Mike Oldfield vs. Mikael Åkerfeldt
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Topic: Mike Oldfield vs. Mikael Åkerfeldt
Posted By: paganinio
Subject: Mike Oldfield vs. Mikael Åkerfeldt
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 08:57
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new age vs. metal? Are you kidding? Shouldn't Mikael win this by 300 votes already? I guess there are plenty of metal haters on the forum as well. We'll see. Chart-wise: Mikael Åkerfeldt has at least 4 albums in the top 100: The Human Equation (vocals), Still Life, BP, Ghost Reveries, and a couple Opeth albums not far behind. Mike Oldfield seems to have 2 albums in the top 100, and a third album not far behind. Who looks cooler?
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Posted By: angelmk
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 09:06
Åkerfeldt will win. if not by 300, at least by 50 votes  ------------- www.last.fm/user/angelmk 
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Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 09:36
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It looks funny at first, but after it could be serious!
I like Opeth in some their works, and I like Oldfield in his early ( before new age) works. Anyway,voted for Opeth.
By the way, where are Jackson fans?
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Posted By: paganinio
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 10:35
currently the score is 1-9, for every Oldfield fan there are 9 Opeth fan(boy)s 
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 10:58
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Jackson. Neither of the other guys have made anything as brilliant as Thriller. Seriously, Ååkke would've been a good pick as well but MJ deserved at least one vote. ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA! 
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Posted By: TheCaptain
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 11:05
Whoa whoa whoa. It's far too early to be making such outrageous claims. Anyway, I voted for Oldfield. Amarok is my favorite album and has been since I discovered it a few months ago. Ommadawn is also a 5 star work while Tubular Bells, Hergest Ridge and Songs From Distant Earth are all great. I don't care that he made Earth Moving, he still made some of the best music out there. Also, I don't like Opeth, therefore I don't like Mikael at all. Unfortunately Mikael will win by a landslide for some reason that is beyond me. ------------- Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal. |
paganinio wrote:Posted By: bsms810
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 12:01
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Mikael all the way...after all he penned ghost reveries ------------- 'when was the last time you had a girlfriend?' 'I dont look at it as when, I look at it as who...and why' - David Brent |
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 12:23
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If it's just the looks, I give it to Akerfeldt, but quite frankly he looks like a stuffed-shirt so full of himself he can't see past his moustache, and I'm being nice when I say it that way. I rather like the contemplative, rainy day look of Oldfield on the Ommadawn cover. M.J. just looks freaky.
If it's the music, that's another thing altogether. And shouldn't a progger be ashamed to vote on basis of looks anyway?
I think the line drawn here will be mostly between fans of metal and fans of what the Archives calls Crossover Prog. Presence on the top 100 is little different than any other such list - it is a matter of current popularity and nothing more. Mariah Carey now has more #1 singles than the Beatles. Does this make her better? And she is certainly better looking than any of the Beatles, although Akerfeldt seems to think he's prettier. I have heard nothing by Akerfeldt and Opeth that is nearly as visionary as what Oldfield has done. If we want to list instruments and what not, Oldfield has it by a mile. Here is the simplified list from Amarok: guitars of various kinds and styles, bazouki, mandolin, ukelele, glockenspiel, marimba, bagpipes, percussions, penny and other kinds of whistles, spoons, kalimba, bass, piano, occasional synths. This is not to mention the vocals he has performed elswhere, or his composing and song-writing. He had to hire extra musicians to finish Tubular Bells because he had so many edits of his own perfermances the master tape fell apart. He has gone through many stages as an artist; Opeth has evolved somewhat, but not that much. Everybody should listen to what they enjoy, no problem there, but in this poll, Oldfield is the man. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: The Sleepwalker
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 12:53
| I don't care much for Mike Oldfield. Opeth is one of my favorite modern bands though, and Mikael Akerfeldt has written some great music. Mikael gets the vote. |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 12:59
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Akerfeldt is great, but Oldfield is better.
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 14:20
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I'd take Mikael Akerfeldt over almost any musician in existence besides Neal Morse. ------------- 
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 14:38
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Oldfield for me, though Akerfeldt is very talented. I have almost all Oldfield's albums, and QE2, Five Miles Out and Discovery are amongst my favourites, though I know a lot of prog fans prefer his first 3. His guitar playing is marvellous. I f*****g hate Michael Jackson with a passion (and for his music alone). He could dance, but his music is utter s***e. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 14:41
| Oldfield by miles. |
Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 15:31
| Oldfield, I just can't listen to Opeth anymore. |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 15:58
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Oldfield is good at what he does; but what he does is stock material. Perhaps not where rock was concerned, though. Surely, Tubular Bells was quite popular at the time due to The Exorcist film featuring it, but had it not been for that, would that song have launched Oldfield into real stardum? Honestly, I can't think of one Oldfield tune that stands out as truly brilliant, where as plenty of Opeth songs get that score from me. Of course, this is all about taste, but I like Akerfeldt is a better songwriter, anyway. That's what matters most to me. |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 17:23
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Vote for the Ommadawn man -------------  |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 17:45
Michaelangelo  no joking, i like Opeth very much and Mikael Åkerfelt is very goof (är jättebra) on svedish verry good singer, composer, guitaris and GROWLER ROAR (i dont think his microphone kabel is plugged in to the mixing table but to Hells Abyss i only have Tubular Belles so cant vote |
Posted By: progmatic
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 19:09
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I think Michael Jackson looks exactly like one of those Roswell aliens. ------------- PROGMATIC |
Posted By: Anthony
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 19:11
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Anyone who calls Mike Oldfield's music "new age", while he only made one album in that 'style' (namely "The songs of distant earth") can't be taken seriously.
------------- Future prosperity lies in the way you heal the world with love (Introitus - The hand that feeds you) |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 19:11
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Akerfeldt by a large margin. I'll never understand MJs treatment as a great pop musician. He has some great pop songs, but his career as a whole is nothing special in my opinion. Oldfield is pretty bland. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 19:33
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Oldfield doesn't growl.
Now seriously, Mike Oldfield is a classic with at least 4 fantastic albums.
Iván
Edit; Isn't qualifying Mike Oldfield as New Age an attempt of manipulation?  ------------- 
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Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 20:25
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Paganinio I'm not a metal hater I just hate the cookie monster growls on Opeth albums:) I would listen to Opeth if not for the vocals which destroy it for me. Besides there are few people in music period who are as talented as Mike Oldfield! ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 20:30
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Michael Jackson
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Posted By: bsms810
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 22:01
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i hated the growls at first.... but for some reason i cant explain i now like them...as long as they are used appropriately. take the beginning of 'the baying of the hounds'....that would not work as anything other than growls for me these days. I mean he isnt writing in growls for the sake of it, the songs are designed and written like that for a reason, so you have to take them for how they are imo ------------- 'when was the last time you had a girlfriend?' 'I dont look at it as when, I look at it as who...and why' - David Brent |
Posted By: zachfive
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 22:19
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I was listening to Amarok on my way home from work today so voting was pretty easy. Oldfield, hands down. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: November 07 2009 at 10:13
I believe your expectations were exagerated, the fight is close.
BTW: The people who like Oldfield more is not vnecesarilly Metal haters, and BTW: Oldfiekld is not a New Age artist, Tubular bells is a classic album as well as Amarok and Omadawn....Saying Oldfield is a New Age artist is klike saying Wakeman is also.
Plus Oldfield is a complete muti-instrumentaluist, to a level few artists can't even dream.
Iván
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Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: November 07 2009 at 12:40
so, 29/29 for a moment! Once again, I believe that Oldfield and Opeth are too different, but great in their own fields. And I agree, that it's naive to think, that heavy metal heads will vote against Oldfield till victory. Just dont's think that people older than 15 could be metal heads at all ( I am not speaking about serious heavy music lovers, as myself  ). So, it's not sport. If you love music, you usually love any good music.
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: November 07 2009 at 12:55
| Let's see: Classic 70s artist vs. some modern nobody... umm, the choice is obvious. |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: November 07 2009 at 14:51
Let's see: Classic Modern asrtist vs. some 70's nobody... umm, the choice is obvious  -------------
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Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: November 07 2009 at 18:01
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Just want to reply to last two reviews:
I don't think, that most important question is are you "classic" ( who told, that Oldfield is classic?), or modern. Most important question is what is your music for a moment. I voted for Opeth, because they are one of rare really important MODERN band in prog-rock. I like some Oldfield works as well, but his time is gone long ago, and even few hist best works are questionable classics.But for sure, who knows, what all we will think about today's Opeth music. Time will show.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: November 07 2009 at 19:16
Lets see, Mike Olfield was 19 when he went to Richard Branson and tod him "I want to record an album in which I play all the instruments".
Richard Branson was creating a label (Virgin Records) and he requuired a great artist...He took the risk and wasn't disappointed, the kid made an outstanding album that made of Virgin Records an important label.
Willian Friedkin was making a movie (The Exorcist) and wanted the perfect theme, he had listened many themes, but he only required a listen of Tubular Bells and went for it.
I believe Mike Oldfield was one of the first Progressive Artists to receive recognition by the critic and public in USA for Tubular Bells.
When he reached N° 1 uuin UK, he took tthe place from Hergest Ridge by........Mike Oldfield, who along with The Beatles and Bob Dylan is the only artist who displaced himself from N° 1.
Aren't this enough reasons to consider him a classic?
Iván -------------
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: November 07 2009 at 19:45
Asrtist indeed. No such thing as a modern classic. |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: November 07 2009 at 21:33
So what? The question was not which musician has been around longer; the question was which one do you prefer -------------
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Posted By: bsms810
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 02:44
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poor MJ ------------- 'when was the last time you had a girlfriend?' 'I dont look at it as when, I look at it as who...and why' - David Brent |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 03:12
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Tough poll because I don't particularly care of either of the three but don't dislike any of them either. I haven't gone beyond Tubular Bells and I wasn't blown away by it but I still liked it more than Opeth or Michael Jackson. And I am no snob hating on a pop phenomenon because I am in awe of Jackson's voice and while I don't really like the music, it's infinitely better than the current crop, at least it was invigorating. Opeth....decent band but I get bored of them rather too often for my liking. When I want growls in my prog I will listen to Univers Zero.
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 03:13
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Tough poll because I don't particularly care of either of the three but don't dislike any of them either. I haven't gone beyond Tubular Bells and I wasn't blown away by it but I still liked it more than Opeth or Michael Jackson. And I am no snob hating on a pop phenomenon because I am in awe of Jackson's voice and while I don't really like the music, it's infinitely better than the current crop, at least it was invigorating. Opeth....decent band but I get bored of them rather too often for my liking. When I want growls in my prog I will listen to Univers Zero.
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Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 04:02
| Great result 34/34 for the moment. I think the idea to compare "classic"with "modern metal" is not interesting but itself, because there are too many marginal moments in poll, not only music. It's pity, but it's life. |
Posted By: The Sleepwalker
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 04:50
Come on J-Man, don't you know all music made after '89 is crap?
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 05:28
| I voted for Good Ol'Oldfield, but only because of a natural reflex. Anyway, I think this poll is just another twisted poll about oranges VS. apples. |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 05:35
------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 05:36
They sound good. ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA!
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Posted By: papaatto
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 09:43
| Anyone who has listened to Tubular Bells also knows that Oldfield can growl pretty well. |
Posted By: bsms810
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 09:49
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@ Lucas, like i said some parts of opeth songs are written for growls , and it just wouldnt work with clean singing (see my example of the intro to 'the Baying of the Hounds'). Same with death metal. If some1 were to come up to me and just growl then no i probably wouldnt like it, but if its an integral part of a song i love, then of course im going to like it. If some of my fave opeth songs exchanged the small parts of growling to clean then it would change the song and make them worse in my opinion. Too much growling and growling for the sake of it gets on my tits, thats why im not a big fan of bands like Immortal and cradle of filth, because there isnt really much clean singing at all. ------------- 'when was the last time you had a girlfriend?' 'I dont look at it as when, I look at it as who...and why' - David Brent |
Posted By: bsms810
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 09:51
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im going to go and listen to some Opeth ------------- 'when was the last time you had a girlfriend?' 'I dont look at it as when, I look at it as who...and why' - David Brent |
Posted By: bsms810
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 09:53
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side note: as far as growls go, Akerfelt does a bloody good one...if you like that sort of thing ------------- 'when was the last time you had a girlfriend?' 'I dont look at it as when, I look at it as who...and why' - David Brent |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 10:13
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Things are taking it's right place
But still can change.
Iván -------------
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 10:25
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First, I was serious. Then, I growled. |
Posted By: splyu
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 10:29
| My ranking: 1. Oldfield, 2. Jackson, 3. Åkerfeldt. All are good, but Åkerfeldt is the least best. |
Posted By: splyu
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 10:30
Indeed. He does it in Five Miles Out, too. |
Posted By: splyu
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 10:37
Sorry for the triple post, but I want to say: Indeed! Mike is my favourite but I'm actually a metal fan, including extreme metal. Only Opeth aren't among my favourite metal bands.
Again, indeed! Mike does have a few new age albums, but that only started in the mid-90s. And by no means everything he did since then has been new age either. Before that, not at all. |
Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 12:33
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At least someone remember 'bout Jackson and even put him at second place! So, it looks Michael is more proggy than Opeth in some places of the world
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Posted By: absolute
Date Posted: November 09 2009 at 16:37
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This is a poll? Count me info for Oldfield. "Oldfield is good at what he does; but what he does is stock material." No disrespect to Opeth/Akerfeldt, but it's a very bad comparison- Oldfield's composed in more styles than almost anyone labeled 'prog', everything from Incantations to Songs of Distant Earth can hardly be labelled "stock" in any sense. And honestly I don't find everything Oldfield does as memorable or fantastic- but he has far more accolades than any more modern composer / artist. |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: November 09 2009 at 17:09
That's an opinion; not a fact. Opeth mixes Folk, Jazz, Classic Rock and Metal all the time in their music; not to mention the fact that their music is far superior to many in terms of technical prowess and composition. You say no modern composer or artist can match Oldfeild, I say different. Big time. |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: November 09 2009 at 17:21
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: November 09 2009 at 17:29
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Absolute are right in what Oldfield have done, he truly composes in more styles that many prog rock bands, and the fact is in the albums themselves.
And p0mt3 i'm curious to know what other modern artist can do what Oldfield have done? ------------- |
Posted By: cronholm
Date Posted: November 10 2009 at 02:41
But seriously, how can Oldfield be ahead in this poll? Is the world going mad?  ------------- Open your eyes, it's full of surprise, everyone lies, like the fox on the rocks, and the musical box. |
Posted By: splyu
Date Posted: November 10 2009 at 08:40
You people who say that really crack me up. Are you even really familiar with Mike's work? Ommadawn? Amarok? Incantations? |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: November 10 2009 at 10:21
It pisses me more, because of the arrogance that it implies.
I don't care if we are comparing a good with a bad artist according to me, each person is entitled to his/her own taste.
Why must we vote for Akerfeld or be mad?
Can't each one of us decide who is better?
For God's sake, a bit of respect for te taste of each one of us.
Iván -------------
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Posted By: paganinio
Date Posted: November 11 2009 at 04:53
| I read the above replies, and decide to apologize. My original post was horribly biased towards Mikael. Actually it was part of my strategy: I intentionally called Oldfield "new age", and said he would lose by 500 votes. That's mean. I did so because I wanna enrage the Oldfield fans and make them vote for Oldfield. That's my endgame. But it wasn't the right thing to do. Sorry. |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: November 11 2009 at 05:56
Well hey, it takes guts to admit something like that. Thanks! |
Posted By: Qboyy007
Date Posted: November 11 2009 at 06:28
Dear god, the narrow mindedness and absolute ignorance of some people is astounding. Anyways, Arkfeldt here, Oldfield is typical overrated classic prog. ------------- Hay Budday |
Posted By: Wizard/TRueStar
Date Posted: November 11 2009 at 08:34
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Mikael Jacksonfeldt
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: November 11 2009 at 10:35
And you said this until NOW????
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: November 11 2009 at 12:27
Why do they have to do exactly what Oldfield has done in order to match or even surpass him musically? I think people such as Mikael Akerfeldt, Steven Wilson, Jeff Martin, Adam Jones, The fellas in Indukti, Meshuggah, Cynic, etc. are all better songwriters than Oldfield. They may not use the exact same methods or instruments as he does, but that doesn't mean they can't be as good or better. You can of course argue this, but my main point here is that this is all opinion, and nothing more. I just proved that point not once, but now twice. Any rebuttal you give will just be a different opinion than mine, and therefore cannot contradict it. Is that really so hard for folks to understand? |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: November 11 2009 at 12:46
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Posted By: splyu
Date Posted: November 12 2009 at 05:42
I have a feeling the Oldfield fans would have voted for Oldfield anyway. |
Posted By: mohaveman
Date Posted: November 17 2009 at 14:32
| Go Oldfield~ |
Posted By: StrangerByTheMinute
Date Posted: December 02 2009 at 01:26
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Wow... hard question................ Opeth is my second favorite band, but Oldfield is amazing. Ommadawn is one of my favorite albums. I'll vote for both :)
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Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: December 02 2009 at 01:56
I agree with you 1000% I had known Mike music for years but nothing had caught my attention like Opeth's music and I am not a Death Metal fan. However, Mikael is a revolutionary and a genius.  Progressive Metal Celebration. Opeth had been a great influence to create this collage. Opeth sections:  ------------- http://darksideofcollages.blogspot.com/ http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/ https://www.facebook.com/pages/Darksideof-Collages/ |
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: December 02 2009 at 02:16
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Oldfield is legendary and a pioneer in so many ways. Opeth is fabulous but not yet a legend and certainly no pioneer . ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: Blackwater Floyd
Date Posted: December 03 2009 at 12:44
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At first I didn't think it fair to vote in this pole, because I only listened to Tubular bells by Mike Oldfield, whilst I've listened To ALL of Opeth's works, but, What the hell...the two of them are awesome musicians.
Ps. Voted for Akerfeldt (as expected
)posthumous mention for MJ.
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Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: December 07 2009 at 22:44
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Akerfeldt should walk away with this one. But there does seem to be a lot of Oldfield fans out there voting on this poll. Comparing their musicianship, both are great players and songwriters. Mikael has one of the best clean singing voices in rock. Growls? Akerfeldt growls much better (but Oldfield's growls on Tubular Bells, part 2 are very entertaining to listen to as well! ) I'l go for Mikael. But I like Oldfield as well. MJ never did anything for me. ------------- Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while... |
Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: December 07 2009 at 22:48
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Darksideof, might I say, those are great collages you have there! ------------- Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while... |
Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: December 07 2009 at 22:52
You need to listen to Tubular Bells, part 2 again! ------------- Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while... |