Bhits wrote: Why everybody starts loving YES and after ends not so much, or even though hating?

Maybe because they learned to say NO.

I think the question might be along the lines of "why does everyone love early Yes, but not care for, or even hate, their more recent work"?

Liking early Yes and later Yes is like liking Yes, yes?  No, 'cause liking Yes is like liking Yes, if you like Yes.  I personally feel that Yes is Yes, but then they weren't, it's like liking Yes and then not liking Yes but later, no?

I hope he is referring to their Rabin era and the mediocrity up to Magnification which could have been an album of note if Steve had gotten into it more.Personally I have always loved them.

I prefer Bluetailfly's explanation....

Every studio album Yes has released since GFTO has been deeply flawed,IMO

Snow Dog wrote: And Rush has been spotless since Moving Pictures has it?

You are not seriously comparing the later releases of the two bands are you?

The consensus is with me on that one......

Snow Dog wrote: Do I care about the consensus?

You do when they give you a minus rating

You know what I like about you Tony?

........You live a long way away

I don't care...about ratings here or there...

I love Yes, even Tales and some of Rabin... but  then "Big Generator".... What the hell was that??

I love Yes, except Big Generator, Union and Talk. These are poor albums, even for this GREAT band... Open Your Eyes isn't good enough... And the best of all are between 71 and 77 I guess...

Snow Dog wrote: Hey Cygnus, wre you a Collaborator before? This is new isnt it? When do I get promoted?

I got a message from the powers that be asking if I wanted to be one. I just wrote a buncha reviews. 

I don't see any members with 4 stars, by the way. Would be nice for wannabe-collaborators, maybe  , or for people after 1000 or 2500 posts.

Yes: They only things I really like about them in the '80's and '90's are: 90125, the ABWH -album, the livetracks on Key To Ascension, and the Magnification-tour. For the rest: they've peaked. Will there ever be a new studio - album by the way? I wonder. Not that I expect much of it.

Rabin is good, but he shouldn't have had such a big hand in producing Big Generator. I agree with Eddie Offord: Rabin tends to sterilize the production. Great guitarplayer though, and I do like some Big Generator and Talk - stuff, and some of his solo-stuff, though not everything.

From The Yes Album up to and including Tormarto YES were awesome but then they totally lost it in the 80's! Especially - dunno if anyone else has noticed this - when Squire started dressing and looking like the dark haired one from ABBA!

vaportrail wrote: Gloryscene wrote: From The Yes Album up to and including Tormarto YES were awesome but then they totally lost it in the 80's! Especially - dunno if anyone else has noticed this - when Squire started dressing and looking like the dark haired one from ABBA! you've got to include Drama in that. Dont you think Wakeman looks like the blonde out of ABBA?

Yeah definitel he is the Frankenstein Version of the blonde one from ABBA!

 I wonder whether he is a Dancing Queen as well?

On a serious one Squire is an awesome bass player!! Especially his line on Heart of the Sunrise when it comes out into that quieter section

the dragon wrote: I love Yes. Full stop.

I agree with that...me too. Everything they do is great, well maybe not Union, but not all of thats bad either. surely this topic has been done to death?

Snow Dog wrote: the dragon wrote: I love Yes. Full stop. I agree with that...me too. Everything they do is great, well maybe not Union, but not all of thats bad either. surely this topic has been done to death?

Like Snow Dog said!

flowerchild wrote: I think he means: "Why does everybody love yes at first, but after a while begin to dislike them or even hate them?".

Sorry, my poor english, people. That was i want tell.

I love Yes a lot also... but even Union is better than "Big Generator"...

threefates wrote: I love Yes a lot also... but even Union is better than "Big Generator"...

Of course you are welcome to your opinion, but I disagree....BG has some killer tunes:

Final Eyes

I'm Running

Shoot High Aim Low 

Holy Lamb

(And I admit that even Rhythm of Love, Love Will Find a Way, the Title Track & Almost Like Love are guilty plaesures for me!)

Union has probably just as many good tracks (I Would Have Waited Forever, Shock to the System, Lift Me Up, Miracle of Life, The More We Live-Let Go, Take the Water to the Mountain), but has more tracks that I skip than any other Yes CD: Holding On (Probably my least favorite Yes track of the entire catalog!), Dangerous (It Sure Is!), Saving My Heart (Even bad pop for Rabin!),  and much Mediocrity: Silent Talking, Evensong (Bruford-Levin can do much better), Masquerade (Ditto Steve Howe)....Also, a lot of die hard Yes fans have real problems with this album because so many studio musicians were used....

Note the following side of the story from Producer Jonathan Elias:

http://www.bondegezou.demon.co.uk/iv/jeinterview.htm#p2 - http://www.bondegezou.demon.co.uk/iv/jeinterview.htm#p2

Rick Wakeman calles it "Onion" because he cries when he hears the CD!

From an interview on http://www.nfte.org - www.nfte.org  issue 263

Yes went through this sort of management and because there’d been ABWH, because there’d been the Yes side of things and the UNION side of things, there just seemed to be managers and agents everywhere, and my personal opinion--and this is only an opinion--was that a lot of decisions where made on behalf of the band that the band didn’t make, and that were not in the best interests of the band. Certainly at the end of the UNION tour, and I say this again, this is an opinion, this is not fact, my opinion is that the management there at the time thought, “Great, Yes has built up a lot of respect…the UNION tour was a great tour, had built a lot of respect, that’s great--built up a fan base. Everything’s really good again; everything’s great. It doesn’t matter who does the album, because that’s fine, everybody will buy it now." And that’s not right. That’s not how things work.

MOT: You don’t think it more of a commercial consideration, in that 90125 was such a big hit for Yes, that certain people said, “Hey, let’s get that version of Yes back together and create an album, maybe we’ll have another 90125?”

RW: I don’t think so, because there’s two ways of looking at it. You can say, yeah, that’s true, 90125 was an extremely important album, it saved the band, to many extents. The ABWH tour was a great tour, and when the two units merged to form the UNION tour, probably the strongest elements were from the ABWH side of things of the two units being put together. So in essence, to remove that unit at the end of it was a bit strange. I think you’re dead right, but I think the commercial side was purely financial…personally what I would have thought was there probably wasn’t a way where in truth where there could have been an eight piece album, because the UNION album was, as it was, was pretty dreadful. Actually that’s not fair, it was very dreadful. In fact I don’t even class it as a Yes album, because the only person that wasn’t on was Bill Clinton playing saxophone…I mean the prat, so-called producer just had all of his friends on it; it was just a joke. It’s a joke.

MOT: Yeah, I have to agree. It started out strong; I “Would Have Waited Forever” and “Shock To The System” kind of carried it forward, but after that it just did not sound like Yes.

RW: Well the problem was I played loads and loads of things, which went on Cuebase or whatever it was we were using at the time, and then because we were rehearsing on up to the tour, we made the fatal mistake of leaving people in the studio who said, “Ha, I’m going to change that; I’ll change all these sounds.” and I know I can speak on behalf, I think I’m sure Steve wouldn’t mind, we listened to some of it and Steve said, “I didn’t play that; I didn’t do that!” Everybody listens to different things on a Yes [album]. I listen for the overall sound…and I’m going, “I know Steve did this; where’s that gone? Where is it; who’s that?” (Laughs) It was just a joke; it was an absolute joke. I mean, saved by the tour, which was a tremendous tour, an interesting tour and a tremendous tour. I don’t know what the answer was after that, but the solution that the management took, I think was wrong. I mean that’s a personal opinion; I’m not just saying it because it excluded Steve and myself and Bill, but I think it was wrong.

MOT: As far as UNION goes, it’s really ironic; as you were saying, ABWH was a stronger unit than the Yes West guys were, but Yes West really fared great on UNION. I mean, ABWH got screwed.

RW: Oh yeah, yeah, that’s true. Oh absolutely. But that’s the whole history and the story of Yes you know. I must admit I looked at the UNION tour…I think Steve and I knew full well that at the end of it that the Yes management over here were using the situation to build up their own situation, and I mean I think we were both aware of that. I looked upon the UNION tour as something I was going to thoroughly enjoy and I’ll make the most of, by enjoying it and having fun and playing it, which was exactly what I did, and to this day, it is still to this moment sitting here, the most enjoyable tour I’ve ever done. I mean my only regret is that I couldn’t sit down in the audience and watch it. And it was an important part of Yes history--a very important part of Yes history. I mean, there are certain stepping stones in Yes’ history, and I’m not talking about when there’s changes being made. It’s interesting you mentioned 90125--very, very important part of Yes’ history. If that album had stiffed, there’s a fair chance there wouldn’t be a Yes out there today--very fair chance. In a strange way, Jon getting frustrated and coming up forming ABWH…I mean ABWH was a very, very important part of the whole Yes band.

Bhits wrote: flowerchild wrote: I think he means: "Why does everybody love yes at first, but after a while begin to dislike them or even hate them?".  Sorry, my poor english, people. That was i want tell.

I was right!!!

lol....

You and I think alike on this one Yarstruly, i,m always having to stick up for BG. I truly like the album.!

Snow Dog wrote: And they are both better than love bitch

No they aren't 

Find any lyrics on Big Generator thats as good as "Taste of my Love".... not possible!!!

Snow Dog wrote: You and I think alike on this one Yarstruly, i,m always having to stick up for BG. I truly like the album.!

BG is one of my favourites too. I can understand why many Yes fans don't like it, it isn't old Yes, but if you take it at face value and forget who made it, I find it highly enjoyable.

By the way, BGs for prog archives anyone? 

Yes are pop music.

I saw them on MTV, so they must be.

threefates wrote: Snow Dog wrote: And they are both better than love bitch No they aren't  Find any lyrics on Big Generator thats as good as "Taste of my Love".... not possible!!!

Is that the one with the "peaches and cream" lyric?