Browser War @ Progarchives.com Jan. 4 - Feb 3 2009
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Topic: Browser War @ Progarchives.com Jan. 4 - Feb 3 2009
Posted By: M@X
Subject: Browser War @ Progarchives.com Jan. 4 - Feb 3 2009
Date Posted: February 04 2009 at 11:24
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: February 04 2009 at 11:25
| Wow, very interesting stats M@X, thanks. Amazing how much market penetration Firefox has achieved... |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: February 04 2009 at 11:32
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Firefox is an absolutely amazing browser. I've been a Mozilla fan since it had a Godzilla logo!
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Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: February 04 2009 at 11:35
Firefox  ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: February 04 2009 at 11:35
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GO FIREFOX!!! I'm actually amazed that Chrome has even 1% (just because it's so new) Cool information, thanks M@X!  |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: February 04 2009 at 11:37
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Used to use Internet Explorer, but when Explorer started focusing their upgrades on Windows XP(and more), I found Firefox, and gees, it was a great improvement! Thanks for the stats Max! |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 04 2009 at 12:04
| I've become a Firefoxer. Adblock rules! |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: February 04 2009 at 12:25
Adblock don't rules for PA 
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: February 04 2009 at 12:47
Browser are like cars. As long as they get you from A to B, they're all the same.
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Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: February 04 2009 at 12:56
It depends how comfortable and secure  - I'm a Firefox fan ...------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Rivertree" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: February 04 2009 at 13:34
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I like Firefox, but like Mickeysoft it's started to become a memory eating b*****d this one too. Have started to use Chrome for some tasks in here now - adding bands and stuff like that. Not inclined to switch over to it completely yet; but for some functions I find it the better choice. ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: February 04 2009 at 13:50
Comparing Internet Explorer to Firefox is like comparing an ice cream truck to a rocket ship.    ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Easy Livin wrote:Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: February 04 2009 at 14:03
How is it possible , I just changed from Explorer to Firefox today, and was wondering if there was a topic on PA about browsers, and there's an active topic started today  . I changed to Firefox because I just found out it runs much faster on my pc. Maybe that would change if I'd use a lot of add-ons 
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: February 04 2009 at 14:18
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Too many people are still using IE. Firefox FTW!
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 04 2009 at 14:33
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Firefox all the way!
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 04 2009 at 14:34
I'm sorry, I meant to say I love Firefox but would never ever consider using an ad block. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: February 04 2009 at 18:40
being one of those that just clicks "Yes" to all updates and upgrades for Firefox, can i get some advice as to what I should get rid of in its' "toolbox ? I increased my memory by 1.5 , then bought the new Sid Meier's Civ IV, only to find out that this new version (versus the Civ III that I had and enjoyed more) maxed out my computer's new space  . ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: February 04 2009 at 19:49
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^wow man! That game rules! My bro was a great player of it, nice to see the game flowing through PA. Sorry for the off topic... |
Posted By: cobb2
Date Posted: February 04 2009 at 19:57
Unless of course it uses activeX and allows all those silent installers to do their thing!
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: February 05 2009 at 01:33
| ActiveX is bad. If you get an email with a virus code, ActiveX will automatically run it and your computer will get infected... |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: February 05 2009 at 02:12
Adblock makes the ads disappear ... I don't think that it's bad for your website commercially, because those who use it would probably never click the ads anyway. I wouldn't ...  ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Passionist
Date Posted: February 05 2009 at 02:25
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I've been using Opera as long as I can remember. It's got the best abilities. Especially what I don't like about Firefox is that there's no one-button shortcut to new tabs. So every tab must be opened separately. and I hate it when a browser opens new sites in new windows, whenn they could all be on the same window. Just clutters up the screen. Anyway, Opera has become really REALLY slow. It takes up 90% of my memory while loading a Java application. Other than that it's the best in every way. It lacks the support from programs like SpywareBlaster, but there is no need for such. Basically only because Opera still is so unknown, they just donät make browser-related viruses for it. At least I haven't got any. Recommended. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: February 05 2009 at 04:14
I second this!!
 M@, you oughta see some of the sh*tty adds on your site!!! There is one asking me if I like Shakira? And I can't even answer only in my bed
 , so WTF is it usefull??? >> and that's the music-related adds, never mind the other scandalous "job offers" or other traps you let them put on your site.I suggest you browse you site without all of your "protection" once in a while, just to see the site normally and how it is for web newbies.
As for myself at work, I still use IE (out of habit , but it's also what's proposed by our server) and at home I'm trying out more Mozilla ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: February 05 2009 at 07:09
I used to use Firefox, but when I upgraded to IE7 I found it to be just as fast or faster; go figure. Bottom line is we're all still here. ------------- 
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: February 05 2009 at 07:12
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^ Was that Firefox 2? If so, you should give Firefox 3 a try ... it's much faster than either Firefox 2 or IE7.
------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: February 05 2009 at 07:24
Firefox runs slower but has more stuff you can implement on it. Maybe the most important this is that IE is not as safe. Just one or two months ago Microsoft had released a warning for all user, asking everyone to quit using IE for a while and change it with another browser, until a serious security threat gets resolved. |
Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: February 05 2009 at 08:16
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Dude, I just installed Chrome. It's weird I like it though. Pretty darn fast. ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: February 05 2009 at 08:21
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I'm currently using Firefox 3.1 Beta 2 ... it's really fast, especially on "web 2.0" sites which make heavy use of scripting. And all that with Adblock and Noscript installed, two plugins which actively check and rewrite all the scripts for safety reasons.
------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: February 05 2009 at 08:32
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I use Mozilla Firefox exclusively. However I have experienced a few weird errors recently and I don't know why... one site just shows as HTML code whilst in IE7 it works fine. I shall try and update it to a newer version and see if that works. I'm using 3.0.5 at the moment. And Passionist, I'm pretty sure you can download an applet that allows you start a new tab from the main screen. Besides, it's being lazy doing it that way. -------------   
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: February 05 2009 at 08:58
| 3.1 is currently still beta ... if you're not the adventurous type I'd recommend sticking with 3.0.5 for the time being. As far as that one website is concerned ... maybe it's broken (bad html), but for some reason IE7 is able to display it. |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: February 05 2009 at 09:04
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Wow, that's interesting! I agree with Pat that I'm surprised just HOW much Firefox has managed to grab by now. That's a good thing though. ------------- 
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Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: February 05 2009 at 10:44
Ads Views generates revenues for PA, not only Ad clicks ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: February 05 2009 at 10:47
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^ Still, I don't want to view the Shakira ads. I know that you rely on those ads, but I honestly think that especially on this site the ads are a bit too aggressive and off topic. |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: February 05 2009 at 11:03
It's like any website out there which relies on advertising; personally, I just ignore them & give thanks they allow the site to continue  -------------
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: February 05 2009 at 11:06
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I think that any non profit website should simply try not to depend on advertising revenue ... today servers and network bandwidth are relatively cheap, maybe changing the ISP would help.
------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: February 05 2009 at 11:19
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^ PA needs 3 servers as now: 1. MP3 Streaming + Mailing + Backups (source) 2. Web (site and forum) 3. Databases SQL dedicated, over 2GB of data files Because of the high demand we cannot go lesser than this setup. I've tried it in the past and the loading times of pages are very bad. For the MP3 we need a 'unlimited' and 'unmetered' 10 mbps dedicated server because of the legal rights of files hosted. For the WWW and SQL server the configuration requires Multi Cores, RAM loaded and RAID 5 (for reliability) servers. Try to help me find a cheap ISP with that setup , please. Or do you have recommendations about the setup ? I am listening...  ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: February 05 2009 at 11:40
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I can recommend http://www.hetzner.de/hosting/produktmatrix/en-rootserver-produktmatrix/ - Hetzner , but of course it might be useless to you since it's located in Germany. I agree that it's probably a good idea to have the audio files on a separate server, I think that something like a 8 GB quad core server would be able to handle both web server and the database. I might be wrong of course, since I don't know how much traffic we're talking about. |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: February 05 2009 at 12:00
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Are the banner ads really that bad anyways? They take up about 100 pixels at the top of the page. That's it.
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: February 05 2009 at 13:17
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 05 2009 at 17:57
What he meant to say is that he would never even think of using an ad block and loves the ads very much. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: February 06 2009 at 10:15
She is a superb looking dame, though!!!
Wow, that's twice I agree with Mike!!
 Really mailto:M@X - M@X , they are sometimes very tacky as well.
I mean "Customize your Zwinky"
, "Find Your Ukraine Date" , "Find Your Love Match" Ya gotta be kidding, here
  !!!!!!!------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 06 2009 at 10:27
Oh wait, now I never should have used or not really actually used an ad blocker. Wish there were more music related ad buyers even if not prog or officially prog. Some have been particularly annoying particularly if they inject sound. |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: February 06 2009 at 10:44
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Thanks ProgFreak, i'll have a look into your web host in Germany and let you know my comments. About the un-related ads, i just re-check and the network i use for non-us,non-uk,non-canada traffic delivers thoses unrelated ads, i'll try to remove them. Thanks for reporting ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: February 06 2009 at 10:45
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^^^ I don't mind listening to Shakira (at work, in a restaurant/club etc), let alone watching/viewing pictures of her. Just not on a prog website ... it's kind of distracting. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: February 06 2009 at 10:48
It's probably not suitable for you - they also specialize in Linux, and you'll need Windows for ASP and SQL Server - but it might be interesting to compare the specs and pricing.
I guess you're torn between showing many unrelated ads (generating revenue from ad views) or few, but highly related ads (generating revenue from ad clicks). ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 06 2009 at 11:45
Shhhh. |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: February 06 2009 at 11:48
They don't offer Windows dedicated servers ;-( Anyway, it now cost almost 1000$ US/month to host Progarchives.com, the forum and the mp3 streaming server. Sounds like ads are here to stay, or we become a private website and ask for a membership fee ! Other suggestions ? ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: February 06 2009 at 13:09
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I've removed the ads from the ValueClick networks for non-us (uk+canada) visitors so that Google do the delivers. It's suppose to be more related, please report and comments here. Thanks ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 06 2009 at 15:34
If the ads pay the dues then we should just keep quiet about you know what. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: cobb2
Date Posted: February 06 2009 at 16:11
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$1000/month seems very expensive. I have just been searching for some moodle hosting and found the American companies to be the cheapest. But, I suppose with 3 servers and the amount of bandwidth needed... Keep the ads- who takes any real notice of them anyway? If that's what it takes to keep the site going I'm sure nodoby has any real complaints.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: February 06 2009 at 17:54
Must've worked mailto:M@X - M@X !!
Now I get a "Find You newest Viet Beauty", and other" Dress your manga heroes" and the hideous Bite Fight game adds
Butythe Shakira add has disppeared
  I mean I accept the Muziek Metropool in Antwerp adds or the grind-metal T-shirt (shiroi niko) site adds, but the ones like I mentioned above......
Thanks for trying... ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: February 06 2009 at 23:17
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I use IE because I'm lazy. Suck it, future browsers. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: February 07 2009 at 03:03
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Going through the active users list, I laugh every time I see people still using IE 5/6 and Firefox 1 and 2. I mean, seriously, do they not know updated versions exist? I update my browser as soon as each update comes and unlike the poor sodding ancient IE version users, I use IE 8 as a backup when Firefox doesn't work or when Firefox decides to be retarded and not let myspace work properly. I do enjoy the Firefox 3.0.6 experience more than IE 8, but both are good browsers really, and IE 8 is vastly improved over the older versions and much quicker too so it's quite handy to use when Firefox quits on me which for some reason it decides it must do every few weeks for 24 hours periods at a time UPDATE YOUR DAMN BROWSERS PEOPLE, NEWER VERSIONS EXIST. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: February 07 2009 at 04:43
I use the IE8 I installed last fall
As for Mozilla it's also installed (forget which version), but I'm lazy and don't like new things. It's a uestion of habits.
------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: February 07 2009 at 08:36
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I use Firefox with Adblock and NoScript installed and view the PA website clean of any ads. I don't like ads 'cos they spoil the experience for me. Personally, I'd prefer to pay a membership fee.
------------- "Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent." Charles Bukowski |
Posted By: bov
Date Posted: February 10 2009 at 00:48
| I expected lower numbers for Internet Explorer... Straighten up, proggers! |
Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: February 10 2009 at 00:51
Hey now, give them a break. After all, they're all still living in the 70s. They'll catch up to the brilliance of Firefox in 30 years or so. |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: February 10 2009 at 00:56
Hahaha, IE 5 and Firefox 1, I never noticed that before. How old a computer do you have to be on to have to run IE 5? ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: February 10 2009 at 01:05
I can has virusburger? |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 10 2009 at 07:03
Shhh, we should not be talking about you know what. Actually though, I don't know if this thing could be set up as free with ads or pay a little for none and maybe some bonus features, but I would consider it as I do enjoy hanging out here. Of course at this point that thing of which we shall not speak kind of makes it moot. And implementation at this point in the game would certainly prove difficult. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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