USA vs UK progressive
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Topic: USA vs UK progressive
Posted By: zicIy
Subject: USA vs UK progressive
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 14:15
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i voted initialy for that U.S. kind of progressive POPULAR music...coz of Miles, Coltrane, Jarrett, Corea, Cobham, Zappa, Sly, Wonder, Bloomfield, Rundgren, Kansas, Steely Dan, The Grateful Dead, Iron Butterfly, It's a Beautiful Day, ... and many others! |
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Posted By: infandous
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 14:26
As a native of the USA, there was no question in my mind..................U.K. prog definitely 
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Posted By: 33rpm
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 14:44
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I am from US as well and it is the UK hands down! ------------- Vinyl just sounds better!! |
Posted By: andromacus
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 14:50
| were is the italian prog? or german kraut? |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 14:52
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UK by miles.... US, though has Zappa, which musically beats every one from the UK, though pittily it's only one against tons... |
Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 15:20
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Genesis, Frost*, IQ vs Dream Theater & Spock's Beard is what it boil down to for me (picking from my personal favorite prog bands from the two countries in question). Despite Frost's limited catalog and IQ's perchance to repeat themselves I'll have to go with UK. ------------- -------someone please tell him to delete this line, he looks like a noob------- I don't have an unnatural obsession with Disney Princesses, I have a fourteen year old daughter and coping mechanisms. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 15:22
In Italy and Germany respectively, I presume?  As to the poll question: When it comes to classic "prog" there is more music from more people from the UK that I love (but of corse there is amazing progressive music from classic artists from the US such as Davis, Coltrane, Zappa etc.), but in modern Prog I find the US really strong. THE UK will "win" this poll too darned easily. I won't vote because there's so much from both the US and the UK that I love even if there is more from the UK (and of course the UK is home to Canterbury and Henry Cow). |
andromacus wrote:Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 15:23
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Genesis, Yes, Floyd, Camel, Tull, Caravan, ELP, Van der Graaf, King Crimson, Gentle Giant, Marillion, IQ, Renaissance, Strawbs, Gryphon - no other country can even START to compare with that lot - and there's more less famous but equally fabulous bands. In fact, the rest of the world would struggle to match UK prog. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 15:24
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From US, but like everyone else that is, it's UK no question. US has so many bands that can compete with UK bands, but UK just has strength in numbers. ------------- 
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 15:26
Exactly. -------------
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Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 15:31
That's a FANTASTIC bunch!   But what's that bunch compared to: Yes, Pink Floyd, Genesis, King Crimson, ELP, Moody Blues, Procol Harum, Uriah Heep, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, The Beatles, Rainbow, Soft Machine, Led Zeppelin, Camel, Gentle Giant, Van Der Graaf Generator, Caravan, Jethro Tull...  |
Posted By: LeStaf
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 15:56
The UK prog succes only comes from the fact that they were signing in english, allowing them to play in every country's radio stations.
Should many foreign bands be as well assisted in their music's promotion and accessibility, their success would have been the same. Its rather a matter of marketing than a matter of origin.
So why didn't progressive music smash as much in US than in Europe or elsewhere. Probably because the music markets were more fractionned in US, and the music didn't fit with the commercial radio format. Without broadcast, you remain unknown.
Also, maybe that in US, lots of musicians that really had a "prog potential" turned to rather jazzy or folky music than prog music.
Now today, prog music is no more a UK train engine followd by world's wagons.
So when you also consider the actual progressive planet picture, UK is a great source of prog music, among others... ------------- LeStaff |
Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 16:01
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I agree with Logan on this. If this was specifically classic prog or modern prog, it would be much easier for me to make a decision. If it was classic prog, then I'd go with UK. If it was modern prog I'd go with U.S. No vote from me either, although I do wish that the U.S. prog scene got a bit more respect in this thread. ------------- 
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Posted By: chemebien
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 16:29
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UK. definitely
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Posted By: TheCaptain
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 16:37
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I felt bad voting for UK because it was such a landslide.
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Posted By: Speesh
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 16:38
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Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 17:35
Miles and Trane alone beat everything on that U.K. list combined. |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 17:57
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Don't care for classic prog much anymore. US gets my vote by miles and mile and miles because of the cool modern prog that comes outta there. Between The Buried and Me, Isis, Mastodon, Agalloch, The Mars Volta, Kayo Dot.... give me any of those bands over UK classic prog any day. ------------- 
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 18:39
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I'm no homer, there is no match for UK prog
While I love Zappa he can't carry the US by himself
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Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 18:42
I agree - "Yes, Pink Floyd, Genesis, King Crimson, ELP, Moody Blues, Procol Harum, Uriah Heep, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, The Beatles, Rainbow, Soft Machine, Led Zeppelin, Camel, Gentle Giant, Van Der Graaf Generator, Caravan, Jethro Tull".... indeed, many amazing musicians there, and plenty more to boot. But how many times can you listen to ITCHYCOCK or Aqualung after nearly 40 years?
Don't get me wrong; those bands paved the way and created classics that will stand for many decades to come; but what about this century? I'm much more interested in bands like Espers, Sleeping in Gethsemane, Faun Fables, Melora Creager, This Will Destroy You, the Residents, Kayo Dot or anything else that's come out since color television was invented, including many great newer bands from central Europe and Scandinavia.
The old classics will always have their place and the UK will always be the place where prog music bloomed broadest; but that doesn't mean that's where the most interesting prog and experimental music is coming from now. It's really coming from all over the place. Even metal from Tunisia (Myrath) and neo from Malta (Different Strings). There haven't been borders on music since the wall came down and we achieved the ability to send it around electronically.
Now as for where the best cars come from, that's a different story....
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Posted By: Evolutionary Sleeper
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 18:43
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UK easily...T_T
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 18:46
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USA by a large margin. Besides the original giants don't find much quality in the UK.
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 18:59
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Vote for the tradition and tradition is difficult to beat
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 19:28
Color television came to prominence in the 1950s. As a younger prog fan most of the modern stuff leaves me cold (damn technology taking all the character out of music). I feel I must listen to the old blokes to get anything with true character. Titan, out of NY, is one of the few interesting newer bands out there and this is because they play throwback, less polished sounding, music.
by the way, if you are reading this and haven't joined the 1st ever ProgArchives Fantasy Baseball League (link in sig) then I am officially calling out your manhood and insulting yo momma ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 19:38
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Dang, it's hard to choose. I think I'm going to vote for US. Tool is such a favorite that they practically make up for everything else. Zappa and DT too. Plus, the US has all the good progressive metals. ------------- 
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Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 20:38
I want this statement as my signature! Here's a bunch of clappies for feeling EXACTLY how I feel.
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Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 21:20
Once Britannia ruled the waves. Now the U.S. waves the grain! ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/new-2025-broken-hearts-troubled-minds |
Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 21:24
The television reference was a bit of hyperbole to make a point Really, "damn technology"? The mellotron was a outgrowth of technology, albeit a primitive one. Many of Bob Dylan's fans jeered when he veered away from 'traditional' instrumentation in favor of electric guitars. Yes and ELP wouldn't have been half the bands they were without the electronic wizardry that went into their various keyboards and synthesizers. It was 24-bit digital mastering that allowed most of us to hear ITCHYCOCK in all its true glory after it was remastered just a few years ago. Technology has been a part of prog music since the Moody Blues realized they could produce most of an orchestra with keyboards instead of using the real thing (if not before then - more hyperbole, you see). Titan? If you like those guys you should check out Dead Meadow, Espers, Explosions in the Sky, Caspian, Esmerine,..... Speaking of technology BTW, I see these are the credits for Titan's last album: dave - drum. set. kris - juno-60, NS-2, weeping demon, wooly mammoth, MF-103, DD-6, FV-50L, RV-5, boosta grande josh - melody maker, whammy II, weeping demon, peachfuzz, MF-102, memoryman, PH-2, DD-6, RV-5 Steve - bass guitar, coliseum, "bluish box"  ------------- "Peace is the only battle worth waging." Albert Camus |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 22:08
That's the last word on the topic, sir!
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 22:11
indeed... along with the best prog, best wine, best food.. and of course.. the most beautiful of women....  ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 22:14
My "damn technology" was in rooted in the frustration I feel over music that is too clean and processed sounding. I know that technology can only make a band boring if the band themselves allow it to. I enjoy Titan because they sound older and I will check out those other bands you mentioned, hopefully they'll be using modern means to recapture 70s sound (this I have no problem with). But even if I enjoy these groups I'm not throwing my beloved UK classics under the bus for someone new and shiney.
I have a feeling even if the instrumentals are there the vocals will be lacking because the biggest problem with most modern music is the loss of the unique vocalist. Sorry to say also that British vocal have always tended to be more interesting and we Yanks seem to have been programmed to sing all alike (at least these days). Actually, as I hear it, there are 3 different singing styles these days but I don't feel like getting into that right now.
One other thing the Brits will always have over US (oo double meaning) is Prog Folk. Don't bother trying to compare an American folk group to Tull or Strawbs. Don't want to angry up my blood
 Oh, and if there is a Canterbury in one of our fine states then where the hell is it's musical output?
Running a bit of a fever, hope I wasn't rambling insanely.
by the way, if you are reading this and haven't joined the 1st ever ProgArchives Fantasy Baseball League (link in sig) then I am officially calling out your manhood and insulting yo momma ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 22:16
Was expecting that
and can't say I disagree either, as I just said in the other poll, Italy can more than give UK a run for its money on its own steam. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 22:19
yeah.. they don't call me Captain Obvious and Mt. Predictable for nothing.. but when Raff logs in, in the morning... you better believe she'd make sure to look if I posted that 
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 22:19
Don't drink wine so I can't argue with you there, love the food, but aren't all the amazing looking women from Brazil these days? And as for cars: throw a German flag up there.
signed,
A newly sworn in member of the Sons of Italy
P.S. Should have mentioned cheese ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 22:20
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In any case, the best cars DO come from Italy..vroooom!!
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 22:20
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don't make me answer that hahahhah.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 22:23
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it's proto and early prog where the states shine; Beach Boys, Zappa, Touch, Butterfly, Beaver&Krause, not to mention some of my very favorites in the symph arena as Yezda Urfa, Happy the Man, Eccentric Orbit, many others |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 22:25
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^ without that.. the Brits would have still been playing Muddy Waters
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 22:39
Sh*te, without the Brits, Muddy Waters would have been still playing Muddy Waters.
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Posted By: rosenbach
Date Posted: March 10 2009 at 23:49
| So easy, UK of course! |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 00:02
| I'm going to pretend the poll is about progressive music and vote for the US because of avant jazz and modern progressive. |
Posted By: Prospero
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 00:12
| Jazz ain't prog zicly... Rock-wise, the Brits are always the best. |
Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 00:58
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There are so many good bands from the USA
But there is no contest, as the poll says i REALLY prefer the UK prog, by far ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 01:17
Hmmmmm, best cars overall is a no brainer............Japan Best place for prog......................Britain Most beautiful woman come from all over the planet. |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 01:39
^ Japanese cars  ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 01:49
Indeed, I hope he meant bestselling cars!
They do have a wide range of offerings across the board, no denying, but where are those Lamborghinis? |
Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 02:05
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It really depends on when you are talking about. If you are going for the '70's classic era, the UK, Italy and even France beat the USA easily. ------------- 
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Posted By: poslednijat_colobar
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 02:25
| Yeah, for me old good UK! |
Posted By: poslednijat_colobar
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 02:27
It could be another interesting poll, I think!  |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 07:35
| UK prog has been far, far ahead of US prog, but this distance has somewhat lessened lately. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 07:42
it could be.. but wouldn't.... if the 'world' could barely edge the UK. How do think a subset of that would fare. We all know that people tend to stick to the familiar... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: infandous
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 10:34
Well, if it's any consolation, even though I picked the UK over the US in this poll (and I'm a US citizen).......I would pick Italy over the UK for prog without hesitation. |
Posted By: infandous
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 10:35
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 11:46
True enough, UK seems to the chief in neo-prog ever since Marillion came to public knowledge, but it seems like every group coming from there since is incapable of doing sometyhing else but neo_prog.... past the 70's , its US hands down (all genres considered)
And it's not the odd exception like Karda Estra that will deny this rule. Even Thieve's Kitchen's latest album wth its strong retro-prog flavour reeks of neo-prog.
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Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 12:26
| They're are good artists on both sides. I abstain from voting. |
Posted By: angelmk
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 12:50
| UK prog . |
Posted By: zicIy
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 15:18
should i say what?
well., ok... Hendrix, The Doors, Janis Joplin And Big Brother&The Holding Company, Commander Cody and The Lost Planet, The Doobie Brothers, Jefferson Airplane, Jan & Dean, Journey, Steve Miller Band, Seals& Crofts, The Velvet Underground, Sparks, Spirit,Ry Cooder, Tower of Power, Sons Of Champlin, Canned Heat, Tim Buckley,Joni Mitchell, Buffalo Springfiield, CSN&Y, Chicago, Alice Cooper...Prince... David Torn....Steve Tibetts......Oregon........ Art Ensemble of Chicago... ...hey, i get enough!
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 15:29
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Excellent list, but perhaps you forgot that we're talking about PROG here.... I wouldn't call the likes of Alice Cooper or The Doobie Brothers prog.
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Posted By: zicIy
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 15:36
i have an "strange" idea that U.S. progressive popular music is very different than British, and, IMHO, much better.
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Posted By: zicIy
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 15:45
why he´s not Prog, if Uriah Heep is ? yes, this is "if X than Y" stuff, BUT PLEASE TELL ME WHY? your opinion? of course i´m here for fun, but ,also, to learn something more about that progressive music.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 15:48
Just tell me where I mentioned Uriah Heep, whom I don't even like ....
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 15:50
ever hear of little p and capital P axiom. progressive rock and Progressive Rock are not one and the same. was Alice Cooper progressive 'rock.'. of course he was. ..so was Elvis ... does he have any association with 'Progressive Rock'Nope. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 15:55
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There are those that would beg to differ on Alice Cooper. A semi-recent discussion had those who were citing the shock rocker's progginess. There was even some mention regarding his latest concept album release. ------------- 
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Posted By: zicIy
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 15:55
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Posted By: claugroi
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 15:56
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Hahahaa, no comparison: UK prog in head ! ------------- Symphonic Prog Master |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 15:57
a concept album not a prog album make..... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 15:57
The Japanese don't make cars that are as flashy as the Italians but if you want a good reliable vehicle look no further than Honda or Toyota. The Japanese small trucks are now ahead of even the American small truck manufacturers. If you are looking for a really good roadster you must consider the Honda S2000.
Hey, I was a mechanic and I swear by the Japanese vehicles.
You and your mate will look good in the gem below without looking overly pretentious like say Keith Emerson
 , plus the design and execution of the S2000 is world class.Just drive one and you will see.
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Posted By: zicIy
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 15:58
Greetings Micky! |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 16:03
No but it is a prog factor. However, I can't say anything at all regarding the music since I haven't heard it, but there were those in that thread that said there was something proggy in the works going on there. -------------
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 16:08
again.. take me up on my offer from the SC zone Scott... wanna take a listen to some things that people call.... prog. Even the supremely open-minded, someone like me who believe in a inclusive database here, nearly died in laughter. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 16:09
salutations hahahha ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: zicIy
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 16:12
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 16:14
I believe that Alice Cooper had association with progressive rock. For starters, do you know Pretties for You? The Alice Cooper band debut from 1969 which was released on Frank Zappa's label? http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2008803 - http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2008803 |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 16:15
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oh sure he is.. .and that stage show... it works for prog. Until we create a sub-genre for shock rock/theatric prog. We just have to judge on the music. School's Out... or 18.. or Under My Wheels just sort of miss the mark a little bit as to what most people think of when it comes to Progressive Rock hahha. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 16:17
Yes, but you forget that I judge prog by whether or not it is in my collection, and there is quite of bit of Alice Cooper in my collection. And with some of the suggestions that I have made, I suspect that I have probably made you nearly die in laughter more than once.-------------
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 16:17
very true... he did have connections with Zappa. Again though.. we can Kevin Bacon half the musical world into Prog Archives in one or two degrees hahahha. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 16:20
what did I tell you before... stop that sh*t Scott  .... you are talking to the guy the ONLY person on this site who has ever suggested Beck... yeah.. Beck for inclusion here. I actually made Ivan laugh so hard he forgot to answer my suggestion in blue font hahha------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 16:23
| Oh, for heaven's sake, next time I'll think one hundred times before posting... I thought this poll's title and its placement were clear enough. Do you want to think Alice Cooper is prog? Be my guest - just don't jump all over me for mentioning his name, or slap Uriah Heep in my face when I never ever dreamed of mentioning them. |
Posted By: fil karada
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 16:48
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Is this a joke? C'mon
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 17:10
I think he/ and the band has a musical, as well as personal, relation to Prog, but not enough for me to suggest him for Related. http://www.amazon.com/Pretties-You-Alice-Cooper/dp/B000056NV6 - http://www.amazon.com/Pretties-You-Alice-Cooper/dp/B000056NV6 |
Posted By: angelmk
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 17:12
last 4 th page is  , guys, please continue . micky you rocks man , i enjoyed reading this discussion so far. especially the part : ''''was Alice Cooper progressive 'rock.'. of course he was. ..so was Elvis ... does he have any association with 'Progressive Rock'Nope.'''' and this : '''very true... he did have connections with Zappa. Again though.. we can Kevin Bacon half the musical world into Prog Archives in one or two degrees ''' micky you are the man. (i know this above statement of mine sounded like i'am supporting Federer in in us open finals but that was how i felt that moment) BTW i don't think Alice Cooper should be considered as Prog anyway, |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 17:14
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I think that is the whole point of matters... like we've said before.. Find me us an artist in the 70's that wasn't related to prog in some small manner at least... even beyond mere association...musically a great many of them took something from prog. My whole problem with PR.. but that is another subject.. beat to death long ago.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 17:23
fun is the name of my game hahha.. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 17:23
| But you were saying that he didn't have "any association with 'Progressive Rock'" as I understood it, which surprised me coming from you. My general opinion is much the same as yours -- it's really a matter of Prog/ Prog-Relatedness by degree. Alice Cooper is not closely enough related for me to support his inclusion in PR, but that doesn't mean that he has no association, of course. |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 17:29
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I'd argue that he probably fits closer with Art Rock than Progressive Rock given his shock rock status, and being that he is as much, if not more so, about the performance as he is about the music. And despite my comments on the previous page I do not associate Alice Cooper with progressive rock either, however, as has since been mentioned, it is also not something that can be completely dismissed either. -------------
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 17:33
my earlier post was.. I thought was obvious with the Elvis quip... tongue in cheek. Of course he has some relation to prog.. what is prog.... if you cut TO THE BONE. It is the merging of rock music with the artistic aesthetic. DId he do that... in his own funny way. He did. Enough to be included here?... god knows..I don't think so.. but what do I know. As I said.. if you added every artist in the 70's who dabbled with arts in music. This would be allmusic.com. It comes down in the end to the music... and in that... I think most would agree he just didn't measure up to that. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 17:35
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sorry Scott.. meant to quote Greg with that..
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 17:41
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Okay, sorry, Micky for taking it so literally. Methinks that one of the effects of having stopped smoking recently is that as the nicotine levels go down, the pedanticism goes up.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 17:42
that is why it is going to take Raff locking the bedroom door for me to finally quit ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 18:07
Plenty of sleep and exercise is the best way to quit. If one is locked in a bedroom with someone one loves, one can get plenty of both. Just make sure to store plenty of snacks and powerades ... some oysters in the bedroom mini-fridge.... |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 18:39
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hahahha .... we both had a good laugh with that Greg. We'll file that one away for future reference haha
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Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 20:45
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When Alice toured the UK he called his tour "Welcome to me bleeding nightmare" ... He was not prog then either. ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/new-2025-broken-hearts-troubled-minds |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 21:05
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Well, at least none of us, that I've noticed are saying that Alice
Cooper was ever prog, though I think he has music that is prog-related
to whatever extent. The Alice Cooper band's debut bears both the influence
of Frank Zappa and Pink Floyd I'd say, but it's more psych than proggy. Been quite a few years since I last heard it. And I think the
follow-up had some Prog Related merits. Prog-Related to an extent at best, I'd say, based on memory. I used to be big on Alice Cooper long ago. EDIT: Serious digression, but what do I know, I think of Cream as Proto-Prog. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 21:15
Lol, man, you know, the only cars I can hope to afford at least at this point are small Japanese cars, that's why the disdain.
My dad has had a Japanese car, and Indian one and now an American car and by far, the best one was the Japanese. But...those Italian beauties are like mythical Gods. If it's an illusion, I don't want it to be disturbed. Oh, and looking overly pretentious seems like a definite turn on for me, maybe I might even dress up as Brittannia just to shock the other guys on the road. |
Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 22:04
Hey, if you got the cheese Ferrari will aim to please but I would take the Honda S2000 over a Ferrari. I once had a Dodge Viper to drive for a day and it was all I could do to keep the damn thing at the speed limit and most of the time I had to drive around in third gear with a 6 speed box at my disposal. The S2000 is a four banger with all kinds of thrill and it's rear wheel drive to boot. It can be had for under 40K. Not bad for a car that has a 8000 RPM redline. Oh and as far as the thread goes, Alice is about as progrssive as Elvis is. Hey the Beatles are not progressive either, but they are here anyway. So, maybe this site is starting to resemble 'Music Archives' |
Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: March 12 2009 at 11:01
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I hate to say the UK as it's my country but I'll go with UK also.But don't worry guys I have great appreciation music in America!!!
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Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: March 12 2009 at 20:12
Yeah... then why are the Who here?
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: March 12 2009 at 20:15
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I prefer U.K. prog, simply out of quantity.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 12 2009 at 20:26
read the bio ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: zicIy
Date Posted: March 13 2009 at 02:14
no, Micky, not allmusic.com!
 i agree it could be like All Soul's Day then. i agree that´s non sense to add "every artist in 70's who dabbled with arts in music". imho, the best way is to make separated PA forums like this: British Prog, American Prog, Italian Prog, German Prog, Scandinavia Prog, etc, etc,. for example Frank Zappa...he was very progressive and he was great, no question, but he has nothing in common with (great) British Progressive Rock movement of late 60's - '70s.when all of these (great) artists are together in the same bunch, the confussion will never stop! of course, hey, this is just my little suggestion and i don´t expect that someone here is gonna take it seriosly. for now.
 cheers!
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