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Topic: prog when friends are around
Posted By: friso
Subject: prog when friends are around
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 03:26
Some prog is so personal for me that I wouldn't put it on when just ordinary people are around. I don't like people critisizing on my favoure prog records.
However, most of the time when I have someone visiting I will put on progressive music. But prog has never suited as background music for me. I have some friends (and my girlfriend) with whom I can 'just listen' to the music, without much talking.
What do you do when friends are around?
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 03:32
They are never around.
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Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 03:44
What friends?
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 03:47
I have a couple of friends who like prog, but they're mostly into prog metal, so they literally laugh when I put on a Marillion disc.
So usually not
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Posted By: friso
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 03:50
progkidjoel wrote:
I have a couple of friends who like prog, but they're mostly into prog metal, so they literally laugh when I put on a Marillion disc.
So usually not |
The same for me most of the time, friends of mine like progressive metal and are still a bit critical on '70 progressive music.
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 03:56
Long ago, when I had ...er... friends around, I loved to play some music for them. One of them liked prog, another was more of a folkie, so I tried to find the right music for the moment. Prog is good as background music indeed.
Now that I'm a husbandman, I usually play some prog when I'm alone in the room if I know that there is just a small chance that I'll be disturbed.
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 03:58
I never listen to music around other people. I think the whole concept is weird, but I've never been friends with someone who is into music.
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Posted By: terryl
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 04:11
nope! Seriously I have tried, not many have any idea what greatness they were hearing and asked me to lower the volume. My wife's niece mistook a Yes concert DVD (Symphonic Live, Yes!) I was playing for Scorpions, and I thought that was rude of her.
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 04:12
Most of my friends dont like prog at all. Most dont really even know what it is. Once I was playing a VDGG album, when one of them came round. He pulled a face like he was having a tabasco enema, and asked 'What is this heavy metal sh!t?'
That gives you some idea. If a band, known for their distinct lack of guitar can be mistaken for heavy metal by these guys, it's clearly pointless even discussing music with them.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 04:33
Posted By: progmetalhead
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 04:35
progkidjoel wrote:
I have a couple of friends who like prog, but they're mostly into prog metal, so they literally laugh when I put on a Marillion disc.
So usually not |
Not from me you won't!!
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Posted By: dedokras
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 04:35
Mistaking Yes for Scorpions is offensive indеed
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Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 04:38
I struggle to put anything on my friends will like but Classic prog Rock always works ie Zeppelin,Floyd maybe Rush if I feel cheeky
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 04:42
Posted By: Passionist
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 04:56
Cross-over is pretty good, if you're willing to compromise. Mostly all of the bands in the crossover section are somewhat popular, that's something they have in common. Crossover or prog related.
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Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 04:58
I have very good friends that I can count on one hand, but when is to talk and listen to prog , they run like hell. One of them , saw one day some cover arts on my desk with Kansas, specialy Masque, Song for America, Monolith, etc and ask me very smooth , ""What is with those Pokemon pictures here""", I stood like or , but they are good friends afterall.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 05:03
b_olariu wrote:
I have very good friends that I can count on one hand, but when is to talk and listen to prog , they run like hell. One of them , saw one day some cover arts on my desk with Kansas, specialy Masque, Song for America, Monolith, etc and ask me very smooth , ""What is with those Pokemon pictures here""", I stood like or , but they are good friends afterall. |
They sound like stupid friends to me.
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Posted By: progmetalhead
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 05:05
There is a very simple rule in my house that all my friends and family (and their friends) know very well.
The only music that gets played is Prog or Metal and more often than not the blend of both.
(I have to put up with the most god awful sh*te everywhere else I go so they can put up with what I like in MY OWN house )
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Posted By: Any Colour You Like
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 05:14
What the...?
The closest thing I have noticed, is that one of my freinds who has a similar taste to me, He's not really into prog, mostly plain rock.
Anyway, I chucked on some Riverside and he told me they sounded like Dragonforce. Srsly.
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 05:16
Any Colour You Like wrote:
What the...?The closest thing I have noticed, is that one of my freinds who has a similar taste to me, He's not really into prog, mostly plain rock.Anyway, I chucked on some Riverside and he told me they sounded like Dragonforce. Srsly. |
Thats like saying Riverside sounds like the f*cking Power Rangers theme song
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Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 05:48
Snow Dog wrote:
[QUOTE=b_olariu]I have very good friends that I can count on one hand, but when is to talk and listen to prog , they run like hell. One of them , saw one day some cover arts on my desk with Kansas, specialy Masque, Song for America, Monolith, etc and ask me very smooth , ""What is with those Pokemon pictures here""", I stood like or , but they are good friends afterall. |
They sound like stupid friends to me.
I don't know to laugh or cry Not everybody has smart or Nobel prise friends, belive me is a rare thing to have very good and close friends to talk about anything at any hour, day you name it, but they don't like prog , is not a big deal, I guess I like prog music if for everybody is enough for me.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 05:53
b_olariu wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
[QUOTE=b_olariu]I have very good friends that I can count on one hand, but when is to talk and listen to prog , they run like hell. One of them , saw one day some cover arts on my desk with Kansas, specialy Masque, Song for America, Monolith, etc and ask me very smooth , ""What is with those Pokemon pictures here""", I stood like or , but they are good friends afterall. |
They sound like stupid friends to me.
I don't know to laugh or cry Not everybody has smart or Nobel prise friends, belive me is a rare thing to have very good and close friends to talk about anything at any hour, day you name it, but they don't like prog , is not a big deal, I guess I like prog music if for everybody is enough for me. |
What I mean is, they look at a nice bit of cover art and come up with Pokemon?
Don't let them near an art gallery!
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Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 05:57
Snow Dog wrote:
b_olariu wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
[QUOTE=b_olariu]I have very good friends that I can count on one hand, but when is to talk and listen to prog , they run like hell. One of them , saw one day some cover arts on my desk with Kansas, specialy Masque, Song for America, Monolith, etc and ask me very smooth , ""What is with those Pokemon pictures here""", I stood like or , but they are good friends afterall. |
They sound like stupid friends to me.
I don't know to laugh or cry Not everybody has smart or Nobel prise friends, belive me is a rare thing to have very good and close friends to talk about anything at any hour, day you name it, but they don't like prog , is not a big deal, I guess I like prog music if for everybody is enough for me. |
What I mean is, they look at a nice bit of cover art and come up with Pokemon?
Don't let them near an art gallery!
For sure |
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Posted By: Kustin
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 06:58
In the presence of my parents, as I mentioned before, I turn on something that isn't too hard to digest for them. So far, I haven't played any avant-garde tracks for them but when it comes to Math metal (Animals As Leaders, among others), my mom asks me rhetorically what kind of music I'm listening to or my dad asks me to switch to something more listenable. Agreed, it's not as fun playing prog songs that provokes some (let alone passive) criticism to your musical taste from other close persons, as it may limit your freedom to experience the music and be proud of it.
As with my (few) friends, there are no significant conflicts between us. One of them is quite open-minded (mainly for films) and we don't give much comments about the music we play on Audiosurf. Low discussions, but no criticism to prog (but we may bash on some pop music for a change ).
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Posted By: progmatic
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 07:25
I know my friends' musical tastes and try to find something within my collection that we both can enjoy. After playing something he or she is familiar with, sometimes I'll try to expand their horizons a bit by surprising them with something new.
What I have a problem with is in the summer, when enjoying prog in the car with the windows down. If I come to an intersection, it seems as though the most abstract or intense part of the song will be playing and I almost always want to turn down the sound.
Do I need to see a shrink for this?
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Posted By: HeroOfYesterday
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 07:39
A few of my friends like some prog, like Rush and Dream Theater. So i'll put some on but other than that, i'd just stick on other folks favorite bands.
It's hard to find folk around that properly appreciate the art!
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 08:16
Hi,
I listen to advanced/progrressive/experimental music all the time ... and it is funny how sometimes people come around ... I was blasting my roomate with Porcupine Tree 9 years ago ... today he is blasting the new album! He was blaring Dream Theater ... and I could handle it fairly well since the musicianship in the band was obviously above par ... so he had some taste ...
In general, I'm not around people that have no appreciation for music or writing or the arts ... the last thing I need is another person walk in and say ... that Peter Hammil is a bad ... or like one person once told me ... "such anger" ... like it is not a valid expression, and counter some idealistic new age ideals ... which this board's fans are quite fond of ... (watch for the next discussion on songs instead of music!) ...
In general, without sounding snobbish, I was born in a house with 3k LP's of classical music and I ended up with almost as many records of progressive, experimental and electronic stuff and thing ... and if you have not heard music, or have no idea that music existed 500 years ago ... and that someone wrote a rock piece that is akin or better than Mahler's 4th Symphony ... I like to say that you have a lot of music to digest before you graduate ... some might not like my attitude, but in the end I am not putting you down ... I'm challenging your mind to a game of music ... you will listen ... or you won't! It's really that simple.
Most friends I know are musically knowledgable even if they are not big enough to even show up at an Ozric Tentacles concert that was free! .... even FREE, the appreciation for music sometimes is ... just lacking!
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 08:27
Everyone i know, know the prog classics, so what i do is i try to show the more resent developments in prog.
I bring The Mars Volta, Tool, Riverside, Dredg, Townsend, Pendragon ect. ect, ect. , when i go visit, play it, and hope they like it. Same goes when they visit me, i try play some new stuf (prog and not prog.), everyone allready know genesis, yes, floyd, gentle gaint, ect. ect.
Some prefer to listen to music alone, i like that too, but i love listning to music with friends, talking about the album/song, compare it to other music, and get an opinion, it dosent hurt me, if they dont like it that much, but i guess thats because everyone i know have some sort of similar taste in music, makes it a more qualified debate. Noone just saying i hate it, without giving a good explanation why.
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Posted By: daslaf
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 09:38
My best friend is a music lover and a musician as me, so when we visit each other we play our latest purchases and we talk about what we are listening to. When is my turn to play music, I usually put some prog, maybe metal or classic rock... Anyway, sometimes we don't talk about anything else but music, and when some other friend asks me aboutthis guy, I don't know what to answer cause we didn't talk about our personal issues, problems, etc..
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 09:44
Most of my friends that visit me from time to time are into prog, so it's no problem. When there's some older people visiting, like my girlfriend's mother last weekend, we usually put on some jazz or some mellow prog like The Snow Goose. Everyone has always liked our playlist
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 09:47
I'm in the good position of having friends that can at least appreciate the music that I listen to, and quite often like it as well.
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 10:00
I just have to suffer through the visit when I know I am in the presence of those who cringe at the sound of prog. Here is the worst experience for me: It is suggested that I should put on Kansas because it might have something mainstream about it. So it's like if I have to put something on when others are present the choices would be Yes, Kansas, 80's Genesis etc;....because most of the people are from that generation. My wife is 10 years younger than me so I have to deal with that. I grew up with Jethro Tull, ELP, early Genesis etc; which I am much jaded even with that.
Most music fans that I knew as a teenager found Kansas insulting due to the obvoius rip off of ELP's Take A Pebble on Songs For America. It was mostly the late 70's generation that picked up on Kansas, Starcastle, Triumvirat, etc; Not only do the majority of my house visitors misunderstand that these bands were influenced by ELP, King Crimson and many others, but they are also clueless as to who influenced them, which of course now we are now making reference to 20th century composers. So as a result I am subjected to bands that were 2nd generation prog bands which is a bit of cheapness in my book. So I just sit there and smile and nod my head and say things like, Yes you're right these bands are great. Eric Clapton is God, Jimmy Page is a great lead guitarist etc;..........(The guitar solo on Heartbreaker sounds like a 10 year old who is frustrated with his right hand picking technique).,,,,,I just sit there and put up with it. What else can I do? Play Pulsar, Univers Zero, Soft Machine, and National Health and be asked if I can put something on that brings out a moment for these people? No, I don't want or need to deal with it.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 10:13
depends who they are and how long I want them to stay.
If it's someone who appreciates music then I'll probably adjust my playlist to suit what they like, but try and play stuff they might not have heard that I think they'll like as well.
When I want them to go home I put some of my own stuff on.
...or Cradle of Filth
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Posted By: terryl
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 10:16
great strategy, Dean
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Until we seek, until we find Ammonia Avenue
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 11:01
^^^ Yeah, I have worked out that VDGG and Frank Zappa are good for getting rid of guests when you want to go to bed.
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 11:06
^Sometimes even the Beatles may work. Tomorrow Never Knows, or, if that doesn't help, Revolution 9 work out right.
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 11:19
What about that old method of getting rid of your girlfriend? Answer: Put on King Crimson. Regarding having friends to listen to Prog with, today that seems a rarity within itself. The internet has always been very informative for me when doing personal research on obscure prog bands. But for example when shopping at Tower Records back in 2004, a person that was shopping next to me might ask a question about George Crumb and converse with me and teach me things about music that I might not find through internet sources. I don't care if the person is cynical about various styles of music, I just enjoy the hands on moment and getting the education from a real live person and not a screen.
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 11:25
I've never played music for friends, mostly because I have never had the chance to. Every time I do have friends over I have to fight the urge to go on a RIO spree, though. I don't know anyone who is into anything remotely avant-garde, so it might be more of a house clearing technique than listening music. I haven't played it for any friends, but Soft Machine's Third works well, especially "Facelift".
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Posted By: TheCaptain
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 11:36
Posted By: DJPuffyLemon
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 11:42
Okay so my beef with this post. Not looking to fight but I do want an argument:
moshkito wrote:
Hi,
I listen to advanced/progrressive/experimental music all the time ... and it is funny how sometimes people come around ... I was blasting my roomate with Porcupine Tree 9 years ago ... today he is blasting the new album! He was blaring Dream Theater ... and I could handle it fairly well since the musicianship in the band was obviously above par ... so he had some taste ...
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Okay so since when does listening to Dream Theater for their musicianship equate to having some taste? I really hate the idea that listening to a group of instrumentalists that are talented means you have taste. I'm sure you didn't mean it this way because there are tons of bands (even prog rock bands) who are not technically gifted by are still respected. Still though, if anyone believes that musicianship is a reason for listening to a band, I'd like to argue this point.
moshkito wrote:
Most friends I know are musically knowledgable even if they are not big enough to even show up at an Ozric Tentacles concert that was free! .... even FREE, the appreciation for music sometimes is ... just lacking! | As for this, well, if you're not a fan of the band, why go? Even if it's free, I wouldn't go out of my way to see an Elton John concert (unless someone else wanted me to go with them, but I wouldn't actively seek out a way to get there). I guess my point is that I feel that you're saying that an appreciation for bands should outweigh taste, which I agree in so far as showing respect for or knowledge of an artist that was pioneering even if it's not your thing, but to go to a concert (or more accurately, to listen to them even if you don't like them) is almost irresponsible unless you're into the really archival aspect of older music.
(By archival, I mean for example when I was first checking out coltrane, I didn't really like him, but I still sometimes listen just for historical perspective of what he did. It's more academic than pleasurable, and this style of listening should not be forced on others.)
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Posted By: Nuke
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 11:56
Everyone thinks I have weird music tastes, but knowing my friends' music tastes I can always adapt. If I hang with my pal charly, we listen to progressive death metal together, if I hang with my friend eric we listen to symhonic metal or porcupine tree or pretty much anything eclectic but consonant, if I hang with micheal, we can play some indie stuff like muse or radiohead, ect. It would be hard with my friends into pop music if I wanted to play prog to them, but I enjoy pop music so I don't care. The worst is people who think of music as "noise" and are always asking you to turn it down. I have no way of catering to them...
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Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 12:10
Me and my friends usually hang OUTside so there isn't really a place where I can get them to listen to prog, but when they're at my house, I crank out some Birth Control, Uriah Heep, or Rush, for the sake of good ol' Heavy Prog, judging by the fact that Classic 70's Hard Rock is a main source of music for my friends. I do have this one friend who really likes Frank Zappa and Rush, so every time he comes to my place, we crank up some Rush, again, heh.
Also, Wishbone Ash and Deep Purple are always common ground, combining hard rock elements with Heavy-ass progressive rock!
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Posted By: Kestrel
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 12:16
My best friends and I all have similar tastes in music, so prog while in the car is pretty common. We would all place Genesis, Yes, King Crimson, VDGG and some others on our favorite bands lists.
When I'm at college though... almost no one has even heard of prog. Then I just listen with my headphones.
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Posted By: friso
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 12:43
progmatic wrote:
I know my friends' musical tastes and try to find something within my collection that we both can enjoy. After playing something he or she is familiar with, sometimes I'll try to expand their horizons a bit by surprising them with something new.
What I have a problem with is in the summer, when enjoying prog in the car with the windows down. If I come to an intersection, it seems as though the most abstract or intense part of the song will be playing and I almost always want to turn down the sound.
Do I need to see a shrink for this?
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In addition to this: When I listen to progressive prog and other people are around I sometimes find the music much weirder then when I'm alone! This is just so strange! People looking odd at me for my music can make my own music experience stranger. Does some-one else have this fenomonon?
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Posted By: Citizen Erased
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 12:44
Nuke wrote:
Everyone thinks I have weird music tastes, but knowing my friends' music tastes I can always adapt. If I hang with my pal charly, we listen to progressive death metal together, if I hang with my friend eric we listen to symhonic metal or porcupine tree or pretty much anything eclectic but consonant, if I hang with micheal, we can play some indie stuff like muse or radiohead, ect. It would be hard with my friends into pop music if I wanted to play prog to them, but I enjoy pop music so I don't care. The worst is people who think of music as "noise" and are always asking you to turn it down. I have no way of catering to them...
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Muse and Radiohead aren't indie
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 13:00
kingfriso wrote:
progmatic wrote:
I know my friends' musical tastes and try to find something within my collection that we both can enjoy. After playing something he or she is familiar with, sometimes I'll try to expand their horizons a bit by surprising them with something new.
What I have a problem with is in the summer, when enjoying prog in the car with the windows down. If I come to an intersection, it seems as though the most abstract or intense part of the song will be playing and I almost always want to turn down the sound.
Do I need to see a shrink for this?
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In addition to this: When I listen to progressive prog and other people are around I sometimes find the music much weirder then when I'm alone! This is just so strange! People looking odd at me for my music can make my own music experience stranger. Does some-one else have this fenomenon? |
Absolutely. I certainly do. One hears the music in a very different way.
And music that I normally love ceases to be enjoyable when other people are acting like that, and I feel more critical towards, and embarrassed by, the music. SOmetimes music I love so much normally even makes me groan when I see that it's making other people groan.
Anyway, I do try to cater the music I play to the individual's tastes, but music listening, despite discussing it at PA, is a very personal experience for me, and I find it better not to share the music I love over-much (unless I really feel that another will appreciate it). I don't try to force my peculiar tastes on others (though maybe I do that at this site to an extent).
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 13:11
Dean wrote:
depends who they are and how long I want them to stay.
If it's someone who appreciates music then I'll probably adjust my playlist to suit what they like, but try and play stuff they might not have heard that I think they'll like as well.
When I want them to go home I put some of my own stuff on.
...or Cradle of Filth |
I have found that the best way to clear a room is to put on The Residents.
I have a broad enough collection that I can correspond to almost anyone's tastes, or at least some reasonable approximation of it. I once put on some Steve Vai for a friend I hadn't seen in quite a while, and he asked me to take it off because it was way too interesting to listen to while talking. Generally, though, I don't put on music that's too demanding on the listener when I have friends over, unless they want to really listen carefully. One good listening experience centered around Last Autumn's Dream by Jade Warrior. My buddy is a guitarist, keyboardist, and all-around great musician. I put the album on, and we just sat in silence and listened to the whole thing. When it was over, he said he hadn't done that in years. Besides all that, the misssus likes pretty much anything I listen to, except The Residents. Oh well, you can't win 'em all.
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 13:16
Logan wrote:
kingfriso wrote:
progmatic wrote:
I know my friends' musical tastes and try to find something within my collection that we both can enjoy. After playing something he or she is familiar with, sometimes I'll try to expand their horizons a bit by surprising them with something new.
What I have a problem with is in the summer, when enjoying prog in the car with the windows down. If I come to an intersection, it seems as though the most abstract or intense part of the song will be playing and I almost always want to turn down the sound.
Do I need to see a shrink for this?
??????? |
In addition to this: When I listen to progressive prog and other people are around I sometimes find the music much weirder then when I'm alone! This is just so strange! People looking odd at me for my music can make my own music experience stranger. Does some-one else have this fenomenon? |
Absolutely. I certainly do. One hears the music in a very different way.
And music that I normally love ceases to be enjoyable when other people are acting like that, and I feel more critical towards, and embarrassed by, the music. SOmetimes music I love so much normally even makes me groan when I see that it's making other people groan.
Anyway, I do try to cater the music I play to the individual's tastes, but music listening, despite discussing it at PA, is a very personal experience for me, and I find it better not to share the music I love over-much (unless I really feel that another will appreciate it). I don't try to force my peculiar tastes on others (though maybe I do that at this site to an extent).
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I completely understand, it is the exact same thing I think when I try to play some of my favorite prog for non-prog lovers.
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 13:57
Progosopher wrote:
Dean wrote:
depends who they are and how long I want them to stay.
If it's someone who appreciates music then I'll probably adjust my playlist to suit what they like, but try and play stuff they might not have heard that I think they'll like as well.
When I want them to go home I put some of my own stuff on.
...or Cradle of Filth |
I have found that the best way to clear a room is to put on The Residents.
I have a broad enough collection that I can correspond to almost anyone's tastes, or at least some reasonable approximation of it. I once put on some Steve Vai for a friend I hadn't seen in quite a while, and he asked me to take it off because it was way too interesting to listen to while talking. Generally, though, I don't put on music that's too demanding on the listener when I have friends over, unless they want to really listen carefully. One good listening experience centered around Last Autumn's Dream by Jade Warrior. My buddy is a guitarist, keyboardist, and all-around great musician. I put the album on, and we just sat in silence and listened to the whole thing. When it was over, he said he hadn't done that in years. Besides all that, the misssus likes pretty much anything I listen to, except The Residents. Oh well, you can't win 'em all. | You have a friend that listened to Jade Warrior with you? I suppose my shock is due to my residence in Green Acres, South Jersey. Does up on cripple creek ring a bell? Back in 2002 I was conversing with Tirill from White Willow. She had a entire different perspective on progressive music than most people I've met in America. There are many great informative prog people here in the U.S., no doubt. But in Europe it feels like more people live for prog. At least of all that is the impression I got from conversing with her. I believe that finding the correct environment has got to be the answer to all our problems(or those who have encountered the same as me), but here in Green Acres there is one path only for most regarding musical form. I realize all too well that most progressive rock originated in Europe, but to live there in a environment of prog fans that is consistently more than less would bring my spirits to the highest level. Is this a fact about Europe or is this a hypothesis that American proggers have?
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Posted By: Luca Pacchiarini
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 14:44
TODDLER wrote:
Progosopher wrote:
Dean wrote:
depends who they are and how long I want them to stay.
If it's someone who appreciates music then I'll probably adjust my playlist to suit what they like, but try and play stuff they might not have heard that I think they'll like as well.
When I want them to go home I put some of my own stuff on.
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I have found that the best way to clear a room is to put on The Residents.
I have a broad enough collection that I can correspond to almost anyone's tastes, or at least some reasonable approximation of it. I once put on some Steve Vai for a friend I hadn't seen in quite a while, and he asked me to take it off because it was way too interesting to listen to while talking. Generally, though, I don't put on music that's too demanding on the listener when I have friends over, unless they want to really listen carefully. One good listening experience centered around Last Autumn's Dream by Jade Warrior. My buddy is a guitarist, keyboardist, and all-around great musician. I put the album on, and we just sat in silence and listened to the whole thing. When it was over, he said he hadn't done that in years. Besides all that, the misssus likes pretty much anything I listen to, except The Residents. Oh well, you can't win 'em all. | You have a friend that listened to Jade Warrior with you? I suppose my shock is due to my residence in Green Acres, South Jersey. Does up on cripple creek ring a bell? Back in 2002 I was conversing with Tirill from White Willow. She had a entire different perspective on progressive music than most people I've met in America. There are many great informative prog people here in the U.S., no doubt. But in Europe it feels like more people live for prog. At least of all that is the impression I got from conversing with her. I believe that finding the correct environment has got to be the answer to all our problems(or those who have encountered the same as me), but here in Green Acres there is one path only for most regarding musical form. I realize all too well that most progressive rock originated in Europe, but to live there in a environment of prog fans that is consistently more than less would bring my spirits to the highest level. Is this a fact about Europe or is this a hypothesis that American proggers have? |
Well... europeans live for prog? really? didn't notice that
Now, seriously, if my father hadn't listened to a Pink Floyd cassette when I was 9, I don't think I would have had any knowledge of prog.
This to say, here too it's a pretty underground thing.... and not even one of the most important niches.
But, on a positive note, I find prog highly respected by other underground niches (probably because we share the same destiny )
At least that's the situation where I live.
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Posted By: Luca Pacchiarini
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 14:57
Prog with friends?
So far, I've listened to prog with two people only
A friend of mine is a talented pianist and he's into ANY kind of music...a very intelligent and cultured guy...
I used to lend him prog cds (Wish You Were Here, Fragile, Gentle Giant, Selling England, Storia Di Un Minuto...)
He liked them, and he once told me that the intro of Roundabout was "very similar to his conception of music"
I don't know what he meant, but...
The same day, a middle aged woman (a friend of his mother) came to the house to visit her.... and, before going with this friend of mine to the town centre, we stopped by the pool to chat a bit...
When this woman asked me what music I listened to, I replied "uh well Pink Floyd, Yes, Genesis" and she asked me if I knew Caravan... In The Land Of Grey And Pink... I was so surprised, I know it might sound weird, but it was the first time that I heard someone out of my friends group mention a prog band
Now, everytime I listen to that album I remember that summer day.
Another friend of mine is into metal-hard rock but also stuff like Queen.
During a plane travel to Spain I gave him my Mp3 and he really liked HIGH TIDE
But usually, I prefer to listen to my music alone.
So that I can play air bass
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 15:04
My friends are nerds like me. My best friend (known as The Block around here) and I are huge progheads. Whe he's over we'll be crankin' The Flower Kings, Genesis, Dream Theater, and Spock's Beard. Around my other friends I don't ever bring it up (just cause I don't want to get beat up). I just say I like some of the 'cooler' bands (which I do like). According to them, I'm all Beatles, Metallica, Led Zeppelin, and Deep Purple. While it's not that cool, it's definitely more popular than Anglagard, Ayreon, and Glass Hamer
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Posted By: Nuke
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 15:14
Citizen Erased wrote:
Muse and Radiohead aren't indie
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Not like this proves me right, but on last.fm they are both more tagged as indie then they are as progressive rock (well muse is about equal). Apparently though the taggers overwhelmingly classify both of them as alternative rock. Dunno, I always classified them with indie music and most of my indie friends love those two bands.
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 15:41
Nuke wrote:
Citizen Erased wrote:
Muse and Radiohead aren't indie
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Not like this proves me right, but on last.fm they are both more tagged as indie then they are as progressive rock (well muse is about equal). Apparently though the taggers overwhelmingly classify both of them as alternative rock. Dunno, I always classified them with indie music and most of my indie friends love those two bands. |
Maybe not indie, but they are an alt. rock band first.
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Posted By: inrainbows
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 15:51
Most of my friends dont really even know what prog is. I've tried so many times to give them some compilations, anything I thought was easier or softer, but nothing in return. The answer is 'this is not a dance song' or "it's boring" or 'how can you listen to this thing?"
Except for one person who shares all my love for prog,my older brother, I'm listening to music when I am alone.
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Posted By: The Sleepwalker
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 16:12
My closest friends are also into prog or at least like it... I must be a lucky man! I prefer to listen to prog when I'm alone though, as I can listen to the music without being interupted. I don't mind prog as background music... actually, most prog seems to work pretty nice for listening while doing something else. Bands like VDGG aren't really suited for background music though... I remember friends of my parents coming over once, and they asked me what music I did listen. My reply was "mostly 70's bands like Pink Floyd". They asked me if I knew Jethro Tull, which I did, and that they used to listen to prog too. I suggested to turn on a CD and they agreed... this CD was Pawn Hearts by VDGG. The CD was playing at a very low volume, because of course conversations were going on, but about at the point of "The Cloth Thickens" they asked me if I could turn the music of because it made them nervous.
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Posted By: CryoftheCarrots
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 16:15
progmetalhead wrote:
There is a very simple rule in my house that all my friends and family (and their friends) know very well.
The only music that gets played is Prog or Metal and more often than not the blend of both.
(I have to put up with the most god awful sh*te everywhere else I go so they can put up with what I like in MY OWN house ) |
Amen to that brother!
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Posted By: geddyx12112
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 16:24
My friends are all as big of music fans as I am, so even the ones who don't necessarily like prog still have some respect for it. but most of them do like Rush, ELP ballads, The Court by KC, Fragile by Yes, and some of the newer Porcupine Tree stuff. And none of them like my VDGG but that doesn't stop me from putting it on once in a while.
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Posted By: silcir
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 16:24
Well, i don't have any firends who like prog as much as i do, but have lots who like some prog bands, so i compromise when listening while with any of them. Sometimes i try something new to see if they like, which they usually don't. But even without any prog friends around i don't have much problem.. i like Jazz, Grunge (Soundgarden and AiC rulez!! ;), metal ( not many bands but things like Metallica, Maiden, Tool, Mastodon...), Classic rock (things like ac/dc, purple...), some punk and funky stuff, psycadelic, The Blues, victor jara and cuban (buena vista-like music), lots of my own country (portugal) music and bossa nova.
i usually don't have many problems when it comes to music, i like the good one, doesn't matter the style.
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 16:28
My prog friends are very few and i did not seem them in a while (that's because now they live in other cities).
So i have to listen to prog when i go to eat to my house in worktime and in return to home at nights.
Also in week end i listen to prog in low volume (i have a little daughter) and at night.
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 17:17
My friends all like prog. At least, they know better than to say they don't. The last one who did is under the patio.
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Posted By: JROCHA
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 17:31
I was playing Gentle Giant one time in my garage and my friend said what is this Christmas music? And another time I playing some Weather Report and they made fun of it and called it porno music. Many people I know do not understand it or call it elevator music.
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Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 17:42
DJPuffyLemon wrote:
Okay so my beef with this post. Not looking to fight but I do want an argument:
moshkito wrote:
Hi,
I listen to advanced/progrressive/experimental music all the time ... and it is funny how sometimes people come around ... I was blasting my roomate with Porcupine Tree 9 years ago ... today he is blasting the new album! He was blaring Dream Theater ... and I could handle it fairly well since the musicianship in the band was obviously above par ... so he had some taste ...
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Okay so since when does listening to Dream Theater for their musicianship equate to having some taste? I really hate the idea that listening to a group of instrumentalists that are talented means you have taste. I'm sure you didn't mean it this way because there are tons of bands (even prog rock bands) who are not technically gifted by are still respected. Still though, if anyone believes that musicianship is a reason for listening to a band, I'd like to argue this point. |
You're confusing yourself, man... For moshkito, it is a sign of having taste. I hate the idea that enjoying pure musicianship for it's own sake is necessarily "not good taste".
Sure, there are plenty of bands who aren't insane instrumentalists who are still great, but that just means there are many different appeals of music.
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Posted By: DJPuffyLemon
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 17:59
How was I confusing myself? I'm confused now.........uh....
What my point was was that I don't agree that if a band plays simple music that it is looked down upon. Really though, it's only in circles like these where that's the problem, so it's okay because most people get it. Thing is though, that there's people who think that a band should be revered because they are talented, or they think what moshkito said, that his friend had some taste for listening to a band that was talented.
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Posted By: Mind_Drive
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 18:39
i have 2 friends wich i could convince of DT, Pain of Salvation and Tool and they really like it! i´m now trying to get them into TMV ^^ another one who likes some DT says that Marllion or Genesis sounds to him like christmas rock then there are others with whom i can only listen to Metallica, System of a down or Rammstein wich i also really love but i know they wouldn´t like any prog.. and again others like only electronica and house so this is what i hear when they´re around.. i´m just happy that i listen to so much different music so it is not too difficult for me to make compromises
greets
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Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 18:50
Only one of my friends is really into prog and it is easy to listen around him since he got me into it. But around other people they talk to much to acually listen to the music.
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 18:58
Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 18:59
Yes.
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 18:59
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Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 19:04
Has anyone ever felt wierd listening to prog around strangers?
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 19:05
^you're both, J-Man and The Block, the same person under another username I presume....
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 19:05
I can't say that I ever have listened to prog with strangers...
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 19:06
The Quiet One wrote:
^you're both, J-Man and The Block, the same person under another username I presume....
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Nope. Don't worry. We're both online at the same time right now
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Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 19:07
This is just wierd.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 19:07
J-Man wrote:
The Quiet One wrote:
^you're both, J-Man and The Block, the same person under another username I presume....
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Nope. Don't worry. We're both online at the same time right now
-Jeff
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You can have two computers
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 19:08
As if I would need a second account as a Special Collaborator...
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 19:11
J-Man wrote:
As if I would need a second account as a Special Collaborator...
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That's what you told me on PM the other day
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 19:12
The Quiet One wrote:
J-Man wrote:
As if I would need a second account as a Special Collaborator...
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That's what you told me on PM the other day
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What??
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Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 19:13
Just to settle this I am NOT J-Man, nor is he me. We just know each other.
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 19:14
Sorry, Pablo, but this is ridiculous. This is my best friend Brian from school.
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Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 19:17
Thanks!
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 19:29
Gees guys, it was just a silly joke........ I even insterted a 'wink' emoticon......
sorry for the confusion and misleading the thread...
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 19:31
No problem Pablo Sorry, I completely took it the wrong way.
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Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 19:32
Sorry.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 19:33
^
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Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 19:37
Any way I always see people who I don't know looking at me wierd when I am listening to it. They just don't understand.
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 19:40
I sit next to some awesome dude on the bus who is a huge prog metal head! I was listening to The Morningside and he was listening to Isis on the way to school this morning Now before I sat to him, I constantly got asked "why are you listening to a 20 minute song!!"
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 19:43
J-Man wrote:
I sit next to some awesome dude on the bus who is a huge prog metal head! I was listening to The Morningside and he was listening to Isis on the way to school this morning Now before I sat to him, I constantly got asked "why are you listening to a 20 minute song!!"
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A girl used to do that to me. Every time she sat near me she would say "What are you listening to?" and then I would show her the screen of my mp3 player and she would be like "You're weird."
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Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 19:44
Same with Edge of Sanity. They were like, " A 40 minute song, who listens for that long?"
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Posted By: TheCaptain
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 19:46
Most of my friends know I listen to weird music but I was driving a few around one day and had Mike Oldfield's Amarok on. On of my friends looked at the dash and asked if it was really at 53 minutes of one song.
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Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 19:47
First time I saw Eckolyns mei I just said wow, and I like long songs.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 19:49
A Person wrote:
J-Man wrote:
I sit next to some awesome dude on the bus who is a huge prog metal head! I was listening to The Morningside and he was listening to Isis on the way to school this morning Now before I sat to him, I constantly got asked "why are you listening to a 20 minute song!!"
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A girl used to do that to me. Every time she sat near me she would say "What are you listening to?" and then I would show her the screen of my mp3 player and she would be like "You're weird."
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You're not alone, though my school is 'only' boys, so no girl to be ashamed of in my case
However I always answered them that it's like 3 or more seperated parts(songs) stuck together into one long one, and then they say "oh, cool, may I listen?" and when they do they go all "hmm...yeah...nice" and rapidly turns on their iPod with a 2 minute samey popular song everyone in the class knows about and start singing all together....
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 19:50
TheCaptain wrote:
Most of my friends know I listen to weird music but I was driving a few around one day and had Mike Oldfield's Amarok on. On of my friends looked at the dash and asked if it was really at 53 minutes of one song.
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EPIC!! Haha, that far I haven't gone, but stuff like 30 minutes or listening one song before the bell goes while my friends have already heard to 10 songs hahaha.
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Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 19:53
Hate most of those songs. It makes it hard to listen to awesome songs when people are singing their songs aloud. This one girl on my bus doesn't have an Ipod so she plays music out of her phone through the speakers. Very annoying.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 19:56
The Block wrote:
Hate most of those songs. It makes it hard to listen to awesome songs when people are singing their songs aloud. This one girl on my bus doesn't have an Ipod so she plays music out of her phone through the speakers. Very annoying. |
Despite huge country differences, we all seem to live the exact same things...
That happens a lot here too, whenever I get a cell phone with MP3(though not planning to) I'll play my stuff aloud to see what they think of it, what do you think of that?
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 20:07
I have some friends who also like prog, and there is my girlfriend whose tastes are pretty similar to mines, with that little group of people i can enjoy listening to prog music. But in the other hand, I have most of my friends who are not really into prog, so I prefer listening to other kind of music, such as Alternative or mainstream rock pop bands, with them, I actually don't like playing prog.
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Posted By: camilleanne
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 20:40
I have some friends in my class room..well sometimes I was telling them about Progressive Rock but they don't really care..TheY only care about Hanah Montana, The Jonas Brothers and other POp teen bands and some mainstream bands that sucks here in the Philippines (I'm not saying all).. .. And we had our field trip and the bus that we rode have speakers.,,, but the songs were all POP,so all day I was listening to it and even though I brought my Mp4 with me It's just so loud that I can barely hear the instruments..Then all was singing and enjoying the music except me ... I was really tortured that day but I prefer to be tortured by that songs than to enjoy them...Sadly I don't have any friends that shares the same age with me that is a progfan too
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: October 07 2009 at 00:52
moshkito wrote:
Hi,
I listen to advanced/progrressive/experimental music all the time ... and it is funny how sometimes people come around ... I was blasting my roomate with Porcupine Tree 9 years ago ... today he is blasting the new album! He was blaring Dream Theater ... and I could handle it fairly well since the musicianship in the band was obviously above par ... so he had some taste ...
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You're sh*t don't stink , congratulations. I guess I'm "under par" for enjoying some pop music and some fairly straight forward rock too
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: October 07 2009 at 02:00
Posted By: ColonelClaypool
Date Posted: October 07 2009 at 03:05
I only tend to have mates over during our weekly RPG sessions, and I usually stay away from prog during those times. One of the guys is a die-hard power metal fan (a genre which I absolutely cannot stand), another listens predominantly to indie (although he does like Zappa's Apostrophe. He also liked TAAB when I gave it to him) and the rest of the guys I'm not sure if they're into music at all. The playlist during those sessions usually consist of Classic Rock in an attempt to find something that should suit most people. Stuff like AC/DC, Zeppelin, Hendrix, Allman Brothers, The Who etc., but also bands like Metallica, Monster Magnet, Devin Townsend, QOTSA, Kyuss and so forth.
Would be an interesting experiment to expose them to Gong or ELP at some point
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