Sgt. Pepper Vs. Magical Mystery
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Topic: Sgt. Pepper Vs. Magical Mystery
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Subject: Sgt. Pepper Vs. Magical Mystery
Date Posted: October 07 2009 at 17:22
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Two albums that contribute at large the musical revolution of the 60's and in rock.
I know that many going to complain about that Magical is an EP, but i consider that a full LP.
Vote and discuss.
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: October 07 2009 at 17:46
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If it were one or the other, Sgt. Pepper's would be the obvious choice, but if both came as a package, sure, why not? Sgt. Pepper's was a ground breaking album and is one of the best by the Beatles. Heck, it's one of the greatest of all rock albums. Magical Mystery Tour takes one more step into the psychadelia, and though still a great album, it doesn't quite reach the same heights as Sgt. Pepper's. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: guitargods2009
Date Posted: October 07 2009 at 18:51
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If both albums were released as a doulbe album, you know what it would be titled?
Sgt. Pepper's Magical Mystery Lonely Hearts Club Tour (what else?)
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 07 2009 at 18:55
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Both cornestones of rock, and damn they're good. Will go for Magical Mystery Tour. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: October 08 2009 at 02:13
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Sgt. Pepper's. Magical Mystery tour is excellent as well, but Sgt. Pepper has the strongest moments. ------------- 
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Posted By: Matthew T
Date Posted: October 08 2009 at 02:42
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I went for Sgt Peppers.and it was tough, Magical Mystery Tour was originally releasd in a double EP format as Alberto mentioned above and Side 2 of the LP record is comprised of singles.
Hello Goodbye.....flip I am The Walrus
Strawberry Fields........Penny Lane
All You Need Is Love..........Baby Your a Rich Man
I tell you one thing though it is still nearly as good as Sgt Peppers and the side with the singles gets the most play with I am The Walrus round here. Unintentional album and an unintentional masterpiece.
 signed old Beatle maniac  ------------- Matt |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: October 08 2009 at 07:08
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Just ask yourself how good Sgt Pepper would have been if Strawberry Field Forever and Penny Lane had been on it as originally intended.
I can't vote for MMT as it's not a real album, even though I have the remasters of both and have played MMT more.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 08 2009 at 07:18
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Sgt Pepper of course! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 08 2009 at 07:52
I'm a pepper, too. Still like Magical Misery Tour though.  (It's coming to take you away, ha ha.)
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Posted By: ModernRocker79
Date Posted: October 08 2009 at 09:58
| In the pop realm I just love how they were pushing the barriers of pop and in many cases rock music. I went with Magical Mystery Tour songs like "Blue Jay Way", "Strawberry Fields Forever, and "I Am the Walrus" were not your normal pop songs. I really like Sgt Pepper I respect the Psych/Pop/Indian fusion of a songs like "Within You Without You" and "Lucy In the Sky With Diamonds" with it's phasing effects on vocals and guitars on the mono version. Of course "A Day in the Life" could be argued is a early progressive rock song. |
Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: October 08 2009 at 10:25
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I think that Magical Mystery Tour has more really great songs than Sgt Pepper. I find the latter half of Sgt Pepper to be less fantastic than the first. Magical Mystery Tour is probably my favorite Beatles album overall, so i'll vote for it. Both are fantastic beyond words, though! |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: October 08 2009 at 11:01
And of course as everybody knows(?) Magical Mystery Tour was originally issued as a double ep, which sounds to my ear far more balanced than the US issued LP with additional tracks (and so the subsequent CD)
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: October 08 2009 at 11:04
I know that many going to complain about that Magical is an EP, but i consider that a full LP. ------------- |
Dick Heath wrote:Posted By: Tarquin Underspoon
Date Posted: October 08 2009 at 15:52
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Well, you learn something new every day.
If Sgt. Pepper had included the songs it missed on Magical Mystery Tour, it would be a serious contender for my favorite Beatles album, battling only Abbey Road. It might even contend for my favorite ever..... ------------- "WAAAAAAOOOOOUGH! WAAAAAAAUUUUGGHHHH!! WAAAAAOOOO!!!" -The Great Gig in the Sky |
Posted By: SgtPepper67
Date Posted: October 08 2009 at 19:19
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Both are awesome. It's incredible how well Magical Mystery Tour works as an album considering it wasn't intended as one, but of course Sgt Pepper is still better as a whole. ------------- 
In the end the love you take is equal to the love you made... |
Posted By: weetabix
Date Posted: October 08 2009 at 19:31
| Sgt. Pepper was a hard act to follow, and MMT was a good try and payed off in the end. |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: October 08 2009 at 20:41
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Sgt. Pep's
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 09 2009 at 08:16
Hey, those of you who thought they should have been combined somehow, how about giving us a track listing? Include or exclude whatever you want. 
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: October 09 2009 at 08:30
| Hmm, tricky. Even though Strawberry Fields/Penny Lane were intended for Sgt Pepper and were the first tracks recorded, I can't really picture them being on the album. Both tracks are instrumentally richer than most of the actual Sgt Pepper tracks. |
Posted By: Einsetumadur
Date Posted: October 09 2009 at 11:52
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Definitely the mix of both. "Magical Mystery Tour" is a bit better, but there are also some superb tracks of "Sgt." (Getting Better, From Sgt. Pepper I would have excluded: With A Little Help From My Friends, Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds, When I'm Sixty Four From Magical I would have excluded only "All You Need Is Love" ... this should have put on a 45 single. ------------- All in all each man in all men |
Posted By: JD
Date Posted: October 09 2009 at 12:42
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Sgt. Pepper's for sure. It has the most best tunes of either album and a much stronger underlying "concept".
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Posted By: Tarquin Underspoon
Date Posted: October 10 2009 at 00:20
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Here is my attempt of combining the two albums. I've tried to keep Sgt. Pepper's flow intact while inserting Magical Mystery Tour songs at seemingly appropriate places.
So let me introduce to you:
Sgt. Pepper's Magical Mystery Club Band
DISC ONE
1. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
2. With a Little Help from My Friends
3. Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds
4. Geting Better
5. Fixing a Hole
6. Penny Lane
7. Blue Jay Way
8. Your Mother Should Know
9. She's Leaving Home
10. Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite!
11. Within You Without You
12. Hello Goodbye
DISC TWO
1. Magical Mystery Tour
2. The Fool on the Hill
3. Strawberry Fields Forever
4. Lovely Rita
5. Flying
6. When I'm Sixty-Four
7. Baby You're a Rich Man
8. Good Morning Good Morning
9. I Am the Walrus
10. All You Need Is Love
11. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise)
12. A Day in the Life
.....Thus I have created the greatest album in the history of mankind, in my opinion. I may save it as a playlist, I like the idea so much ------------- "WAAAAAAOOOOOUGH! WAAAAAAAUUUUGGHHHH!! WAAAAAOOOO!!!" -The Great Gig in the Sky |
Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: October 10 2009 at 06:43
Let's make it a triple album  !!
Add Carnival of Light, Only A Northern Song, It's All Too Much, You Know My Name (Look Up The Number), All Together Now, Shirley's Wild Accordion and Jessie's Dream plus whatever I'm sure they committed to tape in 1967 but never released such as the jamming they did on 6 May.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 10 2009 at 06:53
...yes, then add Hey Bulldog and Yellow Submarine and you've got Sgt Peppers Magical Yellow Hearts Club Lonely Submarine Tour Band  ------------- What? |
Posted By: ten years after
Date Posted: October 11 2009 at 00:10
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A difficult choice. Pepper has A Day in the Life but the MMT album has more good tracks. Also it has no bad tracks whereas Pepper has When I’m 64, Lovely Rita and Good Morning which are way below average. I voted for MMT in the end but with some uncertainty as it was not conceived as an album. Merging the two together produces possibly the greatest album ever: Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band With a Little Help from My Friends Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds Fixing a Hole Hello, Goodbye All You Need Is Love Magical Mystery Tour Strawberry Fields Forever I Am the Walrus Within You Without You Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise) A Day in the Life Having 7 original Pepper tracks neatly bookend 6 MMT tracks is a coincidence but it works very well in terms of album balance. |
Posted By: LinusW
Date Posted: October 11 2009 at 04:27
| Magical Mystery Tour. I just think it's stronger overall. Sgt. Pepper have some killing songs though. |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: October 11 2009 at 08:12
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MMT on CD is a clear winner for me. Although Sgt Pepper is incredibly well produced, there just aren't that many songs that I like on it. Add Penny Lane and Strawberry Fields to the already impressive EP tracks Fool on the Hill (Paul's finest psychedelic moment), I Am The Walrus (John at his acerbic best) and Blue Jay Way (George mixing Indian drones with rock far more successfully than Within You Without You) and you've got a high point for mainstream pop/rock that has never been equalled. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: Badabing666
Date Posted: October 11 2009 at 13:02
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It's got to be Sgt Pepper
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Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: October 15 2009 at 20:02
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Sgt. Pep rocks!!!!!!!!!!!! Though Magial Mystery Tour is a good one too, Pepper has, in my opinion, better songs -------------  |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: October 16 2009 at 04:18
To repeat from elesewhere. In the liner notes of the first CD issue of Sgt Pepper, George Martin reveals that an alternative play order was first considered - he gives it and recommends programming your CD player to what might have been. That suggests that the concept as a whole was less coherent than the now over familiar play order has brain washed us into believing. ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: October 16 2009 at 06:35
Lennon himself said that the "concept" of Sgt Pepper as being a concert by an alter-ego band extended as far as the first 2 tracks (where the title track segues into "With a little help from my friends") and after that they lost interest in it and it just became a standard album.
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: October 16 2009 at 08:14
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Sgt Pepper was the first lp i bought and made a huge impression on me, i played it almost non-stop, then MMT was released as a double 7" EP booklet later that year, accompanied by a TV film at Christmas.
The film was great though i wish we'd had colour then, not many liked it but making the short film was a real tonic for the band after all their troubles. MMT was released in USA as a full lp album containing some singles that had been released in the UK, Strawberry Fields, All you need is Love et al but still lies in the shadow of Pepper.
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: October 16 2009 at 08:16
can you print out GM's running order, Dick?
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: October 16 2009 at 09:02
I'll try to do it tonight with the CD in front of me ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: mr.cub
Date Posted: October 17 2009 at 18:55
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Roll Up fot the Magical Mystery Tour...never though that highly of Sgt. Pepper's though it contains some fabulous material (personally feel Rubber Soul and Revolver were much more cohesive albums than the 67 twins) ------------- 
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Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: October 18 2009 at 03:37
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Its impossible to shoose one of em so i take the double album! ------------- 
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Posted By: Tsevir Leirbag
Date Posted: October 18 2009 at 16:58
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REVOLVER
Oops... Doesn't feature as a choice  ------------- Les mains, les pieds balancés Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers, Un marin mort, Il dormira - Paul Éluard |
Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: October 18 2009 at 17:47
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I would pick Revolver over Sgt. Pep. ------------- |
Posted By: TronHead
Date Posted: October 19 2009 at 10:10
stg peppers of course
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Posted By: JROCHA
Date Posted: October 19 2009 at 18:28
| I'm going to go with the Magical Mystery Tour, i have been listening to it a lot lately. |
Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: October 19 2009 at 19:51
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It does take you away for a bit... ------------- |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: October 19 2009 at 19:53
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wow i did not image how close would be the competition. ------------- |
Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: October 26 2009 at 18:26
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Yah I thought Sgt. Peps would be way ahead. ------------- |
Posted By: Xanthous
Date Posted: November 18 2009 at 20:57
| Magical Mystery Tour. The only song I love on Sgt. Peppers is Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds. The other songs range from alright to incredibly annoying. I never got why it was so loved. The more psychedelic the better for me so I'm going with the Tour. |
Posted By: mohaveman
Date Posted: December 11 2009 at 08:30
| Sgt Peppers |
Posted By: EatThatPhonebook
Date Posted: April 26 2010 at 15:05
| Sgt Peppers. |
Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: April 26 2010 at 15:34
| Magical Mystery Tour has better songs, but Sgt. Pepper feels like a more cohesive album to me, while MMT was just an EP with some hit singles that should have been on Pepper on Side 2. So Sgt. Pepper it is. (Also, I don't think that The Beatles ever made a song better than "A Day in the Life.") |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: April 26 2010 at 19:33
That would be one damn good album!  -------------
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Posted By: martinprog77
Date Posted: April 26 2010 at 19:53
------------- Nothing can last there are no second chances. Never give a day away. Always live for today. |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: April 26 2010 at 20:50
| I always preferred Magical Mystery Tour over Sgt. Pepper's. |
Posted By: Psychedelist
Date Posted: April 27 2010 at 12:39
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I can't choose: while MMT's average quality is slightly better, 'A day in the life' blows away everything else they have ever done. So I went with option 3. |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: April 27 2010 at 12:46
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I much prefer Magical Mystery Tour.
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Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: April 27 2010 at 12:48
| I prefer Magical Mystery Tour, but their both masterpieces anyway... |
Posted By: halabalushindigus
Date Posted: April 27 2010 at 14:05
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I'm going with The Tour. Songs like "Blue Jay Way" and "Rich Man" really knocked me out. Side two with fields and lane and of course the Ending were superb ------------- assume the power 1586/14.3 |
Posted By: Lazmo31
Date Posted: April 30 2010 at 14:24
| I can't ever pick between Beatle albums, i'll always pick the one I that I'm listening to at the time. Both are brilliant albums in different ways. Although, Strawberry Fields was meant for Pepper. If you jumbled all these tracks tracks up, it would all still fit. |
Posted By: hobocamp
Date Posted: May 01 2010 at 08:17
Er, Sergeant Pepper's Magical Mystery Lonely Hearts Club Tour Band?
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Posted By: halabalushindigus
Date Posted: May 01 2010 at 12:40
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Sgt. Mysterys Magical Tour ------------- assume the power 1586/14.3 |
Posted By: TheLastBaron
Date Posted: May 10 2010 at 00:23
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Both fantastic but seeing that Sgt. Peppers has A Day in the Life, i'm gonna give it the edge.
------------- " Men are not prisoners of fate, but prisoners of their own minds." - FDR |
Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: May 13 2010 at 08:57
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Magical Mystery Tour - the original double 7" EP was one of my favourite records ever. I consider the LP version to be a compilation album, which wasn't released in (for example) Liverpool until 1976, when Liverpool's music fans were turning to punk and so forth. So it gets much less attention than Pepper. ------------- rotten hound of the burnie crew |
Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: May 16 2010 at 01:52
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Both amazing albums, but Sgt. Peppers. IMO it doesn't have a weak track, while Magical Mystery Tour has Flying. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs/?chartstyle=LastfmSuicjdeGirls" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: rod65
Date Posted: May 18 2010 at 12:00
| Sgt. Pepper because of its influence on subsequent music, though, like many others on this string, I have a deep and long-standing love for Magical Mystery Tour. |