group addition: Chimera (UK prog band 1967)
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Topic: group addition: Chimera (UK prog band 1967)
Posted By: octopus-4
Subject: group addition: Chimera (UK prog band 1967)
Date Posted: December 14 2009 at 05:10
This is not the prog-folk dutch band already in this site.
They formed in UK in 1967 and had one album produced by Rick Wright and Nick Mason that remained unreleased until 2001. I have found one copy on Amazon.
The Album is homonimous.
The line-up is as follows:
Lisa Bankoff - Vocals, Guitar
Francesca Garnett - Vocals
Mal Luker - Guitar, Keyboards
Bob Weston* - Guitar
Nick South - Bass
Roy Temro - Drums
Nick Mason - Drums
Rick Wright - Keyboards (Nick and Rick play only on one track each)
Ian Milne - Keyboards
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Posted By: ko
Date Posted: December 14 2009 at 06:51
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: December 14 2009 at 06:57
not bad, even if very 60's, isn't it? Thanks for the video
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Posted By: ko
Date Posted: December 14 2009 at 07:05
No problem! Sadly enough, that's only one clip what i find at youtube.
Nice '60s Prog - no question!
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: December 14 2009 at 10:08
Good stuff. I've come across info on that Chimera before -- I think at an acid folk/ psyche site. The album title is eponymous.
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: December 14 2009 at 12:21
The first track of the album (Come Into The Garden) is also on youtube.
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Posted By: ko
Date Posted: December 16 2009 at 12:53
Yesssss.............!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YAaol7-WIE - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YAaol7-WIE
Also, this one ("The Grail")
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmOz8leJRwQ - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmOz8leJRwQ
....and "Mary's Mistery"...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO1b3oGxcu8 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO1b3oGxcu8
Amazing Prog!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: December 16 2009 at 15:45
discussed before. David Gilmour and I think Mason had a hand on their debut. I suggested them to Folk, but didn't push it
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: December 17 2009 at 09:38
Will we see them (the Chimera) listed in the site? it's the reason why I have started this post.
Now that Sir Gilmour has been mentioned, is he that plays the final solo in the "whole story" version of Kate Bush's Whuthering Heights? I know he produced the single. Does anybody know it for sure?
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: December 17 2009 at 12:36
Be patient, the Prog Folk team is working through a backlog and decisions commonly take time. You might wish to PM a Prog Folk team member. I think it could be a good acid folk addition, but I'm more inclusive than some of the Folk Prog team members.
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: June 11 2010 at 10:25
Any Prog-folk specialist available to check them? A group featuring even if just on two tracks Nick Mason and Rick Wright can't be ignored....
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: June 11 2010 at 11:24
Let me check this, I'll get back to you later.
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: June 15 2010 at 06:15
Nice suggestion, I can see this on PA even though the category is indeed not easy to define. I'll ask the Prog Folk team about it.
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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: June 15 2010 at 13:08
If this is 1967 it surely cannot be prog folk as it was not an established genre by then or am I mistaken?
If anything, it must be proto prog. The Grail for example is more like a raga, and so is Mary's Mystery.
Best compared with Jefferson Airplane I think.
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: June 15 2010 at 14:08
1967 was mentioned as the year of formation, not as a release date of the album. Rateyourmusic says 1969 for the formation (and Wikipedia doesn't have them).
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: June 15 2010 at 17:45
earlyprog wrote:
If this is 1967 it surely cannot be prog folk as it was not an established genre by then or am I mistaken?
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Yes, you've mistaken everything. The music is what your ears tells you it is, no the year. Incredible String Band's The 5000 Spirits or the Layers of the Onion is from 1967 and its progfolk, although the genre wasn't established back then (neither was protoprog).
Anway, Chimera's album is from 1969. Over half the album's pure magical progressive/acid folk, and couple of tracks are quite an amateurish mess.
------------- Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 15 2010 at 18:34
^ 
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: June 21 2010 at 10:59
I have uploaded a scan of the album's inlay. Likely the only source of information about the band's bio. I don't know how to share them (maybe they are already shared, I don't know).
------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: June 21 2010 at 11:00
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/uploads/10853/chimera-inlay-1.JPG
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/uploads/10853/chimera-inlay-2.JPG
Maybe this works ?
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: June 21 2010 at 11:04
^ they work. Thanks Luca! I am curious what the Folk team says.
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Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: August 07 2010 at 21:41
Not sure what ever happened to this thread, but I'm cleaning up some old posts and suggestions and came across this one. Chimera was considered a while back by the Prog Folk team and rejected. You might want to suggest them to the Pysch team.
Regards, Clem
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Albert Camus
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: August 08 2010 at 02:07
Should I open a new thread or just ask the psych team?
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: August 08 2010 at 05:36
No, I'll post them a link to this thread and ask for an evaluation.
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Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: August 18 2010 at 22:25
Would you octopus-4 be intersted of doing bio & searching album information to Chimera?
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: August 19 2010 at 01:01
Fine for me.
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: August 19 2010 at 16:25
This is a first draft of their bio. I'm planning to mail Francesca Garnett as her mail address is written on the internal sleeve of the album. Comments are welcome.
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at the end of 1963 Lisa Bankoff (piano) and Francesca Garnett (vocals), two young girls who shared a passion for the fab four started writing songs. They were the first nucleus of Chimera. After having a tape refused by EMI in 1965, they went to Rome where both their mothers were living. There they recorded a tape of own songs but it remained into a cassette until they came back to UK in 1967. It was in Rome, in May 1968, that they had the opportunity to approach Nick Mason while the Pink Floyd were taking part to a festival. Back to UK, Nick Mason offered to become their manager with David Gilmour as producer.
With Nick Mason as manager the two girls signed off a contract with Morgan and assembled a band including Ian Milne on keyboards and two unknown musicians. The band didn't last long so they had to hire the instrumentist through melody maker. After some changes in the lineup, when they were recording the album, the label closed down. Nick Mason tried a deal with Atlantic, but the band rapidly disbanded also because Lisa had a bad accident in the USA and spent about two years on a wheelchair. Atlantic declined its interest, then later Bob Weston joined the Fleetwood Mac.
There was a brief reunion in 1975 but nothing more happened until 1980 when ten survived tracks were discovered in the Morgan's archives during a project for reissues. The tape was remastered from a cassette copy, but it remained in the archives only to be rediscovered in 2001, year of the final release of their album.
A couple of tracks feature Nick Mason and Rick Wright. The album was released 32 years after being recorded. All their music, except those 10 tracks is lost forever.
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Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: August 20 2010 at 02:36
well done up to now, octopus .. let's wait for Francesca's answer anyhow ...
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: August 23 2010 at 04:32
Rivertree wrote:
well done up to now, octopus .. let's wait for Francesca's answer anyhow ...
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I've mailed her last Friday. The address is still valid, but I don't know if she's checking it after about 10 years since the album's release.
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: August 23 2010 at 04:44
In the meantime I've found on youtube another release of the album which includes 9 additional tracks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20V9w0XimOE - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20V9w0XimOE I didn't hear this very folky track before.
Francesca has published her bio, but it's not on Amazon and the only place where I've found it is the Australian national library
http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/3066396 - http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/3066396
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: August 23 2010 at 05:13
I've just found this sad new....
Lisa is dead now - sadly. She was a friend whom I lost touch with in the late 70's. She played me the music then, but said that Nick Mason had the rights, and didn't want to release it
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: August 23 2010 at 08:03
This is the new version of the bio. I think I have found all the relevant information.
**************************************************************************************************** It all started around 1963 when two Beatles groupies, Lisa Bankoff (piano) and Francesca Garnett (vocals) decided to start writing their own songs.
After having a tape refused by EMI in 1965, they went to Rome where both their mothers were living. There they recorded a tape of own songs but it remained into a cassette until they came back to UK in 1967.
It was in Rome, in May 1968, that they had the opportunity to approach Nick Mason while the Pink Floyd were taking part to a festival. Back to UK, Nick Mason offered to become their manager with David Gilmour as producer.
With Nick Mason as manager the two girls signed off a contract with Blue Morgan and assembled a band including Ian Milne on keyboards and two unknown musicians. The band didn't last long so they had to hire the instrumentist through melody maker. After some changes in the lineup, when they were recording the album, the label closed down. Nick Mason tried a deal with Atlantic, but the band rapidly disbanded.
Lisa Bankoff wrote: "The project fell to pieces mainly because I had a car accident shortly after the recordings were finished and couldn't walk for a couple of years. Our producer was called Mal Luker."
Almost all of those musicians appear in the album lineup: MAL LUKER (The Smoke) who is currently a successful producer in films industry (OST of Pirates of Caribbean), the bassist NICK SOUTH (Alexis Korner), the guitarist BOB WESTON, the drummer Roy Temro and the appearance of NICK MASON and RICK WRIGHT.
Atlantic declined its interest, then later Bob Weston joined the Fleetwood Mac.
There was a brief reunion in 1975 but nothing more happened until 1980 when ten survived tracks were discovered in the Morgan's archives during a project for reissues. The tape was remastered from a cassette copy, but it remained in the archives only to be rediscovered in 2001, year of the final release of their album.
A couple of tracks feature Nick Mason and Rick Wright. The album was released 32 years after being recorded. All their music, except those 10 tracks seemed lost forever, but 9 more tracks have been resumed somewhere and included in a later edition of the album. It's not official, but it looks like one of the reasons why the tracks remained unreleased was that Nick Mason was owning the rights and didn't allow the material to be published. This is what a Lisa's friend says.
FRANCESCA and LISA wrote a book about their life in London during the late '60s / early '70s called "Making It! Famous Names and Silly Girls". A copy is in the Australian National Library (Lisa moved to Perth).
ROY TEMRO and LISA BANKOFF are now dead (RIP).
The music of Chimera is influenced by the British psychedelia of late 60s with folky elements mainly in the high-pitch voices and the use of acoustic guitars. With a bit more luck, they could have been predecessors to bands like Fairport Convention.
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Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: August 23 2010 at 08:24
^ Sad to hear the news. The music she created lives though with this record.
I can assist with the inclusion technically if you won't do it with some other collabs.
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Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 04:33
Good work, Oct.
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