earls Court shows, I made sure my emotions remained completely untouched
Wish that I had been there too ...but, way way too much young at the time!
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: June 11 2010 at 02:23
I was at 3 other concerts of the same tour
About "EMOTIONS" I suggest reading a book written by a former producer now neuro-scientist:
Daniel J. Levitin - Addicted to Music.
I found it (the italian translation) as attachment to a scientific maagazine, so I don't have idea of who's the editor and which is the price.
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Posted By: Ronnie Pilgrim
Date Posted: October 18 2010 at 22:17
This was a great poll and I hated to see it die a premature death. Maybe some of the noobs and others on hiatus weren't aware of it. Some members whose opinions I most respect didn't even post. Any more room for discussion?
Posted By: Billy Pilgrim
Date Posted: October 19 2010 at 03:56
No no, Fripp is easily the most skilled guitarist. Though Gilmour does write some very enjoyable leads, he is not on Fripps level.
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: October 19 2010 at 04:03
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: October 19 2010 at 06:47
If not mentioned before, interesting to see both have recorded with Orb - Fripp several years before DG. Also interesting to see who else these two guitarists have guested as band members, RF for instance with Stranglers, DG with Pete Townshend and Paul McCartney.... etc.
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Posted By: phrophus
Date Posted: October 19 2010 at 08:35
I'm apparently a little late in the debate, but I'll throw my opinion in anyway. It's definitely Fripp for me mainly due to his compositional skills and that he is always trying to move forward with music, you might call it progressive. I'm also a huge Pink Floyd fan but have never been that into Gilmour's soloing because it's always basically been blues soloing with some added flavors/colors. Not to say that I don't enjoy listening to his solos in the context of the songs, but none of them have ever completely blown my mind or anything.
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 19 2010 at 08:40
Gilmour took an axe and buried it into Robbie's head.
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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: October 19 2010 at 09:14
Ronnie Pilgrim wrote:
This was a great poll and I hated to see it die a premature death. Maybe some of the noobs and others on hiatus weren't aware of it. Some members whose opinions I most respect didn't even post. Any more room for discussion?
Yeah, this turned out to be a lot more interesting then I thought it would be. Lets see what more people will bring to the table...
Posted By: Follix
Date Posted: October 19 2010 at 12:47
It might be a tie on electric. But imo Gilmour is better on Acoustic (Welcome to the Machine, Wish You Were Here, Dogs) Also better on slide/ lap steel guitar (One of theses days, Shine On later part, High Hopes)
So Gilmour for me.
Posted By: Jazzywoman
Date Posted: October 19 2010 at 15:28
Theres something about Fripp and his music that really makes me appreciate it. Gilmour is great, but hes too blusy for my tastes...lol
Posted By: Deleuze
Date Posted: October 19 2010 at 16:47
Malve87 wrote:
Gilmour no doubt about it
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Posted By: genbanks
Date Posted: October 19 2010 at 16:55
GILMOUR without doubts !!!
Posted By: Lozlan
Date Posted: October 19 2010 at 17:52
I love them both, but Gilmour owns my soul. My favorite guitar player, bar none.
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