Print Page | Close Window

Progressive Punk Album

Printed From: Progarchives.com
Category: Progressive Music Lounges
Forum Name: Prog Polls
Forum Description: Create polls on topics related to progressive music
URL: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6659
Printed Date: February 21 2025 at 04:39
Software Version: Web Wiz Forums 11.01 - http://www.webwizforums.com


Topic: Progressive Punk Album
Posted By: Ripples
Subject: Progressive Punk Album
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 11:28
Punk can be progressive and this poll proves it!



Replies:
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 11:41

Interesting poll here, these are some really creative albums, they definitively stretched the boundaries of punk music.



Posted By: outdoor miner
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 11:56
Chairs missing gets my vote. 154 is a tad more progressive me thinks though, longer fleshier tracks. Second edition comes in at a very close second though.

On a side note, "Swan lake" off PIL's metal box should be considered symphonic prog-punk


Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 13:31
Marquee Moon is a litle progressiv i think and its a great record, its the punk album for people who dont like punk , becaus it realy does not have much with punk to do, it's more like indie rock i think 

-------------


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 15:46
Good Call, Marquee Moon is somewhat progressive in nature.  Have your heard any of the others?


Posted By: DavidInsabella
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 15:53
I don't believe that punk can be progressive.

-------------
Life seemed to him merely like a gallery of how to be.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 16:07
You have a really narrow view of the world don't you?


Posted By: outdoor miner
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 17:06
..........I bet you have never heard any of these albums, and therefore you should not judge.


Posted By: DavidInsabella
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 17:41

Snake, I have a narrow view of the world for thinking that music based on three chords and music based on finding new musical techniques don't mix?

If you two can say I'm wrong then give no reinforcment to your point, then I can judge music I've never heard. (Even though I never did)



-------------
Life seemed to him merely like a gallery of how to be.


Posted By: DavidInsabella
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 17:43
It's pretty funny that the only people here are newbies, aside from Zargus who says Marquee Moon isn't even punk.

-------------
Life seemed to him merely like a gallery of how to be.


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 17:46
Marquee Moon isnt Punk!

-------------
http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 17:49

I don't think any of them are really Punk in fact!..(I don't know about suicde, never heard them)

 

 

Hang on, they're not Punk....but maybe they are Progressive Punk!.....Kind of.



-------------
http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 17:50
BTW I voted for Chaiirs Missing.....Wire are an excellent band whatever they are

-------------
http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">


Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 18:14
Where are Cardiacs?


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 18:23
They've been arrested!

-------------
http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">


Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 18:38

 Brave topic! It's a shame that most hardcore proggers have such an insurmountable kneejerk reaction to anything regarding punk. Punk didn't kill prog in the 70s...it killed itself, and punk just happened to be nipping at its heels the whole time. Luckily, punk itself attracted so many iconoclasts and experimenters that the music that came after the 'first wave' of punk was arguably more progressive than most of what the classic prog bands were doing at the time.

Out of this list, I'd vote for Marquee Moon...some of the songs on that album are definitely classic '77 NYC punk (a loose group that included the Talking Heads and Blondie as well as the NY Dolls and the Ramones), but Verlaine and Lloyd were unafraid to push the boundaries- to the extent that good ol' Johnny Rotten sneered that they sounded like the Grateful Dead (who themselves were, at that time, enjoying their most 'progressive' period since the mid to late 60s).

My personal all-time favorite progressive punk album is Sonic Youth's "Daydream Nation". By that point, the many and various seeds scattered by the punk influence had come to bloom, and the Branca "no wave" avant-garde sound was one of these. Between carefully structured chaos and psychedelic tonal explorations (and a hidden but firmly rooted pop-rock awareness), Sonic Youth made albums that were more 'progressive' than all their contemporary neo-prog bands put together.



-------------
http://www.last.fm/user/sollipsist/?chartstyle=kaonashi">


Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 23:35

Originally posted by james lee james lee wrote:

Brave topic! It's a shame that most hardcore proggers have such an insurmountable kneejerk reaction to anything regarding punk. Punk didn't kill prog in the 70s...it killed itself, and punk just happened to be nipping at its heels the whole time. Luckily, punk itself attracted so many iconoclasts and experimenters that the music that came after the 'first wave' of punk was arguably more progressive than most of what the classic prog bands were doing at the time.

heretic!!!



just kidding



-------------


Posted By: outdoor miner
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 01:29
DavidInsabella, thanks for proving my point, as I suspected you've never heard any of these albums and therefore should refrain from judging. The poll, after all, refers to progressive punk, not punk in general.

If you knew any of these albums you would know that they contain some of the most creative music ever recorded (regardless of genre) and that all of the musicians involved know more than just three chords. We're not talking about green day here.

Either way, it's your loss really.

Oh, and the newbie thing, that's pretty lame comming form another newbie. Guess you're the real newb 'round here for judging people on post count alone, doubt any of the senior members would have made such a ridiculous connection.



Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: May 30 2005 at 18:07
What the hall is prog punk? punk means lame simple songs with complete disability to play and no voice. Prog is exactly the opposite.

-------------
http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 31 2005 at 11:27
The Miracle is judging albums he has never heard, oh the horror


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 31 2005 at 11:40
What about Magazine? Do they fit the bill too?

-------------
http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">


Posted By: Ripples
Date Posted: June 02 2005 at 13:59
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

What about Magazine? Do they fit the bill too?


I will perform some research vis a vis Magazine and let you know, as I am not familiar enough with them to make that king of judgement call at this time. Any particular album in mind?



Print Page | Close Window

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 11.01 - http://www.webwizforums.com
Copyright ©2001-2014 Web Wiz Ltd. - http://www.webwiz.co.uk