Playlist of pre '66 Proto-Prog
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Topic: Playlist of pre '66 Proto-Prog
Posted By: earlyprog
Subject: Playlist of pre '66 Proto-Prog
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 13:39
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I'm trying to create a playlist of proto-prog prior to 1966. I need your collaboration, so please fill in any blanks you find - any pre-'66 song you think may have contributed to the development of prog.
You can hear the playlist "Proto-prog pre-'67" at Wolfgang's Vault http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/ - http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/ under "Top Playlists". It's not complete as I have only used the live recordings available at Wolfgang's Vault.
Song Recorded/Released Artist
Green Onions June?/Aug ’62 Booker T. & The MG’s Chinese Checkers ?/June ’63 Booker T. & The MG’s Mo’ Onions ?/Dec ’63 Booker T. & The MG’s A Hard Day’s Night April/July ’64 Beatles I Feel Fine Oct/Nov ’64 Beatles I Can’t Explain Nov ‘64/Jan ’65 Who For Your Love ?/Feb ’65 Yardbirds I Knew I’d Want You Jan/April ’65 Byrds Anyway, Anyhow, Anywhere April/May ’65 Who Here Without You April/July ’65 Byrds Desolation Row June/Aug ’65 Bob Dylan Still I’m Sad ?/Oct ’65 Yardbirds It Won’t Be Wrong Sept/Dec ’65 Byrds Stranger In A Strange Land Sept ‘65/’96 Byrds Norwegian Wood Oct/Dec ’65 Beatles If I Needed Someone Oct/Dec ’65 Beatles In My Life Oct/Dec ’65 Beatles Nowhere Man Oct/Dec ’65 Beatles My Generation Oct/Nov ’65 Who The Good’s Gone ?/Dec ’65 Who The Word Nov/Dec ’65 Beatles He Was A Friend Of Mine Nov/Dec ’65 Byrds Pet Sounds Nov ‘65/May ’66 Beach Boys It’s No Secret Dec ‘65/Sept 66 Jefferson Airplane High Flyin’ Bird Dec ‘65/? Jefferson Airplane |
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Posted By: DJPuffyLemon
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 15:52
| no hendrix or rolling stones? |
Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 19:27
| Some of the early Yardbirds is about as proto as it gets. |
Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: March 04 2009 at 03:30
1964 and 1965 is a bit too early for Hendrix to qualify?!
The Stones weren't progressive until '67's Satanic Majesties Request?
Name any Stones song from '64-'65 that could be considered proto-prog. |
DJPuffyLemon wrote:Posted By: Rank1
Date Posted: March 05 2009 at 13:56
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The Animals "House of the Rising Sun"
The Kinks "See My Friends"
The Rolling Stones" Play With Fire"
The Who "The Ox"
The Yardbirds "Heart Full Of Soul"
The Beatles
"Not A Second Time"
"Things We Said Today"
"Every Little Thing"
"Yesterday"
"Girl"
"We Can Work It Out"
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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: March 05 2009 at 14:26
 Beautiful, Rank1 ! Much appreciated.
I was about to list The Animals myself. And I had completely forgotten "The Ox".
Thanks.
BTW, there's also Seventh Sons - an excerpt would fit the playlist.
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Posted By: Captain Capricorn
Date Posted: March 05 2009 at 14:46
| Joe Meek - I Hear a New World (1960) |
Posted By: zicIy
Date Posted: March 06 2009 at 01:53
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"Hesitation Blues" - The Holy Modal Rounders (1964)
"Zoot Suit" - The Who (1964)
"i´m The Face" - The Who (1964)
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Posted By: zicIy
Date Posted: March 06 2009 at 02:23
| not pre '66, but i like to mentioned that great instrumental track - "East West" by Paul Butterfield Blues Band (1966) |
Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: March 06 2009 at 02:46
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Agreed; a lot of stuff off of Having a Rave Up or Roger the Engineer would qualify. If nothing, play "Still I'm Sad," and be amazed that that thing was produced in 1965. The Beach Boys are a treasure trove of course. Pet Sounds is chock full of wonderful crap, but going back to "California Girls," and, BOOM! The very first rock song with an overture. ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: ModernRocker79
Date Posted: March 06 2009 at 11:02
Roger the Engineer was recorded in the spring and summer of 1966. Many people forget that most of Pet Sounds was recorded in 1966 and was finished when the Beatles started recording Revolver. The only songs on Pet Sounds that were recorded and finished in 1965 were "Sloop John B" and "Pet Sounds. Tracks like "God Only Knows" were recorded in March and April of 1966.
The Zombies- "She's Not There" August 1964
The Moody Blues- "Go Now" November 1964
The Yardbirds- Shapes of Things recorded in late 1965 and released in Feb 1966
Some Beatle tracks
"Ticket To Ride" noted for it's massive chiming and droning bass guitar sound. The raga-rock drum pattern would be followed the next year on "Tomorrow Never Knows". The track uses varispeeding
"You've Got To Hide Your Love Away" a very folksy song two-bridge pop song that is in 3/4 time signature in Mixolydian Mode. The fade out with flutes has a baroque styled ending
"Think For Yourself" is a tour de force in altered scales with lyrics that is political in nature. The song is well known for its use of a double bass style one lead fuzz bass and the other regular tone.
This has a nice musical timeline of 1962-1966 Beatles if anyone is interested.
http://www.listology.com/content_show.cfm/content_id.37877/Music - www.listology.com/content_show.cfm/content_id.37877/Music
http://www.listology.com/content_show.cfm/content_id.37877/Music -
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: March 07 2009 at 00:12
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Posted By: Odisseos
Date Posted: March 08 2009 at 21:46
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What about Ringo's mambo drumming on I Feel Fine from 1964?
Or I Call Your Name from 1964 with a rim shot and change of signature and a middle 8 guitar melody not related, derivative or variation of the main melody?
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Posted By: zicIy
Date Posted: March 09 2009 at 02:24
"Milestones", "Kind of Blue" ... Miles' albums pre'66...who made the better proto-prog than him at that ancient times ? Nobody. 
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Posted By: zicIy
Date Posted: March 09 2009 at 06:23
thanks for this applause, Jammun!
 yeah, that 13 minutes long instrumental is the first progressive rock track, in my opinion. |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: March 09 2009 at 07:45
| Bob Dylan's "Like a Rolling Stone" is a must for this list, I think! |
Posted By: Captain Capricorn
Date Posted: March 09 2009 at 07:54
Subterranean Homesick Blues?
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: March 09 2009 at 08:13
I need to hear that one again, I can't really remember how it sounds... |
Posted By: Captain Capricorn
Date Posted: March 09 2009 at 08:15
http://www.playlist.com/searchbeta/tracks#bob%20dylan%20subterranean - http://www.playlist.com/searchbeta/tracks#bob%20dylan%20subterranean
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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: March 09 2009 at 10:38
Not a big early (or late) Stones fan myself, so I borrowed "Out of your Heads" and understand why you mention it.
Beautiful song enhanced by the harpsichord.
"Yesterday's Papers" (recorded Nov '66, released Jan '67) also uses harpsichord.
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Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: March 09 2009 at 11:28
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Robbie Basho - Seal of the Blue Lotus (1965)
John Fahey - The Voice of the Turtle (1965)
Ahmet Ertegun - Mess Around (1953 - covered by the Animals in 1965)
Woody Guthrie - This Land is Your Land (1944) - and yes, I'm serious
Leadbelly - Goodnight, Irene (1932)
------------- "Peace is the only battle worth waging." Albert Camus |
Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 11:34
I found these on "Quadrophenia - original soundtrack". What's proto-prog about these?
(BTW, also found some nice previously unreleased tracks from the original Quadrophenia album sessions on the soundtrack.)
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Posted By: zicIy
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 14:19
very simple that - no Zoot Suit, no I'm The Face 1964 - NO QUADROPHENIA 1973.
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: March 12 2009 at 15:44
No, and with good reason. Hendrix wasn't around, and the stones had hardly any prog relation, especially at that time. ------------- 
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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: March 12 2009 at 16:43
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Suggestions so far:
Song Recorded/Released Artist Goodnight, Irene ?/? ’32 Leadbelly This Land is Your Land ?/? ’44 Woody Guthrie Mess Around ?/? ’53 Ahmet Ertegun Milestones ’58 Miles Davis Kind of Blue ’59 Miles Davis I Hear a New World ?/? ’60 Joe Meek Green Onions June?/Aug ’62 Booker T. & The MG’s Chinese Checkers ?/June ’63 Booker T. & The MG’s Mo’ Onions ?/Dec ’63 Booker T. & The MG’s Not A Second Time Sept/Nov ’63 Beatles I Call Your Name Mar/June ’64 Beatles A Hard Day’s Night April/July ’64 Beatles House of the Rising Sun May/June ’64 Animals Things We Said Today June/July ’64 Beatles Zoot Suit June/July ’64 Who I’m The Face June/July Who She's Not There ?/July ’64 Zombies Go Now ?/Nov ’64 Moody Blues Every Little Thing Sept/Dec ’64 Beatles I Feel Fine Oct/Nov ’64 Beatles Hesitation Blues ?/? ’64 The Holy Modal Rounders I Can’t Explain Nov ‘64/Jan ’65 Who
Raga ? '64/'68 Seventh Sons
For Your Love ?/Feb ’65 Yardbirds
Play with Fire Jan/Feb ‘65 Rolling Stones Subterranean Homesick Blues Jan/April ’65 Bob Dylan I Knew I’d Want You Jan/April ’65 Byrds Ticket To Ride Feb/April ’65 Beatles You've Got To Hide Your Love Away Feb/Aug ’65 Beatles Anyway, Anyhow, Anywhere April/May ’65 Who California Girls April/July ’65 Beach Boys Here Without You April/July ’65 Byrds Heart Full Of Soul ?/June ’65 Yardbirds Like A Rolling Stone June/July ’65 Bob Dylan Desolation Row June/Aug ’65 Bob Dylan See My Friends ?/? ’65 Kinks Yesterday June/Aug ’65 Beatles Still I’m Sad ?/Oct ’65 Yardbirds It Won’t Be Wrong Sept/Dec ’65 Byrds Stranger In A Strange Land Sept ‘65/’96 Byrds Norwegian http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56103 - Wood Oct/Dec ’65 BeatlesIf I Needed Someone Oct/Dec ’65 Beatles In My Life Oct/Dec ’65 Beatles Nowhere Man Oct/Dec ’65 Beatles We Can Work It Out Oct/Dec ’65 Beatles My Generation Oct/Nov ’65 Who The Good’s Gone ?/Dec ’65 Who The Ox ?/Dec ’65 Who The Word Nov/Dec ’65 Beatles Girl Nov ‘65/Dec ’65 Beatles Think For Yourself Nov/Dec ’65 Beatles He Was A Friend Of Mine Nov/Dec ’65 Byrds Pet Sounds Nov ‘65/May ’66 Beach Boys It’s No Secret Dec ‘65/Sept 66 Jefferson Airplane High Flyin’ http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56103 - Bird Dec ‘65/? Jefferson AirplaneSeal of the http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56103&PN=2 - ?/? ’65 Robbie Basho The Voice of the Turtle ?/? ’65 John Fahey Shapes of Things ‘65/Feb ’66 Yardbirds |
Posted By: Rank1
Date Posted: March 13 2009 at 10:51
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Out of the ones not on your original list I would add.
"We Can Work It Out". Though not a psychedelic rock songs the harmonium swell pedal effects on "We Can Work it Out" is just a prelude to what your hear later in 1966-1967. Also the change of time signatures on the bridge a sure sign of proto-prog elements. The sound of the song is very unique at the time in rock music.
I would add the "Ox" by the Who it has very pre-sounding Hendrix guitar feedback on the track. I would say a no to "Zoot Suit" and "Im the Face". I would add "Heart Full of Soul", "See My Friends", and "You've Got Hide Your Love Away". That's IMO.
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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: March 13 2009 at 15:06
I strongly tend to agree with you as I have already indicated above.
I'm also not sure about Go Now.
Although by bands (previously) listed as proto-prog, I don't find the songs themselves to be proto-prog.
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Posted By: Captain Capricorn
Date Posted: March 13 2009 at 15:11
I Hear A New World was recorded in 1959.
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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: March 14 2009 at 08:16
Any particular tracks off these albums?
May I suggest All Blues and/or So What off Kind Of Blue?
Do not know Milestones, so need your help on this one.
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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: March 14 2009 at 12:39
 Christ, this is unbelievable. "Lightyears" ahead of its time ! |
Posted By: Captain Capricorn
Date Posted: March 14 2009 at 12:46
Tell me about it...tragic that he killed himself a few years after the recording
 ...Joe Meek is like the long lost prophet of psychedelic/space rock
The Tornados would be a nice addition to that pre '66 playlist...Meek produced their music & incorperated a lot of his space effects into their sound...here is a link to their songs Telstar & Robot, both from '63:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQdDjy1UtW4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQdDjy1UtW4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYkjKWe5X80 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYkjKWe5X80
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Posted By: Captain Capricorn
Date Posted: March 14 2009 at 14:51
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- also, check out Attilio Mineo's Man In Space With Sounds (1962)
http://heinouberspace.blogspot.com/2007/09/attilio-mineo-conducts-man-in-space.html - http://heinouberspace.blogspot.com/2007/09/attilio-mineo-conducts-man-in-space.html
...as well as Louis & Bebe Barron's soundtrack to the 1956 film Forbidden Planet & Les Baxter's Music Out Of The Moon (1947).
I suppose all of this might work better for a pre '66 space playlist than a pre '66 prog playlist
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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 08:14
Followed the links and they indeed fit the playlist.
Found this interesting info on Wikipedia, about their guitarist:
Rhythm guitarist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Bellamy - George Bellamy is the father of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Bellamy - Matthew Bellamy , frontman for British http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_music - rock http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_ensemble - band http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muse_%28band%29 - Muse . The introduction in " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Of_Cydonia - Knights Of Cydonia " by Muse is very similar to that of "Telstar". |
Posted By: Captain Capricorn
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 10:55
...well that explains a lot!
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 17:59
Yeah, it really is. Do you think that Joe Meek would stand a chance as a proto-prog addition for this album? -------------
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Posted By: Odisseos
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 06:53
| J.S.Bach's Brandemburg Concerto #5, allegro #2 with a killer harpsicord solo |
Posted By: weetabix
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 07:00
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Dave Berry and "The crying game" comes to mind and Twinkle w/ "Terry" but my money is on The early Jefferson Airplane surrealistic pillow stuff.
The Beau Brummels Laugh Laugh.
Telstar w/ the Tornados
Last but not least my earliest recolection of prog goes to 1959 Tracey Pendarvis and "Thousand guitars"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-paz1hfSc0 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-paz1hfSc0
And this bloke http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCzjBZABec4&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCzjBZABec4&feature=related
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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 08:39
 ....... First I laughed, next I asked myself why not. Had the harpsichord been added to a rock/blues/R&B/R'n'R context, then perhaps yes. The mixing of classical music (technology) with other (moden) genres being the key of course.
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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 08:44
Discussed and added as per above.
Jefferson Airplane only just made to the list with some pre '66 stuff. By default, a few songs off their debut has already been added to the playlist.
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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: March 18 2009 at 05:12
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Just an observation:
Most of Rubber Soul has been included. Surely underlines its importance as a proto-prog album.
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: March 18 2009 at 05:52
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The 13.40 long suite from Fistful of Dollars by Ennio Morricone has all you can dream of in a prog-epic. A masterpiece! Morricone has loads that could pass for prog of numerous subgenres, though. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: March 18 2009 at 06:13
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Another recommendation to add is Captain Beefheart's A&M sessions from 1965,sadly not on PAs
Tracklist - Diddy Wah Diddy Who Do You Think You're Fooling Moonchild Frying Pan Here I Am I Always Am ------------- 
Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb. |
Posted By: Odisseos
Date Posted: March 18 2009 at 09:34
| The Easybeats - Friday On My Mind (1966) |
Posted By: Rank1
Date Posted: March 18 2009 at 11:44
These sessions were recorded in early 1966.
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Posted By: Rank1
Date Posted: March 18 2009 at 11:52
I think it's because many of the tracks have a hippie type vibe to them like the "The Word", "Think For Yourself" and ("Norwegian Wood") psychedelic folk? Then there are the European folk influences of "Girl", and the sped up baroque sounding keyboard solo of "In My Life". I can see why Brian Wilson and Brian Jones were influenced by this album.
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Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: March 18 2009 at 12:42
Not according to Beefheart.com :-) http://www.beefheart.com/datharp/albums/official/index.html -------------
Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb. |
Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: March 18 2009 at 14:40
Judging from the youtube clip alone I would say yes, but this really should be based on his entire catalogue or at least the album in question. I have preordered a copy of the forthcoming reissue of the album. Until then I owe you an answer on that one.
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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: March 18 2009 at 15:47
Wasn't this 1968? according Wikipedia and other sources it was.
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Posted By: Captain Capricorn
Date Posted: March 18 2009 at 16:08
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The Ventures - Out Of Limits (1964) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbO51nQZojQ - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbO51nQZojQ
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Posted By: Captain Capricorn
Date Posted: March 18 2009 at 16:16
No doubt! Morricone was a true visionary...my fav from him is Once Upon A Time In The West...pure magic!
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: March 19 2009 at 06:32
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^The whole Man with no Name-trilogy, and the later Once Upon... soundtracks are filled with magic. Fistful of Dollars is a particular favorite of mine probably because its performed as one long piece. But I also picked it because i think its the most relevant piece compositionwise, and that its from as early as 1964. This totally amazing piece, is from A Few Dollars More made in 1965: ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: March 19 2009 at 08:13
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I think some of these were already mentioned, but here are some proto-prog artists for you:
Sun Ra Les Baxter John Coltrane Dick Hyman The Shadows The Ventures Sandy Bull Jon Lord's Santa Barbara Machine Head Regarding Jimi Hendrix, I believe there is an early recorded guitat 'freakout' with The Isley Brothers circa about 1965, I've never heard it, just read about it. |
Posted By: Captain Capricorn
Date Posted: March 19 2009 at 08:32
Wonderful piece! I love the Few Dollars soundtrack (Fistful is great too) ...a lot of interesting moments - almost John Cage meets Andrew Lloyd Webber
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Posted By: Captain Capricorn
Date Posted: March 19 2009 at 08:46
Did they release anything prior to 67?
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: March 19 2009 at 09:14
| ^ according to their bio, they were 'organized' (ha ha) in 67. |
Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: March 19 2009 at 10:41
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Are all these songs suggested in the last few days seriously within the boundaries of Proto-Progressive ROCK?
I need to follow up on the latest suggestions, but I think the minimum requirement should be the presence of an electric guitar. Or what do you think?
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: March 19 2009 at 10:49
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^ OK then, shorten that list to
The Ventures The Shadows Sandy Bull |
Posted By: Rank1
Date Posted: March 19 2009 at 11:42
Proto-Prog is a rock based genre correct? I don't get some of the suggestions like Coltrane or Sandy Bull.
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: March 19 2009 at 12:27
| Sandy Bull is a guitar player, he released an album with lengthy non-jazz guitar/drum improvs (beat driven folk/raga sort of) with the drummer from Ornette Coleman's band. I forget when it came out, somewhere between 62 and 64 I think. |
Posted By: Rank1
Date Posted: March 19 2009 at 12:50
That's cool but Proto-Prog is a rock subgenre.
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Posted By: Odisseos
Date Posted: March 19 2009 at 16:28
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Proto-Prog is not a subgenre, it is the seed of Progressive Music, not necessarily rock.
Any adventurous kind of music is prog imo: Anthony Phillips, Harmonium, Vangelis, Quilapayun... By the way, the end of proto-prog is the beginning of prog, so Deep Purple's Book of Taliesyn is proto-prog but Machine Head is retro, retro-prog or simply rock. In other words, after 1969 or 1970 there is no more proto-prog.
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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: March 20 2009 at 04:21
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Irrespective of what you consider as proto-prog, keep these proto-prog songs coming whether rock or other genre.
More suggestions (inspired be earlier threads):
Del Shannon Hats Off To Larry '61
Mar-Keys Last Night '61
Chantays Pipeline '63
Rebels '63
Marketts Out Of Limits '64
Dave Brubeck Quartet Take Five Dave Clark Five John Coltrane "A Love Supreme"+ Crescent Herbie Hancock - Empyrean Isles. Bruce Haack - Dance, Sing and Listen Skatellites? Gottfried Michael Koenig "PROJECT 1" Karlheinz Stockhausen "Mixtur" and "Mikrophonie I" Graham Bond? Georgie Fame? Alan Price? Zoot Money? Alan Price Terry Riley |
Posted By: Captain Capricorn
Date Posted: March 20 2009 at 15:13
Excellent additions! ...have we mentioned John Cage & Steve Reich yet?
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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: March 21 2009 at 06:59
No wonder I always thought this sounded like Booker T. & The MG's. I have just learned that It basically IS Booker T. & The MG's with members from this band.
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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: March 21 2009 at 07:08
With an early use of synthesizer-like electronics of some sort?
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Posted By: zicIy
Date Posted: March 24 2009 at 04:48
yea! "So What" track is my fav on "Kind of Blue" album.
"Milestones" the title track is my fav.
just my opinions, of course.
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Posted By: zicIy
Date Posted: March 24 2009 at 05:25
Pete Townshend was mentioned those mod hymns "Zoot Suit" & "I'm The Face" at Quadrophenia - an great rock opera about mods and their era, so if that's not enough for those two songs to be on your list, let's clean them out from the list. very simple.
i understand that's very hard to make an huge list of pre '66 proto-prog songs, so i just tried to help.
the opinions are always different.
for example, i disagree that "The Ox" track is proto-prog. IMHO, that one is the very first British Prog Rock track.
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: March 24 2009 at 20:47
Maybe it was just that cheesy organ that graced most of his hits, e.g., Runaway.
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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: March 25 2009 at 04:33
Entwistle plays a wonderful bolero style bass as he often did. It was later adopted by Emerson and King Crimson who fell in love with the bolero. Even to this day it remains a signature aspect of Emerson's best work, just listen to 2008's Emerson Band feat. Bonilla
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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: March 25 2009 at 05:44
Great examples of music that may have influenced prog. Most notably the use of the theremin, the Moog and electronics. I think the most obvious link can be heard in early Frank Zappa. And Brian Wilson's use of the theremin. In a way, the sci-fi theme also acts as a precursor to the concept album. Also, this music is a precursor to prog artists' excursions into film scores / soundtracks.
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: March 25 2009 at 08:15
How about the 18 min epic http://www.musthear.com/music/reviews/john-coltrane/ole-coltrane/ - Olé from Olé Coltrane 1961? It really sticks out of its time, and the album it belongs. (not just because its long) Very similar approach to a lot of jazzrockfusion we got on this site.. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: March 25 2009 at 08:55
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Not sure if anyone has mentioned Raymond Scott yet.
He was a pioneer of electronic music from the 1940s. His music has had an influence on many musicians including R.E.M., Eno and many electronica artists. Link: http://raymondscott.com/timeline.html -------------
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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: March 25 2009 at 10:00
- recorded February '64 and released June that year.
More proto-prog Animals:
Baby Let Me Take You Home Feb/March '64
I'm Crying July/? '64
We Gotta Get Out Of This Place ?/July '65 (earliest example of US-type psychedelic rock?)
It's My Life ?/? '65 (another early example of US-type psychedelic)
I'm Gonna Change The World ?/? '65 (yet another early example of US-type psychedelic rock)
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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: March 30 2009 at 14:23
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In conclusion, below the proto-prog songs suggested.
I will continue the analysis of the songs in a future blog.
Song Recorded/Released Artist Goodnight, Irene ?/? ’32 Leadbelly This Land is Your Land ?/? ’44 Woody Guthrie ? 40’s Raymond Scott Music Out Of The Moon ?/? ’47 Les Baxter Mess Around ?/? ’53 Ahmet Ertegun Forbidden Planet ?/? ’56 Louis & Bebe Barron Milestones ’58 Miles Davis So What March '59/Aug ’59 Miles Davis All Blues April '59/Aug '59 Miles Davis
Take Five July '59/? ’59 Dave Brubeck Quartet
Blue Rondo A la Turk Aug '59/ Dave Brubeck Quartet
Thousand guitars ?/? ‘59 Tracey Pendarvis I Hear a New World ? ‘59/? ’60 Joe Meek Olé ?/? ’61 John Coltrane Hats Off To Larry ?/? '61 Del Shannon Last Night ?/? ’61 Mar-Keys Man In Space With Sounds ?/? ’62 Attilio Mineo ? ? The Shadows Green Onions June?/Aug ’62 Booker T. & The MG’s Chinese Checkers ?/June ’63 Booker T. & The MG’s Mo’ Onions ?/Dec ’63 Booker T. & The MG’s Not A Second Time Sept/Nov ’63 Beatles Pipeline ?/? '63 Chantays Telstar ?/? ’63 Tornados Robot ?/? ’63 Tornados ? ?/? ’63 Rebels "Mixtur" and "Mikrophonie I" ?/? Terry Riley ?/? Steve Reich ?/? John Cage Out Of Limits ?/? '64 Marketts (Ventures?) ? ?/? ’64 Dave Clark Five I Call Your Name Mar/June ’64 Beatles Baby Let Me Take You Home Feb/March ’64 Animals House of the Rising Sun Feb/June ’64 Animals A Hard Day’s Night April/July ’64 Beatles She’s Not There ?/July? ’64 Zombies Things We Said Today June/July ’64 Beatles Zoot Suit June/July ’64 Who I’m The Face June/July Who I’m Crying July/? ’64 Animals Every Little Thing Sept/Dec ’64 Beatles I Feel Fine Oct/Nov ’64 Beatles Go Now ?/Nov ’64 Moody Blues Tell Her No ?/Dec ’64 Zombies Hesitation Blues ?/? ’64 The Holy Modal Rounders I Can’t Explain Nov ‘64/Jan ’65 Who A Fistful Of Dollars ?/? ’64 Ennio Morricone
Crescent ?/? ’64 John Coltrane A Love Supreme Dec '64/? ’65 John Coltrane Raga ? '64/'68 Seventh Sons For Your Love ?/Feb ’65 Yardbirds Play with Fire Jan/Feb ‘65 Rolling Stones Subterranean Homesick Blues Jan/April ’65 Bob Dylan I Knew I’d Want You Jan/April ’65 Byrds Ticket To Ride Feb/April ’65 Beatles You've Got To Hide Your Love Away Feb/Aug ’65 Beatles Anyway, Anyhow, Anywhere April/May ’65 Who California Girls April/July ’65 Beach Boys Here Without You April/July ’65 Byrds Heart Full Of Soul ?/June ’65 Yardbirds Like A Rolling Stone June/July ’65 Bob Dylan Desolation Row June/Aug ’65 Bob Dylan See My Friends ?/? ’65 Kinks We Gotta Get Out Of This Place ?/July ’65 Animals It’s My Life ?/? ’65 Animals I’m Gonna Change The World ?/? ’65 Animals Yesterday June/Aug ’65 Beatles Still I’m Sad ?/Oct ’65 Yardbirds It Won’t Be Wrong Sept/Dec ’65 Byrds Stranger In A Strange Land Sept ‘65/’96 Byrds Norwegian http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56103 - Oct/Dec ’65 Beatles If I Needed Someone Oct/Dec ’65 Beatles In My Life Oct/Dec ’65 Beatles Nowhere Man Oct/Dec ’65 Beatles We Can Work It Out Oct/Dec ’65 Beatles My Generation Oct/Nov ’65 Who The Good’s Gone ?/Dec ’65 Who The Ox ?/Dec ’65 Who The Word Nov/Dec ’65 Beatles Girl Nov ‘65/Dec ’65 Beatles Think For Yourself Nov/Dec ’65 Beatles He Was A Friend Of Mine Nov/Dec ’65 Byrds Pet Sounds Nov ‘65/May ’66 Beach Boys It’s No Secret Dec ‘65/Sept 66 Jefferson Airplane High Flyin’ http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56103 - Dec ‘65/? Jefferson Airplane Seal of the http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56103&PN=2 - ?/? ’65 Robbie Basho The Voice of the Turtle ?/? ’65 (68?) John Fahey Shapes of Things ‘65/Feb ’66 Yardbirds A Few Dollars More ?/? ’65 Ennio Morricone A&M sessions ?/? ’65 (’66?) Captain Beefheart Eric Dolphy - Out to Lunch, Skatellites Gottfried Michael Koenig "PROJECT 1" Graham Bond Georgie Fame Alan Price Zoot Money Alan Price Sun Ra Friday On My Mind (1966) The Easybeats Dave Berry and "The crying game" Twinkle w/ "Terry" The Beau Brummels Laugh Laugh 1959 Tracey Pendarvis and "Thousand guitars" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-paz1hfSc0 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCzjBZABec4&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCzjBZABec4&feature=related |
Posted By: Gorgo Ourgon
Date Posted: April 07 2009 at 09:40
..for Sun Ra check out Angels and Demons at Play (1960)
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Posted By: Einsetumadur
Date Posted: April 16 2009 at 09:15
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Some other probable additions: The Moody Blues - From the Bottom of My Heart (Oct. 64) The Byrds - Eight Miles High RCA Version (Dec. 65, released 1996) Manfred Mann - I Can't Get no Satisfaction (unfortunately, Spring 1966) Manfred Mann - Bare Hugg (Summer 1965) ------------- All in all each man in all men |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 16 2009 at 19:53
love the Ray man surely Brian Wilson has been mentioned in this thread, so I won't bother  |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: April 25 2009 at 09:48
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Wow - no-one's mentioned Graham Bond's Organisation - earliest use of the Mellotron.
Live at Klooks Kleek (1964), The Sound of 65 and There's A Bond Between us surely qualify?
Can't name particular tracks off hand - I'll have to go back and re-listen, but I was certainly struck when I heard them the first time a few years ago. ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 07:27
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Man in a deaf Corner '63/2001 Soft Machine
Dear Olde Benny Green is A-turning in his Grave '63/2001 Daevid Allen Trio
Orientasian '65/2001 Soft Machine
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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: May 23 2009 at 08:48
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Courtesy of Atavachron:
Time Beat b/w Waltz in Orbit 1962 Ray Cathode (Maddalena Fagandini & George Martin)
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Posted By: MichelNeurophile
Date Posted: May 26 2009 at 19:41
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Some milestones : 1887 Claude DeBussy (composer) - Printemps (impressionnism) 1899 Arnold Schoenberg (composer) - Verklarte Nacht (atonality, dodecaphonism, i.e. utilization of the 12 tones equally, instead of mainly the seven usual tones) 1898 to 1907 Charles Ives (composer) - Central Park In The Dark (utilization of polymelody, i.e. many melodies playing at the same time)(Franz Von Biber was using this technique already in the 17th century) 1916 Éric Satie (composer) - Parade (including all kind of noises and repetition) 1923 Edgar Varèse (composer) - Hyperprisme (including siren and frightening sounds) 1924 Pashchenko (composer) - Mystery Symphony for theremin and orchestra (first utilization of the electronical instrument) 1928 Levidi (composer) - Poème Symphonique (first utilization of "les ondes Martenot", an electronical instrument) 1939 John Cage (this suggestion was interesting) - Imaginary Landscape (deformation of sounds)(he also invented the prepared piano) 1947 Les Paul - Brazil (electric guitars and multi-track recording techniques) 1948 Pierre Schaeffer (composer) - Étude Pathétique (using vinyle records to create new sounds) 1949 Pierre Schaeffer & Pierre Henry (composers) - Symphonie pour un homme seul (concrete music, i.e. utilization of concrete objects) 1954 Edgar Varèse - Déserts (completely electronic music) 1959 Miss Toni Fisher - The Big Hurt (a technical incident created a dephasing in the recording and the effect has been kept on the hit record) 1960 Roy Orbison - Lonely And Blue (album)(Roy's compositions were often complex ones, including many movements never repeated, i.e. not in the usual "verse-chorus" form) 1961 Jorgen Ingman - Apache (somes effects sound electronical ones) 1962 The Crystals - Twist Uptown (maybe the first Phil Spector's album using his "wall of sound" technique. A wave of studio producers was created, with Motown records, The Four Seasons (Bob Crewe), etc.) 1964 suggestion for The Dave Clark Five - Glad All Over (with echoes) 1964 december, The Beach Boys - the album "Today" (including dissonance and many sophisticated songs surpassing Phil Spector's techniques) 1965 october, The Beach Boys - The Little Girl I Once Knew (utilization of silence; the 45 single has been boycotted because the DJs didn't know when the song was ending. John Lennon was amazed by this record) Michel Gignac |
Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: May 28 2009 at 03:22
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^excellent suggestions and argumentation, Michel |
Posted By: Captain Capricorn
Date Posted: July 13 2009 at 20:14
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You should definitely consider Babatunde Olatunji's Drums of Passion (1959).
http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/13258-drums-of-passion/ - http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/13258-drums-of-passion/
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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: September 01 2009 at 05:55
'scuse me for ressurrecting this old topic, but I finally got around to Ennio Morricone and wow...
It's pure ELP! listen to
The Indians from Guns don't argue (1964)
Almost Dead; The Result; both from A Fistful of Dollars (1964)
Sixty Seconds to What?; The Showdown; For a few dollars More; all three from For A Few Dollars More (1965)
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: September 17 2009 at 17:57
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The Beach Boys SMILE. Although the sessions didn't progress until 1967. Good Vibrations which was part of the SMILE sessions might have been released in 66' I forget. Smile some say was the answer to SGT. PEPPER. But that could be just a hypish concept. On the original tapes their voices are channeled through phase shifters and the vocals are very errie at times. The section which is known to be the Fire tapes is about 20 minutes long and has a bizzare reminiscence to the way Gentle Giant or King Crimson used tri tones. I know that sounds far fetched to most, but if I were to play the track you may not realize it's the Beach Boys your'e listening to. The Lovin' Spoonful had strange songs. Booker T who was already mentioned and the Ventures. There was a strange ballad back in the 60's titled: EVERYONE'S GONE TO THE MOON. The version I have is by Sara Hickman and it's a very strange sad little song. I am not sure who recorded the original. |