Controversial suggestion...
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Topic: Controversial suggestion...
Posted By: Starless
Subject: Controversial suggestion...
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 03:41
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With the email you will all have received from Maxime Roy announcing a sister site to Progarchives covering metal music, may I suggest that all forms of prog metal currently on this site be moved to the new site? I ask because I feel that this site, which has always been a valuable resource for discovering new progressive musics, has over recent years become increasingly dominated by the myriad forms of prog metal to the detriment of other forms of prog.
I feel a split would freshen up this site, and give the new site a good start. I have nothing against metal musics, it's just not my cup of tea, as you might have guessed! I appreciate that metal is highly popular, and good on Maxime for starting a separate site, but surely if things remain as they are on this site there will be a lot of unecessary duplication.
I will now lie back to receive the inevitable verbal lashing.  ------------- Beware of the flowers, cos they're gonna get you yet! |
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 04:01
| Bah, humbug. |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 04:03
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I see youre point but many of the progressive metal bands like DT, Ayreon, Symphonire X and so on are important prog bands of the 90s but on the other hand if this site focuses on the ROCK part of Prog and MMA focus is on the Metal side of Rock, it is a logical suggestion |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 04:31
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Once a band is added it cannot be removed, regardless of genre. Unless the site owners changed policy, I would prefer the site to stay as is ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 04:34
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Little bit of Metal won't hurt :-)
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 04:36
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Somebody already suggested this. It's still silly. You don't have to read the threads about Dream Theater and Porcupine Tree, and to omit them is to ignore the direction that prog has taken (whether you want it to or not). ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 04:41
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I would also prefer the site to stay the way it is. If prog metal is dominating the discussions, then it is down to those who wish to discuss other sub genres to start and promote fresh threads accordingly.
Also, why stop at prog metal? Why not set up sister sites for anything prog related; Kate Bush, Peter Gabriel, Squarepusher et al, and keep PA for prog purists only. Whatever that means.. The apparent dominance of prog metal - not my favourite sub genre - is actually a good thing for progressive music as a whole, as it draws in a younger audience, who in turn discover the classic prog bands through their love of prog metal. Why should PA members have to flit between two sites to discuss two different types of strongly related music? ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 04:49
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No. If there's musical site for the genre A and for the genre B (and perhaps in the future for the genres C, D, E), it's logical they will overlap to a degree. We collect prog. MMA collects metal. You won't find ELP there. You won't find AC/DC here. Dream Theater is on both. Following the same logic, someone on MMA can say: let's get rid of the prog metal, it's on PA anyway, let the MMA be a place for pure metal without keyboards. Simple as that. ------------- |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 04:57
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No offense to Original Poster, but Metal is something we don't have to fear. Yes, MetalArchives are MOSTLY for Metal with little bit of Rock. Well, this site is not about Rock (not just about Rock), it's about Prog and this means electronic, jazz, rock, metal, you name it. Even most things are and will be Rock. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: Starless
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 05:17
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Funnily enough my fave band at the mo is Porcupine Tree - The Incident live was stunning - but I wouldn't have described them as metal as Henry suggests, merely metal influenced in parts. My points would relate more to bands in the Tech/Extreme metal genre, a lot of which have far more in common with the development of metal than prog, imo.
It's that old chestnut "how does one define prog". And yes Henry, my post is a bit silly, that was the point!  ------------- Beware of the flowers, cos they're gonna get you yet! |
Posted By: friso
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 07:01
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This is controversial for sure, but I partly agree with topic starter Starless. I don't dislike metal, but I'm not very interested either.
My thought are as following: most of the site is generated automatically every time you access it. You see the latest reviews, the latest discussion topics, the hot bands of yesterday, etc. Since all these element are variable, wouldn't it be possible to make a feature (like a button) that excludes all metal bands from the new reviews, hot bands lists and the PA top 100 etc. This shouldn't be impossible, and everybody would still be happy! |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 07:18
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^Following that logic, one can propose a button for excluding all jazz-rock, for example. I really don't see the point: if you dislike something, avoid it.
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Posted By: Synchestra
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 07:28
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Prog Metal lead me to this site. This site lead me to other prog. Which lead me to enjoy and appreciate music of most forms. I don't think that would have happened had it not been a part of this site. I know its not that way for everyone, but generally, the site works best when it represents prog as a whole. If this happened, chances are eventually it would only lead to different sites for all the various sub genres and make this site irrelevant (and none of the other sites would be as useful) Besides, its up to the sites owner. And I don't think it'll happen anyway. ------------- 'Yeah, thats.. Whatever you're talking about for ya' - Zapp brannigan |
Posted By: Lodij van der Graaf
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 07:55
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So groups like Dream Theater and Pain Of Salvation would vanish from this site? It's horribly horrible! Any newbie complexity-maniacs will enjoy when they found Dream Theater.. And for advanced brainstormers, will be poor if they're not listen to POS's (especially BE) conceptual albums.
By no means other classics like Gentle Giant's complex music or Yes' concepts were bad, but experiencing it on louder (well, metal) music will be astonishing! ------------- Grace is a name, like Chastity, like Lucifer, like mine!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Posted By: Starless
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 08:14
No they wouldn't - like I said earlier my point is more aimed at bands in the Tech/Extreme metal genre, not so much Prog Metal bands. ------------- Beware of the flowers, cos they're gonna get you yet! |
Lodij van der Graaf wrote:Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 08:25
Last time I checked, the site was still called progarchives and not progrockarchives.
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 08:36
Ah yes, but it is 'your ultimate prog ROCK resource'  ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 08:39
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Some bands, especially in the Progressive Metal and Experimental/Post Metal genres belong to both Prog and Metal because these genres are not strictly separated from each other. Maybe the few bands in the Tech/Extreme Prog Metal genre that can be called prog without too much goodwill could be moved to one of these genres (I can imagine Opeth in Progressive Metal) and the remainder put on a one-way traffic road to MMA. ------------- 
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Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 09:08
Not quite. There have been cases.
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 13:14
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Erm....no
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Posted By: elder08
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 13:44
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I dont think we should the metal site can get there own info hehe no but i wouldnt mind giving it up if it wasnt such a huge part of prog sorry broseph i say nay ------------- "There are people who say we [Pink Floyd] should make room for younger bands. That's not the way it works. They can make their own room."- David Gilmour |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 18:50
and what of Jazzrock/Fusion? Avant garde? Electronic? None of these genres have much more to do with trad. Prog than X-Tech metal does, but they all make good bedfellows and attract a similar listener who appreciates complex modern music. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 19:00
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Discuss ------------- 
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 19:34
Discus  or should that be dicuses? I've been attending this site for about four years. I have seen Art Rock split into three subs, which I thought was a good idea and Progressive Metal (I think that was called that then) split into three, which I didn't think was a good idea. Metal really isn't my cup of tea either and so I don't know the artists well enough, other than some by names, to pass judgment. I think this site is better off as a big tent rather than as an exclusive club. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 19:36
../artist.asp?id=922 - DISCUS 
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 19:42
Sorry, premature posting. Try this: think of prog as a really big discus fish being followed around by a lot of subgenres.  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 19:49
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it's forbidden to discuss Discus. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 19:49
| unless you're viscous. |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 20:55
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or there's a meniscus.
------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:00
| and you'd have to frisk us for the meniscus |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:02
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that's sickses. -Gollum ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: April 24 2010 at 10:47
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I need prog metal. or I will starve. ------------- 
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: April 24 2010 at 12:41
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This is an all-encompassing prog site. Such a move would only make sense if everything but 70s progressive rock and it's direct descendants (neo-prog, modern symphonic) were retained. And that's probably less than 50% of the bands here.
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: April 24 2010 at 12:53
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Yup, that battle is long over. While I'm personally only an occasional PM listener, I love the energy and youth that the PM fans bring to the site. This site brings different generations together on a regular basis, that's pretty cool.
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Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: April 24 2010 at 13:56
| I can't stand most metal, but I don't really see why you'd leave prog-metal out. The point of this site is discovering more prog, and many people who were metal fans probably found a prog metal band, came here, and discovered a lot of prog. I'd much prefer that to the alternative, they go on metal boards and everybody just keeps listening to more non prog metal. |