FoxNews' Glenn Beck
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Topic: FoxNews' Glenn Beck
Posted By: crimhead
Subject: FoxNews' Glenn Beck
Date Posted: October 24 2009 at 12:39
| Random ramblings about someone who jerks my chain. I find it amazing that people buy into his crap. |
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: October 24 2009 at 12:46
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I used to think he was OK 3 years ago. He was on MSNBC or something then. Now, he's a nutter. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: October 24 2009 at 12:46
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who's Glenn Beck?
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: October 24 2009 at 13:05
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Nice cheapshot poll here
Where's the Keith Olbermann poll? -------------  Time always wins. |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: October 24 2009 at 13:15
| He's what happens when insanity (medical) meets insanity (political) meets insanity (media). |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: October 24 2009 at 13:18
Feel free to do a KO poll, but why stop there. We can do a Rush Limbaugh,Hannity,Savage,O'Reilly,Maddow,Matthews,Alan Colmes....... |
manofmystery wrote:Posted By: TheCaptain
Date Posted: October 24 2009 at 13:24
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I say he was a reasonably sensible person who eventually became power/money hungry and amped up his somewhat decent views to a crazy level.
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: October 24 2009 at 13:31
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http://glennbeckrapedandmurderedayounggirlin1990.com/ - http://glennbeckrapedandmurderedayounggirlin1990.com/
Really makes you think.... ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: October 24 2009 at 13:54
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: October 24 2009 at 13:58
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My biggest problem with Beck is he's too damn smug to be taken too seriously. He sometimes even acts like a two-year-old on his show, which of course can be amusing. And his "tribute" to Obama on the President's birthday was uncalled for. When it comes to pundits and political talk, give me Huckabee. Or Bill.  ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 24 2009 at 14:01
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Aside from cartoons and commentary from my evil liberal overlords I can honestly say I don't bother with him.
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: October 24 2009 at 15:48
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I say a combo of 1 and 3. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: October 24 2009 at 19:09
(Also, why isn't "bat-crap insane" one of the selections?)
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: October 24 2009 at 20:04
Ah, the man who hates the families of 9/11 survivors...
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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: October 24 2009 at 21:10
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Total cheap shot I swear to God, I've always found him very entertaining, (feel free to make a cheap shot on my comments, just lay off Beck) ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: October 24 2009 at 21:12
Oh to add on, what's really entertaining on Foxnews is Dennis Miller on O'Reilly  ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 24 2009 at 21:27
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^ Miller on O'Reilly is must-watch TV.. Glenn Beck is a penis that can talk. |
Posted By: TheCaptain
Date Posted: October 25 2009 at 00:45
I hear you are the AntiChrist. I have yet to see proof you aren't and therefore you are. That is Glenn Beck logic and it is the reason no one should feel bad about taking "cheap shots" at him. ------------- Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal. |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: October 25 2009 at 08:48
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Both sides have their clowns. What is most worrisome to me is the extent to which "entertainment news" has supplanted quality, dry, reasonably objective journalism....and the extent to which the public buys into it. Beck and Olbermann, Hannity, Rachel Maddow, Michael Moore, talk radio, or the ladies on The View. It's all mostly entertainment, and many consider this stuff their primary news source. I think that's a problem. Viewed in context these programs are fine, but their domination is a sign the country has some problems in our delivery and consumption of facts we can count on to make decisions. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: October 25 2009 at 09:00
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Excellent point Jim. In fact, I get my news mostly from The Onion, which is just as reliable as most of these media outlets. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: October 25 2009 at 09:48
Well said  ------------- -------someone please tell him to delete this line, he looks like a noob------- I don't have an unnatural obsession with Disney Princesses, I have a fourteen year old daughter and coping mechanisms. |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: October 25 2009 at 09:56
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I have a question for you guys outside the US. Do you have the same polarized punditry that we have here? Are your "voices of news" dominated by left and right screaming with few quality sources for centrist voices, for fairly objective reporting? Or is this largely a US phenom? I'm truly interested, since I don't have cable, I never get to watch foreign news outside of the occasional BBC report. |
Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: October 25 2009 at 10:14
This guy agrees.
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: October 25 2009 at 16:08
In Australia, we have one particular program, which although relatively unbiased and reliable for new, is still very plasticated... Although we do have SBS - An international channel, which is really good and very informative. It runs pretty independently, and never really seems to be attempting to propagandize or intimidate anyone. EDIT: I'll also add that since Kevin Rudd became PM here, all the news shows have become ~trendy left wing Labor supporters~. -------------
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Posted By: The Sleepwalker
Date Posted: October 25 2009 at 16:21
The broadcasting here in the Netherlands is pretty balanced I think, although it tends to be a little more left than right. The news on the public channels is really good and objective I think, as the reporters and whoever has a major role in creating the news never really adds their own opinion to it. The news on the commercial channels is much more "entertainment" based, with lots of opinions by reporters in the form of laughing and useless chatting. The political system here is very different from the US one. We have a lot of political parties, all with their own views on society, and they all get several minutes every day to show their own "commercial". Also, every Tuesday a debate can be seen live on the public channels. We don't have anything here that comes even close to Fox news. Though I don't know Fox that well, I've only seen a documentary about it... which was not very positive.
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Posted By: LinusW
Date Posted: October 25 2009 at 18:10
Pretty much the same here. But conservative media isn't much of a force in Sweden. At all. We basically have liberal vs. socialist media nowadays, which pretty much sums up the mainstream political climate here. |
Posted By: LinusW
Date Posted: October 25 2009 at 18:16
Even commercial news are pretty objective. The less serious the channel, the more entertainment news though. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 26 2009 at 08:52
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I think we can count the Daily Show and Colber Repor as news. You are likely better informed than the typical Fox News viewer. v v v |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: October 26 2009 at 13:03
| I honestly don't ever watch the news, unless you count the occasional Daily Show/Colbert Report as news. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 06:32
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http://politicalhumor.about.com/ - http://politicalhumor.about.com/ 1. "This president I think has exposed himself over and over again as a guy who has a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture....I'm not saying he doesn't like white people, I'm saying he has a problem. This guy is, I believe, a racist." –on President Obama, sparking an advertiser exodus from his FOX News show, July 28, 2009 ( http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/29/politics/main5195604.shtml - Source ) 2. "I'm thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I'm wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. ... No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out. Is this wrong? I stopped wearing my What Would Jesus -- band -- Do, and I've lost all sense of right and wrong now. I used to be able to say, 'Yeah, I'd kill Michael Moore,' and then I'd see the little band: What Would Jesus Do? And then I'd realize, 'Oh, you wouldn't kill Michael Moore. Or at least you wouldn't choke him to death.' And you know, well, I'm not sure." –responding to the question "What would people do for $50 million?", "The Glenn Beck Program," May 17, 2005 ( http://mediamatters.org/research/200505180008 - Source ) 3. "When I see a 9/11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh shut up' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining." –"The Glenn Beck Program," Sept. 9, 2005 ( http://mediamatters.org/items/200509090003 - Source ) 4. "The only [Katrina victims] we're seeing on television are the scumbags." –"The Glenn Beck Program," Sept. 9, 2005 ( http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200509090003 - Source ) 5. "I think there is a handful of people who hate America. Unfortunately for them, a lot of them are losing their homes in a forest fire today." –on why people who lost their homes in forest fires in California had it coming, "The Glenn Beck Program," Oct. 22, 2007 ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/10/22/cnns-glenn-beck-a-handful_n_69432.html - Source ) 6. "I have been nervous about this interview with you because what I feel like saying is, 'Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies. ... And I know you're not. I'm not accusing you of being an enemy, but that's the way I feel, and I think a lot of Americans will feel that way." –interviewing Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN), the first Muslim U.S. congressman, Glen Beck's show on CNN's Headline News, Nov. 14, 2006 ( http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200611150004 - Source ) 7. "Al Gore's not going to be rounding up Jews and exterminating them. It is the same tactic, however. The goal is different. The goal is globalization...And you must silence all dissenting voices. That's what Hitler did. That's what Al Gore, the U.N., and everybody on the global warming bandwagon [are doing]." –"The Glenn Beck Program," May 1, 2007 ( http://mediamatters.org/research/200705010003 - Source ) 8. "So here you have Barack Obama going in and spending the money on embryonic stem cell research. ... Eugenics. In case you don't know what Eugenics led us to: the Final Solution. A master race! A perfect person. ... The stuff that we are facing is absolutely frightening." –"The Glenn Beck Program," March 9, 2009 ( http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/09/beck-eugenics/ - Source ) 9. "You have the artwork of Mussolini there, here in New York at Rockefeller Plaza." –analyzing the artwork decorating Rockefeller Plaza, which he said contained a hammer and sickle, Glenn Beck show on FOX News Channel, Sept. 2, 2009 ( http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200909020037 - Source ) 10. "O-L-I-G-A-R-H-Y." –misspelling "oligarchy" on his chalk board while claiming he had deciphered a secret code that he said was proof President Obama was trying to create an "Oligarhy," Aug. 27, 2009, Glenn Beck show on FOX News Channel ( http://politicalhumor.about.com/b/2009/09/02/glenn-becks-oligarhy-spelling-misadventure.htm - Source ) Bonus Quote "You know, we all have our inner demons. I, for one – I can't speak for you, but I'm on the verge of moral collapse at any time. It can happen by the end of the show." –"The Glenn Beck Program," Nov. 6, 2006 ( http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1856787/is_glenn_beck_crazy_or_is_it_all_an.html?cat=9 - Source ) Funny Quotes About Glenn Beck "Satan's mentally challenged younger brother." –Stephen King, writing in "Entertainment Weekly" ( http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20008933,00.html - Source ) "Finally, a guy who says what people who aren't thinking are thinking." –Jon Stewart, on the "The Daily Show" ( http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200611180006 - Source ) "The comfort of today's mythical homespun aw-shucks-TV-totalitarian-Lonesome-Rhodes Glenn Beck is that everyday he gives away the essential truth that he is an idiot." –Keith Olbermann, on "Countdown With Keith Olbermann" ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/01/keith-olbermann-destroys_n_274109.html - Source ) "Even the leather-winged shouting heads at Fox News look like intellectual giants next to this bleating, benighted Cassandra. It's like someone found a manic, doom-prophesying hobo in a sandwich board, shaved him, shot him full of Zoloft and gave him a show." -- Buffalo Beast, naming Beck in its annual list of the 50 Most Loathsome People in America ( http://www.buffalobeast.com/113/50_most_loathsome_2006.htm - Source ) ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: November 02 2009 at 15:46
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I don't know why people get so offended by jokes and hyperbole they can't pick up. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 09:45
Here in Guatemala -and as I know, it applies to the rest of Central and South America- the media is too shy to accept a position between left and right, but they aloud programs in both directions... some rich guys buy air time and makes a heavy "right" aproach to everything, while trying to be objective, the media always give space to "left" guys who get entertain only by bashing the right and the rich all the time... that would be ok, I mean, we as society can choose and take decisions and learn a lot by seeing them both, but the people has no personal opinion, so they bassically go with whatever stupid idea they see on both programs... but I have to tell you, there's no central choices here, just those who are afraid that maybe they can get a job on or influences depending who is on power, so we don't have politicians properly, just a bunch of guys and girls that are waiting who is on the lead to get on the bus... politics really makes me sick... and I'm liberal, by the way... ------------- |
Posted By: TheCaptain
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 16:04
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Jon Stewart did a fantastic parody of Glenn Beck last night. The video is http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-november-5-2009/the-11-3-project - here for people in the USA and I am told (by an unverified source) that this should work for international viewers. http://%20addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/967 - http://%20addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/967 - http://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/967 then: 1) In Firefox, Go to tools->modify headers 2) From the drop down box on the left select add 3) Then enter: "X-Forwarded-For" in the first input box without the quotation marks 4) Enter: "12.13.14.15" in the second input box without the quotation marks 5) Leave the last input box empty, and save the filter, and enable it http://imgur.com/Feb4.png - http://imgur.com/Feb4.png 6) Click the 'Configuration' tab on the right then proceed to check the 'always on' button. Close the Modify Headers box and it should work. ------------- Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 16:06
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Ugh...my roomie has it on right now. Time to put on my biggest headphones, and blast the music |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: November 20 2009 at 17:57
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I drove by Barnes & Noble today and people were lined up outside the store. Police were a policin' and protesters were a protestin'. I found a distant parking space at a Chick-fil-A, walked in, and about five minutes later folks were chanting his name. Glenn Beck was there signing his new book. I have concluded that politically loud people of either side and in large groups are highly annoying. I should have shouted some bizarre liberal sentiments and gotten myself booed or arrested. I could have done so with a copy of Mein Kampf in my hand, but they were blocked off. Seriously. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: November 20 2009 at 18:44
He always talks like that though, and people take what he says at face value, so I'm having trouble seeing it as hyperbole. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: November 20 2009 at 18:59
| Ugh . . . I hate this man. Why are we even TALKING about him? |
Posted By: Synchestra
Date Posted: November 30 2009 at 05:36
 (not that i should be complaining).
Just wondering, is Glenn Beck much more than the way hes portrayed in those two shows? I realise they take his worst times and post them as his normal behaviour but still... Some of the crazy I've seen from him is astounding ------------- 'Yeah, thats.. Whatever you're talking about for ya' - Zapp brannigan |
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: November 30 2009 at 12:07
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Entertainment is not always entertaining. Beck is a classic example of American bi-polarism , republican vs Democrat, white vs black , fascist vs communist, christian vs whatever. But have we all forgotten that all these idiots are scripted and are nothing more than controversial puppets ? This is not reality, its propaganda and all in the name of ratings. ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 30 2009 at 12:16
I prefer to think of us as amnesiotic, amanesiosiac, uh whatever, I forgot. 
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: November 30 2009 at 12:53
Wasn't there just a "big" controversy over the people responsible for 9-11 being put on trial in NY? Anyways, it made no sense to me. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 30 2009 at 13:09
You want to make sense of it? Anything the Obama administration is bad, anything the W Bush administration is good. It doesn't really matter if there is any continuation of policies. The W Bush administration dropped the ball despite being handed a good one by the Clinton administration. Attacking Iraq was more important than dealing with the real terrorist threat that was at hand. And I really get pissed off at those who think these suspects of terrorism can't be given a fair trial here. And New York will suddenly become a terrorist target. Since when did it cease to be one???  |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: November 30 2009 at 13:12
So Obama trying to change things is bad, but Bush was good? I don't understand.  |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: November 30 2009 at 13:15
Those idiots! Don't they understand it's the complete opposite!! |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 30 2009 at 13:22
No it isn't, yes it is, no it isn't, yes it is. Wait...what was the middle part?  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 12 2010 at 09:04
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Posted By: dude
Date Posted: April 12 2010 at 09:23
| Personally i think Glen Beck does have some interesting things to say and some things that need to be said but it often gets lost in a sea of histrionics and silly theatrics, i can take him in small doses. |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: April 12 2010 at 09:34
If you think anything Glenn Beck spouts on about 'needs to be said', you're either very misguided or very unaware. Either way, it's Neocon viewpoints, and they are becoming more and more prominent among the Right-Wing media and political figures. I can imagine the few sane Conservatives left are most likely embarrassed by people like Beck, because more and more people (especially Republicans) seem to buy into this guy's nonsense. What exactly does he say that you feel is worth talking about? I guarantee you that I'll be able to name anybody else who talks about the same stuff, and with actual sense and sanity applied.
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: April 12 2010 at 09:43
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He's just Michael Moore for the other side, no more, no less. Both men say some crazy things, and both make compelling points from time to time. Both are making a great living by riling people up. Both use facts creatively on occasion to make a point. Both sides have numerous pundits who combine entertainment with "news." The difference is, usually the lefties get a pass on their vitriol and crazy talk. When the righties do it, people convulse on the floor and foam at the mouth, crying racism and hate-speech, when most often both charges are totally false. The good news is that people are beginning to see through such tactics. There will always be a few haters on the fringes of the normal citizenry, but the haters are there on both sides, not just the right. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 12 2010 at 11:32
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France!!!! I gotta pee!!!!!
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: April 12 2010 at 11:34
Not that funny the first time, Slarty....you're slipping. Dig deeper man.
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Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: April 12 2010 at 19:14
| Watched Glenn beck today and cringed as he advocated the flat tax. The man is doing it for the money, of course, but his performance is one of a fascist who despises the working class and tries to label the Democrats as "the left" when they are as right as the republicans. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 12 2010 at 19:19
precisely-- decent person, reasonably smart, and not far off his interpretation of the Constitution. Further, his vitriol toward Obama is minor compared to Hannity or Limbaugh |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 20:42
First of all: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocon Look it up. It really annoys me how many people use that term without the slightest clue what it means. Beck is no neocon, he's a classical liberal. Second, apparently very few people in this thread have actually listened to Beck, because his attacks on George W. Bush for his reckless spending were vicious. Anyone who thinks he is a cheerleader for the Republican party has not listened to his show. Yes, he's an entertainer, not a journalist, and yes he uses insane stunts to get his point across, but given the ratings he pulls at five in the afternoon, I'd say it's working for him. Believe it or not, there are a fair chunk of Libertarian minded American's (like me!) who until very recently have had no public figures on their side. All I have to say is that it's sure refreshing to see so much of guys like Beck and Stossel nowadays. ------------- 
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 20:51
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^ I'd say he's more of an Americanist than a liberal |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 20:56
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I like that. Americanist. Good term, David
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 20:58
| thanks Jim, though I imagine it's been coined before |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 20:59
| America is a continent. |
Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:02
 I've been trying to explain that to some of my friends that "America" is not just a country. Unfortunately, in the U.S. it's common to think that we're the capital of the universe. As for Glenn Beck? Hate his guts.
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:05
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We understand that. There's also nothing wrong with us referring to ourselves as "Americans." Even Obama does it. "My fellow Americans" "The American people" et al. We don't refer to ourselves as "United Statians" or "North Americans" and we never will. Sorry. |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:08
| Thoughts like that keep glenn beck afloat. |
Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:08
your avatar is WAYYY too sexy, my friend. Please subdue it. [note: Finnforest's avatar is of the sexy actress who plays the alien on V] |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:09
interesting to hear from a generally conservative state ..I must say my distaste for Beck is dwarfed by the sickness I feel watching Hannity, and I think it's because he's such an utter moron. So is O'Reilly but at least Bill-O knows he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer, jokes about it and uses it to wide appeal. He's a pretty good debater as well. |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:13
What's wrong with it Walter. That's what we call ourselves here.....Americans. What should we call ourselves in your opinion? Sincerely. I'm not trying to offend you. Should the president say...."My fellow North Americans"......?? |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:14
and that wouldn't work either cause he isn't Canada's President |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:15
It's the United States of America, a federal republic of states in the continent known as America. Now, what about everyone else in America? Non-Americans? Un-American? Where does that place Glenn Beck and his divisive us-and-them diatribes? |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:18
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BTW I just voted 'paranoid', I think that best describes old Becko |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:19
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I'm simply telling you that people living in the USA, refer to themselves as "Americans" in conversation, without any second thought. Even liberals do. Nancy Pelosi, Michael Moore, and Barney Frank do it. Sorry you don't like it. |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:23
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I've been trying to explain this or years. No one seems to get it. Countries are referred to by the last word in their official name. Hence "the kingdom of Norway" is called "Norway" not "The Kingdom." The United States of Mexico is called Mexico and The United States of America is called America. The fact that North America is also a continent changes nothing.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:26
| good point, I rarely say the 'Russian Federation' either |
Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:29
If "good debater," you mean "shouts the loudest."
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:30
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Not as loud as Charlton Heston, God rest his soul.
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:30
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Exactly. People to the south or north can refer to themselves as Americans too if they wish. I don't care. But that's what we call ourselves and there's nothing wrong with it. When I hear a president start a speech with "My fellow United Statesians", then I guess the 400 million of us who say "Americans" better change our ways. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:32
I should have said he's a good mass debater |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:37
Actually, that makes the crucial difference. Mexico and Denmark are discrete units within America and Europe, whereas the US just gobbles up the entire continent with its name. |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:37
United Statesians would have to include Mexico then. (insert joke about illegal immigration that makes everyone mad)  -------------
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:40
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They're all just histrionic talking heads, looking for ratings. They have nothing to say of any matter. The only thing they actually believe in is that latest paycheck in the bank account, that next book deal, that next lecture tour. I can't and don't watch it very often; it makes me ill. Any of 'em, not just Beck, but Olberman, Coulter, and all of the other ranting fools of any ideological persuasion. They're all morons or idiots:
moron n. 1. A mentally retarded person, specificlaly one having a mental age between 7 and 12 years old or an intelligence quotient between 50 and 75.
idiot n. 1. A mentally deficient person, having intelligence in the lowest measurable range, being unable to guard against common dangers, and incapable of learning connected speech.
The same goes for Whoopie and her crew.
Gimme some truth. All I want is the truth. In fact, go listen to that song.
Gimme Walter Cronkite, who every night would just calmly, if somberly, give us the latest Viet Nam body count, show us the latest videos of blacks being blasted by fire hoses, and who occasionally would get just barely emotional, such as when reporting that four students had been gunned down by the Ohio National Guard at Kent State. And then he'd say, 'and that's the way it is.'
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:41
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It's just funny he believes that "keeps Glenn Beck afloat" when everyone in the GD country refers to ourselves that way, even the lefties. I'm still waiting to hear what we are supposed to call ourselves in casual conversation.....and at the start of presidential speeches.... Let's have it.... |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:46
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Maybe I'm a naive idealist, but is it so hard to believe that someone on TV actually has political convictions? Why does everyone assume that everyone is just in it for the money?
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:46
fair enough but you do know Cronkite was a major liberal, and became more so as Vietnam escalated. Nothing wrong with that, Chris Matthews - who I think is the finest journalist around - also has clear leanings |
Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:51
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:52
Edit: I apologize, that was a bit too rude. I don't wan't you thinking I'm a moron or idiot.
I think every person who goes into any job in politics, the media, the law, and many other professions...goes in as an idealist, thinking they can do good, and affect change, and that includes however they perceive 'good' and 'change'. Once inside their profession, after many years it almost invariably corrupts them, and this is particularly true of the media these days, I'd say. Do not kid yourself. It is all about ratings. Nielsen percentage points = $ in their pockets. Given the current state of the U.S., pandering to one or the other of the extremes = more viewers = more % Nielsen = more $ in their pockets = that book deal = that lecture tour. I do not doubt that they had sincerity at some point. I also do not doubt they have none now. ------------- Can you tell me where we're headin'? Lincoln County Road or Armageddon. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 22:55
How about Gringo Norte Americanos? Oceaneans???------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 22:58
Don't talk to me like I don't know what I'm talking about. I know what a Neocon is, and Beck is one, in my view. Disagree with me? FIne, but he's a clown who pretends to be a news man, and yes, that pisses me off a bit. If he did a show like Colbert or Stewart, I wouldn't have an issue with him, but he presents his talking points in a way that I find insincere. He doesn't consider himself a Neocon, but that makes no difference. His attitude shows otherwise. He actually claims to be a Libertarian, which is a laughable claim for him to make, I think. He can 'claim' to be anything he wants to be, but as long as he behaves like a Neocon, that's what I'm gonna call him. He's no different or better than Limbaugh or Hannity, and all three of these guys claim to be something other than what they are. To me, they are all cut from the same cloth. I listen to them enough to know what their general attitudes are like, so if you want to disagree with me, okay, but don't say that I am uninformed, alright? If I didn't have a clue, I wouldn't have even jumped into the debate. As for the Bush argument, when did I ever say that the man was 100% pro-Bush? All I said was that the right-wing has embraced Beck, and they have. Why? Because he compares Obama to Mao and Hitler. Not all the time, of course, but often enough for him to get attention. Yes, I agree that the stunts he pulls get him good ratings, but since when did good ratings automatically mean I should respect somebody? I never said he was a 'cheerleader' for the Republican party; you stuck those words in my mouth in an attempt to build your straw man. I consider myself a Libertarian as well, and Beck certainly doesn't speak for me. If you want to call him 'refreshing', go right ahead, but as far as I am concerned, 99% of the guys on televised news are all clowns, regardless of what channel they are on, what party they represent, or what philosophy they claim to follow. And yes, I include Beck in that. EDIT: Oh, why, look at this. I went to YouTube just now in search of some footage of Beck that supported my case, and look what came up right away in the search! But hey, I'm sure all that stuff was just 'quoted out of context', right?
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 23:04
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Actually, now that I think about it, maybe that was part of Cronkite's genius. Just put up a graphic of the Viet Nam body count every evening. Not get histrionic about it. Not actually comment about it one way or another. Just put up the factual graphic every night at 6:00 PM:Here's the number of your sons (and daughters? maybe not so much back then) killed and/or gone missing today or this week.
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 23:08
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 23:12
I didn't think you were rude. The winky makes it all okay -------------
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: April 14 2010 at 08:26
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I apologize for being a little sharp in my comments to you, JLocke.I was feeling a little testy and my post was unnecessarily rude. I'm used to dealing with idiots on youtube comments, and I sometimes forget that the people here actually know what they are talking about. I don't agree with you about Beck being a Neocon, but I can see you've done your homework and have good reasons for your opinions. Again, I apologize and I hope we can focus on celebrating our common belief in Libertarianism. -------------
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 14 2010 at 11:26
I can't believe I agree with Walterdigstunes but I do. Of course it's much simpler and "comfortable" to just say "America" but it takes up the name of an entire continent. There's no continent named Mexico or named Norway. A good way to call "americans" would be "citizens of the United States". But 5 words where 1 could do, oh that's so against "American" simplicity. Even I have been using that word  to refer to people in the US! It's so much easier... As always, it shows disdain for the rest of the world... There must be a reason why all countries of the continent decided to create a new OAS-style organization without the US... (well, there are MANY reasons, but the "love" the country generates in all other american countries certainly doesn't help). Anyway, Glenn Beck is a clown. We know that. All of us know he's an entertainer. But people with less insight and less education certainly don't. They think he's actually REAL. And that's the problem. Not everybody is as educated as a bunch of progressive rock fans... ------------- 
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: April 14 2010 at 11:45
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I don't think it shows disdain for the rest of the world. It's just what we call ourselves. The rest of the world apparently chooses to be offended over nothing. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 14 2010 at 11:47
^ Classy answer. Doesn't fix anything (not that we could anyway) but effective Anyway, it doesn't show disdain for the rest of the world, but only for those countries south of Rio Grande and North of the 5 lakes... -------------
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: April 14 2010 at 11:52
| What can I say? I find the issue to be one of the silliest, most frustrating "non-issues" I've ever come across. With all the problems we have, people are going to lose sleep about the term millions of people use to refer to themselves. It's insane. |
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Date Posted: April 14 2010 at 11:53
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: April 14 2010 at 11:55
Give him time, he's working on it
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: April 14 2010 at 12:23
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"Citizens of the United States" makes no sense because Mexico is also a "United States." I believe there are others as well.Until people start calling Liechtenstein "The Principality" I'm sticking with America. -------------
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 14 2010 at 12:50
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Ok, Ok.... You win. Can "Americans" at l;east accept the metric system? -------------
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Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: April 14 2010 at 12:52
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I think Glenn Beck has infected this topic, because the debate has gone from cliche, to just plain banal. Seriously, I don't give a crap if we call ourselves the Flying Satan Biscuits, good grief. Why quibble over semantics when there's a perfectly good Glenn Beck to argue about? :P
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: April 14 2010 at 13:11
NEVER! It will be rods and furlongs forever, along with hogsheads, drams, scruples and of course fathoms. -------------
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Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: April 14 2010 at 14:15
No thanks. We like our system of inches and gallons. |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: April 14 2010 at 14:37
Oh, that's okay. I'm sorry too, as I may have been a little too testy as well. It was late and I was tired, so I probably responded more harshly than I would have otherwise. Anyway, no harm done, and now we can both go back to defending our 'wacko' Libertarian viewpoints to others.
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