Soundgarden!
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Forum Name: Suggest New Bands and Artists
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Topic: Soundgarden!
Posted By: The Runaway
Subject: Soundgarden!
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 09:32
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Before you people go all, "Soundgarden is a grunge band, grunge is the complete opposite of prog.', listen to Superunknown, and tell me that that is not Crossover/Related material. The time signatures, the lyrics, the composition, deep inside, lie proggy Chris and Kim  Head Down Half My Wave Spoonman I also have a bio ready ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 09:37
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If they are added, we need to include these ones as well :
Jane's Addiction
Smashing Pumpkins
Melvins
Jesus Lizard
Alice in Chains ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 09:39
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I can easily class Melvins and Alice in Chains as grunge, Jane's and Smashing Pumpkins as alt rock, but I can't really class Soundgarden as grunge without having to note out the proggy elements they use in their music RATHER OFTEN. ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 09:44
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The Smashing Pumpkins have been seriously considered but may have been deemed to controversial. I have a feeling that Soundgarden would be similar. I don't know that they have been formally suggested before, but they have been previously discussed. Modern Drummer magazine listed Soundgarden's drummer as one of the their top 20 progressive rock drummers, not that that means much, but it is also not totally unreasonable. ------------- 
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Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 10:05
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Lol! There's a mellotron on Mailman! ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 10:13
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But... you are suggesting a band for a single album...??? so we will have the chance (if they get added) to review all their non-progressive albums as well...??? maybe they have some prog elements (which I doubt but I'm not an expert for that matter) but that's not enough to consider all their discography for this site.. right...??? ------------- |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 10:16
you know there are bands like talk talk and edge of sanity in PA  ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
jampa17 wrote:Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 10:26
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Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 10:33
Yeah... was a retoric question really... I found a little odd to review albums that do not have nothing to do with prog... and that do not help the band either, because according to the rating standards, most of the reviews will be low rating and might be considered "Poor" for prog standards... is healthier that the band don't get included in the site... I have nothing against Soundgarden, but I think it will be a case of trowing a band into the wrong audience... honestly... ------------- |
Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 10:39
Talk Talk has the same number of post rock albums as synth pop albums (plus one transitional art pop thing), just as there's about as much prog Genesis as pop Genesis  ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA! 
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 10:41
And I might add to this, why don't you try listening to Spirit of Eden and Laughingstock before you dismiss them? |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 10:51
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Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 10:57
But the Smashing Pumpkins are NOT Soundgarden. EDIT: Even on Down on the Upside, Dusty, has 10/4, 10/8, 7/4, all in 4:33! You guys keep saying Smashing Pumpkins when they're not even similar by a BIT! Smashing Pumpkins are mainstream poppy alt rock while Soundgarden is grunge turned experimental, turned proggy.
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Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 11:08
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As Soundgarden would be deemed a controversial case, it would need 100% yes from the Crossover team. A timid question then would be if the member participating in the debate has formed an opinion as is. If it is a negative there's no reason to go any further, if a positive or unsure I guess there's one more candidate on the Xover list ;-)
------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 11:22
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But which of the participating members are you referring to? The team members? ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 11:33
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He means himself, Chris, Guigo, Brian and myself, and I would not vote in favour. ------------- What? |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 12:08
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Soundgarden may have odd time signatures and a few little things here and there but odd time signatures do not a prog band make.... No no no. ------------- 
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 12:12
I'm not that much familiar with Soundgarden myself, but for what I know I'd go no for Crossover. I am open to persuasion. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 12:21
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I did not necessarily mean Crossover, as always, Related is always an option! Remember people, if goddamn IRON MAIDEN are on this site, then Soundgarden should be in atleast related. ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 12:24
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Oh, crap... Not again... ------------- What? |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 12:27
Since Raff said it was OK for me to borrow this let me emphasize Dean's sentiment.
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Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 12:31
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All of you, listen to Superunknown and Down on the Upside, and THEN we'll talk. LOL ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 12:42
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I've got the entire Soundgarden discography. That isn't the point. -------------
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Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 12:49
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Oh well - this case is closed as far as Crossover goes. Blowin Free - search up the Metallica thread if you want to build a case for prog related, with strong enough musical and analytical arguments to be able to sway the members and the admins here if you like. Break down Soundgarden's musical output into a clear analytical, logical argument that will force anyone to read it to take a listen to see how your points come across. I'd estimate that a good and reasoned argument would be in the 2.000-5.000 word range. When you have done that, find a collab you can convince to take the case and champion it for the admin team. Good luck :-) ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 12:51
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Thanks! ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 12:52
I got the last three Soundgarden albums... and a greatest hits with tracks of the first two... So let's talk. -------------
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Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 12:52
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Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 12:54
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^ Win, yes. Can anybody link to the metallica thread? The T, got a chat program? ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 12:57
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^What? Your best argument shouldn't be that Iron Maiden and Metallica are here... Your best argument should be about the music of the band itself... Yes, I have a chat program... -------------
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Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 13:01
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AIM or MSN? If we chat it will be much simpler for me to explain my opinion to you, my argument isn't Metallica and Iron Maiden, they're only parts. ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 13:04
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Are you sensual squirrel?? -------------
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Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 13:06
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Yep. ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 13:34
You know Dean, when he said this, I wanted to post exactly the same post, with almost exactly the same structure and formatting. Yes, not again with Iron Maiden. I like them being here, but honestly Blowin Free, you can't point that "this is" in Prog Related so why shouldn't be "yours" too. There are controversial additions, yes. And because you for sure know that as soon as someone posts review, it can't be easily deleted AND because there are people who wants them to stay, so what do you think you'll accomplish with this, adding another "controversial" band ? You know, this is intentional harm to PA. To repeat mistakes, because somebody else done them in the past. Or isn't it harm ? Is Supergarden good Prog, or (some) Prog-elements band ? Fight for them, give us proofs. But for Hell's sake, good ones, not just that they have mellotron in one F-word-ing track. You have to do better than this. I have to say that I own just one Best of album, so my knowledge about them is limited, but I know that you're not going to win so much hearts by ending every post with "LOL", even the serious ones. You know that same as I do. And for sure you're not going to win anything by referring to Iron Maiden. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu  Even my |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 13:37
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Listen to them and you'll see. You even got their name wrong, which proves you probably didn't listen/ ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 13:42
| Even Monster Magnet or Cathedral seem to fit better here. |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 13:55
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My discussion with The T: Soundgarden was originally a leading band in the grunge area, and they have been until their last album, Down on the Upside, but somewhere around Superunknown, Chris Cornell and Kim Thayil began to experiment a bit: odd-time, new musical genres, longer songs, things grunge bands wouldn't normally do. now, obviously you think, they experimented, so what, but if you listen closely to Superunknown and Down on the Upside (like I just did) you'll realise that everything is everywhere, there's odd-time in almost every song, they have influences ranging from middle-eastern to pop almost every 3 minutes, and they've become something that is not simply grunge with their experiments, they became much more complex and made more interesting music, something people who like nirvana like less than people who like Dream Theater. ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 14:02
It is not Crossover/Related material. |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 14:04
I don't dismiss anything !!!!
I just wanted to point out the fact that a band can be included without having begun as a prog band. Laughing stock is in two words...I know both these records and am not that crazy about them.
Genesis began as a prog band, so it's no wonder they are here.
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 14:07
------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 14:09
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 14:12
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not many bands played prog in the sixties... ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 14:13
| Blowin Free, you've been told 'no' from a number of people, including an Admin and the members of the Xover team. Why don't you give it a rest? Sometimes life means accepting that something isn't going to happen. |
Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 14:13
Superunknown belongs to my collection - a great album  ... and I thought more than a single moment ... but it's not prog ...
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 14:15
But you do consider it a prog album, I understood? Perhaps I'll check it out some day. ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA!
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 14:19
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are you playing with my nerves ? I think even Genesis don't consider it as their really first album. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 14:19
I'm now leaning towards the Prog Related genre and when I'm less tired I'll manage to argue better ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 14:23
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I've been listening to the album (Superunknown) and while there are a few tracks that could make a good case for prog-related, those few tracks don't make the album nor the band a prog rock one. Listening to a few tracks, the idea is not so crazy. But my opinion stays the same. -------------
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 14:24
I'm sorry, as PA is the only Genesis discography I use, I forgot about that possible point of view. I'll lay off this all-too-long off-topic so you can give your nerves some rest ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA!
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 14:42
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ok. This uncommon Genesis album makes me think of the 'cheerful insanity of Giles, Giles & Fripp' album which pre-dates KC and which is not really prog as well. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 15:11
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As an old metalhead I'm also familiar with Soungarden. And indeed, they played around with genre conventions a tad more than what they have been given credit for, even to the point of meriting an experimental tag to a few of their tracks.Perhaps even with some progressive leanings at times. However, it is not a common feature on more than a handful of tracks at best, spread over an extensive career. They aren't a band where the prog relations runs like a red thread throughout their history, and whatever proggish tendencies they had were never remarked upon nor did they inspire artists within the progressive rock field. In sum this makes them unsuitable for prog-related. Soundgarden was a great metal act, and arguably among the best grunge bands as well, creating quite a few brilliant tracks throughout their career (Jesus Christ Pose is among my desert island tracks). Being good doesn't equal being prog though. And pursuing this matter won't alter that fact - you'll get plenty of experience in the exercise of beating a dead horse though. Sorry for being blunt, but as my subtle hints previously passed you by, I had to be a tad more candid now. ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 15:19
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OK Blowin Free, you're right in this point, I didn't listen to it since then and I also made a mistake in band's name. And other parts of my post ? It wasn't few word's post you know. I'm sure you can learn few things from it. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 15:45
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I think that the Screaming Life EP & Ultramega OK may add something to the case. But Prog related is the fit. Influence & music wise. I also think that if any one person or more wants to pursue the matter, that it would be best to follow the advice given here - get your points together, the reasons why, addressing the questions & resistance, find a collab to propose it. If you find one collab to back you, then proceed with this or another thread. I do believe that they merit a place in Prog Related. Dillinger Escape Plan & Trapt cite them as big influences. I wouldn't be surprised that Soundgarden has a good base of fans among the prog & tech/extreme metal, along with post / math rock. And that among these fans, many would cop to the effect that Soundgarden's music has had on their own. I fear though, that the group's case will simply and quite quickly be dropped . TO be quite blunt about it, while I understand the " is the work worth it" vs " is there an obscure band that needs (?) PA's spotlight" arguement, I frankly believe that it's a cop out. From my point of view, we've repeatedly admitted that it's easier to include an obscure group that is passably prog (half an album of clear cut prog, with one or two other releases consisting of music stretching to fit our definition of prog related). But when we're faced with a well known and commercially successful group like Judas Priest, the Scorpions, Cream or Soundgarden, we tighten up our standards because they don't "need" our help in getting exposure. PA gets no benefit from lowering the bar for unknown acts, and raising it for so-called superstar bands. It's one rule for all. Example - One third or your output is prog and either it's enough to get you in or not. Whether you're Nine Inch Nails, or the Compedia Pincho Largesse. And please consider that the more borderline obscure acts that show up here, the more visitors will get the impression that obscurity , in and of itself, is a major consideration in being judged as prog. Being the place to find out all about unknown and just barely prog enough to get in PA progressive music is really not that great a goal, and is certainly not a plan to provide a solid and knowledgeable platform to expand prog's fan base. Too many deserving heavy bands get passed over because of their fame, while too many questionable anonymous acts get in because of they are little known, or worse, that most of us can't be bothered to question their inclusion. . We admit the first. Indeed, this thread has a few posts clearly stating so. We avoid discussing the second. And the rare times we do, we end up noticing that we are in a thread or discussion involving so few people, that all that is needed is one or two PA upper ranks to support the proposal. Not because of high handedness from collabs or admin or reviewers, just that getting that one sponsor will make the difference. And really, how often have we seen a toe to toe battle between PA higher ups about some small town Quebec or little Andalusian village band ? So please, once more, if we're going to dismiss a band like Soundgarden because they don't have a full blown prog album (as seen & proclaimed by all or at least the great majority), or because they ONLY have 2-3 prog credentials such as offbeat time signatures or non-linear compositions, then let's apply it to everyone. You start out making interesting music and then turn to making inane muzak, it doesn't matter your level of success. You either had enough prog aspects to pass our PA prog test or you don't AND that means no more no-names getting in based on the Krautrock/Symphonic/Jazz Rock whatever suite from album one, and some Santana-like folk jam on album two, with a quick descent into MOR semi-intelligent pop rock for the next 2-3-4 albums that they managed to get out in the 70s or 60s when label bosses were more patient and heavily medicated. . really folks, if one could follow all the genre team threads and listen to even half of the Approved additions, it would come as a shock as to what PA will accept if the band is obscure, vs what they will refuse if the band is even slightly well known. (re : this last comment - the real problem is not the obscure bands that we let in. Or that we admit obscure bands. Most do have enough merit to be here. Just that a lot of them get a pass that successful acts don't - double standards boundlessly abound when common boundaries already create some manner of comparing musiques ) ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 15:59
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You know Claude, if the criterias for prog related hadn't been as tight as a flea's arse I wouldn't have minded seeing theme there. Currently getting a band in there is just about as easy as winning the lottery though, as it has been decided that prog-related as a genre basically is an unwanted feature around these parts. ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 16:03
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Just out of curiosity, and not to subvert the point of your post or derail the topic, but of the obscurities you know, which are some that you do not think have enough merit to be here?
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 16:04
Stratovarius.  Oh wait, you said obscurities.-------------
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 16:05
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Maybe we change the name to "influence on / from prog, interest of / to prog" . I'm quite aware that bands like XTC and Jellyfish could be fit in under such a tag. Heck, let's just label it "you might like 'em" or "of possible interest to a prog fan" if we want to make it sound important . I still think that a big name band has to leap over tall buildings , when all a no-name act has to do, is to show up at the door with a friend. ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 16:13
This is how PR was meant at the beginning, but things changed when far too many forum members showed they couldn't behave like adults whenever a controversial addition was made. I remember a guy (some 50 years old, no less) leaving the site in a huff when Black Sabbath were added . |
Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 16:30
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[/QUOTE] This is how PR was meant at the beginning, but things changed when far too many forum members showed they couldn't behave like adults whenever a controversial addition was made. I remember a guy (some 50 years old, no less) leaving the site in a huff when Black Sabbath were added .[/QUOTE]  Possibly, even more had intention to leave if Black Sabbath was rejected
Come on, in both cases it still not the end of the world!
For me, it's often funny to see people killing themself in such situations. Hope,they have real life as well, not only this virtual one. It's interesting how do they live in this real stressful life?
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Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 16:33
Sophisticated non-progressive music As much as we all love purebred progressive rock in all it's varieties, it's not the total bread and butter of what we listen to. Many mainstream-oriented artists have a high level of sophistication to their music, in the shape of compositional, structural, improvisational or experimental features that also caters to a progressive audience. From the well-known jams of Grateful Dead to the highly challenging antics of Björk, Soundgarden's dissonant riff structures and Judas Priest's groundbreaking approach that would influence every metal act that followed. There's an abundance of artists both well and not so well known that creates music that goes beyond the borders of easygoing, easy listenable music that will be of interest to a progressive audience. And many of the fans interested in these varieties of sophisticated music will also find the purebred progressive approach interesting if they become aware of it. To cater for musical tastes outside of the progressive field for our main audience, as well as to attract those familiar with the sophisticated but unaware of the progressive, we have decided to expand the scope of this website with this category. To connect these two audiences, for the benefit of both. -------------- It will most likely never happen, but it is a dream... ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 16:35
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i believe that the highly influenced and iconic band Tool is inspired by Soundgarden, and I think Post metal/exsperimental is more closer to Soundgardens Sound but they are not 100% prog in terms if symphonic, eclectic, psych (even thoe they sight Psych and heavy bands bands like Cream, Led Zeppelin, the Beatles (who dount), post-punk like Killing Joke and Bauhaus, Sonic Youth (not post punk) or other but Post/Experimental metal. i think Badmotorfinger is a tad more Progressive then Superunknown but both are benchmark albums of their time ( It would not be the biggest crises if Soundgarden is being rejected), but as one of the MAJOR influnces in Post metal, tech metal, sludge metal, stooner (some have also argued that they were stooner earlear then Kyuss) even Mastodon show some Soundgarden-ish elements I think Toto is more Prog  (just for have that said) |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 16:36
Sorry for the OT, but I'd like to wish you a happy birthday, fellow Wheel of Time fan !
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Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 16:37
but - in fact - isn't it prog related you are writing about? ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Rivertree" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 16:42
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I think that what I wrote about was the original idea behind prog-related. But due to reasons hinted at by Raff here, prog related has now turned into this charade: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - Without being 100% Prog, received clear MUSICAL influence of this genre, AND - Are widely accepted as MUSICALLY influential to the development of Progressive Rock by the community, AND - Blend characteristics of Progressive Rock with mainstream elements creating a final product that despite not being part of the genre is evident that are close to Prog. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ...basically eliminating all the original intentions of the genre, and closing it down to be a narrow field to be populated by a very small number of artists. ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 16:45
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When it come to Prog Related, I think it's commonly easier for a relatively known name to get in than a real obscurity (partially because an obscurity is less likely to have had much influence on Prog being, well, obscure, plus it's more difficult to find info on obscurities and make the case). I know that in my time on a Prog team it was all about the music and not the name (but then Eclectic doesn't deal with so many big names not known for Prog).
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 16:50
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now that is a great group.. and one I've always loved.. however.. to repeat as surely some have already.. progressive music =/ prog music. (Beck anyone?  ) Just as quality =/ prog.. or related.. nor does creative use of time signature.. that is just a sign of creative and intelligent music. Prog does not have the license on that.
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 17:08
No, it's not, that's not what related means. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 19:57
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O.K., I have to come clean here - if I can get Soundgarden in, next is Poison. I'm already working on building a case for Nazareth around their song "Telegram". Once they're in , I'm pretty sure I can get AC/DC in. Then it's only a matter of time before i get Public Enemy under Krautrock or Electronic; Crowded House in Crossover, and Bob Dylan in Folk (no not prog related, but a full blown prog genre). After that, there's not an "X is here, why not Y" that will no be able to prove the merit of any classic rock band's candidacy. ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: March 05 2010 at 20:08
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I hear Soundgarden elements in Pain Of Salvation (Gildenlow sounds like Cornell sometimes) and Mastodon. ------------- Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while... |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: March 06 2010 at 10:06
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I hear Soundgarden has sold a few million albums. Just what do they need PA for ? Er, wait, is a band's merit based their need for PA's promotional power ? I hear that some of Celine DIon's songs have classical music leanings or origins. Could that be a starting point for her admission under Symphonic Prog ? She has a virtuosic instrument in her voice. ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: O666
Date Posted: March 06 2010 at 10:37
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I think only one song of SOUNDGARDEN have proggy elements: " Black hole sun". I dont care about what is soundgarden. I'm sure this band is not a progressive band and if you want call it PROG you can call " Grandfunk Railroad" too!!! Grandfunk have one proggy song called " Railroad".
Playing instruments is not a good reason for categorized bands. A prog rock band must have several elements and must have atmospher of prog, This is a big mistake if we focus to one or two things and then categorize.
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: March 06 2010 at 14:31
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This thread is about Soundgarden the Grunge Rock isn't it?
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: March 06 2010 at 14:36
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I wonder why Soundgarden is suggested for PA, while there is this band called The Melvins, which inspired a host of grunge bands and which is far more "proggy"... ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: March 06 2010 at 15:06
To confirm a no for crossover, same for the great Blind Melon if they ever got suggested
Let them present a decent case ( Blowin free) and you might have success ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: March 08 2010 at 02:06
Maybe somebody saw the http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2892 - Nirvana bio etc and just got confused ------------- 
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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: March 08 2010 at 02:08
>:- ) ... when I saw Nirvana in search results, I wondered quite a lot. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: March 08 2010 at 02:45
Ah. It used to be that way, until they tightened the definition from being one out of three possibilities for inclusion to become all three parameters. The definition used to be: - Without being 100% Prog, received clear MUSICAL influence of this genre, OR - Are widely accepted as MUSICALLY influential to the development of Progressive Rock by the community, OR - Blend characteristics of Progressive Rock with mainstream elements creating a final product that despite not being part of the genre is evident that are close to Prog. The revised definition is: - Without being 100% Prog, received clear MUSICAL influence of this genre, AND - Are widely accepted as MUSICALLY influential to the development of Progressive Rock by the community, AND - Blend characteristics of Progressive Rock with mainstream elements creating a final product that despite not being part of the genre is evident that are close to Prog. ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: March 08 2010 at 06:18
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(Windhawk) It is, or it is not unfair ?
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Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: March 08 2010 at 06:28
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Depends on your point of view Marty. Those who think that the site is too inclusive as it is obviously like this narrowed down approach. Those of us with a more liberal approach to matters don't all agree to that ;-) ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 08 2010 at 06:34
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You want my own two cents on that, Marty? I believe that the problem with many of the bands included in PR - and, consequently, with most suggestions - is that they're known as 'something else' other than prog. You know, many people rely on tags and labels rather than actually listen to the music. X are known as a new-wave band, therefore they cannot be prog-related (or even fully prog). Y are known as a punk band, therefore we should keep them out of the site - no matter if they sound at least as prog as other acts included without discussion. Even if I disagree with the restricted definition of PR, I understand why the Admins (who are in charge of the category) have implemented that. It would be enough to look at some of the reactions in this thread or elsewhere to realize what would happen if such a 'controversial' band was added. |
Posted By: O666
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 11:21
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