who is the best Progressive pop/art Rock
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Topic: who is the best Progressive pop/art Rock
Posted By: Icarium
Subject: who is the best Progressive pop/art Rock
Date Posted: April 23 2009 at 21:20
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Queen, Roxy Music, ELO, 10CC and Supertramp these quintet of bands i have allways thoght of a bit similar some reasons for my thougts 1. never 100% regarded as prog but stil many progers (me included) like them 2 . have a share amount of pop influence mixd with Prog in different degree 3 . all have there higlight albums. 4. theatrical, opretic, dramatic and other thematics from stage related artforms 5 and all have given gratitude to the Beatles in som way i could have included Alan Parsons Project, Sparks, Utopia and Wishbone Ash as well but those in the poll i think are closest match. good luck |
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: April 23 2009 at 21:20
| i voted Supertramp by the way |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: April 23 2009 at 21:26
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Supertramp first, ELO second. Tough battle there, really.... I'm still not sure about that. I hate Queen. Not familiar really with Roxy or 10cc. ------------- 
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: April 23 2009 at 21:39
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Roxy Supertramp Queen 10cc/ELO ( tied in a distant last) ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: April 23 2009 at 21:40
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as i voted for Supertramp i dont regard them as influencuel in prog or genral music. that crown i will give both Queen and Roxy, but the fact is nearly evry new wave in 80s have ether Bowie, Roxy Music and Kraftwerk. wile Queen inspired as i know it DT in som way Saga and many others. |
Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: April 23 2009 at 21:45
| None of them are very innovative or progressive... influential, maybe. My vote is for ELO because I like them the best. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 23 2009 at 22:05
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Q U E E N |
Posted By: OzzProg
Date Posted: April 23 2009 at 22:26
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Montrealers like myself seem to be obsessed with Supertramp, which is where my vote went.
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Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: April 23 2009 at 23:30
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1 - Alan Parsons Project (sorry, my personal priorities preempted the poll's) 2 - Supertramp 3 - Queen 4 - Roxy Music 5 - ELO Didn't rate 10cc, as I am not familiar with them. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 24 2009 at 00:09
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Know Roxy well and love them long time. Supertramp, just recently familiar with Crime (like it) and their radio hits. Was an ELO fan of that spaceship album as a kid but lost interest. (also know radio hits) Familiar with Queen primarily with by hearing their hits ad nauseum. 10cc know by name but no music pops into my head that I know by name. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: April 24 2009 at 05:03
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Queen. Early material tops a lot of "100% prog" on PA. ------------- Bigger on the inside. |
Posted By: vuh
Date Posted: April 24 2009 at 05:22
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Roxy
Queen
ELO
Supertramp
I hate 10cc
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: April 24 2009 at 05:37
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As for me, Queen. They were the first rock band I really got into when I was around 11, and still love their music as much today as I did all those years ago. I'm also a big Roxy Music fan.
Never got into ELO or Supertramp. They're both ok, but that's it. Don't really know 10cc well enough to judge. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: April 24 2009 at 10:20
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Although I voted for Roxy Music, I think on reflection that their influence is perhaps more palpable in the subsequent work of the Cure, Banshees, Joy Division et al (I'm thinking of 'In Every Dream Home a Heartache' here y'all) ------------- 
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: April 24 2009 at 14:48
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ELO first album
Supertramp First album -------------  |
Posted By: claugroi
Date Posted: April 24 2009 at 15:48
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Supertramp. Art Rock full of Prog, in any song. ------------- Symphonic Prog Master |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: April 24 2009 at 16:00
| Supertramp are by far my favourite among the bands listed, followed by Roxy Music. I have never been able to really get into Queen, though I recognise they are a great band in many respects, and ELO (who are one of Micky's fav bands) leave me somewhat cold. As for 10cc, I know them very little, but I've always wanted to get to know them more. |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: April 24 2009 at 17:59
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Supertramp,Queen,Roxy,10cc then ELO. I have only seen Tramp,Queen and 10cc live though. |
Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: April 24 2009 at 19:07
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My own personal favorite among the choices listed is ELO. ------------- 
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Posted By: DevilRy
Date Posted: April 24 2009 at 21:06
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On this list, Roxy Music are definitely my favorite. Of the criteria the OP laid out though, I'd have to say Split Enz are miles ahead of the rest. |
Posted By: rosenbach
Date Posted: April 24 2009 at 22:03
Agree with you, but in different order: 1. Queen, first band i loved and the first vynils i ever had 2. ELO: had all their albums when i was in high school and enjoyed them a lot 3. Alan Parson Project: great albums until Eye in the Sky, later no so good (maybe Amonia Avenue too?) 4. Roxy Music, first album i had was Avalon wich i loved but it took me a long time to know their first works, quite different 5. Supertramp, love their Paris album Not familiar with 10CC |
Alitare wrote:Posted By: TheLastBaron
Date Posted: April 25 2009 at 02:25
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Gotta go with Queen. Queen, Queen 2, Sheer heart attack are all amazing. Night at the Opera is amazing too, but Queen 2 is thier best in my mind. I find that album and thier early works really influential to prog, and metal. I also think thier early work is very under-rated in the mainstream press. I remember they only had one album on Rolling Stones top 500 albums of all time and it was Night at the Opera, love that album but I was pissed that Queen 2 wasn't on there. I think the whole band is very talented. Brian May is a great guitarist, very very under appreciated. ------------- " Men are not prisoners of fate, but prisoners of their own minds." - FDR |
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: April 25 2009 at 02:26
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<<<<<<<<< NO CONTEST , please! ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: April 25 2009 at 04:19
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I voted for Queen, they influenced a host of rock bands. I also like very much Supertramp (up to Breakfast in America) and 10 CC and can see the connections between them. I never was fond of Roxy Music. Regarding ELO, I have to dig their discography to make an opinion. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: cronholm
Date Posted: April 25 2009 at 16:04
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If you actually included Wishbone Ash I might have felt compelled to vote, as it is will abstain as the only band you've listed I like is Roxy, and then only their later, non-proggy albums. ------------- Open your eyes, it's full of surprise, everyone lies, like the fox on the rocks, and the musical box. |
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: April 25 2009 at 17:46
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I gotta say, I'm as much a fan of pop in my prog as anyone, but this is a poor selection. I can't happily vote for any of these groups, so I won't. ELO and Queen (more hard rock than prog in early albums) each had one or two albums that I would rate as good, and a mass of stuff I can't stand. The other groups don't even have that. I guess most of the groups I like that blend the two are more serious and proggy, like Alan Parsons or Moody Blues, or later works of Anyone's Daughter, and so many others - Saga, FM, Kaos Moon, 80s Mike Oldfield |
Posted By: ten years after
Date Posted: April 25 2009 at 20:23
A bit unfair on Roxy I feel given the solid prog credentials of their first three albums.
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: April 25 2009 at 20:43
I definetly know this is not a complet list of all the bands that are blending pop with prog or prog with pop.  as i wrote in my reason to only included those five is becouse i know them better and by that reason can judge ther qualification as progressive rock bands with pop influence or pop groups with prog elements. and these 5 bands are often mentiond as being quite similar but aslo have originality. and Supertramp are actualy known for be quiet adept at blending prog with pop, they had a very interesting period Between 1970 - 1985 with som 100% progrock albums to i own there self titled debut from 1970 featuring Hodgson, Davies, Palmer-James (yes the King Crimson Lyracist) and a drummer i dont remember. 1974 Crime of the Century - some of the finest albums in the 70s were Supertramo found ther sound ther formula that lasted in 10 yers, a style that blended Jazz, acustic folk ballads, blues, symponic prog, pop and hardrock. en with some of the best production, were you can clarely hear all instruments and evrey note, and Brother were are you Bound with the 16:30 minuts self titled song with guests guraists Rythem guitar Scott Gorham from Thin Lizzy and David Gilmoure - Pink Floyd guitar solo. |
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: April 25 2009 at 21:07
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sorry guys, I did not have the intention of dissing the choices, and I can see why they were included. I realize that most of my ideas were not inj the same league in terms of familiarity, but I just wanted to list them to show that there are groups that I feel handle the prog-pop blend better. Regarding Roxy music, you are right that their first 3 albums are proggy, in fact they are not really poppy at all. But even there, not my thing  . Supertramp is very popular here but I just don't get it at all. |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: April 26 2009 at 02:31
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 and that my friends is what makes prog tick.....diverse belief...LOL
Supertramp for me/////exceptionally progressive in every sense ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: April 26 2009 at 02:39
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Eh, to be honest, I could care less for any band on the list. I sleep with a copy of I Robot, though. |
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: April 26 2009 at 07:12
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Queen by far, the other ones dont intrest me at all. ------------- 
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: April 26 2009 at 14:48
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Supertramp might have made the best abum (Crime of the century), but Queen is the absolute winner here.
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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: April 26 2009 at 14:53
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Roxy Music takes this for me. IMO they're the most progressive (don't confuse that with being the most proggy), the most inovative and the most influencial overall, well, at least their influence is on par with Queen, and to be fair, Roxy Music has influenced much better bands than Queen have in my opinion. Roxy Music had more roots in prog than any of the other bands. Phil Manzanera was in Quiet Sun, Eddie Jobson was in Curved Air, Brian Ferry had auditioned to be the singer for King Crimson and David O'List of The Nice was in the band briefly. I'd say their first 3 albums are more prog than anything by ELO or Supertramp. Granted the band's real influence is on punk rock, and many of the genres that followed. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs/?chartstyle=LastfmSuicjdeGirls" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Captain Capricorn
Date Posted: April 26 2009 at 14:57
...from your list, Roxy, but my first choice would've been Talking Heads 
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: April 26 2009 at 15:19
You would be surprised at how many people here would be in favour of TH's addition to the database  ... Unfortunately, there are as many people who tend to react very badly to controversial additions, so this is not addition that is going to happen any time soon, I'm afraid. As regards Roxy Music, there have been several attempts to get them out of Prog-Related and into Crossover, but they have not met with success so far. |
Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: April 26 2009 at 20:08
Hmm - a great shame!!
 Roxy Music easily my first choice, closely followed by Supertramp  ------------- 
"Music is the Wine that fills the cup of Silence" - Robert Fripp |
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: April 27 2009 at 04:26
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For me:
1. Queen
2. Supertramp
3. Roxy Music
4. ELO
5. 10cc ------------- 
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Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: April 27 2009 at 05:41
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1. Supertramp This was a suprisingly tough choice. Three of Supertramp's albums would rate among my top 50 or so ever (Crime of the Century, Breakfast in America, and the sadly underappreciated Famous Last Words). ELO was the first band where I felt the need to go out and buy all their records (fortunately that was 1977 so there weren't quite as many then) - El Dorado and Out of the Blue are both art rock classics. I remember seeing Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody video back in 1976 on Wolfman Jack's Midnight Special (uh, pre-MTV or VH1 for those without grey hair); that episode also had a tribute to Frank Zappa. Must have made quite an impression considering I can still remember that show 33 years later. The guys in 10CC were all prolific musicians, and I suspect most folks would be surprised how many 70s'one hit wonder' pop tunes one or more of those guys had a hand in. I have several Roxy Music vinyls from the 70s, but I bought all of them in the 80s having discovered the band only after Avalon released. I probably would have listed Kate Bush here instead, but overall a pretty strong list. ------------- "Peace is the only battle worth waging." Albert Camus |
Posted By: Badabing666
Date Posted: April 27 2009 at 07:42
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1. Supertramp
2. Queen
3. Roxy Music
4. ELO
5. 10CC
As Clemo said this was a tough choice. I am going to have to revisit the first 3 Roxy albums to remind myself what I am missing!
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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: April 27 2009 at 09:50
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I don't think Talking Heads are prog at all, they're progressive for sure. But not everything that's progressive is prog, however you guys have Black Sabbath on here. by comparison Talking Heads isn't that much of a stretch. This site really is getting a bit too carried away with adding "prog related" artists.
I have to say though, with Mr. Bungle and Primus here, I'm quite surprised that Buckethead hasn't been added yet. I'm not saying he should be.. But he's certainly more prog than freaking Journey.  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs/?chartstyle=LastfmSuicjdeGirls" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: SgtPepper67
Date Posted: April 27 2009 at 13:11
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I think the best bands on that list are Queen and Supertramp, and also the proggier bands. I haven't heard 10cc though. It seems to me Queen is a bit underrated on this site. I think their albums from Queen II to A day at the races are great and very close to prog. ------------- 
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Posted By: JROCHA
Date Posted: April 27 2009 at 21:51
| RADIOHEAD |
Posted By: Isa
Date Posted: April 28 2009 at 21:30
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Supertramp first, Roxy second, Queen third. |
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 00:18
I would rather sleep with my two Roxy babes!
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Posted By: farflung
Date Posted: April 30 2009 at 07:17
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Among those, Supertramp
Might have included Audience or Be Bop Deluxe
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: April 30 2009 at 07:58
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This should be no contest. Queen by miles. I like Supertramp, but more artists have said what a huge influence Queen was. ------------- 
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Posted By: angelmk
Date Posted: April 30 2009 at 10:03
| Queen no hesitations .. |
Posted By: dedokras
Date Posted: May 01 2009 at 07:59
| Queen without doubt, Sheer Heart Attack and A Night at the Opera are masterpieces, most of the other albums are quite nice too (II, A Day at the Races, Jazz, Innuendo...) |
Posted By: trackstoni
Date Posted: May 01 2009 at 18:12
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10cc and ELO Are Both Good Bands and they have the same credit in my opinion . Roxy Music and Queen also have the same credit ( they're both excellent Giants ) in their style . and that left me with Supertramp , The first Progressive album played in 1971 on my Lenco Turntable was Supertramp ( first album) , and to be specific the first three song was = Maybe I'm a Beggar , Try Again and Words unspoken . So here we go after 38 years , imagine the difference in my life my Dear friends ( quiet different ) and there's no need to Tell more stories about Yesterday and Today . ------------- Tracking Tracks of Rock |