Prog Guitar Effects
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Topic: Prog Guitar Effects
Posted By: yesman1972
Subject: Prog Guitar Effects
Date Posted: June 19 2009 at 18:08
| I was wondering if anyone can give me info on the effects used by Steve Hackett, Steve Howe, Robert Fripp, Gary Green and pretty much pretty much any classic prog guitarist. Thanks. |
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Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: June 19 2009 at 23:16
| Can you be more specific? I would assume they would follow the usual....overdrive/fuzz, echo, wah, flanger, phaser.... |
Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 02:50
| Fripp invented his own guitar effects, called Frippertronics. Hackett does wonders with the Echoplex and the tremolo bar on his Fernandes electric. The best effect from Steve Howe is the fact the he reclaimed the electric slide guitar for something other than country-western. It's the only way to use the electric slide! |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 02:53
^ My Variax guitar has a Sitar model ... I could amplify it a bit (clean amp model with slight distortion) and then use a slide. Slide Sitar ... I wonder who ever did that before.
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Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 05:03
And then he put TONS of echo on it! Just think of AND YOU AND I or SOON. When Howe is good, he's really good, but on a bad night he makes a mess of it... |
prog4evr wrote:Posted By: GaryB
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 11:02
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This topic will probably get moved to Tech Talk where there are several ongoing threads about amp-modeling and various effects pedals. A knowledgeable guitarist can get a variety of sounds from a guitar with four knobs and a selector switch in addition to the various amp settings. When you add a pedal and a couple of stomp boxes your choice of sounds is multiplied. This doesn't even include the more recent "digital" effects that are available. I think the best way to find out who uses (or used) what to get their sound is to research the net for interviews. "How do you get your sound?" is a pretty common question in these interviews and most guitarists like talking about their gear or gear in general.
Try starting with Guitar Player's website. Most sites like that keep a lot of interviews in their archives. Let us know what you find.
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Posted By: yesman1972
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 13:33
| Thanks all. Yes, Howe is a beast. I was looking at some photos of Genesis, and I saw a bunch of unrecognizable effects at the feet of Mr. Hackett. I was just wondering if anyone might have read about them somewhere. I have an interview with Hackett in an issue of Guitar Player in which they mention his use of lots of effects, but what the effects specifically were didn't come up. Fripp claims that he never used much besides fuzz pedals in the old days. Howe uses tremelo, chorus and wah on some of the Yes studio stuff. My goal is to see if any of the specific models they used are still being made. I doubt many are. |
Posted By: yesman1972
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 13:38
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I found something of interest to any Hackett fan. I was browsing the exhibits at genesismuseum.com and found a layout of Hackett's effects and Collins' drums. http://www.genesismuseum.com/mags/ciao2001may74.htm Neat stuff!!! |
Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: June 22 2009 at 05:37
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EVERYONE LOOK AT THIS!
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: June 22 2009 at 06:01
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^Wow, because that's news and hasn't been out for a while now *rolls eyes*
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: June 22 2009 at 06:49
^ I hadn't heard of it before ... 
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 23 2009 at 12:19
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Hi,
You should be able to find this information on the internet ... the only problem with this is that these guys have things done for them individually to match a lot of their own talents and abilities ...
I would not consider trying to learn these in bulk ... you better get comfortable with one effect so you know what you are doing ... or it's gonna go south real quick and you will not sound good. Whatever you do, do not try to sound like anyone else ... that is the mark of "copy" ... not original.
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Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: June 23 2009 at 12:25
Ehh... You're blowing it way outta proportion. I'm not saying it wasn't original, but slide wasn't just country western. Chicago blues already had some pretty heavy slide that Steve wasn't as far off of
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Posted By: GaryB
Date Posted: June 24 2009 at 09:59
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I have been a fan of slide (or bottleneck) guitar for as long as I can remember. I've always liked Ry Cooder, Leo Kotke, early Ron Wood and Billy Gibbons. And of course, Duane Allman. As a kid I saw a lot of country music on TV but didn't pay attention to it because the pedal steel was not a standard guitar and the Dobro was strapped on but held flat like a pedal steel. So it was basically blues and rock slide that I became a fan of. I'm glad the slide style remained after the blues crusade period faded away. |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 11:00
| Fripp talks in detail here about his gear: http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?entry=18446 - http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?entry=18446 |
Posted By: thechrisl
Date Posted: November 11 2010 at 15:59
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Howe used a lot of FX at various stages. Slapback echo, fender amps seem to be a common theme. Someone mentioned it I think but a lot of the slide you hear (like To Be Over, Gates of Delirium) is really lap/pedal steel. Great book here but out of print, wtf? http://www.amazon.com/Steve-Howe-Guitar-Collection/dp/0879302909 - http://www.amazon.com/Steve-Howe-Guitar-Collection/dp/0879302909 Amp makes a big difference too. Something I found out recently -- Hackett, Fripp, Lifeson, Martin Barre and of course Gilmour all had at least one thing associated with their most famous works -- Hi-Watt! Fripp in a '74 interview: Why did you happen to stick with a Hi-Watt amplifier? Because it's a fairly versatile amplifier, since I needed a change in sound, and I don't like valve amplifiers for guitar. I've had new cabinets built for me with Electro-Voice speakers in them, and I'm most impressed. I used to use a Marshall. It was good for me at the time, but I felt the Hi-Watt was a little more versatile. I think Marshall is probably better for, or at least as good for, live raucous music, but I haven't found anyone using Marshall for some time. Everyone seems to have gone to Hi-Watt. How do you hook up the guitar and amplifier? I plug into the brilliant channel with a jump lead from the brilliant to the normal. In other words, I feed the brilliant signals into the normal, and then turn that up [the normal channel] to equal the brilliant. It adds bottom. Hi-Watt has a volume control for normal and brilliant channels, and a master volume to do the overall level. If you want to have a pure sound you turn your master up and your individual volumes down. Now you find certain changes in tone, the ratio between the two. I use the master volume down and the individual volumes both up to get a rather hairy sound even at a very low level. It also depends on the guitar working with its pick-up volume on full. |
Posted By: thechrisl
Date Posted: November 11 2010 at 16:07
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Hackett & Howe did a lot of volume pedal swells too. Dead ringer for early Lifeson sound (if you're into that) would be a Maestro PS-1a phaser. Instant Caress of Steel! http://www.effectsdatabase.com/model/maestro/ps1a - http://www.effectsdatabase.com/model/maestro/ps1a I've been thinking about this stuff for many years... |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: November 11 2010 at 16:13
Actually, Eno introduced him to the tape-based delay system. Fripp used it extensively in the 70s and 80s. By the 90s and 00s, he went for a digital approach based on several expensive rackmount units. Check 'em out at http://www.guitarcraftguitars.com/rfgear/#Alunar - http://www.guitarcraftguitars.com/rfgear/#Alunar |
Posted By: Mifesto
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 20:11
| The main thing with the use of effects is creativity. I think that when your your trying to replicate a style, whether it be prog, metal, etc., it really limits you by setting perimeters on the effects musics sound. The best thing i can suggest is just messing around with some effects to see what you like and then you can be the judge of whats prog and what isn't. |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: November 22 2010 at 10:46
EHX pedals are all stuff you might need ------------- |
Posted By: Nakatira
Date Posted: November 22 2010 at 19:56
Very nice
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Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: November 23 2010 at 10:25
I want to recommend you to hear some post rock/metal groups.Then I want you to tell me your opinion about the guitar effects that they use. |
Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: February 13 2011 at 16:27
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Posted By: bogg808
Date Posted: February 13 2011 at 19:28
| IMO, EHX are fairly bottom of the barrel, I'd look more into Eventide/Diamond/Strymon/Analogman/Mad Professor |
Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: February 14 2011 at 15:07
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I just did that using only four pedals. Remember, be creative enough so that one pedal multiplies your abilities not just gives you a little edge, you don't want to be heavily reliant upon a lot of pedals, they should just embellish. However that thing I recorded was done in one take and the pedals are much less subtle than usual......I was a little out there at the time so forgive it's weirdness and some slightly sloppy sections. Really though, thats some pretty FX'd guitar ------------- Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell? I will not forgive you if you will not take the chance. |
Posted By: The Wrinkler
Date Posted: March 04 2011 at 17:04
| What effect is good for making spacey landscape sounds? |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: March 04 2011 at 17:12
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Posted By: bogg808
Date Posted: March 04 2011 at 18:13
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Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: March 04 2011 at 19:26
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Posted By: sturoc
Date Posted: January 22 2012 at 23:45
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Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 09:18
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Posted By: sturoc
Date Posted: January 23 2012 at 09:41
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A good digital chorus unit in addition a high quality digital reverb unit preferably w/ stereo outs. That is the key to atmospheric spatial separation. Digital delay, you must experiment with the delay times per your liking..Unless you like generating noise type effects- the analog stuff save for the RE -201 Space Echo, will bring alot of noise ( Hiss) into your sound. Experiment Experiment Experiment ! |
Posted By: Blasteroid
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 07:46
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Has anyone had any experience with the Vox Phantoms? 6/12 or even the Organ Guitar. Ive watched a few Videos on them and they seem very temperamental. And hard to get a hold of to try. So I was wondering if anyone had any feed back on them? |
Posted By: Fathergolem
Date Posted: April 18 2012 at 17:00
| Well, I love the sustainer in Fernandes guitars. It's a very useful effect most for studio recording, but I think the best you can do is to have the route to effects and route to dry sound totally separated. It's what i'm into now. You can use the effect you need in a specific passage, but it's important to have a solid guitar sound. At last, it's rock... |
Posted By: Camelfloyd
Date Posted: May 17 2012 at 07:30
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Posted By: sturoc
Date Posted: May 31 2012 at 10:16
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Pedal setups for guys like Hackett etc change constantly Just look at Holdsworth over time how much he has changed his backline gear and guitars. The main thing is to keep noise levels low. Some pedals of old retain a characteristic that new ones just can't seem to emulate 100%. take an afternoon go to the nearest Musical Instrument shop and try all pedals in different combinations. Only then will you find what you like, not by someone posting about pedal 'X' or rack unit 'Y' It really comes down to this: Are you the player or do you let the effects play you ??? |
Posted By: pitfall
Date Posted: June 29 2012 at 15:55
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I'm pretty sure that Steve Hackett used a Shaftsbury duo fuzz on the first few Genesis albums. This has a distinctive sound but is difficult to find and is expensive. Some germanium transistor fuzz boxes currently available can get close to it for a lot less. As for digital effects, I always end up using analogue - most modern stuff is quiet enough for recording and invariably sounds far better in my opinion.
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Posted By: Meta
Date Posted: August 23 2012 at 09:25
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Steve Howe didn't really use a whole lot of effects back in the 70s. Some of the effects he did use were a fuzz face (think Yours is No Disgrsace on Yessongs), Electro Harmonix Memory Man, and a whole lot of volume pedal. ------------- http://www.heavymeta.net" rel="nofollow - Meta's Official Website |
Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 24 2012 at 09:36
There's many different kinds of delay/echo units you could use but you can get some wacky sounds with this:  ------------- “Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov |