jazz fusion
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Topic: jazz fusion
Posted By: buliwyf
Subject: jazz fusion
Date Posted: April 20 2004 at 01:13
| I've been told that i would really like jazz fusion. Anyone have any recommendations for the genre? I'm really into the more technical and complicated stuff, not just something you might hear in an elevator. what should i check out? |
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Posted By: buliwyf
Date Posted: April 20 2004 at 02:09
there must be someone out there who likes jazz fusion 
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Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: April 20 2004 at 02:33
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There are many good bands in this genre, but start with Mahavishnu Orchestra " Inner Mounting Flame "
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Posted By: diddy
Date Posted: April 20 2004 at 07:20
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Or try Brand X 'Unorthodox Behaviour' it's with Phil Collins on Drums... But you said that you're more into the technical side...yes then try Mahavishnou Orchestra 'The inner mounting flame' ------------- If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear... George Orwell |
Posted By: Hammar
Date Posted: April 20 2004 at 07:43
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Mahavishnu Orchestra is a must! You might also like Return To Forever with Chick Corea. Their album Romantic Warrior is highly recommended. Other startingpoints: Weather Report, Larry Corryell's Eleventh House ("barefoot boy" and "introducing larry..." are brilliant!) and John Abercrombie. I recently bought Pat Metheny's American Garage and that album fits in here as well! Has become one of my favourite fusion albums... |
Posted By: Hammar
Date Posted: April 20 2004 at 07:54
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Aight, I HAVE to mention Billy Cobham (Spectum!! Gee!! And the frenchmen Philippe and Lucas might have a few additions....?
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) and the Canterbury bands Soft Machine, Hatfield & the North and National Health as well. All technically brilliant!! Takes a little time to remember the bands...
Posted By: Stormcrow
Date Posted: April 20 2004 at 07:55
| I would recommend, along with all of the above, HERBIE HANCOCK'S jazz-funk fusion "Headhunters", BILL BRUFORD'S "One Of A Kind", JEFF BECK'S "Blow By Blow" and "Wired" and MILES DAVIS' transcendent "Bitches Brew". |
Posted By: Stormcrow
Date Posted: April 20 2004 at 08:11
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Cobham taking out his Mahavishnu frustrations on his kit. Jan Hammer doing some of his best work ever. Tommy Bolin providing his trademark Stratocaster pyrotechnics. Truly great stuff! |
Hammar wrote:
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: April 20 2004 at 11:12
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: April 20 2004 at 11:33
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Quote: I've been told that i would really like jazz fusion. Anyone have any recommendations for the genre? I'm really into the more technical and complicated stuff, not just something you might hear in an elevator. what should i check out? Check out Stuart Nicholson's excellent book "Jazz Rock: A History" for its excellent and long discography compiled by the managing editor of Jazzwise magazine(and prog-rock and jazz rock freak) Jon Newey. Jon Newey also wrote an article for the the magazine Mojo Collectibles magazine, where he gave his essential top ten jazz rock albums - I could hardly fault his collection perhaps with the exception of a specific Scott Henderson entry. However, I have a top 25 already published, so can I humbly suggest you check out on Amazon.UK: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/listmania/list-browse/-/RPLR4BTT3SJC/026-9173661-4630052 - http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/listmania/list-browse /-/RPLR4BTT3SJC/026-9173661-4630052
Dick Heath
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Posted By: Hammar
Date Posted: April 20 2004 at 12:02
Ohyeah! Truly mindblowing!! The first word that comes to my mind is "hurricane". The music is like a strong wind. Cobham = trrrrrrr
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, and Hammer is esssential on this album! Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: April 20 2004 at 12:21
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You might want to check out the French Canadian fusion band UZEB I've seen them many times and consider the bass player Alain Caron to be one of the top jazz bassists on the planet. Stuff I would recomend: Gateway- John Abercrombie Back Together Again- Larry Coryell & Alphonse Mouzon with Belgian guitarist Philip Catherine and John Lee on bass (this is available through Wounded Bird records in NYC) Elegant Gypsy and Tour De Force by Al DiMeola I Wanna Play for You- Stanley Clarke Live In New York-Jaco Pastorious Spectrum- Billy Cobha Whoa! So much great stuff I could go on and on but these are a few of my faves. Can't forget The Inner Mounting Flame by the Mahavishnu Orchestra, this would be the best place to start. |
Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: April 20 2004 at 12:35
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interesting & classic recommendations...but for specialists I would advise works by Billy Cobham, Stanley Clark, Bunny Brunell in their respective solo albums...especially Cab2 concerning the last guy...also Holdsworth's Atavachon, Tony Williams lifetime's the collection...all supreme stuffs!!! ------------- 
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Posted By: progchain
Date Posted: April 20 2004 at 12:47
Return to Forever, Chick Corea rules!
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Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: April 20 2004 at 13:21
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Jean-Luc Ponty " Enigmatic Ocean "
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: April 20 2004 at 13:32
| Yeah Ponty had a lot of great stuff back in the seventies. |
Posted By: Hammar
Date Posted: April 20 2004 at 13:40
With Allan Holdsworth (of course) |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: April 20 2004 at 13:47
| Yeah I saw Ponty open up for Supertramp and Egocentric Molecules but it wasn't Holdsworth on guitar unfortunately. |
Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: April 20 2004 at 13:57
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Well Holdsworth never stayed long in any combos. U.K-Soft Machine-Jean-Luc Ponty-Gong........ Yes Hammar, Cosmic Messenger is also a great album
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Heja Norge 
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: April 20 2004 at 14:01
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Al DiMeola - Land of the Midnight Sun & Elegant Gypsy Stanley Clarke - School Days Brand X - Masques & Morroccan Roll Jeff Beck & Jan Hammar - Live Early Weather Report Pat Metheny Bela Fleck and the Flecktones UZEB Steve Morse Band Happy exploring! ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Tons of great recommendations here, also check out:Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: April 20 2004 at 15:52
Actually, Steve Morse has headed a little away from his jazz-fusion debuts in Dixie Dregs in his trio and the Steve Morse Band plays more of a melodic heavy-prog stuff. I think Dixie Dregs' "What if" is a must-have for every fusion fan. Moreover I would recommend the following artists for someone looking for the most complicated stuff : SPASTIC INK : "Ink complete" (very unique and truly mind-blowing) DEREK SHERINIAN : "Planet X" (with the incomparable Virgil Donati on drums) THE BRECKER BROTHERS : "Heavy-metal be-bop" (With another amazing drummer : Terry Bozzio) ZAPPA : "live in NYC 1977" (once again with Bozzio) THE NEW TONY WILLIAMS LIFETIME : "Believe it" (with the genial Holdsworth on the guitar) AL DI MEOLA: the first three albums COLOSSEUM II : "Strange new flesh" (Gary Moore on top form) ISOTOPE : "Deep end" NATHAN MAHL : "Heretik volume III : the sentence" ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: April 20 2004 at 22:14
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Don't forget Kazumi Watanabe. The Japanese Jeff Beck. His early stuff is incredible and has a killer vibe. Any of the MOBO albums are great, but the Spice of Life (and SOL Too) has Bruford and Jeff Berlin. Frank Gambale and Scott Henderson smoke...... Al Di Meola - Early stuff. Carl Verheyen - Garage Sale, No Borders.... Chad Wackerman - Forty Reasons - Holdsworth's best non-Holdsworth album. Gongzilla - Suffer. |
Posted By: Hammar
Date Posted: April 21 2004 at 06:40
Greetings Velvetclown! Skal du til Slottskogen Goes Progressive i August?? Holdsworth sticked to him self for a while at least....
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Posted By: Hammar
Date Posted: April 21 2004 at 06:50
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You b****rd!! Danbo: What do you recommend of Gambale? I've only got Passages and it's ok.
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: April 21 2004 at 06:53
The maestro doesn't need to. Btw check out everyone of the Holdsworth releases (unprecedented, especially the the two live albums, at the top my list) of the last 2 years; "All Night Wrong" (Sony) "Then!" (Alternity) "Flat Tire" (Megazoidal) Soft Works (2002 recording with former Machinists) (Moon June) New Tony Williams Lifetime: " Believe It" (reissue with 2 bonus tracks) (Sony Jazz Remasters) "Road Games" (CD issue) (Gnarly Geezer) (And of course part of the Soft Machine: "BBC 1971-74") Gary Husband during a radio interview with me, reckons there is another live album in the can - btw check out Husband's Holdsworth tribute "Things I See" (Art Of Life ). There are also rumours of a recording with Buckethead in the offing. |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: April 21 2004 at 07:54
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I would agree with Hammar, earlier in this thread regarding 'Spectrum' by Billy Cobham, but I'd also go for Electric Savage, by Colosseum II (again, Gary Moore on fine form & just listen to Hiseman on the closing 'interstellar strut').
I may have missed it, but I don't think anyone has mentioned the seminal Weather Report yet. To get an idea what a fusion powerhouse this band was, get a hold of their 1978 live album '8:30', all 4 of them at the height of their powers, especially Pastorius. ------------- 
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: April 21 2004 at 08:08
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Nej Hammar tyvärr, skall resa till Skottland i augusti Sorry for including some Klingon lingo in here
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: April 21 2004 at 08:31
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I did! Nyah Nyah nyah! Yeah, Weather Report were great, especially in the Jaco days.
------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Sad, his coke-fueled ignominious demise.... That white powder is concentrated evil!
Posted By: Hammar
Date Posted: April 21 2004 at 08:43
I did too , but such a band deserves to be mentioned more than one time! Anyone heard the selftitled Jaco album?? Puh, he might be my favourite bass-player!!
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Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: April 21 2004 at 10:50
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Jaco was the Hendrix of the Bass guitar. He played some unbelievable stuff. Ever hear the Metheny album he did with Bob Moses? I wish I still had that one; Bright Size Life, I think?
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Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: April 21 2004 at 11:00
I had Thunder from Down Under, the Great Explorers and MVP: Truth in Shredding (Just re-issued). MVP (Mark Varney Project) had Holdsworth and Gambale. Steve Tavaglione plays some great sax and EWI, BTW. The problem I had with the album was Holdsworth and Gambale didn't actually play together in the same room, trading solos. That spontaneity would have been incredible. |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: April 21 2004 at 11:34
Another album worth hearing for his work is Joni Mitchell's 'Shadows & Light' -------------
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: arqwave
Date Posted: April 21 2004 at 14:13
| you must start with Chick Corea and return to forever, and Weather Report, also, Herbie Hancock (headhunters, an outstanding album), Al di Meola, Pat metheny, Vital Information, and the project od Steve Smith, Victor Wooten and Scott Henderson: VITALTECHTONES, that is a hell of a record... and so many more, there´s a parallel Fusion universe to prog |
Posted By: RobJ
Date Posted: April 21 2004 at 14:15
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Jaco opened the door and the rest of us bass players walked through after him. Bass players at all levels recognize and revere Jaco as the one who defined the electric bass as a serious instrument in the jazz world. Listen to any modern fusion or jazz bassist and you will hear his influence. No one played like Jaco, there is bass before him and bass after him. He was also a great composer who Joe Zawinul called a genius. Jaco's solo album is incredible, it's been said that bass cases all over the world slammed shut when it came out. Jaco had raised the bar so high that many were discouraged. 8:30 is an excellent Weather Report album, I highly recommend it. Bright Size Life and Shadow and Light are great too, showcasing Jaco as a sideman. I have pretty much everything he did before he started to really lose touch in the mid 80's. Much of his work with his post Weather Report band Word of Mouth is awesome too, though some of it may be a bit too abstract for many. Jaco died way too young, 35, he was beaten to death outside a bar in Ft. Lauderdale Fla. Jaco had many problems leading up to his demise, not the least of which was manic depression. It's said there is a fine line between genius and insanity, I believe Jaco slid across the line at some point and just couldn't make it back. |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: April 26 2004 at 06:53
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Quote: Another album worth hearing for his work is Joni Mitchell's 'Shadows & Light'
But get the US double CD not the edited down single CD version. And the DVD of the show re-emerged last year (was released on laserdisc in Japan only before?), Metheny, Pastorius and Brecker are on absolute top form - pity the director spoils my all time favourite jazz rock track "Dry Cleaner From Des Moines" by running footage of cheesey Las Vegas nightlife, when we could be watching probably the most exciting duet ever, unfold between Pastorius and Brecker - hopeful the footage of it exists in the archives. |
Posted By: bityear
Date Posted: April 26 2004 at 07:09
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I saw Scott henderson being mention twice, and that's not enough! He, along with his Tribal Tech buddies, are all among the most influential fusion players today. Gary Willis, if someone, has to be counted as Jaco's heir.
Tribal Tech are essential for fusion listeners, I highly recommend them. "Thick" might be their worst album, but the others are great. Virgil Donati played drums with them for a while, his solo stuff (released both as Virgil Donati (band) and On The Virg) is also high-quality fusion, although sometimes with a bit more metal throwed in. His and Derek Sherinian's band Planet X as well as Spastic Ink are probably fusion with more metal influences, great bands. Mike Stern, Frank Gambale, Allan Holdsworth, early Al diMeola, and DAVE WECKL fer godsake, they're great ones. There's also bands like Vertu out there, newer and still quite obscure. ------------- www.geocities.com/joelbitars |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: April 26 2004 at 07:31
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Yes Scott Henderson for versatility - check out his rock'n'roll and blues/soul albums. I really enjoyed TT's "Rocket Science" - any band who bring back the ring modulator into the modern day have to be heard. One of my favourite jazz rock flavoured albums of the last 5 years or so was Mastermind's tribute to Mahavishnu Orchestra, "Excelsior!" - which gets in before TT with the ring modulators! But to me Pastorius's inheritor is Jonas Hellborg master of the acoustic bass guitar and seemingly one of the few who stays with the 4 string electric bass - I'm told he wrote the definitive book on slap-bass playing techniques. Listen to many of the Day Eight Music (Hellborg's own label) and Bardo releases from 1987(which Bityear I hope you find easier to get than me here in the UK), shows Hellborg to be musicians of great depth and breadth, and prepared to experiment extensively. In particular his work with the late and lamented Shawn Lane. Vertu didn't last that long did they? And one of the great lost 90's albums, increasingly said to be the best jazz rock albums of the last decade, is Conrad Schrenk's Extravaganza's "Save The Robots" (check out the Fusenet jazz rock discussion group archives on the web for confirmation). Schrenk's guitarwork has been said to be Steve Vai with jazz chords. Schrenk has to let the album get reissued or else the word will only be spread by boot copies. |