Casualties of Applied Metaphysics (Ecl., Avant, ?)
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Topic: Casualties of Applied Metaphysics (Ecl., Avant, ?)
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Subject: Casualties of Applied Metaphysics (Ecl., Avant, ?)
Date Posted: December 27 2008 at 23:38
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Alright. My band has released their first album and I'm suggesting us officially for possible inclusion. A completely free download of our debut is on our site: http://www.freewebs.com/casualtiesofappliedmetaphysics/index.htm - CLICK HERE Our music is difficult to describe (or so I believe), and I think we would be best suited for Eclectic or Avant, but it's open to interpretation. Electronic doesn't fit, because this is our most synth-reliant release and it isn't all electronic; the second album (which is also finished but unreleased at the moment) is more experimental and the third will contain many vocals and a different style (progresses from album to album  ).Have a listen and see what you think. Lineup: Alex Browne- drums, percussion, keyboards, voices Daniel Walton- cello, guitar, keyboards, voices Matt Buckley- keyboards, voices David Tillman- bass, voices ------------- 
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Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: December 27 2008 at 23:39
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About time you finished the copyright stuff. I would have gotten it done so much faster if you had let me handle it.
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: December 27 2008 at 23:42
You're full of crap.   -------------
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birdwithteeth11 wrote:Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: December 27 2008 at 23:42
Or maybe I'm just not lazy?  -------------
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: December 27 2008 at 23:44
It came out before the end of the year, so that's all that matters. -------------
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Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: December 27 2008 at 23:45
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Exactly
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 00:45
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Cool! :) I'm downloading it now; will mention it to the Eclectic Team and add it to the Progfreak chart.
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 00:47
Thanks, Greg.  -------------
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Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 13:03
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Very cool, downloading now! ------------- Beauty will save the world. 
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 13:06
Awesome. If you guys have any problems downloading, let me know. -------------
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 13:56
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Hey Alex, good to hear things finally worked out! Having heard the album I think it would be better suited for Electronic myself, but we'll have to see what the others think. |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 14:06
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I am downloading but it is very slow ( 15kpbs).. Hope to hear it.....! ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 14:06
Thanks! I'm really glad everything's working and up now.  It is heavily reliant on synths, but the debut is the album that is easily MOST reliant on synths (however, I guess you can't judge on that just yet, you'll have to trust my word on it), and it's not entirely electronic either. The second album, which is finished and going to be released shortly (give it a month or two, probably two), also still hangs onto a reliant synth-sound but simultaneously pushes away from something that I would label electronica (the first and second build on each other). I just began work and conceptualization for the 3rd too, which could be another deciding factor in favor of a sound that is far from stagnant, because it is an entirely different beast itself. It doesn't feel like COAM would fit entirely snug into that category, but that's just my opinion. The first half of the debut I can see being called full-blown electronic prog, but besides that it doesn't fit completely. I see your point, but we'll wait for further input. -------------
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 14:08
I know that alot of people must be trying to access it right now, so it's not going at its maximum capacity. I just updated my website not long ago with links to two other locations from which to download it as well, if you want to try your luck there. -------------
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 14:13
Casualties of Applied Metaphysics is the coolest band name I've heard since Madame Blavatsky Overdrive.  ...but the download really is awfully slow. How large is the file? |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 14:29
Haha, thanks. I can't take credit for coming up with it though; I didn't. Nonetheless, it's perfect. -------------
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 14:37
My suggestion to Electronic is mostly based on the space-outery of the majority of the album, which to me is the best way to determine PE (however, this is probably why I'm not on the the elec team ) - I think it belongs somewhere, I just don't know where I would put it if it were up to me...Prog folk? Prog Metal? |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 14:39
Isn't that Space Rock? Tech/extreme would be the best place! -------------
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 14:40
| Hmm, listening to it again I thik I should take back the Electronic remark. Maybe Avant? |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 14:42
God doesn't even know where to put the thing.  Categorizing a band based on only the debut being available can prove to be difficult too; it's always easier to categorize the bands that are already inactive. I need to release the 2nd one soon... There is definitely Avant influence in much of my composing, however. -------------
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 14:43
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Dude, I've got bands added based on the strength of an EP Godsticks ftw! Anyways, the more I listen the more I think somewhere in ZART. James? Patural Science? |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 14:55
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Although I must admit that the beginning half is very electric, very spacey... Space rock? I don't even know anymore |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 14:57
I've over-analyzed it plenty, so I know how you feel. We'll find out if you guys make the right decision once history continues. No pressure. -------------
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 15:03
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Not avant-prog. Not sure what it is. I'd go for Crossover or Eclectic. -------------   
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 15:06
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With the vast amount of influences, Eclectic does seem like a good candidate, especially evident by how much difference in possible placement we've had just for the debut.
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 15:07
Non-German Krautrock, definitely. 
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 15:08
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I'll have a listen to it this evening when I can listen in peace. Looking forward to it. :) Incidentally, my favourite Eclectic music is commonly avant-oriented.
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 15:09
Didn't even think of Krautrock. Not sure... Bah!  Labels suck. -------------
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 15:11
Awesome. Hope you like it. My favorite Eclectic tends to be avant-oriented as well. I think the debut has more of an electronic feel though while the second album expands upon frontiers that are more experimental and avant. The category doesn't really matter, however, because we can always move it easily if it is deemed necessary, right? -------------
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 15:14
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It's Raga Rock. Definitely Raga Rock. -------------
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 15:15
You know my thoughts on Raga Rock. -------------
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 15:21
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Avant. Definitely Avant. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 18:01
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Definitely not avant.
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 21:09
Not from what I've heard...Rick Wright was in Prog-Related for years and was only recently moved into Crossover. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 21:11
Guess we have to get it right the first time around. Hmm... well, in the end it's not my decision. We'll see what people have to say and contribute towards the matter any further; I'm still leaning towards Eclectic or Avant for my two cents. -------------
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Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 22:19
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I'm just glad that people are enjoying it so far. That and no one's told us that they think it sucks. Avant, Eclectic, PE. I don't think Alex and I are too concerned about trying to label COAM yet. We'll let the experts decide. -------------
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: December 29 2008 at 05:14
I enjoyed it, Alex. I didn't think it that well suited to Eclectic, though, even though there is an eclecticism when one looks at the range of tracks.
There is a Kosmischeness there. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: December 29 2008 at 05:31
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It's not avant-prog though.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: December 29 2008 at 06:38
First off- excellent stuff Alex & David 
I don't think it fits Crossover at all, there is a crossover of styles (mainly Avant, Electronic and Krautrock) that implies a certain mix of eclecticism, but the required Pop ethos isn't there. I'll leave the EP team to comment on the Eclectic side, but I have my doubts.
I'm certainly curious to hear albums 2 & 3  ------------- What? |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: December 29 2008 at 08:53
Thanks, Dean. You'll get to hear #2 pretty soon, since I'm 99% sure we're finished with it. As for #3, well... still need to work alot more on it. I think it'll be a bigger transition in sound from 2 to 3 than 1 to 2. -------------
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: December 29 2008 at 10:10
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Wow. Just wow. Well, not "wow, I haven't heard anything better in my life", more like "wow, how in God's name to describe this". But I can say this is a fairly good album, better than I would have expected at least. Now...hm...where to put it? It's definitely screwing with our heads.  I do fully hear the Kosmische-related stuff, so the Krautrock idea isn't half bad. The second strongest scent is given by the "avant-ish" pieces, but I'd actually agree with James - it's not that much focused as to be avant-prog. Is it progressive? The parts of the sum are, while the sum of the parts could be overall called experimental (and just that), rather than, I don't know, progressive or prog-rock. For Eclectic, I'm unsure. It doesn't have a true correspondent with something else from the genre, which gives a bit uncomfortable feeling, and it didn't seem to me that you mixed that many elements - then again, if a couple of pieces are experimental (the kosmische/electronic experimenting, that is), others are avant-ish, and we can't place the work in either of the defined genres...aargh! Damn. It's time like this that we would need a "purely experimental prog" category. ------------- 
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: December 29 2008 at 10:30
I'm glad you liked it, Rico.  I didn't think categorizing would be this difficult. Sorry.  Another album could be a deciding factor for some people's opinions, I think, and I was planning on releasing the 2nd album anywhere from a few weeks to two months from now. At the worst case scenario that you guys can't decide, I can copyright that album, make sure it's finished, get some album art, and then give earlier promo records to a select few before it actually is released (or release it earlier) before a sub-genre is set in stone. It would give more information and be more efficient (in theory) especially if it is difficult to move an artist from one sub-genre to another, but the factor of waiting and added complexity make it a back-up plan, IMO. -------------
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: December 29 2008 at 10:31
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Out of curiocity Alex, how are you going to copyright the ablum? ------------- What? |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: December 29 2008 at 10:33
I copyrighted In Anima through the Library of Congress, so it's all official. It worked well, so I'm planning to do that with all of them. -------------
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: December 29 2008 at 10:43
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I listened to the album last night, and agree that it's difficult to pin down category-wise. I'm not sure if it's really progressive rock, it's certainly a fairly interesting and experimental album though. I don't think avant would be a good fit, but I don't know where it should go, if anywhere. I would indeed like to hear the second album before passing any further judgment. |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: December 29 2008 at 11:05
Alright. We'll wait for any more comments, and I think the 2nd album may be coming out sooner than I even anticipated (I initially anticipated two months, but it could be just a few weeks or less). When I get everything finalized on that, you'll hear from me about it. -------------
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: January 01 2009 at 00:29
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Well I'm back at my home computer and now that I'm not on my grandma's machine i've taken the oppurtunity to listen to this, and I'll probably be listening to it by the time 2009 rolls around.
As for the genre. I don't know, sometimes I barely know what genre I'm even talking about.
I'd suggest post rock, which is something nobody's mentioned yet, but it's far to synthy at my first listen to be post rock. But they sound so much like progressive electronic at the beginning. "The Rain" definetely sounds like post rock, but it's not a long enough track!
 The name "Casualties in Applied Metaphysics" is definetely post/math rock though. Maybe if you had named the album, "The clouds are nothing but a barren wasteland upon which we throw our sorrows" then people would have definetely said you're a post rock band. ------------- 
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: January 01 2009 at 11:55
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This is the absolute worst garbage I've ever heard. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: January 01 2009 at 11:56
I love how post-rock titles are always so long. Red Sparowes's get me every time. -------------
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: January 01 2009 at 11:57
Don't mess with me. I can give your albums bad reviews.  -------------
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: January 01 2009 at 11:59
In fact, I'm going to call Torman Maxt and tell them they can stop hiding their faces in shame.
Also, Latimer called. He said he heard your stuff and said, "This little sh*t gave The Snow Goose a bloody TWO?" ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: January 01 2009 at 12:00
Now you're just being ridiculous. -------------
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: January 01 2009 at 12:01
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@ the above.
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: January 01 2009 at 12:03
Also, I would rate YOUR album badly, but no one can seem to agree on a category!  ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: January 01 2009 at 12:04
Hey, that's not my fault. I'll get promo copies of Ex to a few people here within the next few weeks, I assume. Not sure... but I'll definitely post that here when I'm done with it. Either it will clear things up... or make them worse. -------------
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: January 01 2009 at 12:06
I'm praying for the latter. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: January 01 2009 at 12:07
Screw you. -------------
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Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: January 01 2009 at 17:30
Maybe I should go and give Snow Goose 2 stars as well... -------------
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: March 06 2009 at 21:42
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Our 2nd album is out, so this thread is now officially revived and everything is to be re-defined. Just click on my signature and follow the directions on the site. The lineup information is in the Discography section. -------------
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: March 06 2009 at 22:42
Alex, although I am very much enjoying the second album I think that it solidifies my case in saying  for eclectic |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: March 06 2009 at 23:13
What is it checkmark for then? -------------
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: March 07 2009 at 00:05
| that's a red X!! |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: March 07 2009 at 00:08
I know. I meant, since it's a red X for Eclectic, then what sub-genre(s) is it a green checkmark for? -------------
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: March 07 2009 at 00:09
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uuuuh... none so far, apparently
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: March 07 2009 at 00:14
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: March 07 2009 at 02:16
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2nd album is out?! Oh oh! (To be checked.) -------------
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 07 2009 at 06:42
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will be checking this baby out later today...
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: March 07 2009 at 07:59
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: March 07 2009 at 14:52
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Provided that RIO and Avant split, I think CoAM would fit nicely in Avant along with others like Mr. Bungle and the Residents. Eclectic would be the backup. Electronic is one of the many elements I incorporate in my compositions, but I think it would be a mistake to say it is any more important than some of the others. What do you guys think? -------------
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: March 07 2009 at 14:58
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Eclectic, at this point, would be a "x + y + z + w" kind of blindfolded equation (which doesn't necesarrily apply to Ex, it was hinted more in the first album). You're pretty far, as I've said, from our art rocky bulk of music. Experimental, avant-garde is more the spot we'd (you'd) be looking for. -------------
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Posted By: MrEdifus
Date Posted: March 07 2009 at 21:12
I always thought that's what RIO/Avant was for... ------------- 
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: March 07 2009 at 23:50
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I totally think that Avant prog is a perfect place for CoaM.
By the way, "Demon" is a killer track! -------------
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Posted By: MrEdifus
Date Posted: March 07 2009 at 23:55
Why thank you- I mean... yes it is. -------------
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: March 08 2009 at 00:08
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: March 08 2009 at 00:08
Branden's guest vocals really do make it more awesome. -------------
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: March 08 2009 at 13:14
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It seems like any consensus so far is towards Avant, but we really need more genre team and collabs to comment on this.
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 07:22
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Eclectic or Crossover.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 08:20
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I'll have a proper listen later -- though since I stopped smoking recently, it's very hard for me to concentrate on anything.
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 11:52
Even avant-prog?  I'll listen to the 2nd album as well as soon as possible. ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 12:03
Errrm... I'd like to add that eclectic has rejected this band twice now, and where the hell do you get Xover from?? I don't see anything "poppy-prog" about the music at all |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 14:44
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^specially when the guy who makes the music has a Henry Cow avatar
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 15:14
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Henry Cow has worked with some poppy stuff (like "War" off IPoL with Slapp Happy) and again in their collaboration with Slapp Happy on Desperate Straits.
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 15:22
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My music isn't Henry Cow though. And since when is "War" poppy? If you showed most people that, they would NOT call it poppy. -------------
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 15:33
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But I'm not most people. It's definitely poppy to me -- on the "avant-pop" side. It's quirky, but it is so damned catchy; however, I don't expect to hear it on American Idol anytime soon. Incidentally, It's the only track of Henry Cow I ever recognised from the radio. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 22:13
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Yes, poppy it is, and that's one of the major reasons I don't like it
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 22:15
Henry Cow were more poppy than CoAM is (so far)!  -------------
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 22:52
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"Catchy" does not equal "poppy." "Pop" music has a definite structure (perhaps with some variations), and is to be distinguished from "popular" music. I've heard all four Henry Cow studio albums, and there's nothing pop-oriented about any of them. I've listened to both albums from Casualties of Applied Metaphysics, and there is likewise nothing pop-oriented about them either. I could make a strong argument that they belong in Avant, and a somewhat weaker one that they could belong in electronic. But Crossover? What? ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 12 2009 at 01:29
Robert, of course pop and popular music can be synonymous, so one doesn't necessarily need to make that distinction ("poppy" is an adjective). From the OED: POP 1. (adj) In a popular or modern style 2. of performing, or relating to pop music 1, (noun) (in full pop music) commercial popular music.... But that's by-the-by and arguing semantics is often a dull, tedious exercise. I never said, or meant to imply, that catchy equalled poppy. Catchiness is a common quality of pop music, but that doesn't make it pop or poppy. To me Slapp Happy has "avant-pop" qualities, and so when Henry Cow collaborated on "War" and the Desperate Straits album those qualities came through for me (I wouldn't describe "War" as a pop song, but it still has a poppy quality, in part at least) . *does a search* Incidentally, Slapp Happy is called an avant-pop group on its wikipedia page -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slapp_Happy - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slapp_Happy Here's a fun little link on avant-pop -- http://www.altx.com/manifestos/avant.pop.manifesto.html - http://www.altx.com/manifestos/avant.pop.manifesto.html EDIT: Apologies for the silly digression , back to CoAM. God I feel like I need a smoke. Holding out.... Oops, digressed again. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: April 04 2009 at 18:32
I am listenting to the newest album now, and I already think that Electronic is out of the question. There are too many moments where the songs become actual compositions with real instruments being a part of the experience. If all of the songs were mainly electronica-based, maybe I would understand, but to me, RIO/Avant-Prog is the perfect place for these guys. 
P.S. I honestly hope RIO and Avant DON'T split, as mentioned earlier, because frankly those two genres intertwine so much, it would be very, very difficult determining which bands go in what category.
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: February 11 2010 at 08:23
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I haven't found any other topic on CoAM on PA, so here we go)
"Ask the Machine" is fun, but a bit too amateurish and directionless. I liked the second half of "Operation", "Raindance" coda and some bits from "The Machine" (despite its terrible FruityLoops drums), but everything other seemed to be filler to me Shorter tracks have their moments but they all lack something for sure. Anyway, don't stop! Good luck with your stuff, guys!
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