If these bands....
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Topic: If these bands....
Posted By: kuklops
Subject: If these bands....
Date Posted: May 03 2005 at 08:14
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Could be considered progressive the following bands? 1) Ultravox 2) Toto 3) Manowar 4) Scorpions 5) East of Eden |
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: May 03 2005 at 08:20
------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
kuklops wrote:Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: May 03 2005 at 08:21
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Ultravox: new wave/romantics Toto: Pop/rock Manowar: minor metal or heavy rock Scorpions: heavy rock East Of Eden: ealry Brit prog or protoprog/post psychedelia
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Posted By: Matti
Date Posted: May 03 2005 at 08:29
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I totally agree with Blacksword on 1-4. East of Eden's CD I listened last summer. It was edgy folk-rock with progressive elements. I didn't much enjoy it but it can be considered prog. Anyway, welcome Kuklops. |
Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: May 03 2005 at 08:51
------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: VLADO
Date Posted: May 03 2005 at 08:54
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toto are definitely not a crap, they are great musicians making great songs and they often used to play as the invited guests with many others (e.g. also progs like gilmour). ultravox was one of a few good new romantic bands (the best being talk talk) and if they had not stopped they could have develop further. Not all are gold who do prog, not all are lost who do not ------------- ...and in the end the love you take is equal to the love you make... |
Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: May 03 2005 at 10:16
True. Some prog bands are platinum, and some of those who aren't prog can be found wishing they were talented enough to be prog I'm not free of sin, though, so I'll admit to being a fan of Manowar's "Master of the Wind" - tune ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: May 03 2005 at 10:39
No one can withstand the winds of change, blown from the hellish lungs of the mighty metal avenger! Oh good lord, how come I have two Scorpions albums in my collection. It must have happened in one of my taste blackouts, which were quite frequent in the 80's I am delighted to announce that I have more Ultravox in my collection than Scorpions! ..and only one Manowar album... ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Pylo
Date Posted: May 03 2005 at 10:58
I agree with Blacksword, Ultravox is not so bad, I enjoy especially side 1 of "Vienna" and side 1 of "Rage in Eden", their first albums. ------------- Pylo |
Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: May 03 2005 at 11:10
------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 03 2005 at 11:15
Hell Yes!! They SUCK |
Posted By: Winterfamily
Date Posted: May 03 2005 at 12:08
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What about the first three Ultravox albums? There's a very
distinctive feeling around them, like being in the lab of some new
romantic mad doctor... Songs like "Hiroshima mon amour" (from Ha! Ha! Ha!,
78, their second album) are quite scary, and John Foxx's way of singing
can give you the creeps, too. That's when he's not playing he's Bryan
Ferry in a meth power trip. I also like their later output featuring Midge Ure, but can't prefer it to that early stuff, which has a slightly "progressive" quality, at least due to its experimental aim. As for Manowar, well, The Triumph Of Steel was a concept album, wasn't it...?  |
Posted By: kuklops
Date Posted: May 04 2005 at 13:42
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My personal impression: 1)ULTRAVOX- Their sound is a bit prog, for example "Vienna" 2)TOTO- I find some influences of ART rock....they're very good musicians, specially Jeff Porcaro 3)MANOWAR- music minor metal, lyrics "epic" 4)SCORPIONS- hard rock band, sometimes very commercial...but a few ballads seem similar to song by renaissance 5)EAST OF EDEN- I consinder them a true progressive band....their music deals with jazz, classic and esotic sounds |
Posted By: geezer
Date Posted: May 04 2005 at 14:14
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I went to see Manowar in '92 in their Triumph of Steel tour. Hail and Kill . Forgive me, I was a teenager then  . |
Posted By: spectral
Date Posted: May 04 2005 at 14:17
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Does having a concept album automatically make a band progressive? |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: May 04 2005 at 14:34
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East of Eden were added to the site recently. The others listed are generally pop rock bands, perhaps melodic rock. |
Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: May 04 2005 at 14:46
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A couple of tunes in Fly to the rainbow from Scorpions have discreet prog accents, if you admit the term in its more extended definition (including the prog metal scene...) but for me they play basic hard rock and FM rock! ------------- 
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: May 04 2005 at 15:29
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I listen to the Manowar bass solos for amusement value. But from the list 1,3 and 4 are really not prog and I haven't heard the other two. |
Posted By: kuklops
Date Posted: May 04 2005 at 16:55
| What's about My Dying Bride? |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: May 04 2005 at 16:57
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Can anyone recommend some Ultravox albums? |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 04 2005 at 17:07
| Sorry, none of them. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 04 2005 at 17:09
Yes, I can: Start with "Vienna" if you like new wave/synth and then "Rage in eden". If you like Glam/Punk you should listen to and start with their debut; "Ultravox"...then just ride with the flow.... |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: May 04 2005 at 17:26
The very best off suffices I think. If I Was, the best of Ultravox & Midge Ure is decent. Including some of his/their best work If I Was, Love's Great Adventure, Dancing With Tears In my Eyes, Do They Know It's Christmas, Reap The Wild Wind, Vienna and some others. also some ommissions however. But I can't really recommend a full album, there's always something missing IMO. According to some Ultravox where better before Midge became member, but I don't know, since I only know Ultravox with him as singer Ultravox, The Collection is better and more complete I think, but that leaves out If I Was, which I always found to be a great song. But for a regular studio album I suggest Vienna, read the reviews on the next link, I kind of agree with that one, except I am not that enthousiastic ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: kuklops
Date Posted: May 04 2005 at 17:47
| Vienna and Lament |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 04 2005 at 17:49
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Pre Ure Ultravox is far better, less poppy, more "arty". ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: May 04 2005 at 18:47
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NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! specially not Scorpions... why do you people keep on trying to put all this non prog bands in this site...I mean why is even Radiohead here??? ( before you say anything I am a big Radiohead fan...but thats just not prog) If you keep on putting and putting bands that aren´t prog on this site...you will end up putting Nirvana or the Sex Pistols. Stop it!!!!!!!!!!!!! But in stead, put real prog bands ( that may not be very important or knowen) like The David Cross Band, Pez ( from Argentina), the Trey Gunn solo project or Giles & McDonald ...( Yes I am a King Crimson fan). But my point is, stop trying to get non prog bands in this site just because their songs are long or they are good at their instruments...well thats what I think. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: May 04 2005 at 20:37
"Vienna" and "Rage" were Ultravox's 4th and 5th albums. I find the former much stronger overall than the latter. Before Midge Ure came on board for Vienna, the vocalist/lyricist was John Foxx, and the band was much more experimental musically and lyrically. (More interesting too, for me.) The first three are all worth the dosh (there is a good compilation, too, called "Three Into One"), but I especially recommend the 1977 debut "Ultravox!" Produced by experimental wunderkind Brian Eno, it is very edgy/futuristic/dystopian, and the best, most logical place to start with the band, IMO. I think that "Ultravox!" was the best album the band ever made -- essential, cutting-edge "new wave" music. Love the violin on "The Wild, the Beautiful and the Damned" -- a killer tune! ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: kuklops
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 06:13
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What's about these following bands? 1) My Dying Bride 2) Muse 3) Modena City Ramblers (Italy) And for progarchives i suggest to consider yhngwie malmsteen |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 06:17
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kuklops...youve done it now!!!! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: kuklops
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 06:18
| yes...why? |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 06:27
Youve waved thhe red flag of Yngwie Malmsteen to the raging bull of the forum ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 08:06
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Malmsteen no way!! I dont care how talented he is 'technically' His music is pure comedy. But he doesn't know it.. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 08:45
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O.M.D. / Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark , yes I know they are a Synth band but I believe they have Prog Elements listen to Joan of Arc (Maid of Orleans) includes Mellotrons etc that is their Biggest Prog Moment in my view. ------------- CYMRU AM BYTH 
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 08:56
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I like their album 'Architechture & Morality' It has a very strange atmosphere; creepy but also very melancholic. Joan of Arc is a classic 'new romantic' hit as was Souvinir which I think is the best track they ever recorded. Japan and Talk Talk were probably my favourite 'new romantic' bands, although Talk Talk were in a slightly different league to most of those artists. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: May 05 2005 at 09:18
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Scorpions - Lonesome Crow.Their 1st album is very good overall.It's hardly recognizable from what they did subsequently....Honest! ------------- 
Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb. |
Posted By: kuklops
Date Posted: May 06 2005 at 17:38
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I consider Malmsteen close to prog for his baroque style...
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: May 06 2005 at 17:47
I like them both. Japan with Tin Drum, Talk Talk with many albums. Thanks for the people who gave me the Ultravox tips. My opinion: what I like about this site is that a lot of progfans are so openminded. It's not prog only, and I think that is a very good thing: a healthy progressive attitude! |
Posted By: abyssyinfinity
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 16:26
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Ultravox Very good 80's synth pop, I recommend Vienna
Toto Great group with fantastic musicians, but in my opinion they can be considered AOR Manowar 
Scorpions their first album can be considered prog, for the rest see Toto East of Eden Surely they're prog, think Bela Bartok meets Indian Ragas and Folk... 
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Posted By: Dazo
Date Posted: June 09 2005 at 22:07
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Well that says it all. |