Why isn't progressive trance on this site?
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Topic: Why isn't progressive trance on this site?
Posted By: StrengthandWisdom
Subject: Why isn't progressive trance on this site?
Date Posted: August 20 2009 at 13:22
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I think Mind in a Box, and a few other bands are close enough to prog that they deserve attention here.. Mind in a Box's discography are concept albums that tie together to form a great story. I think people should check out 'Crossroads' its the third album in the story, but its the easiest to get into. |
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Posted By: Kestrel
Date Posted: August 20 2009 at 14:38
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If you think they belong here, suggest them in the http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=1 - Suggest New Artist/Bands board . Also a link to samples would be appreciated. Welcome to the boards! |
Posted By: mickstafa
Date Posted: August 20 2009 at 15:33
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I've wondered this too (a long time ago) and came to the conclusion that the word "progressive" means something else with trance music. But of course that horrible P-word gets everyone opining about its definition, so perhaps that isn't the best reason. The other (perhaps better) reason is that this is a prog-rock site, not a progressive music site, whatever that crazy word "progressive" actually means. Certainly if an electronic group/band fits the bill of what's outlined on the site, it should be considered for review! For instance, while I'm no friend of hip hop, Outkast's SpeakerBoxxx/Love Below album is in essence a concept album and quite progressive. But if we start to include that kind of genre, we are getting away from the prog-rock side of things, which one could argue, is why people come to this site. I wasn't too thrilled about some of the stretches the site has made regarding non-prog bands (such as Led Zeppelin) but at least those are still rock (with some progressive leanings). EDIT: Oh, BTW, I like good electronic music, so I'll check out that band.... Thanks for the suggestion!
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Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: August 20 2009 at 16:02
I don't think a concept album is the main criteria to make it progressive. Mind in a Box is a electro pop band. ------------- Music is the refuge of souls ulcerated by happiness. Emile M. Cioran |
StrengthandWisdom wrote:Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 20 2009 at 16:04
We'd add it except we're stuck in a progressive trance right now.  
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Posted By: Lota
Date Posted: August 20 2009 at 21:16
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Trance Music, isn't music. Sorry.!!!! ------------- And In The End, The Love You Take, Is Equal To The Love You Make |
Posted By: frbassdevil
Date Posted: August 20 2009 at 21:40
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If we were to add progressive trance to Prog Archives, we should add progressive house, progressive breaks and progressive drum & bass subgenres, as well. I think that artists belonging to these subgenres may fall in the already existing Progressive Electronic subgenre here in the archives, even though they may not sound like the traditional progressive electronic. |
Posted By: angelmk
Date Posted: August 20 2009 at 23:21
Yes, it is. if you don't like it , it doesn't mean it is not good. ------------- www.last.fm/user/angelmk 
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Posted By: Figglesnout
Date Posted: August 20 2009 at 23:28
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: August 20 2009 at 23:33
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: August 20 2009 at 23:41
  If there are any modern electronic bands that should be added, Aphex Twin would be first on my list. |
Posted By: Leningrad
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 00:02
everything but country and rap
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 00:39
| mickstafa is right about 'progressive' having a somewhat different meaning in trance music, I would add that if a music has no detectable or musicologic connection to rock - as opposed to much electronic prog which does - it probably doesn't belong here |
Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 01:14
Perfectly put!  ------------- 
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Posted By: KingCrimson250
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 01:16
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^^Yeah, that's probably the best answer. If we were to start throwing in everything that was progressive, rather than just rock and rock-related, then this site would become so broad and open that it would completely lose focus and wouldn't be very useful at all. Mozart was creative, innovative, and extremely influencial, but it would be a bit silly to have him listed as "Proto-Prog," don't you think? Maybe consider forming TranceArchives |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 08:19
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Because there already is progressive electronic
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Posted By: StrengthandWisdom
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 19:53
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I got some sampled up if anyone is interested. The 3 albums in the discography together form a story set in an Orwellian futuristic society. The albums have high emphasis on the concept. The protagonist, Black, is a hacker. I recommend listening to all 3 albums in order at once, because its all about the flow and feel of emotions. Here are some sample tracks. I'm pretty hooked on Identity, and Redefined gives a very chilling feeling. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcuB3jmIqmU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocMgdP177AM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqj6f8iGjfA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJNUpZyaqx0 |
Posted By: g0rd0nb0mbay
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 19:56
Aphex Twin isnt a band but him,squarepusher.autechre,boards of canada etc.. would certainly be welcome additions to the prog-electronic family!!------------- http://www.last.fm/user/g0rd0nb0mbay/?chartstyle=basicrt10"> 
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 20:01
I wonder why...
Darn right. Say "NO!" to new music. |
Posted By: StrengthandWisdom
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 20:08
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I think we should at LEAST add Mind in a Box on this site. They are labeled as futurepop but are a lot closer to Progressive Trance. Thus they are a Prog electronic band. Our prog electronic section is mostly ambient music. Or perhaps, we should add an electronic archives site for all electronic music including IDM and 90's industrial. |
Posted By: StrengthandWisdom
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 20:09
| Aphex Twin isn't prog electronic. |
Posted By: g0rd0nb0mbay
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 20:41
no but "mind in a box" are :\ , is anyone else starting to think this is a joke poster? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/g0rd0nb0mbay/?chartstyle=basicrt10">
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Posted By: StrengthandWisdom
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 20:58
You moron. Aphex Twin are Ambient/IDM. Mind in a Box are progressive trance/futurepop. |
Posted By: g0rd0nb0mbay
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 21:15
For the second time Aphex Twin IS one person. There is nothing progressive about trance music or anything on metropolis records. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/g0rd0nb0mbay/?chartstyle=basicrt10">
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 21:18
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Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 21:18
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I would like to see Aphex and squarepusher on here.There's so many good progressive dance bands but I imagine the shymphonic prog fans would throw a fit.
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Posted By: g0rd0nb0mbay
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 21:21
sorry man,i dont mean to come across as pedantic, its just a pet hate of mine along with people who call aphex "the aphex twins". ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/g0rd0nb0mbay/?chartstyle=basicrt10">
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 21:30
| Hmm, from the only Mind in a box song I've heard they kind of remind me of Depeche Mode. Interesting, but I don't know why it should be on PA. The electronic music already on here is completely different, I've been surreptitiously bumping the IDM thread to try to get more interest, but it seems futile. I'm happy with the genres the way they are right now, and they probably aren't going to change any time soon, otherwise I'd like to see some more modern prog electronic additions on PA. |
Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: August 22 2009 at 14:15
Regardless if that is the genre of not.He's certainly progressive and electronic,that can't be denied. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: August 22 2009 at 20:19
He is fairly eclectic too. He has made piano only songs. |
Posted By: russellk
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 02:20
You might want to revisit the prog electronic albums listed on this site, the vast majority of which have at best a tenuous connection to rock music. Far, far less than does 90s electronica. Look, it's as simple as this. There's no logical reason to keep 90s prog electronica out of PA. It's not here because the team responsible for progressive electronic music don't want it here. Remember that this team relegated Jean Michel Jarre and Vangelis to prog-related so as not to sully their concept of what progressive electronic is. If that could be widely disseminated we'd avoid these continued requests for popular electronic acts to be considered. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 05:01
Seems that prog related has become sort of a ghetto like art rock used to be. Lots of artists are there that might fit better into other sub-genres if the folks that are on those teams accept them. Far be it for me to bitch about that. This site is flexible and if you make a convincing argument for a change of category or an addition, it can happen. Personally I'd move Jarre and Vangelis and Synergy into progressive electronic. It's not my call though. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: TheSubhuman
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 09:59
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Why? Because far too many members of this site can't act like the adults they are whenever something out of their personal comfort zone is suggested. Most people don't care about genuinely progressive music, but about how much band X or artist Y sounds like the classic Seventies acts - cue the proliferation of threads about how post-rock is not prog, or anything to that effect. Now, I have no experience of progressive trance (which I regret), but I have experience of listening and reviewing stuff that would probably never set foot on PA, in spite of being a damn sight more interesting (and yes, PROGRESSIVE) than the plethora of sub-par imitators of Yes, Genesis, ELP and what not. |