Worst prog band?
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Topic: Worst prog band?
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Subject: Worst prog band?
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 16:04
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I was wondering if anybody knew of a really really bad disasterous prog band. AND i mean really bad not just say that a band you dont like very much is bad. But i mean so bad its funny. Way beyond ricky martin bad... Just to give you a hint of what kind of bad i mean i suggest to listen to these samples http://www.miserablemelodies.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/miserabl/listall.cgi?arg=Rating - http://www.miserablemelodies.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/miserabl/li stall.cgi?arg=Rating I specially recommend the Portsmouth Sinfonia and all their songs...they are the worst symphony orchestra in the world and has given out two records i think |
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Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 17:03
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ASIA ------------- 
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Posted By: KeyserSoze
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 17:07
Hey NetsNJFan, I'm surprised it isn't The Mars Volta  
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Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 17:37
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omg, your right, I like Asia more. That's sad. Sorry, I am just not into loud-avant gard-weird noise music with spanish thrown in -------------
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KeyserSoze wrote:Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 17:45
| Hmm no it was not entirely what i meant i did not mean to say what prog bands you did not like. But i mean really horrid bands that are so bad that everybody could agree is bad...and still being progressive. Surely a hard genre as prog must have many flops in their time... |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 17:54
Well you're not going to get everybody to agree on anything here mate! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 17:58
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Well we can atleast agree that forexample Ricky martin is a terrible artist? I hope that are not many at this forum that disagree |
Posted By: mirco
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 18:00
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Well, the obvious one, Styx... more a joke than a prog band. ------------- Please forgive me for my crappy english! |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 18:07
| To my mind Asia's not really prog band at all... They just play pop. I don't see the progressive element. |
Posted By: nacho
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 18:11
This is just to clarify that it took me several careful listens to realise that the guy was trying to sing in Spanish. And please feel free to dissociate my sentence and apply "try" both to sing and to Spanish...
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 18:13
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There are Progressive elements surely? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 18:20
Not in the music itself. Being comprised of ex-prog musicians is not enough to qualify in my books. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 18:27
Well I meant in the music itself obviously! Its a litle prog to my way of thinking. Prog lite if you like! Asia as a band are on the fuzzy edge of prog, not near the centre. A sort of pop/prog. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 18:29
Yeah, I guess so... But a lot of the stuff I listen to and label prog would probably be just as easily contested by those who find it too damn weird. Each to their own, say I!  |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 18:32
For example? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 18:35
Henry Cow, Thinking Plague... the whole RIO scene. People sometimes say that's not proper prog. Likewise oddities like prog punk bands and general musical mavericks - The Residents, for example, I'd personally class as progressive but I doubt they'd ever make it on this site. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 18:38
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OK I see what you mean! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 18:55
I agree it is both bad singing (imo) and bad spanish (not imo) -------------
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Posted By: walrus
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 19:17
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genesis today hahaha ------------- you and whose army? |
Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 19:23
RIO is preeetttty bad. Henry Cow does absoluetly nothign for me. Univers Zero I liked after hearing one song, but then every other song after that sounded the same, same rythym and absense of melody, same instrumentation, blechh. Yea, I am not a RIO-Avant Garde fan. They shouldn't be lumped wiht Canterbury on this site, which is good music, IMO. -------------
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Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 19:33
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Not that anyone has ever heard of these guys, but I purchased a cd by Azureth this year and they were just awful. It sounds like they tried sooooo hard to sound progressive and cool and all that came out of their efforts were cheese Worse yet were their very silly lyrics. About dragons and such and it was so contrived and poor it just made me want to retch. Then they had these narratives in-between their tunes that were so corny one couldn't help roll your eyes at this tripe. I have actually given the cd away to Danbo to subject him to the torture I went through You guys should buy this to see how bad this is....on second thought, no you shouldn't. |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 20:07
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Well I saw Amon Duul II last year live...and that was about the worst live prog concert I had ever seen. ------------- THIS IS ELP 
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Posted By: raindance
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 20:25
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Van der graaft generator |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 20:28
In others words; you don't really like prog |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 20:29
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Some prog-metal, of course! What else?!! |
Posted By: alchemist
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 20:32
Are u serious? ------------- no great genius has existed without a touch of madness... |
Posted By: raindance
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 20:32
Only when it's played well & the singer is at least half decent. So sorry, Van Der Graaft Generator don't qualify |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 20:35
In other words, you don't know prog! Thanks for the "evidence", mate |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 20:43
Actually Pete Hammill's voice sort of turns me off too!!  ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: raindance
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 20:44
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Flowerchild, OK, the music's not that bad but Peter Hamill has the worst voice ever. I'd much prefer to listen to Geddy Lee & that's saying something! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 20:55
Robert Fripp once said: "Peter Hammill is the greatest singer alive. His voice is like an instrument. He's one of the few singers I find worthwhile to work with". Reconcider! Peter Hammill is above most singers and he needs rethinking and time to grow. ps I know Geddy Lee.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 20:56
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..still, he turn's me on.... |
Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 20:57
Personally, I feel no one touches Hammill's voice as far a s quality. Once again proof that there is no in between with him. You either love his voice or hate it. I love it. He is simply the Jimi Hendrix of the Voice to me. |
Posted By: raindance
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 20:59
I just been over to VDG web site & listened to some MP3's. I'm sorry but Peter Hammill's voice sounds just as bad as I remembered it
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 21:06
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..only because you wanted to... |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 21:07
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Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 21:10
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Sorry I listen to Greg Lake... and then I listen to Pete Hammill.... Pete's voice makes me want to rip people's throats out.... basically starting with him. THe music can be good... but that voice just causes violence... ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 21:11
Well, that's your problem |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 21:17
| The worst Prog band? I'd say Tool, Radiohead or The Mars Volta. |
Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 21:18
Personally...I do find his voice to be maniacal...that's why I love it. His voice brings forth all sorts of different emotions in me...mostly anger and a hankering for a bit of the ultra violence....but that is also contributed to the fact that most of VdGG's material is rather dark. |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 21:22
No thats the problem of all around me when I listen to it.... if they want to live!! ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 21:48
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Not the worst musician from any point of view, but Steve Howe's voice is a disaster, first time I listened believed it was a joke. He's among the best guitar players in history, he should not try to sing. Not even in the shower. Why do excellent musicians in their respective instruments like Howe or Hackett try to sing when they are not remotely good? Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: 46and2
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 22:02
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QUIT BASHING THE MARS VOLTA!!!! ------------- 
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Posted By: KeyserSoze
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 22:33
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Well, people hate things they don't understand. The Mars Volta rulez!
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Posted By: raindance
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 22:38
Keith Emerson's voice is bad too, not as bad as Howe's though |
Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 22:51
| Am I the only one who doesn't mind Howe's voice? |
Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 00:16
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never bothered me, in fact i think its great on the song All's a Chord (Steve Howe Album) -------------
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Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 00:22
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Steve Howe's voice never bothered me. His appearance nowadays bothers me. As much as I love his guitar work, he's one ugly ugly man. He looks worse than Keith Richards!
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 02:47
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 09:11
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I think that 'The Worst' often comes out at a time when a movemnent becomes popular almost overnight, and everyone decides to pick up a guitar overnight and have a go. This rarely happens in prog, because it isn't popular enough, but take your mind back to some of the truly awful Punk bands that formed in Britain in the late 70's...(remember The Vibrators?) no talent but could get a record deal because of the overnight appeal of the movement. The only example I can think of personally in prog, are the number of Teutonic Prog Metal bands out there, which are all highly derivitive, and add nothing to the genre... because Prog metal is popular on the continent. My personal choice for this section would be 'Angra', who I think are truly awful. ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 09:16
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You ARE Joking, right? I think you need to listen to 'The Grand Illusion' again, just to refresh your memory as to how good they were... your grey matter has clearly gone a bit fuzzy around the edges with age!! ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Mategra
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 09:23
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The worst prog band is probably something you never have heard... ...and with a little luck, you never will hear it either. |
Posted By: Azrael2112
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 10:40
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Posted By: Sir Realist
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 10:42
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I hadn't thought about Styx for awhile, thank god. ------------- I can have double standards, and you can't |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 12:14
The difference is tho that Keith only sings as a joke.. even on the Nighthawks soundtrack... ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 12:22
It's the other way round for me, I quite like his voice but it's only on very rare occasions that the music does anything to impress me. There's a little sax bit that I totally dig, and the piano chords on one of the songs are lovely too but beyond that I could take it or leave it - from the three albums I have, anyway. |
Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 12:27
supertramp!!! 
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Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 13:04
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.....well....they are quite good actually for a pop band. -------------
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Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 13:06
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never! -------------
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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 13:09
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http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6672&PN=1&TPN=2 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6672&a mp;PN=1&TPN=2 So Blacksword is really Steve Howe ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: mirco
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 13:16
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 15:49
Anybody can pick on the worst couple of tracks of a band (and indeed, you've succeeded!) in order to ridicule them, but in my person oppinion, 'Grand Illusion' and 'Pieces of Eight' were great albums, and 'Paradise Theater' was creative and grossly underrated as a concept. Anyway, I shall stand no Styx bashing in this forum!! ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 15:52
I agree Grand Illusion was quite good for an American Album and for an album of the late 70's. -------------
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 16:52
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Mirco wrote:
First time I have to disagree with you Mirco, you don't judge a band for their worst albums and songs if theyhave some that are great, so let me give you some examples: You can't disqualify Genesis because of Invisible Touch, Genesis will be remembered 30 years from know probably because of Foxtrot, Nursery Cryme and The Lamb, not because the pop albums that only Prog' fans remember (To criticize them), because mainstream listeners forget the band they worship after a few months of inactivity or if they cease to be cool. Would you evaluate ELP for Love Beach and In the Hot Seat when you have Trilogy and Brain Salad Surgery? Yes contribution to Progressive Rock and art can't be judged for Big Generator, because Close to the Edge and Relayer constitute icons of prog' rock. So it is absolutely unfair to judge more than a decade of Styx for Kilroy Was Here or Babe. As Fandango and NetsNJFan say, The Grand Illusion is a great album, not prog (except for Fooling Yourself) but still a release that had no fillers or bad tracks, maybe you don't like it but that doesn't mean it's bad. Why remember Cornerstone because of the only weak track like Babe, yes this song is crap, but Lights, with an incredible vocal work is an amazing song that deserve a place in Rock (I don't say Prog') pantheon. Please, try to be fair, Styx had very good albums like the already mentioned, Styx, Styx I, The Serpent is Raising or Cristal Ball, why always mention their worst mistakes? Iván -------------
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Posted By: Tony Fisher
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 16:52
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Pete Hamill's voice is a disaster looking for somewhere to happen. I like most prog but VDGG do NOTHING for me. Nor generally do ELP for that matter even if 2 of them are virtuoso musicians (and I don't mean Greg Lake). Ironically Barclay James Harvest may not have been the most talented group of musicians but they made some fine albums because they wrote great songs and played to their strengths. Dream Theater should take note - they are much better musicians but their composition skills let them down. I'm pleased someone remembers the Portsmouth Symphonia - one of my best friends was a violinist (a very loose description) with them. 30 years on, he is still excruciatingly bad. The only thing they agreed on was which piece to play and when to start and finish - in between it was every man (and woman) for themselves!! Such incompetence borders on genius. Radiohead seem to be adopting the same philosophy. |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 17:14
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Guess:
The cheesiest prog group with the cheesiest album covers and the cheesiest fans...
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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 17:21
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I am a big fan of Styx's early albums- 'The Grand Illusion' is one of my personal favourites, and find it pretty progressive with some great melodies and hooks. 'Suite Madame Blue' is a masterpiece of prog- a very dramatic and heavy piece with great use of harpsichord and moogs. Similarly, I love VDGG- they never did a bad album in their lifetime, and made some of the best, most challenging music out there. Personally speaking, I've never heard a band, from the 70s at any rate, that I found really, really bad. |
Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 17:28
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Some prog bands that I found boring: Cairo Mangala Valis UFO (their second album is prog but really boring IMO) Refugee (interestingly enough their only album is regarded as a classic, with a solid set of 5 star reviews in the archives) Almost anything by Rick Wakeman Almost anything by Clive Nolan/Oliver Wakeman
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Posted By: raindance
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 17:55
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80's KING CRIMSON bores me to tears. I have a good laugh to myself when I see anything post-Discipline given 5 stars! FRANK ZAPPA-I wouldn't call him prog anyway but either way I detest anything he's done! |
Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 18:01
i agree with both statements 100%. Zappa aint THAT bad tho but he aint pure prog, I just hate the way he cranked out albums, spend some god damn tiem on them and be selective in what you put out for godsakes! -------------
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Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 20:05
just listen to
i do not understanding why people find it bad??? listen to this:
this guy was selling door to door his cassettes in quebec: he represents our culture: he is our hero! did not know clint eastwood & burt reynolds were able to sing pretty well a honourable mention to actress susan lucci: EXCELLENT voice! ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 21:26
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Genesis or Yes.
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Posted By: Tommy
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 21:38
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[QUOTE
Anybody can pick on the worst couple of tracks of a band (and indeed, you've succeeded!) in order to ridicule them, but in my person oppinion, 'Grand Illusion' and 'Pieces of Eight' were great albums, and 'Paradise Theater' was creative and grossly underrated as a concept. Anyway, I shall stand no Styx bashing in this forum!! [/QUOTE] I think most prog fans can relate to at least one or two Styx albums, 'Pieces Of Eight' being my personal favourite. I think it was Dennis De Young that said 'Babe' was their biggest career mistake because it aliented their fans & forced them to change direction due to record company pressure who wanted more hit singles! |
Posted By: nousommedusolei
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 01:14
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I don't see why people are knocking Zappa, he's not prog therefore he can't be one of the "worst" prog musicians. Pick on someone else. Has anyone mentioned the Yes-copy-cats "Starcastle" yet?
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Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 02:48
I actually entered this thread today soley for the purpose of mentioning Starcastle. Probably the most deriative band ever. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 05:50
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Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 11:17
Ok, I'm sorry... I found two bands that are worse (in fact, I like Yes' Drama and Relayer a bit): PFM and Banco. Now, these 2 are the worse bands EVER. ------------- And above all, is punk
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Posted By: mirco
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 11:19
------------- Please forgive me for my crappy english! |
Posted By: Miaugion
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 11:44
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Almost anything with Clive Nolan in it, e.g. Shadowland, Casino, Arena as well as any band that tries to sound like Arena. ------------- You house proud town mouse ha ha, charade you are |
Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 11:47
exactly........they are insanely talented.............much moreso than the group FANTOMAS and their noise posing as music I hate how if someone says they are 'avant-garde' ppl think they are intellectual and deep, when in reality they are making boring noise not music. -------------
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Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 12:10
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That is what is wrong with threads like this. One man's nectar is another man's poison. I happen to like Arena and Clive Nolan very much and when I read posts like this, it puts me off a bit. Miaugion...you are entitled to like whoever and dislike wehoever you want. I am not bitching about your post as I am more bitching about this thread. No good can come from a negative thread such as this. |
Posted By: frippertronik
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 12:13
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CARVAN ASIA GTR ------------- a plague of lighthouse keepers |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 12:13
And this coming from the cheesiest member of this board.... But thanks for posting it... looking at Greg's chest always makes me all warm inside... ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 12:13
Well,quit bitchin' then!!! And stop being negative about other people being negative-that's soooo negative!
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 12:14
You've not had much cheese-if you think that I'm the cheesiest! I bet cheese makes you dream.... |
Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 12:16
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Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 12:19
I thought this thread was supposed to be about bands that were trying so hard to be progressive that they came off as cheesy...i.e...like a Spinal Tap. Instead it degenerated into blasting legitimate bands such as Arena. Now, all I see is a bunch of bickering. Tony R...you insufferable @#$!.
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Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 12:22
No, but that picture does!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: Rhayader
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 12:29
Well, they're hardly a prog band.... I still like 'em, they make pop pretty well. The worst prog band I've heard? Probably one of the many crap prog metal bands I've heard whos names I have (thankfully) forgotten. Another thing: why is everyone constantly bashing Asia? Just because they're prog musicians (well, Geoff Downes isn't really) does that mean they can't play other sorts of music? It's prog musicians making pop, and I think it's done quite well. There's nowt wrong with that is there? ------------- "Sadder still to watch you die than never to have known it..." Rush - Losing It |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 13:00
You obviously never really listened to Peter Hammill. He can sing very beautifully and often does, when his songs are about tenderness and love. But when his songs are about anger, hate or angst his voice reflects that as well. Which is why he is definitely my favorite singer, he brings the emotions across. Singers who always try to sing "beautifully" suck, in my honest opinion. |
Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 14:17
PFM is the worst piece of crap that ever existed on earth. Appena Un Po makes me laugh, it's ridiculous... If PFM is music, and Fantomas is "not-music", you can deduce that "not music" is SO MUCH better than "cheesy music". ------------- And above all, is punk
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 14:23
...whatever Fantöööööööööööööööööööööööööömass!!!! |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 14:33
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It's funny to see some prog metal fans criticizing Yes, Genesis or even the Italian Symphonic bands and then saying Prog metal is great. Without British and Italian Symphonic bands, Prog' Metal wouldn't exist or at the most would be just some more obscure metal bands unknown by most of the world. Some guys like Fantomas try to provoke reactions calling the great bands cheesy, but they don't achieve their goal because such absurd comment can't provoke anything but laugh. The band Fantomas is good (A bit too loud though), I can't deny this fact, but ithey are only an obscure subterranean group than in 2 or 3 years will be forgotten forever, while people keep talking about Yes, Genesis or PFM 30 + years. Iván -------------
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Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 14:38
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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 14:55
Unfortunately the fact that a band is remembered longer doesn't say anything about its quality, only perhaps about the marketing that has gone into promoting it. Proof? Bands like Bubu, Indian Summer, Raw Material, Khan or Catapilla who were just as talented as the Big Five but were simply out of luck. Same goes for all walks of art, IMO - how many people remember such classics of literature as William Gaddis' 'The Recognitions' or Samuel Beckett's novels? And it's obvious that a more accessible artist will almost always remain in social consciousness longer than a less accessible one, if only because it can enter this consciousness faster and on a larger scale. Of course thousands of acts light up and fail every year, but there are very interesting acts that only light up in very small circles.
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Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 15:28
I don't disagree with all that you've said, but I don't believe that many of the great prog bands who's names have carried thru the years.. are any more accessible than the ones you've mentioned. Bands like Gentle Giant, Camel, or VDGG have never been considered very accessible bands, but they're names still carry some weight. ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 15:31
You're quite right, none of these bands are easy to listen to (at least at first), although I was actually referring to Ivan's comparing Genesis and Fantomas, and obviously the former is the more accessible of the two ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 15:37
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 15:57
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Manunkind wrote:
What marketing are you talking about?
Despite the worst marketing I ever saw today there are hundreeds of web sites talking about them, and Genesis has becomed on of the main bands and influences in Progressive Rock, this means something. Genesis easy listening? Please, still after 30 years nobody fully understands, Do you believe The Musical Box, The Knife, Supper's Ready are accessible?
Are you sure, Where are all the boys/girls bands that sold millions, where are The Spice Girls who were N° 1 in Great Britain? Who buys Michael Jackson's albums once called "The King of Pop" (Except as souvenirs in the door of the court)? Fantomas is a good band but nothing else, they have a low profile and probably will never reach the heights of the dinosaurs of Prog' Rock because they don't have enough quality or a defined style. Please!!!!!!!! Iván -------------
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Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 16:26
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I'm sorry Ivan, but I'm afraid you're wrong. Between the RIO fans,
Henry Cow always will be remembered. But between a pop fan, it won't.
To a pop fan, what name comes in mind first: "Yes" or "Michael
Jackson"? MJ, right? So, that means that Michael Jackson is better than
Yes, right? To a Fantômas fan, like me, they won't never be forgotten. But if they will for over a million people, or by you, it simply doesn't matter to me. Other people opinion don't interest me at all... Why Symphonic Prog is more popular than RIO? Because it's poppy. It's acessible. Ivan, You're trying to prove something using a sh*tty argument, I'm afraid. More people would buy the new Michael Jackson album than the new Genesis one. By your way of thinking, Michael Jackson is better than Genesis. ------------- And above all, is punk
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