Popular Prog Bands that you just can't get into
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Topic: Popular Prog Bands that you just can't get into
Posted By: souio
Subject: Popular Prog Bands that you just can't get into
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 14:01
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Everyone has a band that seems to be immensely popular on this site that just doesn't seem to click with people. For me, it's IQ. I have no idea why exactly. I've tried listening to The Wake about 10 times and, while there are moments on the album which I enjoy, I just can't seem to get into it. Same with Subterranea. Their debut album seems to be my "favorite" album for me, but I just can't seem to get into them. Which is strange as two of my favorite bands are Marillion and Pendragon. What are some bands that you can't quite get into? |
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 14:03
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Magma. I keep listening though. Sometimes things "click". I mean Magma fans can't be wrong....can they? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: proggy
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 14:14
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Gentle Giant
VDGG
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Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 14:24
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MAGMA FOR ME TOO... But i know why. I don't like much Jazz and especially when it's weird like Magma!
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 14:25
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Magma, VDGG, and per recent Shred Room discussion, The Mars Volta. ------------- 
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Posted By: rosenbach
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 14:26
| For me IQ, Flower Kings and Porcupine Tree. |
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 14:27
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VdGG and Dream Theater . Just can't get it ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 14:32
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Rush. I never understood all the fuss about them. Good musicians, though not as exceptional as their fans try to make them, but the music is nothing special at all.
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 14:38
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Camel, Caravan, and Gong...boring blah! ------------- 
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Posted By: infandous
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 14:40
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For me it's Magma.........but also a number of neo-prog and prog-metal bands (Pendragon, Arena, Jadis, Symphony X for a couple examples). Strangely, I saw Magma twice at Nearfest. The first time I appreciated their performance, but can't say I really enjoyed it much. The second time I thought they were fantastic. After both times I tried some of their studio and live recorded material. Both times they didn't appeal to me. Very strange. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 14:43
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Deleted by Snow dog...cuz I don't like it anymore.( don't worry its widely quoted later!)
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 14:47
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I've opened myself, in the last two years, to almost every genre (except metal). I usually appreciate and dislike accordingly, without thinking too much that something I don't like is immensely praised. I do have a grudge with ELP however, and while I like Yes' classics (minus Close To The Edge, which isn't on the podium of the galaxy, not even by a long shot), they're cold in my top preferences. I solved my differences with Zappa it seems, as I can fully enjoy some of his best stuff, as of late. The two bands left to be mentioned would thus be Kraftwerk (here I'm really antipathic) and Deep Purple (never clicked enough for me, especially after the early 70s). ------------- 
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Posted By: Captain Capricorn
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 14:47
| The ones for me are Marillion & The Flower Kings ...I have absolutely no idea what all of the praise is about. |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 14:50
Ok so you don't like them but that knife turning at the end! To say GONG are boring (Cotton Buds needed) NEVER boring NEVER conventional (Unlike most modern prog and a lot of old).
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StyLaZyn wrote:Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 14:50
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 14:53
Excuse me? I fully stated they are good musicians. I just don't buy that Neil Peart is the überdrummer who is miles ahead of any others. He is a very good drummer, but there are several other drummers who are equally good. This is what I want to put into perspective, and nothing else. Many bands have great musicians, not just Rush; that is all I wanted to state. Got it now? ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 14:58
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Deleted by me again. Is this censorship? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 14:59
I'm not a huge fan of Kraftwerk either, I started out opposed to Electronic Prog, but I have come to love TD and Schulze. I have never liked neo prog, I was thinking of giving it a try soon. I had to work at some bands before I could appreciate them, like Magma, but some clicked right away, I got into Canterbury very easily. I have Been listening to the Radio Gnome Invisible trilogy pretty exclusively for the last couple days.  I think that the hardest part of getting into a band is that you already come with preconceptions that can limit the extent of your enjoyment. The best thing to do is to try and forget everything and try to re-experience the music as if it's the first time you have heard it without any prior knowledge. It's hard to like Magma when you think "Oh yeah, that one band that chants like a bunch of baboons on helium." |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 14:59
I have tried so hard to give all of them a chance over and over. Camel I can somewhat get into but it would never be a play for enjoyment. And there is boring unconventional music. Gong happens to be one of those.  -------------
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Posted By: Evolutionary Sleeper
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 15:02
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Rush Yes VdGG Dream Theater ELP The Flower Kings ------------- 
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 15:04
No way! He's not the best ever?  Of course there are other great drummers. Dave Weckl and Gavin Harrison are two drummers, IMO, that are much better than Peart, but I still love his style of playing. Rush is a love 'em or hate 'em band. It is what it is. -------------
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 15:08
You obviously have not understood a word I wrote. I was not even criticizing the musicians of Rush. The only thing I criticize is the behaviour of their fans. I have nothing against people liking certain musicians; everyone has their favourite one, and that's fine with me. I have my personal favorites too. But I am not declaring them to be über-musicians. The musicians of Rush are excellent; I never doubted that. So where is your problem? ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 15:10
Never mind I would give up. Enjoyment being a pretty important product of music! There is plenty more good music out there to explore,, One day you may find you appreciate GONG - I'll have to think about a boring unconventional band?   Floating Anarchieee!------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 15:11
I apologise. I should have kept my annoyance in check. BTW......I understood...don't patronise me please. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 15:15
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Let's see, the Flower Kings are a pretty obvious choice. I don't see their genius, they seem pretty standard to me.
I've taken a couple listens to Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh, and I have to say that it hasn't helped me appreciate Magma at all. So far to me it only sounds like weird chanting and singing. I'm not reviewing the album though until I feel I 'get' what all their fans are raving about.
Also I do enjoy Frank Zappa a bit, but I'm afraid his somewhat more fusiony stuff like The Grand Wazoo sounds kind of boring to me.
That's about it. ------------- 
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Posted By: mirco
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 15:15
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Gentle Giant for me. ------------- Please forgive me for my crappy english! |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 15:18
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Posted By: paulwalker71
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 15:25
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The first one that springs to mind is Jethro Tull. I can't see them as anything special. And to a lesser extent, ELP (although I've perhaps not given them a fair chance) |
Posted By: Steven in Atlanta
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 15:43
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And I concur with the others before me as Rush has never appealed to me in the slightest. Great musicians with great chops, no doubt, but their albums leave me completely unmoved. Different strokes, I guess. |
Posted By: SergiUriah
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 15:47
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Although a few songs from these bands may be interesting for me....
PINK FLOYD
TANGERINE DREAM
FLOWER KINGS
LE ORME ------------- http://img229.imageshack.us/i/bonfirma.jpg/"> 
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 16:02
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There are quite a few that I'm just not into anymore. It's common for music to pall over time for me. With Rush, some of the music clicked in a big way, but I never developed much appreciation for the band (some albums I certainly enjoyed). Really, I haven't put much effort into trying to get into bands. If an album doesn't have quick appeal, I don't force the album or band's stuff on myself. I like what I like and don't expect others to have the same tastes (of course there are those who share similar tastes to mine), and I don't expect to like what others really like (unless I already know that we share similar tastes). I can't think of cases where I took to a band only after making an effort (sometimes one may start with the wrong album, or piece of music....). The appreciation comes quickly for me with ones I really like, it's just that with some the appreciation deepens over time. Actually, there was one that I felt I misjudged at first, but can't remember what it was -- not a favourite, anyway. Oh yeah, Radiohead. Mea culpa, I didn't know enough of the music and had some misconceptions, but I didn't make an effort, I just happened to hear more material that immediately appealed. EDIT: Sorry for digressing from the topic, but for me I see little point in trying hard to get into bands and certain types of music when there is already such a huge amount of music that will appeal (fit my tastes). I still like to explore outside my comfort zone, and may find at some time that music that would not appeal to me at this stage in my musical journey may appeal at a later time (it can take musical steeping stones to get there). But I'm lazy.... If I'm not intrigued at the least, to start with, by the music, then it's unlikely that forcing myself would make me appreciate more (might even make me hate it more). ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 16:03
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VDGG, King Crimson, all the Krautrock I've heard without exception, Can, Gong, Magma, Zappa, The Mars Volta, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum; anything dark or avant garde. I used to include Gentle Giant and Strawbs in this group, but I now love both these bands. ELP are also just beginning to grow on me after years of indifference. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 16:05
You are missing out on all the good stuff.  ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Captain Capricorn
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 16:06
No doubt! Half of those listed are in my top 10 favorites! |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 16:06
| Pink Floyd |
Posted By: listen
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 16:13
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Kraftwerk
Dream Theater Neu! Queen to some extent: Supertramp Zappa Bacamarte Focus Hawkwind Ozric Tentacles Los Jaivas To a lesser extent Gentle Giant pre-'74 Tangerine Dream Gong Mahavishnu Orchestra MDK by Magma (love Kohntarkosz..) Radiohead The Strawbs Banco del Mutuo Soccorso Deep Purple Gryphon Faust ------------- Now is all there is. Be before you think! |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 16:20
I think it's a good job you and I don't live in the same house! I suspect our tastes are diammetrically opposite. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: listen
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 16:22
I have trouble with MDK too. Have you tried Kohntarzosz? ------------- Now is all there is. Be before you think! |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 16:25
I have to add, almost any music that is simply weird, like GSYBE. If it doesn't have a decent melody, it's just not an enjoyment. I guess I'm not artsy fartsy enuff. -------------
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Posted By: listen
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 16:30
for you, that is. ------------- Now is all there is. Be before you think! |
Posted By: Synchestra
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 16:40
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Gentle Giant, i've tried a couple times. But im sure they'll click soon. VDGG i used to sort of like but not really get the fuss, untill Still Life clicked, now i love them.
The only band so far i havnt been able to get into is Dream Theater, i find a good couple riffs in there, but they always seem to be so over the top, all my friends love them, and have loved them for a long time, so i dont think ill ever really like them. ------------- 'Yeah, thats.. Whatever you're talking about for ya' - Zapp brannigan |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 16:57
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I can't get into Rush: the various songs from their first albums I heard made me think of Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple and even Queen, but in an irritating way to me. I had 1 CD from Marillion - "Fugazi"; I listened "Thieving Magpie" and songs from various albums: I get a little bored. Same thing with Pendragon. And I get über-bored with Anekdoten and Kayo Dot. Really. Oh, and Radiohead, too. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 16:59
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Wow, this thread just got started and already three pages. First off I just want to say that if you don't like a band I think is da bomb, you're obviously a jerk and have bad taste in music. But seriously, there's so much stuff out there under the prog umbrella and so much variety, you're not going to find anyone that likes all the popular prog bands. If you criticize, be fair. Wait. You don't like Radiohead? Who could possibly not like Radiohead? I think the real gems are found in the artists off the beaten path.
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 17:09
It is probably special for many people from the North American continent, simply because the first prog band they ever come in contact with is Rush, and first loves are always special. But that's not the way it happened with me. I grew up with the music my brother, who is ten years older than I am, listened to, and after a short period, during which he was a big Genesis fan, he started discovering new bands on his own. At first he bought albums by bands he had heard the names of by friends, then he simply bought any album of which he liked the cover, which made him discover Hawkwind and Gong. Some of his friends were big into Krautrock, and for the stoned-out brain he had at that time it was just the right thing. I am responsible for his discovery of VdGG, since I bought him "Godbluff" for his 17th birthday; I liked the Escher-inspired band logo. My parents are not interested in music at all (strange but true), so he was my first and only source of music when I was a little kid. And I was fascinated by all these strange sounds; I had never thought such sounds could be possible. That bit of music I heard on the radio which was played during short breaks while my father listened to the live commentating of the saturday football matches had nothing at all to do with the stuff my brother heard. It was like music from another planet for me. The first time I heard Rush was years later, and while I acknowledged their advanced musicianship I did not see anything special in them at all, not after all the things I had already heard. That is how I grew up. I fully understand that for people who first came in contact with prog through Rush they must mean a lot more to them; it just is not the case with me. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 17:20
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Yes ELP Camel Caravan Porcupine Tree (or anything that Steven Wilson has written) Rush Deep Purple Supertramp Harmonium Umphry's McGee Shadow Gallery Anathema Green Carnation Ayreon Godspeed You! Black Emperor Henry Cow ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: JROCHA
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 17:54
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Dream Theater Marillion - any neo prog The Flower Kings Translantic - very cheesy! - really anyting DT related Pain of Salvation - all the typical Prog Metal Bands ------------- Somewhere out of a memory of lighted streets on quiet nights... |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 18:01
For me it was Queen, Yes, ELP, and Genesis in the mid-70s. And I'm almost on the USA/Canada border. I didn't hear Rush until I was 15. It was an instant love. Geddy's vox didn't even bug me. -------------
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Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 18:14
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 18:16
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Queen |
Posted By: Nipsey88
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 18:30
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The two main ones that obviously have very devoted fans that I just can't see the "special" in are VDGG and IQ. I've tried really really hard with VDGG, I own Pawn Hearts, Godbluff, and H to He, and I will bring one out every few months to try again, hoping that the lightbulb will click on...so far, no such luck. I mean, I do like them, but only in a "yeah, that was ok" kind of way, certainly not in the same way others seem to. With IQ, I've always found them to be a poor man's Marillion; very melodic, and I can't fault the musicians...but their songs always seem to lack that special "hook" that makes me want to hum along. Once again, I do enjoy them from time to time, and I keep trying (the new one, Frequency, I actually like more than the others I've heard), but so far I haven't heard anything that would explain in my head the rabid fan base they have. To be fair, I guess I'm not much of a neo-prog fan as I've always found Pendragon over-rated as well (but I absolutely adore the Fish-led Marillion...go figure). ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Nipsey88/?chartstyle=myspace02" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 18:39
That's what also happened to me. I can't understand why people recommend MDK as a starting point for Magma. It's very abstract and the chorus sings very agressive. Not a pleasant experience at all. But then it all changed when I got K.A., their latest album from 2004. It's wonderful! A lot of melody and passion, and very enjoyable overall. There's even of large portion of superb fusion on that record. Two weeks ago I saw them live and they were fabulous. It seems indeed they're in great shape in the 00s. Up till now there is only one band which I couldn't get into, CAN. But every time this happened to me I could get over the issue after multiple listens or different approach of the discography. I suppose next time will be easier, like it always is. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 18:42
One name for all: Dream Theater - and I own seven of their albums . Tried and tried, but just don't get them. I am equally indifferent to most of the 'traditional' prog-metal bands I have heard so far (with the notable exception of Queensryche), while I find the other two PM subgenres much more interesting. |
Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 18:47
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There are a few that I can understand why I don't like them, King Crimson, Jethro Tull and Van der Graaff Generator to name a few of the classics. They're either too folksy or eclectic for my tastes. The one that I truly don't understand is Yes. I don't care for Yes and I don't know why. I absolutely love Genesis and most symphonic music, but I've tried time and time again to appreciate Yes but it just doesn't happen. ------------- -------someone please tell him to delete this line, he looks like a noob------- I don't have an unnatural obsession with Disney Princesses, I have a fourteen year old daughter and coping mechanisms. |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 18:49
What albums have you heard from Yes? I'm sure you've heard their classics, but I'm really curious, since you pretty much adore The Flower Kings, both do share stuff. |
Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 18:53
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Mars Volta is the only prog rock band that I sincerely and strongly dislike.
Dream Theaterwould be another one, although I do like them, I just can't get into them very strongly. Symphony X is technically brilliant, but I find their level of cheese to be a huge turn-off... ------------- 
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 19:00
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Well, I was going to add another witty comment, but I can't get into this thread.
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Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 19:21
You nailed it. Sometimes, IQ songs will have a great opening, but then disappoint with the main body of the song. I have that same disappointment with "Incommunicado" from Marillion 'Clutching at Straws' - and just about all Hogarth-era Marillion (except for "Interior Lulu" - that is a great song...) |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 19:25
Well, but I was already in love with all the weirdo stuff (Magma, Gong, RIO), and if Rush are anything, weird they are not. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 19:34
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^^Man we get it.......youi don't like Rush...move on already! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 19:51
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hmm.. Spock's Beard, Focus, Umphreys McGee, Cynic, Robert Wyatt |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 20:18
It's not about the fans, and detractors, being wrong or right -- though the fans know Magma more, of course. It's a matter of taste (styles preferred) and experience. It's been one of the most important discoveries for me musically, but that doesn't mean that it should be similar for you. There's no bands/ album that everyone should like. I don't like Spock's Beard and The Flower Kings, but different strokes for different folks -- can't say I've listened to that much of either's stuff because I'm not interested. But it's different for me, if something clicks I find much more that clicks later, and the appreciation deepens. Then later on after being into it it might stop clicking altogether as I've moved on to other music and styles. Which albums/ tracks have you listened to, and what things click? For instance, I could imagine someone really enjoying Retrospective 1-2 who doesn't much like Kobaia. I love both. EDIT: Just remembered that you started a fairly lively Magma topics four years ago (when you were a fresh noob to the world of Magma). Topic: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6492 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6492 - Magma? It's a good read. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 20:22
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 20:23
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VDGG and Dream Theatre - given up sorry.... ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Morakthesage
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 20:28
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Emerson, Lake, and Palmer I find highly pretentious, allthough they did produce 3 sides of good material before permanently going of into stuff I can't get in to. |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 20:28
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Posted By: mistertorture
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 20:41
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Gentle Giant VDGG Mars Volta Pink Floyd ELP Simphony X Fates Warning Pain Of Salvation Mahavishnu Orchestra that's about it, for now... -------------  
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Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 20:42
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The 3 M's of doom Magma :The Mars Volta Mastodon Ayreon IQ Marillion (they're ok but the rave reviews for them are incomprehensible to me, maybe I don't get their lyrics, not huge on lyrics anyway) The Tangent (I thought I'd like this one, but it's just kind of boring in all honesty) Robert Wyatt Eloy Kraftwerk Amon Duul II (not even close to the best Krautrock band) Pain of Salvation (pretty godawful... no, not just Scarsick) Fates Warning The Decemberists (I don't know what to say really, people have been crooning over this band lately... there's nothing special here at all, I'd like to hear someone who likes them try to describe what it is exactly that's good about them, that would be interesting)
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Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 20:59
I either have own or have stolen my father's copies of many of the classics: Close to the Edge Relayer Tales from Topographic Oceans The Yes Album Fragile Union The Ladder Yes Huh, something just occurred to me, maybe I need to pick up a remastered version of something. Eh, maybe I'll pick up the most recent remaster of Close to the Edge and see if that helps. By all means, I should like Yes, I just don't know what it is. The only concrete thought is that I may not like Chris Squire's playing. I have Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman and Howe and love it. Eh, it's a mystery to me. Marillion, for a long time was a similar enigma to me though I'm starting to appreciate them a bit more. ------------- -------someone please tell him to delete this line, he looks like a noob------- I don't have an unnatural obsession with Disney Princesses, I have a fourteen year old daughter and coping mechanisms. |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 21:04
 You don't like Squire, but you do like Reingold and Roine's brother bass playing? Wow, that's strange, since both took a lot from Chris...Try Disc 1 from Tales From Topographic Oceans to work with. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 21:13
Putting my helmet....
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 21:40
Nothing wrong with that. I prefer post ItCotCK albums, particularly Larks' Tongues in Aspic. I like GG's first eight studio albums, particularly Acquiring the Taste, and Playing the Fool is very good I think, but don't like the final three studio albums. With VdGG I really like several albums -- Godbluff partiualarly these days, but still have some problem with Hammill's histrionics at times. I started with "House with no Door" and it was love at first listen. I find Camel rather boring too, that said the band has some material I really like: Snow Goose is my favourite, and then Mirage, and Moonmadness I don't care for so much. Not bad, but lacking. I don't own the debut. AMongst bands sometimes classified as Canterbury Scene, it's my least liked. Henry Cow is one of my favourites. Which Henry Cow albums have you heard, Ivan? Not that I'd expect you to like any of them. I did have some trouble warming up to Western Culture at first -- took some patience. The band would hardly be for everyone. If you were a Canterbury Scene lover then I'd recommend early Cow. If you were more into RIO/Avant then later. Not something I'd generally recommend to ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: jplanet
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 21:40
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King Crimson - for a while I got into Three of a Perfect Pair, but when I tried to go back through their catalog, I couldn't find a minute of music that I enjoyed. Far too dissonant and disjointed for my taste, although I am a big fan of each of the musicians individually... Genesis - I do appreciate the Peter Gabriel era stuff, and I love watching the old footage of their live performances - but to sit down and listen to, there's not a whole lot that I really enjoy... Gentle Giant, Marillion and Dream Theater - I keep coming back to them once in a while to see if anything strikes me, but as of yet there's nothing that's grabbed me... I don't think any of these bands are bad, and I would never stoop to the low level of accusing their fans of having bad taste...they just haven't appealed to me for whatever intangible reasons...So, I guess I can say that I appreciate all of them, but don't necessarily enjoy them enough to make an effort to listen to them... ------------- https://www.facebook.com/ShadowCircus/" rel="nofollow - ..::welcome to the shadow circus::.. |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 21:44
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The Flower Kings Magma (I can appreciate their music, but I don't really properly enjoy it though) Pain of Salvation IQ Tangerine Dream Marillion Transatlantic Ayreon ------------- 
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 12 2009 at 22:21
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OK, I'll play along nicely, these are artists that I have in my collection, but just a single album and I am not interested in exploring further. I'll reserve the right to do so in the future if I'm in the mood to: Flower Kings Spock's Beard Hmmm, that's actually it. No particular reason, nothing against them, sometimes it's a matter of time and timing. The two albums I have still come up in listening circulation, and who knows, maybe one day? Most other popular prog bands I've tried, though there's many I haven't. Can't pass judgment on what you haven't really listened to, yet many do. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 00:16
That's strange, cause there was a thread recently where most people pretty much concurred that any album except for Attakh and Merci were a great introduction to Magma's sound. I listened to MDK again today and I think it's like my 4th listen. To be honest it seems like an endless tribal chant/prog thing with lots of 7/8. If I listen to it 'from a distance' (for lack of a better phrase) by not focusing on the more primal aspects of the music including the weird made-up-language it sounds kind of cool, and almost like a Broadway tune or something to me, though it's hardly mind blowing.
I might give them another try if I have the chance, though there really isn't any point in spending money on music that leaves me dissaffected, regardless if the person next to me is left breathless. -------------
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Posted By: mobby
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 03:31
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1-dream theatre 2-vdgg 3-gentle giant 4-zappa 5-flower kings (from stardust we are) |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 03:40
THEATER. THEATER not theatre. -------------
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 03:49
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 03:50
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For me: VDGG The Beatles (if they count) Camel Between the Buried and Me Godspeed You! Black Emperor -------------
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 04:35
Well, I'm shocked, you practically hate Eclectic. -------------
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 05:03
Thats a fair cop...I over reacted. But why mention the musicianship? And why then edit it and add...... though not as exceptional as their fans try to make them......? It may be my imagination....but from my conflicts with this member in the past, she is an expert at passive/ aggresive posts. But nevertheless, I am sorry for the unseemly behaviour. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: progrules
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 05:03
I can relate to this ! I also have a hard time to really embrace this band. And also I am a true neo fan. But the last year it's getting better for me so maybe there's hope for you. Do you have all their albums ? Because for a long time I just loved Subterrenea (but then only 4 songs to be fair) until I discovered The Seventh House last year and suddenly there was a sort of click. Recently I bought all their eighties stuff but in that decade there are just a few songs I really like and the rest: not at all !
I have the same thing with Pallas and Hogarth era Marillion by the way. These bands just don't do it for my taste. Same goes for Sylvan I just realize. 80% of all neobands I heard so far I do like a lot however.
Outside the neo genre:
VDGG
King Crimson
Gentle Giant (not 100% terrible)
and especially: SIGUR ROS. I bought almost all their albums because they were for sale over here and now I have to review them all
  . Really, Sigor Ros s#$&*cks big time for meAlso Magma, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum and most Italian prog. ------------- A day without prog is a wasted day |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 05:04
I have MDK...I think its called. I have listened several times. I don't expect to love it, but I do expect to at least like it......but I just don't. Can you point me in the right direction? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 05:11
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Most hard rock/heavy prog. Deep Purple Led Zeppelin Queen Rush Porcupine Tree And some more "top name" progressive bands Gentle Giant Yes(Although I somewhat enjoy Close To The Edge) Something strange Opeth. It is strange. I WANT to love Opeth. I want Opeth to be one of my favorite bands, and for the most part, I really like them, but each album I feel should absolutely blow my mind somewhat underwhelms me. I don't know. |
Posted By: SergiUriah
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 05:37
  Jejeje... ------------- http://img229.imageshack.us/i/bonfirma.jpg/">
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Posted By: progmetalhead
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 05:54
 After reading some of the replies here
May I suggest another site that will be of interest
http://top40.about.com/ - http://top40.about.com/
Rush unexceptional....pfffft ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/colt2112" rel="nofollow - http://www.last.fm/user/colt2112 Colt - Admin Team MMA 
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Posted By: SergiUriah
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 06:25
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I just only would like to know a thing. Why some works from Santana (even I only have his first one, and a Greatest Hits and Abraxas I have listened 70´s Lps too...) are named in this page as Prog Albums??? ------------- http://img229.imageshack.us/i/bonfirma.jpg/">
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 06:45
The passive aggressiveness has only been read into my posts; I am not passive aggressive at all. And from your reactions to some of my posts which were not meant to be aggressive at all it might as well be said that you are a master at open aggressiveness. The truth is that there have been some misunderstandings between us; you read something into my posts which are not there, reacted hotly, and then of course I felt peeved too and answered in the same measure. Most of it got started by my and Jean's criticism of the "Peartians". I have nothing at all against people for whom Peart is their favourite drummer, but to treat him as unreachable and way above any other drummer is what peeves me. First of all it is not true, and second it is an insult to all the other excellent drummers out there. If he is your favourite drummer, fine, but don't turn him into a God. It is this attitude which we criticize, nothing else. If you take a look at some of the drum polls in this archive you will have to admit that this attitude has often been taken by his fans. And in that light the comment "though not as exceptional as his fans try to make him" is to be seen. That's all. If that is passive-aggressive to you, I can't help it. But I am willing to bury the hatchet, so I will admit that this comment was unnecessary and hereby retract it. I am certain that Peart fans see the merits of other drummers too. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 07:00
I don't know that he is my favourite drummer actually. I believe that some drummers are so different from each other that its impossible to compare "like for like". Maybe some Rush fans do treat him as unreachable, I don't know about that, I haven't met anyone as close minded. I am willing to bury the hatchett too. If I read too much into your innocent posts then it was my mistake. Problem is...with the printed word...one can read what one wants I suppose.  Until next time we meet on the battlefield........adieu!  BTW.......which Magma album would you recommend to me?  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 07:26
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Coming in rather late to this err discourse...
I quite catagorically can not get into Rush; Dream Theater (although "Awake" is a pretty decent album); Metallica; The Mars Volta; Mastodon; The Flower Kings and most Extreme Tech Metal bands. I have tried but they do nothing to enhance my personal listening pleasure. I make no apology for my opinion of these bands but accept that they obviously bring listening pleasure to others  ------------- 
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 07:44
It is what it is. The elitism for the sake of being elite is what I offer wonder about. If a person can't get into something bizarre, there is a good reason. Who are the most popular Prog bands? And why are they the most popular? Probably it is because they write good music that appeals to a greater audience while at the same time don't offer mass appeal like Top 40. -------------
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 07:51
People should stop recommending M.D.K. as a starting point for Magma. We're losing a lot of potential devotees because of that 
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Posted By: mirco
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 07:55
------------- Please forgive me for my crappy english! |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 07:59
Even "Abraxas" is a full-fledged prog album in my opinion. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 08:08
I couldn't agree more - the studio MDK didn't click with me until I was well into Magma and well-versed with the version from Retrospektiw I-II, which I still prefer. I like Kobaia or 1001 as an introduction, followed by Kohntarkosz and Retro if you're not scared off. Problem is those two early albums are very different from MDK and the later material, but I still think it's a bit easier in terms of exposure. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 08:17
What about if, instead of regaling us with your usual snarky, patronising comments, you just recognised that people may have different tastes from yours? If you have decided you don't like The Decemberists, or The Mars Volta, or whatever, we could talk ourselves blue in the face and not convince you that there is something good about those bands - all you want to do is to prove we're idiots who don't understand the first thing about prog. And, btw, it's not 'crooning', but 'crowing', I suppose... I don't generally make soothing sounds like I would to a baby when I talk about the music I like. |
Posted By: Captain Capricorn
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 08:20
M.D.K. is where I started, & I was hooked from day one.
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 08:34
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Gosh! I'm enjoying this thread. So many little scraps going on all over the place - it seems to have caught peoples imaginations.
I must say Kingcrimson778 I would have great difficulty describing what it is I like about a lot of things but I don't think that would make them intrinsically bad or nothing.
Now where is that 'kiss and make up' emoticon so many of you seem to need? ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: GaryB
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 08:37
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I have difficulty getting into some of the Prog/Folk bands I've heard. I have tried more than once to get into Gryphon, especially Raindance. Strange Days is another band I've tried several times. These are bands that I really wanted to like (I try to be positive in the beginning) but so far, nothing has clicked.
From the same Prog/Folk list I like Carmen and Ramses so it's not necessarily the "sub genre", it's just certain bands.
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 08:37
Somebody else mentioned Kohntarkohz. I would say that is the best starting point with Magma. I listened to Kohntarkohz first and then when I tried MDK, I got stuck, it took a long time to develop a liking for it. Even now, though I love 1001 degrees and Christian Vander Wutah to death, none of the other albums do as much for me as Kohntarkohz. The other albums are packed with incredible amounts of music that's just too hard to assimilate in a few listens, I know that I haven't got there yet either. Kohntarkohz is relatively sparse with less "activity" and a flowing theme. It's still going to be like, "What sort of music is this, it's like nothing I have heard" but it's probably the best bet with Magma for you. If you can't get past Kohntarkohz, Magma may not be for you. As for topic, I would say Flower Kings. I have issues with the vocals as far as Spocks Beard and Dream Theater, so I am never going to become a huge fan of both bands. I have got used to LaBrie to a large extent and ignore him and take in the rest of the music, so I am able to moderately enjoy most of their albums and I had no issues with Images..and Awake from the beginning. But TFK...all the elements are there, but it never strikes me as special. It must be, they have so many fans, they are so prolific and the delivery is professional but it leaves me cold in the end.
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