Best side-long epic
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Topic: Best side-long epic
Posted By: Paravion
Subject: Best side-long epic
Date Posted: May 01 2010 at 07:42
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.. from the classic era (69-75) * exeption: foxtrot's side two begins with hackett's short (less than two minutes) and anonymous guitar piece 'horizons'. It would be a shame to exclude supper's ready based on that reason. Supper's ready is prog at its proggiest, and more than twenty minutes long. ** just think of the side that you like the best. *** another exeption: Side one of in praise of learning begins with the less anonymous piece 'war'. LitHotB is seventeen minutes long, perhaps not even canterbury, but one of the best tunes ever and thus a worthy competitor. - And I couldn't think of fifth canterbury side-long epic (I would like not to list one band twice, thus no more soft machine (ie. the rest of third, and the two sides of volume two)) There may be other exeptions of the sort * & *** that I was not aware of while making the list - please do inform me. The categories are: 1-5 - "popular british prog" 6-10 - prog-folk 11-15 - canterbury 16-20 - kraut The idea is that you just choose one. If you wish you can write down your thoughts: Here is what I think: I like most of the tracks in the first category, exept tarkus. I just don't listen to them much anymore. I go with plague of lighthouse keepers. (I considered including pink floyd's echoes or atom heart mother, but for me, pf will never be prog as such) In the second category, it's amaryllis - without a doubt. Folk, generally, is not suited for side-long epics. Pentangle are good, very good, but jack orion is too long - and what's with the electric guitar, bert? Song of sheherazade is just horrible (symphonic grandeur folk? - what's with that?). Fantasia lindum is not amazing blondel's best lp (that's evensong - by far). Amaryllis (the track, not the lp) is a stylish and perfect combination of prog and folk elements. Pentangle and amazing blondel are more straight folk (pentangle tend to go jazz sometimes though...) than prog or prog-folk. Jehtro tull are respectlessly awful at combining elements of rock, blues, prog and folk - they have made some okay tunes, but as a whole... don't like! Canterbury is probably my favorite subgenre. Nine feet underground is very representantive of the genre and one hell of a tune. Long piece no.3 is quite boring. I adore mumps and out-bloody-rageous, but not as much as nine feet underground. Living in the heart of the beast is probably my all-time favourite song - though not very representative. Nine feet undergroud it is. Autobahn is of great historical importance. But ash ra tempel and kluster are more 'stoned' and 'out there' and thus for me much more interesting. Klopfzeichen part one, with the haunting german religious/politicial voice over, is almost a religious experience - and the sounds moebius and roedelius make are quite remarkable for its time. Headphones, open skies and pot are required. Amboss (combined with traummaschine of side two) is also one hell of a trip!! So is phallus dei! Phaedra is just boring. Hard to choose, but klopfzeichen it is. Just pick one I said. Okay, that's amaryllis then - for now. Tarkus is by far the worst - a very painful experience for my ears and brain. |
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Posted By: bsms810
Date Posted: May 01 2010 at 07:54
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why break a habit.... Suppers ready ------------- 'when was the last time you had a girlfriend?' 'I dont look at it as when, I look at it as who...and why' - David Brent |
Posted By: otto pankrock
Date Posted: May 01 2010 at 08:37
| Lizard...today. |
Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: May 01 2010 at 08:51
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1st vote for TAAB, with Lizard and Lighthouse Keepers not far behind. ------------- Continue the prog discussion here: http://zombyprog.proboards.com/index.cgi ... |
Posted By: Johnnytuba
Date Posted: May 01 2010 at 09:08
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I love Close to the Edge, but Plague of Lighthouse keepers has more to offer. ------------- "The things that we're concealing, will never let us grow. Time will do its healing, you've got to let it go. |
Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: May 01 2010 at 09:21
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Plague this time |
Posted By: Silverbeard McStarr
Date Posted: May 01 2010 at 09:38
| Phaedra looked so lonely down there. |
Posted By: friso
Date Posted: May 01 2010 at 10:10
| From this list VdGG. If Soft Machine's Moon in June would have been included it would have been a close one. |
Posted By: friso
Date Posted: May 01 2010 at 10:12
| By the way, why not include Jan Dukes' Sun Symphonic in your list of prog folk? It's better then the albums mentioned. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: May 01 2010 at 10:30
I give my vote to another Prog Folk track: Jack Orion, because it will be underrated in this list. ------------- 
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kingfriso wrote:Posted By: seventhsojourn
Date Posted: May 01 2010 at 10:37
| Out in the garden, the moon seems very bright. |
Posted By: idiotPrayer
Date Posted: May 01 2010 at 10:45
| very easy - any track from zeit, their best album and quite possibly one of the best 70s albums (besides all pf albums, black sabbath and neu! - s/t). echoes as the 2nd |
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: May 01 2010 at 12:13
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I was torn between Amboss and Mumps, went with Mumps today.
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Posted By: Paravion
Date Posted: May 01 2010 at 12:56
I don't know it. I'll look into it someday. The title is a bit off-putting, I must admit - what is it? But you're right - I've not mentioned the best albums. As far as progressive/psychedelic/acid folk goes, here's a quick top ten.
clive's original band - spirit of love (1971)
simon finn - pass the distance (1970)
comus - first utterance (1971)
trader horne - morning way (1970)
isb - hangman's beautiful daughter (1968)
bread love and dreams - amaryllis (1971)
panama limited jug band - s/t (1969)
famous jug band - sunshine possibilities (1969)
dr. strangely strange - kip of the serenes (1969)
forest - s/t (1969)
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: May 01 2010 at 13:29
 Isn't strange when one single sentence can discredit the author of a thread despite anotherwise excellent idea......
 Such comments (even if you think it), would best be kept to yourself.... FLOYD is prog, whether you like it or not
 and no matter how restrictive you are (and your list indicates you're not too restrictive ) ..... but if you don't believe me, check our database I went for Caravan's 9th Ft, but I would have chosern Echoes over it. (yes, even over TAAB)
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: May 01 2010 at 13:37
That seems a little extreme. Just because you don't agree with his opinion, there's no reason to browbeat him over it and suggest that he shouldn't express it. I myself don't think of Pink Floyd as prog in the same way that Genesis and Yes are (although they are undeniably progressive.) This is a discussion forum and telling another member that they had best keep their opinions to themselves is unhelpful to any discussion. p.s. I am in a Krautrocky mood, so I will vote for Amboss, especially since there is no Rush option. ------------- 
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Posted By: Paravion
Date Posted: May 01 2010 at 13:46
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Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: May 01 2010 at 14:03
| Renaissance for me, followed by Tarkus |
Posted By: idiotPrayer
Date Posted: May 01 2010 at 14:08
floyd may not be techincally challening (not in hard to play stuff but more in layering and composition) music or pretentious stuff but they remain as one of the most ambituous, fresh, creative and experimental bands of all time. after all that's what makes a prog band, not overlong "look-what-i-can-do" sections. |
Posted By: Nipsey88
Date Posted: May 01 2010 at 14:46
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Well, I gotta say my favorite side long tunes from that era aren't on the list...Echoes and Gates of Delirium. From this list, however, I went with Supper's...with Nine Feet and TAAB close behind. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Nipsey88/?chartstyle=myspace02" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: May 01 2010 at 16:13
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Mumps was my first prog rock epic. That Dave Stewart keyboard sound is so nostalgic to me, I can cry. ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: May 01 2010 at 16:51
| and YOUR WISE MEN DON'T KNOW HOW IT FEEeeEEEEeeEEEeeEEELS |
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: May 02 2010 at 13:12
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A lot of good ones! My vote went to Song of Scheherezade. I just love the way it builds up in several places and its use of dynamics. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: May 02 2010 at 13:27
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Suppers Ready.
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: May 02 2010 at 14:17
| Close To The Edge was my first side-long experience, and still my favorite. It's organic and lush - flows the best out of any of the classic side longs, IMO. That's what's important to me. I love Supper's Ready, but can't love it as much as CTTE just because it feels like 5 different songs. |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: May 02 2010 at 14:37
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It's always Supper's Ready for me in these polls. It has never sounded like seperate songs to me and (At least to me) it isn't! ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: May 02 2010 at 15:40
Well there you go..... at least you see them as such. I don't think I'm bullying Paravion around too much (he didn't seem to take it as such in the post following yours either). I used friendly emoticons to get my point across. I did say that outside that useless remark, his choice was rather good.
What does bug me is this constant bickering about Floyd being not prog... it's a recurring thing on this forum >>> wuithout Floyd, most of the 70's groups wouldn't have happened. This debate has been flogged to death and Floyd detractors systematically proven wrong.
Generaly those who post such comments have a very narrow definition of "prog" (as inretro-sympho- neo-prog), and I could argue that 90's neo-prog has nothing prog either.
I'll go check the second part of the sidelong epics that's posted
------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: The Wrinkler
Date Posted: May 02 2010 at 18:27
I'm a sucker for Supper 
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Posted By: hobocamp
Date Posted: May 02 2010 at 20:38
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None of the above. A Passion Play - SIde One
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Posted By: CinemaZebra
Date Posted: May 02 2010 at 20:48
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Only seven for Thick as a Brick? That ain't right.
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Posted By: Ronnie Pilgrim
Date Posted: May 02 2010 at 21:00
I agree by slightly over Close to the Edge. But Supper's Ready will always win polls like these, even though I find it musically less interesting than both (although lyrically equal to them). It's no wonder to me that Genesis transitioned so easily to a Top 40 pop band when I listen to that music. And I like Supper's Ready.
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Posted By: Ronnie Pilgrim
Date Posted: May 02 2010 at 21:06
Indeed! I'm going to assist you, Chick Filet. I voted Tull.
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Posted By: Tarquin Underspoon
Date Posted: May 02 2010 at 23:46
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Gosh, we here at PA sure do enjoy subjecting ourselves to the same poll in a slightly altered form about once a week!
(Yeah, I'm guilty of it too, chill out
 )I'm in a bit of an odd mood this evening. I'll pick A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers ------------- "WAAAAAAOOOOOUGH! WAAAAAAAUUUUGGHHHH!! WAAAAAOOOO!!!" -The Great Gig in the Sky |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: May 03 2010 at 08:25
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Really don't mind if you sit this one out ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 03 2010 at 12:09
I don't take the view that that remark discredits the author, nor do I think that Pink Floys IS Prog, though I would say that Pink Floyd made Prog and progressive rock. I really don't like in terms of bands/ artists being Prog in and of themselves, I think in terms of the band's music. Not only do I not think Floyd to be the Prog genre in and of itself, but much of the band's music is not what I would call particularly Prog (the major traits that I associate with the "genre" and movement). I consider the "Atom Heart Mother" suite to be a good example of Prog. Just as Prog can have different definitions, bands can be pigeon-holed in different ways. I wouldn't say that Genesis is Prog either, though I would say that the band made Prog albums. I, too, don't see why he should be expected to keep his opinion to himself. You, also, can express your opinion, on whether you think Pink Floyd prog as such. As for the emoticon use, I don't see those as particularly friendly emoticons on the whole, nor do I think that they make your post look more friendly. Emoticon-use is open to interpretation. I use them as a form of shorthand sometimes (mostly to let people know that I'm not being that serious with Mr. Winky), but I really don't like emoticons, and if I had my way, they would be removed from the site. For instance, the tongue sticking-out emoticon indicates sarcasm to me, and I don't find sarcasm friendly. Some add emoticons merely to make comments look softer (strictly for appearance) in a disingenuous way. If you were really going for friendly, then instead of talking about the author of the thread in a disparaging way to start the post (didn't find those emoticons made it friendlier either), you could have addressed it specifically to Paravion by name and started with some positive comments before expressing your concern. As you mentioned, he's already addressed your post, and I don't think it's a big deal, and apparently neither does he. Personal note: A lot of the progressive rock (or rock-related music) I listen to I don't think of as Prog-proper, and I would rather use other terms to describe the music. I don't consider myself to be a Prog fan, and I do not consider Dark Side of the Moon to be as Prog as Tarkus (doesn't matter that I don't like Tarkus but that is far more quintessentially Prog by genre to me). As for whether or not most of the 70's groups would not have existed without Floyd, I doubt that, but can't say for sure as I've never researched it, but even if it that were true, it would not necessarily make the band itself Prog (nor even the music -- depends what Prog means. Some treat it as a specific genre or as a specific movement). Prog doesn't just mean progressive rock to me (of course quite a bit of Prog is not progressive anyway). As for my choice -- hard. I'm tempted to go with "Out-bloody-rageous" but there are many I like, and some that I haven't listened to in years so no vote unless I revisit more of them. |
Posted By: Paravion
Date Posted: May 03 2010 at 16:16
I didn't consider Sean Trane's post unfriendly - on the contrary (may be because of the exaggerated use of emoticons   ) . Really, I have no problem being accused of classifying pink floyd wrong. In know and accept that many people categorize them as prog - I do as well (in some ways and to some extend). I made the remark because I assumed it would result in some sort of reaction. And of course, being new and unknown I like to stress my points (the irrelevant ones) as to 'introduce' myself - if you like.
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: May 03 2010 at 20:10
| I don't think Thick as a Brick should be here, since it's a album long epic. |
Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: May 04 2010 at 14:53
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Close to the edge (of course). -------------  One of my best achievements in life was to find this picture :D |
Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 04:32
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In the absence of Echoes, I have to go for CTTE.
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: May 09 2010 at 08:32
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I wanted to vote Autobahn as it deserves a vote but could not get past plague of lighthouse keepers ------------- 
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