Why Grobschnitt isn't consider the best band ever?
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Topic: Why Grobschnitt isn't consider the best band ever?
Posted By: Grobsch
Subject: Why Grobschnitt isn't consider the best band ever?
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 06:52
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For me Grobschnitt is at least one of the ten best bands of all time... but they are not in most lists... WHY? They are the best in live concerts... they are great musicians... they have an unique sound... they have a huge discography... they were one of the most famous Germany band during 70's... Why Grobschnitt isn't consider the best band ever? Which is the main reason why Grobschnitt isn't consider the best band?  ------------- My Webpages: http://www.goblinx.com.br/en - http://www.goblinx.com.br/en http://grobsch.deviantart.com - http://grobsch.deviantart.com |
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 07:12
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hahahha.. .we have this conversation in the Palazzo RPI all the time. the obvious answer is the correct one... they weren't English ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 07:27
For all those characteristics you enumerate in your first post you will find other german bands too, that's the problem Grobsch - why not Embryo for example.  BTW - Grobschnitt of course has been an excellent live band - 'This is solar music' - I could enjoy them in the 70s - it was really great.  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Rivertree" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 07:54
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Other reason, I don't think they are unique. Just one more good band. ------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 08:08
Because they are not famous? I dunno.... ------------- 
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 08:33
Let me guess...duh, because they're not Brazilians?   ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 09:02
Because Henry Cow exists? 
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Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 09:05
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I've always wanted to ask the same question about Kenso, whom I revere. THEIR problem must be that they aren't from Belgium!
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 09:52
Best answer possible. ------------- 
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NaturalScience wrote:Posted By: omri
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 11:18
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I have only one Grobschnit album so I may be wrong but from what I've heared they aren't even the best German band (For me it's a close race between Can and Amon duul II). ------------- omri |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 12:08
| Because they have a silly name. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 12:13
ahhh... that must be the answer hahaha explains why no one considers any of the RPI groups in the 'best ever'. I just thought it was just the usual pro-English prog bias.. but now that you mention it. It is hard to take bands that sound like dishes at the Olive Garden seriously I guess ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 12:21
How can Grobschnitt be the best band ever, if they've sold out worse than Genesis and Yes did after the 70s? 
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 12:23
valid point my son. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 12:42
Is that even possible? |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 12:47
hahahha.. expand your mind brother... listen to The New Trolls 80's style... in the words of the lovely Raffaella.. makes 80's Genesis sound like Black Sabbath ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 13:05
 That's hilarious. -------------
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Posted By: Grobsch
Date Posted: December 29 2008 at 03:32
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Being the best is not about being the best, is about perception... I think the main reason is because they are not british... Grobschnitt, PFM, Eloy, Novalis, Rush and some other famous and great bands out of England will never be consider the best by the press... but why we can't consider? Being from Germany changes our taste? What I'm saying is: only Pink Floyd is famous... maybe Rush, too. Fame is not stopping Grobschnitt, or Henry Cow, or Novalis, or Magma, or Can to be consider the best band... or one of the best band... Age, too... or we will not have so many young people here and those bands like Porcupine Tree and Dream Theater consider the best... So, till now most are saying, if you are from Great Britain and a young boy likes porcupine Tree, he will try listen to you and it's possible he will consider your band the best, but if you are from Italy or Germany... ------------- My Webpages: http://www.goblinx.com.br/en - http://www.goblinx.com.br/en http://grobsch.deviantart.com - http://grobsch.deviantart.com |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: December 29 2008 at 03:49
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Posted By: Grobsch
Date Posted: December 29 2008 at 04:12
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BTW, three fans have included Grobschnitt in the top ten list here: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51513 The Grobschnitt page here start with: "Formed in 1970 the band existed till 1989, GROBSCHNITT (which translates to ROUGH CUT) was the best German band from the mid-Seventies (ELOY were then in a more PINK FLOYD... and ambient style)" Solar music Live is getting a 4,52 in 57 ratings... ------------- My Webpages: http://www.goblinx.com.br/en - http://www.goblinx.com.br/en http://grobsch.deviantart.com - http://grobsch.deviantart.com |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: December 29 2008 at 04:33
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I saw them in '78. I was only 16 years old on high school band trip to Europe. The concert was even a bigger trip than the band trip. I have everything they ever recorded including EROC's solo stuff. Plus most of the remasters EROC has been involved with. This band was one of the most unusual bands in the history of rock music. Unlike other German bands I don't think they ever performed outside of what was West germany at the time. they have often been compared to Guru Guru because of their bizarre hunourous aspect. Not a fair comparison because that's all they had in common. I've even heard them being compared to Hoelderlin who had folkier roots. One thing most German rock bands from the seventies DID have in common was a flair to be bizarre which is a quality that isolated them from UK prog rock bands and american audienced who were weaned on commercialism. especially in the early stages of the seventies the German bands dictated to the record companies what was in. Up until about 1975 they ( the bands ) told the record companies what kind of music they were going to play or else the record companies weren't going to remain record companies. the sadness sunk in as far as the bands were concerned around this time and many went by the wayside and entered into the where are they now file and others conformed or just happened by chance to conform and survived. A good examle of this is Amon Duul II who really started to go commercial on the Hijack album. Another thing the german bands suffered from was what I call the Kraurock syndrome. if you were from Germany in the early seventies you were automatically labelled Krautrock no matter what the freak kind of music you played. In Germany it was known a Kosmische music and often associated with illicit drugs.
Back to Grobschnitt. sorry for going off on a kilter there. My favourite grobschnitt album has to be the first one. the track Wonderful Music ( like Focus' House Of The King ) is often mistaken for a Jethro Tull track because of the flute playing and the fact that the bands from the continet were overshadowed by UK prog bands that had heavy hitting financial power of the record companies who also has susiduaries in the US. sorry back to our german friends. I own an original copy of the first grobschnitt album which I no longer play since I saw the ludicrous prices it commands over the internet. my copy ain't for sale nor will it ever be. it is one of the most prized records in my collection. I just love sitting with it in my hands when i listen to the CD remaster with the extended live bonus track of Die Symphonie. on thing i really love about the band is their adamant opposition to commercialism. They didn't really like the Village people Did they? ACYM ? On a last note i don't think language was an issue with any of the German bands. it was just more comfortable for them to sing rock songs in English. I read an old interview with renate Kanup and she sort of mentioned something to this effect. I'll have to try and dig it out and post it.
Grobschnitt one of my favourite bands of all time. maybe it's time for another review. ------------- |
Posted By: omri
Date Posted: December 29 2008 at 10:15
Since I discovered from your post that you are 2 years older than me I'll be more polite than I ment to be.
It is true that I do not know enough of German prog. Being an Israeli did not give me many opportunities to be exposed to german music for reasons you can easily guess. However in the last years I have collected quite a few albums of german bands and not very long ago I was one of those who claimed German prog to be better than Itallian (I think Rafaella didn't forgive me till now) mainly for being much more versatile (as you wrote - under the tem Krautrock there's many different kinds of music). When I look at my German small but quite impressive collection I do not feel a shame of what I were able to get. Amon duul II, Can,Eloy, Faust, Grobschnit, Haggard, Jane, Neu, Popol vuh, RPWL, Tangerine dream and Yahta sidhra - most of these are quite popular on my CD player. I know there's much more out there (from what I read here in PA Guru guru and Embryo should be added for a start) but I feel that I can say that the first 2 in my humboldt list are the ones that impressed me most.
However if you have some other suggestions I will be greatful (not dead). ------------- omri |
Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: December 29 2008 at 10:41
I think not only Rafaella (a pure angel, if you don't believe me, ask Micky ), no one will ever forgive you.You listed lots of German bands and did not mention NOVALIS, so "I dub thee unforgiven". Though don't take it seriously, it's only a joke .------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 05:54
 . At this point i just let it go. if anyone wants to steal it. Go ahead. rip it off the more people who know about Guru Guru the better.
As far as other german bands go here's some suggestions but I'm not sure of the availability of the recordings. you'll have to search the net.
Dies Irae
( I also wrote their bio here on PA ) A one album wonder ( but i have few rare bootlegs
) a real freak band. take my word for it don't listen to this music on a bad acid trip because it will just get too weird. the name of their only legal album is called simply " First " ( i have an original pressing worth $$$). It was on the PILZ label and i think it becomes periodically available on CD. when it does become available it sells fast so be quick. for some reason many critics in the early seventies compared them to the first Black sabbath self titled album. i disagree with many of these criticisms. Some of their stuff is heavy blues but they are a creature al by themselves.if you can find it the only other legal album their music can be heard on is Heavy Christmas where they play a wicked cover version of Stille Nacht ( silent night ). there's another extremely rare CD called Saarock Live. if you want to check them out i provided a link to their myspace page when i was working on their entry here on PA. that should give you all the leads you need.
Sperrmull (1973 )
I've got their bio completed but just have to get the time to submit it here on PA. What you will read right now is not really a bio. the band recorded only one LP for the green brain label. ( and I can't remember where i got mine ) . extremely rare album in it's original form worth $$$$$ but has been rerleased on CD from time to time but sells like hotcakes straight from the oven. Fortunately I speak german, the band's name spermull can be roughly translated to commercial garbage dump. They sing in english and if there has to be any comparisons there are none. I f you can get a hold of an original pressing there's extensive liner notes. I think you can hear them on youtube. but make sure you punch in spermull german band No Freakout. because otherwise you'll just get a bunch of videos about german garbage dumps. Love this band
German Oak
this is NOT a neo nazi band as they have been percieved as. I think there's a section here on PA. i'll let you explore these guys on your own.
Neconimicon
Even rarer than the Beatles' butcher album. Heavily political along the lines of the original Amon Duul or Floh de Cologne arriving a bit too late. If you can find an original presing of this baby i'll pay whatever you want for it. artwork is insane. i've NEVER heard of an orignal copy of this album ever being offered for sale anywhere!!! translated into English it means How to Commit Suicide. Tips Zum Selbsmord is the actual title and they are represented here on PA. If you're into loud freaked out guitars go for this one and don't worry about the German lyrics. they're actually kind of cheesy. They can sound like early black sabbath sometimes. they can often be mistaken for other bands with the same name so go to their section here on PA so as to be sure.
I hope that i've been of some help i'm a bit pressed for time right now but feel free to PM me if you 9 or anyone else on the site ) wants help on German bands. I am a virtual encyclopedia.
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 06:00
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sorry, if you also go to my reviews section i've reviewed all these albums. with love. ------------- |
Posted By: Grobsch
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 09:37
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I saw them in '78. I was only 16 years old on high school band trip to Europe." I'm jealous!!! What make a band deserves to be top? Grobschnitt has the best live album ever (Solar Music), one of the best double record ever (Ballermann), one of the best symphonic album (Rockpommel's Land), a long career, five fantastic musicians... and much more... German bands are fantastic... "Amon duul II, Can, Eloy, Faust, Grobschnit, Haggard, Jane, Neu, Popol vuh, RPWL, Tangerine dream and Yahta sidhra" Omri add to your list to try listen to: Wallenstein, Anyone's Daughter, Mythos, Hoelderlin, Nektar... ------------- My Webpages: http://www.goblinx.com.br/en - http://www.goblinx.com.br/en http://grobsch.deviantart.com - http://grobsch.deviantart.com |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 22:51
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my SONS you are seeing light. you are seeing light. my apprentices you must listen to Pell Mell. you must listen to this my GERMAN SONS I implore you :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DafaOH4uEzs - www.youtube.com/watch?v=DafaOH4uEzs
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 23:46
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Apparently I can't vote in this poll, but in my case I have never heard Grobschnitt, and I had never heard of them until seeing their name mentioned here on PA, but I do really like The Scorpions. ------------- 
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: December 31 2008 at 00:58
AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! call the ambulance for this guy. A bit about the Scorpions. they actually started out as prog rock band if you can believe that  . they got into a bit of trouble with a couple of their record covers as well including one which was produced by Hipgnosis. I met and spoke with singer Klaus Meiner on a couple of occasions and asked him about the problems with the covers and was adamant that it wasn't the band's fault at all. I wish i had more time here because I can talk for hours about these wunderbar german bands. Another bitt of trivia about the Scorpions. a band from Hungary called Omega was largely responsible for the success of the Scorpions. And all the guys in the band aknowlege that to this day. Omega are here on PA by the way if you want to check 'em out. the Scorpions opened for Omega in the early seventies in and around Europe. They also performed together in the 90s as well. the Scorpions also did an atrocious cover version of Omega's biggest hit from '69 with different English lyrics but I kind of like it myself. watch this great video and think:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXUifcAh83E - www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXUifcAh83E ------------- |
Posted By: Grobsch
Date Posted: December 31 2008 at 04:27
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"you must listen to Pell Mell" Yess.. I forgot Pell Mell!! rushfan4, you must try at least Solar Music Live... ------------- My Webpages: http://www.goblinx.com.br/en - http://www.goblinx.com.br/en http://grobsch.deviantart.com - http://grobsch.deviantart.com |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: December 31 2008 at 05:13
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I can't imagine going through life without that album. There are also another slew of them. all different versions. they're here on PA just go to Grobschnitt's section. I think there are also some snippets of the live show on youtube. if i remember correctly the show I saw lasted about 4 hours including the 50 minute version of Solar Music. they also did most of Rockpommel's Land and some stuff off the Merry Go Round album. Has to be one of the wildest shows I ever saw in my life. there's also a few DVDs available of various Solar Music performances. ------------- |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: December 31 2008 at 05:32
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I forgot that I added two videos to the Grobschnitt section. One is the end section of Solar Music from the actual performance on the original 1978 album. ------------- |
Posted By: Grobsch
Date Posted: December 31 2008 at 05:33
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"if i remember correctly the show I saw lasted about 4 hours including
the 50 minute version of Solar Music. they also did most of
Rockpommel's Land and some stuff off the Merry Go Round album." WOW!!! I never had this opportunity... I'm glad I could see here in Brazil some of my favourites bands such as Banco, PFM, Le Orme, Camel, Rush, Nektar and others... but Grobschnitt never.... ------------- My Webpages: http://www.goblinx.com.br/en - http://www.goblinx.com.br/en http://grobsch.deviantart.com - http://grobsch.deviantart.com |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: December 31 2008 at 05:44
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Wow.Didn't realize all those bands played in Brazil. As I said Grobschnitt never played outside of Germany. ------------- |
Posted By: Grobsch
Date Posted: December 31 2008 at 05:59
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Yes... Banco and PFM made fantastic performances here... We have an annual progressive festival here and some of these bands played in this festival... Perhaps not playing outside Germany is the reason why Grobschnitt is not famous... ------------- My Webpages: http://www.goblinx.com.br/en - http://www.goblinx.com.br/en http://grobsch.deviantart.com - http://grobsch.deviantart.com |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: December 31 2008 at 08:56
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I will check out the streaming tracks here on PA. I am at least intrigued. I had never heard of Nektar until I started bouncing around here on PA and now I absolutely love them. With my subscription at eMusic I was able to legally download almost all of Nektar's albums and I find them to be quite spectacular. Emusic does have Grobschnitt's The International Story available for download. It has the following playlist:
1. Die Sinfonie (Live 1973) (17:59)
2. Nickelodeon (Live 1974) (7:56) 3. - 11. Solar Music (Live 1978) (57:03) CD 2 - 78:59 1. Ernies Reise (Live 1977) (10:56) 2. Severity Town (alt. Mix 1977) (10:03) 3. Rockpommel´s Land Finale (Live 1977) (6:06) 4. Du schaffst das nicht (Live 1981) (9:19) 5. Simple Dimple (Live 1980) (5:06) 6. Silent Movie (Live 1981) (3:35) 7. Raintime (Live 1981) (4:37) 8. Vater Schmidts Wandertag (Live 1981) (10:10) 9. Private Solar Excursion (1981) (8:52) 10. Magic Train (Live 1973) (10:15) – previously unreleased It appears to have the entirety of Solar Music live on that, so that sounds like a great way to use my downloads this month. -------------
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Posted By: omri
Date Posted: December 31 2008 at 12:06
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Thanks a lot to all of you who spared the time to recommend other bands.
There are few comments I'd like to add :
1. I ordered "solar music live" and hopefully I will have it soon. I have Rockpomala's land.
2. I actually heared Novalis and for some reason I were not that impressed. Maybe heared the wrong album.
3. The scorpions were quite popular in Israel at the time but most of it was cheasy rock ballads and the rest plain metal so I never bothered.
4. All the recommendations from vibrationbaby are very interesting but are very rare albums. It means that my quite humboldt collection (and humboldt it is) do cover most of the main krautrock bands isn't it ?
5. I know it's a matter of taste but except the claim for Novalis nobody here wrote a word for or against my claim of ADII and Can as the best krautrock bands. I wonder why !
Anyway I'm glad that as a consequence of my post this thread became very interesting and usefull (at least for me). ------------- omri |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: December 31 2008 at 12:08
| I'll bite on this a little bit: what sets Grobschnitt apart from the other major krautrock acts? |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: December 31 2008 at 21:19
Some people just can't pronounce Grobshnitt without spraying their friends. 
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Posted By: Grobsch
Date Posted: January 01 2009 at 04:25
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Grobschnitt isn't pure Krautrock... it mixes kraut, space rock, symphonic and experimental... They are less electronic and their shows are fantastic... I think Grobschnitt brought more to space rock than most of the bands because this mix of styles... There are dozen bands in Germany with this style, a mix of Kraut and space, bands like Eloy, Wallenstein, Mythos, Novalis and others are as important as the Krautrock bands lile Amon Duul II... rushfan4, The International Story is very nice, but the best Solar Music version still is Solar Music Live... omri, I like more the space rock bands from Germany but I like a lot Amon Duul II... Amon Duul II is for me the best pure Kraut band together with Faust, but between the pure Kraut like Faust and the space rock bands like Wallenstein, Grobschnitt and Eloy, I prefer the second time... they just fit better my music taste... I like more Pink Floyd than King Crimson, for example... ------------- My Webpages: http://www.goblinx.com.br/en - http://www.goblinx.com.br/en http://grobsch.deviantart.com - http://grobsch.deviantart.com |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 02 2009 at 00:10
mickleodeon... I don't mean to embarrass you publicly...but you've got some grobschnitt hanging from your nose....
And sorry to bring this up, but did I ever tell you what the name "vompatti" makes me think of? No?
 Eat a hamburger patty. Regurgitate it. Now barbecue it again...
 Sorry, I know I'm sick, but every freakin' time I read that name, Vomitis old boy (can I call you Vommie?), I feel a wee bit queasy!
PS: I LOVED your "awkward hands/hippy girl/aliens at the concert" story, Vommitty! Tres funny!  ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: January 02 2009 at 09:29
| how about anyone's daughter...they are one of my faves from Germany and they produced 4 great studio albums at a difficult time (1979-1982). I also give Eloy a lot of credit for not selling out and being great until 1982 (Time to Turn). I'm not as into krautrock per se, but Grobschnitt is one of many German bands I like, among them Pell Mell, Novalis, Ramses, Rousseau, Dice, Rebekka, Ougenweide, Hoelderlin, Amenophis, Carol of Harvest, Epidaurus, Jane, Minotaurus, Zomby Woof, Troya, P'Cock, |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: January 02 2009 at 09:50
Post of the year (so far).
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 02 2009 at 10:27
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Because most of us out here don't know Grobschnitt from Shinola. I have to include myself there. A little fan promotion never hurts, though. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 02 2009 at 10:43
 We have many models to choose from, sir!From the basic, affordable (and "green") time-honoured, hand-driven "acoustic" Oriental models:
 To more elaborate, electrical Western versions:
   Mind your fingers sir!Seriously though, I don't do "best band in the world," but the fact that I've never heard Grobbschnitt might have something to do with my lack of an opinion (let alone lack of regard) for them.
I will listen to some samples here, just to please the puzzled pollster, though!  ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 02 2009 at 12:52
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I think Peter may have been partaking a little too much of my sense of humor.
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Posted By: Grobsch
Date Posted: January 02 2009 at 15:55
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"Seriously though, I don't do "best band in the world," but the fact that I've never heard Grobbschnitt might have something to do with my lack of an opinion (let alone lack of regard) for them." I don't understand the humor... but I believe who says never heard before about Grobschnitt is joking... Peter, you have a Nektar cover as avatar... how can you never heard before about Grobschnitt?? It's a joke?? As I said before, Grobschnitt is one of the best band ever... Solar Music Live is a perfect album... If you - reader - never heard before about Grobschnitt... hurry to find something to listen to... If you are a symphonic fan, starts with Rockpommel's Land.. if you are a space rock fan, starts with Symphony... ------------- My Webpages: http://www.goblinx.com.br/en - http://www.goblinx.com.br/en http://grobsch.deviantart.com - http://grobsch.deviantart.com |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 02 2009 at 18:23
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Hey now, I'm an old Nektar fan and I've still never heard of Grobshnitt until you brought it up. Does sound like a band I should check out though. Thanks for bringing them to my attention. I'm afraid someone else has brought Umphrey's McGee to my attention, and I think I'll be checking them out a little first. Look, there's more prog music out there than any one single human being can grasp, except for perhaps Sean Trane and Zowie Ziggie. Oooh, looks like they caught a case of commercialitis in the '80's. Which album should I try first as a Nektar fan? ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: January 02 2009 at 18:42
I've never thought of this before, but now that you mentioned it... I wonder how many people here have vomited because of me?  Oh, and thanks for liking the story. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 02 2009 at 18:45
Well, I can't say you've made me vomit, it's just a good thing I wasn't gulping down a soda while I've been reading some of your posts. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Grobsch
Date Posted: January 03 2009 at 03:21
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"Oooh, looks like they caught a case of commercialitis in the '80's. Which album should I try first as a Nektar fan?" I like Nektar... a 'Tab in the Ocean' and 'Recycled' are my favorites... I think the best is start with the first album... Symphony is GREAT!! (http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=2864)... I really do not know before start this post how little recognition Grobschnitt has... here in Brazil all my progressive friends - and even other people - just love the band... Solar Music Live plays in almost all reunion we do here... ------------- My Webpages: http://www.goblinx.com.br/en - http://www.goblinx.com.br/en http://grobsch.deviantart.com - http://grobsch.deviantart.com |
Posted By: Grobsch
Date Posted: January 03 2009 at 09:27
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Solar Music Live is third of the TOP Live Albums of All-Time here in PA only behind Made In Japan (Deep Purple) and Playing the Fool (Gentle Giant)... http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?salbumtypes=4#list ------------- My Webpages: http://www.goblinx.com.br/en - http://www.goblinx.com.br/en http://grobsch.deviantart.com - http://grobsch.deviantart.com |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 03 2009 at 15:55
I've got a good question for you, I think, who else do you listen to and like that isn't in the same vein as Grobschnitt?------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: January 03 2009 at 16:22
Four years ago, even before I joined PA, I met an excited "Grobsch" in a PFM gig...
but going years before it, I remember "Grobsch" saying that Genesis were the most influential band in the prog scenario. EDIT: "Grobsch" = Flavio, also an engineer and a long time personal fellow which I found by chance here.  ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Dr. Occulator
Date Posted: January 03 2009 at 17:30
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OMG I've been away from the PA site for a couple of weeks but I have to say upon my return this thread was one of the most entertaining ones I've read for some time. It's so good to read all the warped senses of humor on this site. So go Grobby Grobby Grobschnitt. Why aren't they the best band ever? My answer: Because they aren't. hahahahhahaha Happy New Year to all. ------------- My Doc Told Me I Have Doggie Head. |
Posted By: Grobsch
Date Posted: January 04 2009 at 05:44
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"
I've got a good question for you, I think, who else do you listen to and like that isn't in the same vein as Grobschnitt?" I could say the R.I.O and Zeuhl bands like Magma, Samla Mammas Manna... but I like everything from progressive rock except those NeoPop bands and prog metal... I like a lot italian progressive... Banco, PFM and Le Orme are in my top ten... as Eloy, Genesis and Pink Floyd... YESS!! Atkingani... that PFM show was GREAT!! I prefer less vocal as possible and I believe there is no progressive without a good drummer... I don't like saxophone, trumpets and other instruments... I don't like bands with pop taste... I don't like Neo Progressive... Grobschnitt, Genesis, Pink Floyd, PFM, Banco, Eloy and Le Orme are my top bands... but I listen to several experimental rock bands like Acid Mothers Temple and others... and I like Krautrock... so, I like more craziness than pop... "OMG I've been away from the PA site for a couple of weeks but I have to say upon my return this thread was one of the most entertaining ones I've read for some time." It's good some humor and at least more people have the change to meet (know) Grobschnitt here... ------------- My Webpages: http://www.goblinx.com.br/en - http://www.goblinx.com.br/en http://grobsch.deviantart.com - http://grobsch.deviantart.com |
Posted By: omri
Date Posted: January 04 2009 at 12:14
O.K. now I see the difference between us. I adore Pink floyd but King crimson is the band I love most. I can see it also explains why I prefer ADII and Can and you prefer Eloy and Grobschnit (I must say the Eloy albums I have are realy great but still I love the former even more). ------------- omri |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 04 2009 at 14:07
Hmm, I am familiar with about half of those you mentioned. The joy of discovery keeps me a prog fan.  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Grobsch
Date Posted: January 04 2009 at 14:21
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I like King Crimson, but I like much more Pink Floyd, Gentle Giant, Camel and Genesis... but I could like more KC if they didn't give a job to Mel Collins... It's impossible for me like Red... In my list of favorites bands you will find very few with saxophone... but KC and Grobschnitt has something in common, two fantastic drummers... Eroc and Bill Bruford... K=°] ------------- My Webpages: http://www.goblinx.com.br/en - http://www.goblinx.com.br/en http://grobsch.deviantart.com - http://grobsch.deviantart.com |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 04 2009 at 14:51
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Hey another question....Why can't I vote in this poll?
I'm sure i never voted here.
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: January 04 2009 at 14:58
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I am a big fan of Krautrock; it is one of my favourite genres, if not THE favourite genre. I am too young to have seen Grobschnitt live in their heyday, but from what my brother (who is ten years older than I am) tells me it must have been quite an experience. The concerts were over four hours long, and they had an incredible stage show. "Solar Music Live" captures their live quality quite well, although of course the visual aspect of their concerts gets lost on CD. Their studio albums, however, don't quite manage to capture their anarchic live presence and are generally a bit too conventional for my taste; the sticker "symphonic prog" fits them quite well, although this symphonic prog is certainly interspersed with a lot of humour. Other Krautrock bands (Can, Amon Düül 2, Guru Guru, Embryo, to name just a few of those with the most prolific output) are much more unconventional in their approach to music. The first three albums of Grobschnitt are their best because they at least show some originality, but "Rockpommel's Land" is a bit of a disappointment, in my opinion. and does not really differ much from other outputs in the symphonic genre. And their latter studio albums were even more of a disappointment. I would have liked to see one of their four hour concerts though; they really must have been an incredible experience. -------------  BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: January 04 2009 at 18:51
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From the evidence presented on "The Grobschitt Story 2" - the only album of theirs I am EVER likely to own, we have an ensemble of stoned smug hippies who combine the cartoon puerility of Zappa, the theatrical art-w**k of Guru Guru wedded to some very lame rawk toons and heavy handed attempts at "freakout subversion" Better In Yer Face than Off Yer Face ------------- 
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 05 2009 at 05:28
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Grobschnitt had the bad idea to sound like genesis and Yes with Jumbo and Rockpommel and this plays heavily against them. Otherwise the debut album is fantasdtic and Ballerman is good. Solar Misick Live is tremedous music as well. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: January 05 2009 at 06:40
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Another thing that goes against them is the Rockpommel's Land album artwork. a lot of people say it's a Roger Dean copycat who painted it. As for Nektar vs Grobschnitt. Grobschnitt hands down no contest. not even going to get into that one. Best Solar Music for me is Warburg '78. It can be heard on The History of grobschnitt Vol. 1. You should check out some of the performances in '79 when it was turning into a pop Solar Music. Really. Sort of disco Solar Music. I don't really see Hugues' point when he says they started to sound like Yes & Genesis on Jumbo & Rockpommel's land. is he on bad drugs or did he have a bad day at the office? ------------- |
Posted By: Grobsch
Date Posted: January 05 2009 at 06:48
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Several people likes other bands that copies much more Genesis and Yes than Grobschnitt... Jumbo and Rockpommel's Land are great albums... Symphony and Ballermann, too... Grobschnitt could combine the better of the british with the better of the german progressive... Rockpommel's Land and Jumbo are a little bit more symphonic than the previous ones, but you can find in these album some kraut, comic moments and space rock, too... The Rockpommel's Land song is one of the best suites ever... the guitar solo in the end is PERFECT!!!... Rockpommel's Land in one of the best symphonic record all time... much better than all other symphonic progressive that followed it... but this is my opinion... But even though they are great albums, they aren't Solar Music Live... One aspect I'd like to get an anwser... Why Grobschnitt only release an album after the label Brain was created? The labels of AD II and others Krautrock bands didn't like the work?? Grobschnitt was the first band of the Brain label I think... ------------- My Webpages: http://www.goblinx.com.br/en - http://www.goblinx.com.br/en http://grobsch.deviantart.com - http://grobsch.deviantart.com |
Posted By: Grobsch
Date Posted: January 05 2009 at 06:53
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No, wikipedia list Grobschnitt's Symphony as the 8° release of Brain records. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_Records ------------- My Webpages: http://www.goblinx.com.br/en - http://www.goblinx.com.br/en http://grobsch.deviantart.com - http://grobsch.deviantart.com |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: January 05 2009 at 07:02
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No. The Brain label was created by two guys from Ohr records got fed up with the way it was being managed and formed Brain in early '72. Guru Guru were the first band ( who were previously on Ohr ) to be signed. Their Kanguru album was the first album to be released on Brain or it might have been Lonesome Crow by The Scorpions or Together by Jane. I've got an original fold out copy of Kanguru. Other bands such as Grobschnitt, Neu!, Birth Control and Novalis followed. Amon Duul already had a contract with Liberty Records at the time that's why they weren't on Brain. ------------- |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: January 05 2009 at 07:20
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: January 05 2009 at 09:55
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I can't vote in this poll
But i think that they isn't consider the best band is because:
1. They are not english
2. They are better bands that them example: Guru Guru, Amon Dull II, Can and Frumpy. -------------  |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: January 05 2009 at 10:28
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I wouldn`t say that they`re better than the bands you mentioned. Beautiful thing about these German bands was that they were all so unique. Now Frumpy. Where were the record execs heads? In their ass. Why weren`t they marketed in North America? They sounded the most North American of just about all the German bands from this era. Man, Inga Rumpf has got to be one of the greatest female rock voices. She went on to do so many other different things after Frumpy. You gotta check out her blues album Easy In My Soul from 2006. I`m trying to find the release date of the first Grobschnitt album. As I said the first band to be signed on Brain was Guru Guru and I`m 99 % sure that Kanguru was the first album released by the fledgling Brain label. Oh yeah. My vinyl copy of the first Grobschnitt album doesn`t have the green brain label on it but rather the label is orange with KRAUTROCK written in Gothic lettering. ------------- |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: January 05 2009 at 10:44
It wasn`t really announced publicly even in Germany (as far as I know) , certainly not here but Volker Kahrs ( MIST ) passed away last July. I found out through a friend. Anybody here know anything? ------------- |
Posted By: Alucard
Date Posted: January 05 2009 at 11:11
what sets them apart were their live shows and their spirit, as already mentionned they played sometimes four hours or more in small venues and school auditoriums, a mixture of slapstick theater space and psychedelic music, but it was really the mix and the contact with audience that made it. I was lucky to have seen them quite often in the 70's and the athmosphere of these concerts was just great...especially at at time when a lot of German bands completely neglected their roots spoke to the audience in English like Jane or just copied anglo- saxon bands....Grobschnitt was kind of a German Monthy Python's Flying Cirkus...
BTW a good friend invited me to see them again in their hometown Hagen on the 24th of january and even so it's not the same band anymore I will be happy to see them once more....
24. Januar 2009 GROBSCHNITT in der Stadthalle in 58093 Hagen. Einlass 18:30 Uhr Beginn: 20:00 Uhr http://www.music-and-merch.de/ - www.music-and-merch.de http://www.eventim.de/ - www.eventim.de http://www.stadthalle-hagen.de/termine/vvk.php - www.stadthalle-hagen.de/termine/vvk.php ------------- Tadpoles keep screaming in my ear "Hey there! Rotter's Club! Explain the meaning of this song and share it" |
Posted By: Grobsch
Date Posted: January 05 2009 at 12:05
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I would like to listen to their last album.. Grobschnitt 2008... Mist is no more between us... he died last year... I think some sons are playing now... About the Brain label, we need to search one by one because all the first albums are from 1972... Grobschnitt is by far better than Guru Guru, Can and Frumpy... I have Rockpommel's Land in long-play... ------------- My Webpages: http://www.goblinx.com.br/en - http://www.goblinx.com.br/en http://grobsch.deviantart.com - http://grobsch.deviantart.com |
Posted By: Grobsch
Date Posted: January 05 2009 at 12:16
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BTW, Rockpommel's Land was one of the first albums I bought and Ballermann the first cdrom... I start with Grobschnitt, Eloy, Nektar and only later I discovered the Krautrock, must of my friends do not care about kraut but love the german space bands... ------------- My Webpages: http://www.goblinx.com.br/en - http://www.goblinx.com.br/en http://grobsch.deviantart.com - http://grobsch.deviantart.com |
Posted By: Grobsch
Date Posted: January 05 2009 at 12:20
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Some good reviews of Rockpommel's Land: "For me this is the album of all albums.......This is certainly one of the most brilliant prog recordings ever..." http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=19523 "With whimsical story telling and a delightful floating symphonic sound Grobschnitt takes you on a prog rock fairytale!... " http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=194623 "Now i know that Grobschnitts´s : "Solar music" are supposed to be their best album!! But this..in my opinion ..is their absolute best moment..that being:"Rockpommel´s land"..." http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=19524 ------------- My Webpages: http://www.goblinx.com.br/en - http://www.goblinx.com.br/en http://grobsch.deviantart.com - http://grobsch.deviantart.com |
Posted By: Anaon
Date Posted: January 05 2009 at 12:56
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I think that their first album is a masterpiece! Well, it's my opinion of course but I think it is really fantastic!! I love Rockpommel's Land too but the first one remains my personal favourite.
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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: January 05 2009 at 20:18
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I don't have anything from after Solar Music Live, nor do I have their debut album. I like everything I have, but I like Eloy more. Virtually everything from 1973's Inside to 1982's TIme To Turn was excellent IMO. That's a long run. And I thought that even though Eloy copied a variety of groups, they sounded like Eloy more than Grobschnitt sounds like Grobschnitt. If you take the humorous bits away they are very chameleon like, which is good in a way too. I also find the humourous bits a bit detracting in general, although the intro to Ballerman is fun I must admit, as is the way it leads into Sahara. So yes they are a fine group  |
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: January 05 2009 at 21:27
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BTW its pronounced Gross schnitt (in german , you cannot have 3 esses in arow , it would be silly, so the use of a weird B replaces 2 of the esses) . Of course , on some German farms you can have 3 asses in a row but then you use the word Arsch . ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: January 05 2009 at 22:28
No, you are wrong about that, it is definitely pronounced "Grobschnitt" and was always meant to be nothing else but "Grobschnitt". It is a word that is descriptive of the quality of tobacco, with "Feinschnitt" being high level quality tobacco and "Grobschnitt" low level quality. The equivalence of "Grobschnitt" in English is "severance cut" (while "Feinschnitt" is fine-cut or shag). The German word "grob" means "rough", "severe". ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: January 06 2009 at 00:24
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Yeah, you are right , "grob' means crude, I really thought that it was the twisted B that replaces the two esses which is correct otherwise. I thought I can turn it into a little comedy and it went kaput on me , oh well! Sorry, Entschuldigung! ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: Grobsch
Date Posted: January 06 2009 at 06:03
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This topic is famous now... I hope it can help this GREAT band to gain some fans... After 'Solar Music Live' I like 'Volle Molle'... Illegal started the bad fase... Sonnentanz is a good album if you like saxophone... ------------- My Webpages: http://www.goblinx.com.br/en - http://www.goblinx.com.br/en http://grobsch.deviantart.com - http://grobsch.deviantart.com |
Posted By: Alucard
Date Posted: January 06 2009 at 08:52
BTW still about the name :
Tony Moff Mollo's (houseclown of the band) grandfather played in a band that was called Kapelle Grobschnitt, hence the name.... (they seemed to have used made up instruments maybe old cigar or tobacco boxes, which could have given the name in the first place)
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: January 06 2009 at 09:07
| ^ They look very proggy. Proto-proto-prog, maybe? |
Posted By: Alucard
Date Posted: January 06 2009 at 09:20
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^they do and for shure they have a "f**k this bloody war" attitude... ------------- Tadpoles keep screaming in my ear "Hey there! Rotter's Club! Explain the meaning of this song and share it" |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: January 06 2009 at 10:00
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: January 06 2009 at 10:07
.Tony Moff Mollo is the guy you see flying through the air on the cover of Volle Molle.------------- |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: January 06 2009 at 10:36
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About the Grobshnitt of the 80s. I dunno. I had an easier time with Illegal than I did with Rockpommel`s Land. The Humour and magic was still there but in an eighties context. I listened to The Last Party Live this morning and remembered that I had reviewed it here some time ago. I couldn`t believe I gave it only three lousy stars. So I just updated it to four stars. Most of the tracks were taken from Razzia and Illegal and I`ve got Illegal spinning right now. For me there`s absolutely nothing wrong with the 80s Grobschnitt. One dissappointment with the Last Party album wwas the virtual absence of anything before the Illegal album ( the exception being Anywhere ). One thing I meant to say earlier, and this sort of reflects what Alucard mentioned earlier on, that they were more concerned with live shows and this is where they really shined and I agree with him on the point that so much is lost on the studio work but fortunately EROC has managed to release a lot of remastered live recordings with more to come!. If you compare their studio album output ( 5 albums in 7 years during the seventies) to other bands from the seventies it`s rather low. Without argument their music had so much growth potential on the live stage. They never played any one song quite the same way. ------------- |
Posted By: Grobsch
Date Posted: January 06 2009 at 10:57
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I read in some place - I don't remember anymore - that Grobschnitt was the name of a novelist... Anyone has Grobschnitt 2008? ------------- My Webpages: http://www.goblinx.com.br/en - http://www.goblinx.com.br/en http://grobsch.deviantart.com - http://grobsch.deviantart.com |
Posted By: Grobsch
Date Posted: January 06 2009 at 11:01
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I have this photo and it is interesting because I think Tony was not part of Grobschnitt in the beginning.. but perhaps I'm wrong.. I know their first name was Crew in the end of the 60's...
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: January 06 2009 at 11:07
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Posted By: Einsetumadur
Date Posted: January 06 2009 at 11:51
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Why isn't Florian Silbereisen considered the best artist ever? Sorry, but those "best band ever" - polls are completely nonsense in my opinion; a band gets nominated as one of the bands ever when it is marketed in the right way, when it gets popular. Those polls only work if everyone here, completetely _everyone_, knows Grobschnitt's whole discography. Circa 30 % of all the members here would love the Icelandic band Thursaflokkurinn, but no-one knows it - and even with my "advertising" of this band no-one will inform oneself about Thursaflokkurinn because most of the members here have never heard about the band. ------------- All in all each man in all men |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: January 06 2009 at 12:10
Okay dokay matey, we're all ears - where can we hear/buy their music and do you feel remotely inclined to describe same ? or better still, go through the appropriate procedure to suggest their inclusion on PA ? Otherwise your plea will start to resemble one of those self fulfilling prophecies -------------
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: January 06 2009 at 12:28
I think these polls are just a vehicle to get the ball rolling on discussions. I mean it would be ludicrous for me to respond to a poll on Meshugga ( although I did stir up some s*** on a thread once ). I`ve tried to enlighten people on a number of bands since I joined the site to no avail so don`t feel bad or take it personally. The most recent is Steve Smith`s Vital Information. I lobbied for a few months to get the addition and finally won my case. I did the bio, selected the photo, added all the albums and did the first review. So far no reviews forthcoming. In a nutshell Steve Smith is one of the greatest dummers alive. If you want more go to his section here on PA. I`ll definitely check out this Icelandic Band out and get back to you. Hope it doesn`t sound anything like Bjork I might add I`ve discovered many great bands through this site that I might have otherwise overlooked.Back on topic. As for the name of Grobschnitt being that of a novelist are you sure you`re not getting this mixed up with Novalis who took their name from Novalis which was a pen name of a German romantic novelist/philosopher from the 18th century? I`m going to try and order Grobschnitt Live2008. There`s a store here in Montreal that can get stuff like that pretty quick. ------------- |
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Date Posted: January 06 2009 at 12:31
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Posted By: Grobsch
Date Posted: January 06 2009 at 13:46
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"a band gets nominated as one of the bands ever when it is marketed in the right way, when it gets popular." So, Madonna are the BEST?? Or Michael Jackson?? Everyone here knows Grobschnitt. Their album have hundreds of reviews and you can read several ones saying the album is the best ever recorded... so you cannot compare any obscure band with Grobschnitt... ------------- My Webpages: http://www.goblinx.com.br/en - http://www.goblinx.com.br/en http://grobsch.deviantart.com - http://grobsch.deviantart.com |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: January 06 2009 at 14:36
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Ask any German who grew up in the seventies in West Germany and chances are they`ll know Grobschnitt & Amon Duul II even if they weren`t huge music fans. When I was in the military I frequently came across Germans who were training here in Canada and I always had to ask them if they had ever heard of Grobschnitt, Amon Duul II etc. They were always suprised that I had heard of these bands and even more suprised to find out I had all their records! I think only one Grobschnitt album was released domestically in North America on the Canadian underground BOMB label and that was Rockpommel`s Land. I`ve got a transparent vinyl disc of Jane`s Age Of Madness on BOMB records. Some of these European bands weren`t marketed because they couldn`t appear live. Guru Guru was one of the few "Krautrock" bands that appeared live in North America. Someone told me once that they had seen a North American pressing of Dance Of The Flames on Atlantic but I`ve yet to come across one. I think Guru Guru did gigs in Chicago & New York City around the time Tango Fango was released. Passport Records was another Canadian label that got licensing rights for European bands such as Passport and Omega. ------------- |
Posted By: Einsetumadur
Date Posted: January 06 2009 at 15:35
In my opinion they are already included. But that is not the point; I 'm a student from Germany and the words that I know in English aren't enough for explaining the things that I want to say shortly and concisely, sorry for that. The question has got very much to do with the question "Why are Grobschnitt so heavily underrated?". Well, in order to answer this question it is necessary to know *who* underrates this band. In most cases the reason is that nobody really knows the band - and if you don't know a band, you won't take it into your BandTop5 list. It could be possible that Grobschnitt would be much more popular in case they were better known everywhere on earth. When everyone knows the band, the reasons for their unpopularity could be discussed. But the thesis "This band is underrated" always leads to the question "Who underrates the band?" Here in the PA nearly everyone who knows the band really loves or likes it ... That the discussion is nonsense isn't that what I want to say, and the thread poster shall not be angry - but at first I think one should think about the underrated-tism of the band. ------------- All in all each man in all men |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: January 06 2009 at 15:43
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Well look what I said above. Only one bloody Grobschnitt album was released in North America on an obscure label, BOMB Records.. All my friends at school back in the seventies thought I was some kind of freak from another galaxy when they heard this music. I hate to say it but the internet allows for a lot more openmindedness as far as music choices go because one can pick and choose. Back in the seventies if it wasn`t being promoted in the mainstream media it just wasn`t going to make it. ------------- |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: January 06 2009 at 17:55
Tell 'em VB. Scarcity of choices made each "find' all that much more appreciated. And as for Grobschnitt, the first time I heard about them was a few years back when I used to go through those Amazon.com lists that people post (best of this genre, this nation's bands that you need to hear, Unknown prog gems is where I saw Grobschnitt first), and from there I picked it up. Eventually, I got most of their collection. And as far as any band being under-rated just because everyone doesn't know them, well that could apply to the Beatles too, eh. It would be nice for our ego if our idols were as beloved by everyone else as they are by us. Then The Angels from Angel City, Et Cetera (quebec), Nick Lowe, and many others would enjoy more success than they do or did. But funny, I still get a kick out of listening to them despite their relative obscurity. ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: January 06 2009 at 20:29
| Because they're probably not. |