Steve Miller Band would be @ PA?
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Topic: Steve Miller Band would be @ PA?
Posted By: ko
Subject: Steve Miller Band would be @ PA?
Date Posted: January 07 2010 at 18:49
That really seems extremly nonsense that one of THE first prog musicans, a pretty good composer (he composed "Shine you crazy diamond" in '68 - much before "original" prog superhit! ) and an unique guitarist is NOT (!) @PA!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTMZS8WWM6I - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTMZS8WWM6I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McSPd3aVXNk - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McSPd3aVXNk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjlFkqMNxcY - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjlFkqMNxcY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAcZC6zs-y0 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAcZC6zs-y0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwJGN-T4kaM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwJGN-T4kaM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1iFTE-u7Gg - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1iFTE-u7Gg
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: January 07 2010 at 18:56
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Much as I like the Steve Miller Band...um...no.
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Posted By: ko
Date Posted: January 07 2010 at 19:01
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Epignosis wrote:Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: January 07 2010 at 19:08
Because the Steve Miller Band is largely a blues rock outfit. Can you name one progressive rock album they've made? The first Youtube sample is kinda progish, but many bands in the 1970s dabbled around with this sort of experimentation. The second Youtube sample is a live version of this. The third Youtube sample...I'm sorry, but that's one of the most ordinary chord progressions in modern music. It's a nice song, but not progressive rock in the least. The fourth Youtube sample is a bit more complex, but still not progressive rock. It could be likened to Uriah Heep a bit, but still- Can you name one album that is progressive rock? ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: ko
Date Posted: January 07 2010 at 19:13
PS Ought to say why you dont accept him, in my opinion. TBH, I think that reason is because he's American. OK, call me crazy but I saw that so many these bs pop bands/artists from East Europe are more welcome here than those great PROG acts from USA (as Mr. Steve Miller as well !).
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: January 07 2010 at 19:31
Yes, an American whose favorite band is Kansas is clearly biased in this regard.  |
Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: January 07 2010 at 20:09
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I love me some early-Steve Miller Band. Children of the Future is a fantastic, well-conceived album, with a couple of songs that certainly fall into the proto-prog realm. Unfortunately, prog-wise, any album that has a cover version of Key to the Highway probably is not going to gain admission here. Sailor is also a good album. But what's the high point? Living in the U.S.A., which is pure blues-rock if I've ever heard it.
Me? I have a tendency to confuse really good, atmospheric rock albums that contain some prog elements with actual prog albums. Happens all the time. See my Richard Thompson suggestion from a couple of days ago. ------------- Can you tell me where we're headin'? Lincoln County Road or Armageddon. |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: January 07 2010 at 20:21
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: January 07 2010 at 21:07
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I think a lot of people would be surprised at how proggy a lot of early Steve Miller is, but if you look at bands from that time and place, I think they are beat out by Quicksilver Messenger Service.
Although QMS is known for being a blues-rock jam band, they also have some great proto-prog multi-sectional Medevial sounding tracks. They also, from what I understand, made an important tour of the UK early on that had a big impact on the early UK psyche proto-prog scene. |
Posted By: ko
Date Posted: January 08 2010 at 02:30
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I own an old book printed in 1976/1977, The Ilustrated New Musical Express Encyclopedia of Rock, (Salamander Books Ltd, London), where Nick Logan and Bob Woffingen wrote about early SMB as very important one of early progressive rock bands. It seems that general view about "what's prog" have to have drastically changes from that time.
i.e. The Who is one of my fav bands. I own everything officialy issued by them (including solo albums; I'v been on the gigs so many times) and it results that I'v been really suprised when I saw The Who here! TBH, I don't care, on the contrary I'm happy because I'm "diehard" fan but objectively speaking - this is a funny thing! As you said -The Who is proto prog, because of "they made prog possible". Ok, I suposed that many people are thinking on that way, so I'm not against that. But if we're following to this, how it could be even possible that Steve Miller Band with late 60's albums like Children of Future and Sailor is not deserved that proto prog status but The Who with their music from the same year is deserved to become proto prog ? Tommy as original 1969 album, as the rock opera with lack of electric guitar maybe qualified them for proto prog. But if you're listening to their live records(i.e. Woodstock perfomance, Live at Leeds or London Coliseum) from the time when Tommy went to the shops, it should be proto metal not proto prog.
(Btw, I think that Who Are You is THE album which could be "prog related" /if you loved to put them here/ because one prog musician -Rod Argent plays alot of synths on it and because of that kind of production.)
PS Above mentioned things are not my effort to argue with you guys! I'v telling you about my point of view honestly - nothing else!
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Posted By: ko
Date Posted: January 08 2010 at 03:55
When I said "because he's American" I wasn't thinking politicaly. I think that American prog is disregarded because American prog is to compare with that British prog rock movement of late 60s/early70's - what was great and unique - but couldnt be pattern for the bands/artists who did do progressive music in States. That's something wrong and even impossible in my opinion. So you have huge mess here. (i.e. many of those silly questions like: " what Frank Zappa have in common with prog bands as Genesis, Yes, King Crimson, ELP and Jethro Tull ?")
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 08 2010 at 13:18
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For anyone to discount the impact of American musicians/ bands on progressive rock/music would be sheer ignorance. Particularly look to the US Psyche scene and Fusion. And the US continues to produce so much fantastic progressive music. Not to mention rock and roll/ rock, and jazz specific.... I'm not that familiar with the Steve Miller Band, but what I've heard of the 60's recording are really good and so, without being knowledgeable enough yet to fully endorse it, I would think Proto-Prog or Prog-Related. I'm not much of one for what is sometimes called Pomp Rock and AOR albums (that have a relation to Prog), which doesn't mean I don't support them in the archives because that would extreme narcissism to think that what I like is what is PA-worthy, though, of course I'm more enthusiastic about ones I like. I do like what I've heard of Steve Miller Band. Personally, I think there's too much of a bias against those who did blues-rock (blues-rock being a very Amercian form of music). Zappa is one of the most respected musicians in the archives (as well as people such as Miles Davis and Herbie Hancock). Anyway, most of that is pretty unnecessary. This is a great track: |
Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: January 09 2010 at 14:26
For me, I don't deny the progressive aspects of early Steve Miller. My point of view is that Children of the Future is the finest of the 'San Francisco' bands debut albums (poor old Moby Grape a distant second). Obviously In My First Mind fits the bill. From that album, so do many other tracks, notably Baby's Calling Me Home, with its harpsichord and jazzy changes. From Sailor, again a number of progressive tracks. But I thought the rule here is there has to be a progressive album? And any album that ends with what is essentially a blues medley of Junior Saw It Happen, Fanny Mae, and Key to the Highway doesn't fit the bill. I'm just saying, if we are going to be consistent then Steve Miller Band probably shouldn't be included. If they are to be included based on a few songs, then I've just seen a great Dire Straits video (see Police vs. Dire Straits thread over in that other forum) that seals the deal for DS. ------------- Can you tell me where we're headin'? Lincoln County Road or Armageddon. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 09 2010 at 15:08
A progressive album -- depends what you mean by that. I don't know that the first album is that progressive (as in innovative) because I suspect that Steve Miller Band was jumping on the Psyche bandwagon; however, it has a fusion of genres which is a very important trait of Progressive Rock. I certainly don't expect a Prog album from one in Proto-Prog or Prog-Related (though it has happened -- and of course it partially depends on what one thinks is Progressive Rock or progressive music). If you look at the Proto-Prog definition then I think that the debut and to a lesser extent the follow-up fits Proto-Prog quite well stylistically (there are other considerations to take into account). Music off other albums have Prog-Related merits. I don't think in terms of consistency that much, I approach each suggestion quite independently (there is of course the if so-and-so is here then so-and-so should be here too argument which is valid when enough comparisons can be drawn, but I avoid the, if so-and-so isn't in then so-and-so shouldn't be in arguments). I don't know Dire Straits that well, but it doesn't have any Proto-Prog merits. I'm of a much more inclusive mind-set when it comes to acts that have albums considerable for Proto-Prog than ones that only have albums considerable for Prog-Related. Not only do I not think that an act should have a full-blown "progressive" album to be includable in either Proto-Prog or Prog-Related, if that's the case, I think it's better highlighted ina Prog category for the album though I would like an album-based category for specific albums inclusion rather than bands/artists, but I don't see why ending with a blues track would make any difference -- a hallmark of progressive rock is variety. I'm sure no one would complain with a band being in Prog of an album if the last piece was pure classical (to use the term loosely). Like I said, I don't know Steve Miller Band well enough to offer full-support but see how well you think the early albums fit Proto-Prog (at least from a sound perspective and not influence or importance):
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: January 09 2010 at 15:25
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^^
Fair enough. If Proto- doesn't require the full album to be 'progressive', I'd have no problem with Steve Miller Band being here in Proto- on the basis of their first two albums, regardless of anything said previously.
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Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: January 09 2010 at 15:45
| I haven't listen all SMB albums, but their middle-late period is kind of blues-rock, pop-rock and pure pop for me. Minimum progressive feel. For sure, I can't decide on this basis only. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 09 2010 at 16:16
| From what I've heard, I expect that those first two albums should be the crux. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 10 2010 at 07:59
Only when I can fly like an eagle. 
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: January 10 2010 at 08:33
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Posted By: ko
Date Posted: January 11 2010 at 05:26
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: January 11 2010 at 06:25
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No. Must be suggested by The Joker. ------------- 
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Posted By: ko
Date Posted: January 11 2010 at 06:33
...or by the Owner of a Lonely Heart - for the Love Beach!!!
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: January 11 2010 at 07:27
Sailor has been listed by resepcted critic Jon Savage as a classic psychedelic album... and I wouldn't argue too hard with that thought... ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: ko
Date Posted: January 11 2010 at 11:43
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 11 2010 at 12:26
I am sorry to disabuse you, but this is not a democracy. People can vote all they want, but the decision whether to add a band or not is made by the Admin Team (who are in charge of Proto-Prog and Prog-Related), after a band or an artist has been submitted to them by a Special Collaborator. If they have a majority of positive votes, then the band or artist is added. End of story. |
Posted By: ko
Date Posted: January 11 2010 at 13:53
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Yes I know thats the procedure that I have been kidding abit only . PS I respect your Admin team alot because they're open minded that they added very unique progressive rock bands like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlZHqWOjwRw - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlZHqWOjwRw |
Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: January 11 2010 at 14:28
They say, all of them could be happy. I am not sure
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Posted By: ko
Date Posted: January 11 2010 at 14:55
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Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: January 11 2010 at 14:58
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Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: January 11 2010 at 14:59
| I afraid, it is more about common sense, not about music |
Posted By: ko
Date Posted: January 11 2010 at 15:03
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Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: January 11 2010 at 15:54
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Whenever I wonna believe you are familar with new band's adding (or not) rules, no reason to speak about it. Whenever people made a big job founding this site and running it till it became what it is now, I think any newcomer should have some respect. Possibly not all things are perfect there ( as in any other place), but many people working on it. Trying to do it better. Anyone can participate on this process. Or, if doesn't like what he /she found there, can just leave. But I afraid there as in any team, where people are working for better result, no-one likes criticists from outside, coming just to show that they exists. Ifv you're not happy with team, rules,etc, it's pity to say, but they wouldn't be changed because of you.
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Posted By: ko
Date Posted: January 11 2010 at 16:26
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Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: January 11 2010 at 16:51
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Hey,
I'm just expecting from you a bit bigger respect to people,working on site,it's all.Easy.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 11 2010 at 16:54
Guys, calm down, please ! It's not worth getting mad at each other over additions to the site - I have learned this the hard way.
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Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: January 11 2010 at 17:00
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Posted By: ko
Date Posted: January 11 2010 at 17:02
Actually, you have nothing to expect from me at all. Yu're just a member same like me(oups! sorry, yu're collaborator). Yu're not Admin team member. I didn't break any rule of the site. If I said something what could be understand as criticizm, that means nothing wrong because this is a discussion forum.
Regards
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Posted By: ko
Date Posted: January 11 2010 at 17:04
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Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: January 11 2010 at 17:09
I don't know what are you implying with this, but there's a hell of a good reason why this band is on ProgArchives - regardless of their 80's pop output. ------------- |
Posted By: ko
Date Posted: January 11 2010 at 17:12
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: January 11 2010 at 17:16
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Can we cool down here ko. Whatever the merits or demerits of SMB's acceptance or rejection for admission here, it's hardly urgent is it? It's definitely not Prog Rock. However, it could be progressive enough to be added here but that us for our genre teams or Admins to decide. You cant get them added by force of will. |