Cinecitta Soundtrack Composers
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Topic: Cinecitta Soundtrack Composers
Posted By: Rocktopus
Subject: Cinecitta Soundtrack Composers
Date Posted: December 17 2008 at 07:43
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Man! There's so much fantastic music from what mainly is horror/softporn/thriller/exploitation or spaghettiwestern B-movies. Fellini, Leone (and to some extent Argento) are obvious exceptions. I've seen less than a dozen of the actual movies, but have about 130-150 soundtracks from italia 1965-1980. . If you only know Morricone, Goblin and Nino Rota here, I suggest you start educating yourself about a 'music scene' that has a lot to offer anyone interested in music. These would all be great places to start: Bruno Nicolai L'Onorate Famiglia Andre Hossein Cimitero Senza Croci Nico Fidenco Emanuelle in America Gianni Marchetti Il Magnifico Tony Carrera Stelvio Cipriani Femina Ridens Fabio Bixio A Pugni Nudi Alessandro Alessandroni/Nora Orlandi Devil's Nightmare/A Doppa Faccia (split release) Fiorenzo Capri Un Bianco Vestito per Mariale Armando Sciascia Metempsycho Piero Umiliani Il Corpo Left out Morricone, but he is obviously the master of the genre. I would have to get a list of reccomendation of his soundtracks exclusively. Maybe later. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: December 19 2008 at 06:23
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Too obscure, eh? I don't mind writing for myself, so here's ca. my top fifteen Morricone (haven't got all 800): Il Clan Dei Siciliani/The Sicilian Clan A Fistful of Dollars Once Upon A Time In The West Quattro Mosche di Velluto Grigio/Four Flies on Green Velvet Gli Occhi Freddi Della Paura/Cold Eyes of Fear For a Few Dollars More Le Foto Proibite Di Una Signora Per Bene Spogliati, Protesta, Uccidi! Citta Violenta Duck, You Sucker Il Grande Silenzio Piume di Cristallo/Bird With the Crystal Plumage The Good the Bad and the Ugly Controfase (Not soundtrack, Library record) Sacco E Vanzetti ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: Apsalar
Date Posted: April 17 2009 at 00:11
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I know f**k all about this area of music, Ennio Morricone, Goblin... das ist alles. If you had to pick three of those 'great places to start', taking into account my taste, what would you suggest checking out? thanks |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: April 17 2009 at 02:50
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Hm, that's not easy. I love the sometimes silly and supercatchy stuff
just as much (probably more) as the serious and dark among these. I
don't really know if you'll enjoy Franco Micalizzi soundtrack to Karate Amazones as much as I do, but here's a couple that should interest most people seriously interested in "other" music: Three suggestions based on what I hope and think would work for you (I've been digging deeper since I made that previous reccomendation list): La Classe Operaia Va in Paradiso Bruno Nicolai/Ennio Morricone Pensione Paura Adolfo Waitzman Tutti I Colori Del Buio Bruno Nicolai I've got to add three Morricone horrorscores sounding everything from the darkest R.I.O (long before it existed) to electroaqoustic and freejazz: Gli Occhi Freddi Della Paura / Cold Eyes Of Fear Il Gatto a Nove Code / 'The Cat O'Nine Tales Quattro Mosche di Velluto Grigio / The Four Flies on Grey Velvet PM me if have trouble finding them. Btw: Let me know if you're just as interested in the supersweet melodies and heavenly voices from the king of zombiesoftporn-scores: Nico Fidenco and things like that. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: April 17 2009 at 03:33
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I've collected some great ones since I made that top 15 list. My updated top 25, Morricone favorites: La Classe Operaia Va In Paradiso A Fistful of Dollars Il Clan Dei Siciliani/The Sicilian Clan Once Upon A Time In The West Quattro Mosche di Velluto Grigio/Four Flies on Green Velvet Gli Occhi Freddi Della Paura/Cold Eyes of Fear For a Few Dollars More Le Foto Proibite Di Una Signora Per Bene La Proprietà Non E' Piu' un Furto Citta Violenta Il Gatto a Nove Code Mysticae - L'oumo E La Magia (TV Documentary) Metti Una Sera A Cena Veruschka Il Mio Nome E' Nessuno/My Name is Nobody Il Grande Silenzio Comandamenti per un Gangster Piume di Cristallo/Bird With the Crystal Plumage Il Ritorno Di Ringo Spogliati, Protesta, Uccidi! Controfase (Not soundtrack, Library record) Duck, You Sucker The Good the Bad and the Ugly Il Mercenario Sacco E Vanzetti ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: April 17 2009 at 09:33
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Ennio Morricone, for me
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Posted By: Apsalar
Date Posted: April 20 2009 at 06:10
As of yet I've not listened to any Nico Fidenco. Movie scores have been something I've been intrigued by for a little while now, but have never delved deeper, possibly because I watch very few movies. At one stage I became somewhat infatuated with Vig Mihaly's who scored several of Bela Tarr's film (a hungarian director). And funnily enough I first heard of Ennio Morricone when he was playing in Gruppo d'Improvvisazione Nuova Consonanza throughout the 60's. A few quick thoughts on those three aforemention albums. Overall this has been a pleasing and positive experience, tho' to fully develop my opinions much more time will be needed. Upon first listens I was more taken with both Pensione Paura and Tutti I Colori Del Bui more so than La Classe Operaia Va in Paradiso. Pensione Paura at this early stage is my pick of the bunch. It has an incredible flow between the pieces, possibly as it is slightly less variable in genre, or possibly because of subtlety of the chanegs. It is a very beautiful album, almost hauntingly so, with ostensible geniality concealing a more ominous back drop. In some respects I found myself moved similarly to some of Luigi Nono's later works (only in particular parts), tho' expressed with a greater dichotomy between the opposing emotions, with a little playfulness to boot. There is something about this score that felt so familiar, I'm not sure if this is because I've heard snippets of this before, or the nostalgia I feel listening to such music. Coming to it now, I will write about the others soon, as I'm a little tired at the moment. Just a quick edit. I was thinking a little more about the Luigi Nono comparison before heading off to bed and the more I think about it the more paper thin the comparison becomes. While I was writing that post I'd been listening to Nono's Fragmente-Stille, then popped Pensione Paura whence half-way through my post. As an unseen ramification of this I think the aforementioned piece was still lingering in my mind, hence my grasping at negligible links between the darker violin which is prominant in the opening of this score. As the score evolved it takes on a far more enlivened stance; possibly the film has a happy ending? Anyway I'm just crapping on now... |
Rocktopus wrote:Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: April 20 2009 at 13:00
| Mr. Morricone for me. |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: April 21 2009 at 04:26
I found it all very interesting. Sometimes far fetched associations are the most interesting. Most of these composers seem to have had an overview of and an understanding of just about every existing genre, so I'm sure the Nono link is relevant in one way or another. Btw: you mentioned Gruppo d'Improvvisazione Nuova Consonanza. Have you checked out Egisto Macchi? (Voix, Futirissimo, Sei Composizioni) ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: Apsalar
Date Posted: April 22 2009 at 00:25
As of yet, no. I know the name well, and even did a little reading up on his life / works at one stage, but could not find any hard copies at my local vendors; was hoping to score some vinyls. From memory many of his works, possibly a lot of them un-released/published, were closely linked with the film world. Something I found perplexing was to genre tag some people were using: 'Library Music', what does it actually mean? |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: April 22 2009 at 05:50
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^Production music (Same thing) is the name
given to the music owned by production music libraries and licensed to
customers for use in film, television, radio and other media. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Production_music - Wikipedia So basically its "illustrative" soundtrack music "premade" for a movie, documentary, radioshow or similar. Virtually all the italian film composers made lots of library albums. Also lot of french, progrelated folks like Teddy Lasry, Bernard Estardy, Michael Magne, Roland Bocquet, Bernard Fevre, Vladimir Cosma (also Brainticket's Joël Vandroogenbroeck)... Many used psedonyms or were simlpy given some obscure bandname: Gistery and Santani is Alessandro Alessandroni & Romolo Grano, Moggi = Piero Umiliani, ../artist.asp?id=3343 - Braen's Machine = Alessandro Alessandroni & Piero Umiliani, I Marc 4 = Armando Trovajoli, Eric Swan, Cecil Leuter, Roger Davy = Roger Roger, http://www.myspace.com/bluephantompsych - Blue Phantom , H. Tical, Jean Michel Logere(?) = Armando Sciasci and many albums contains music by unknown/anonymous composers. Digging up library music-treasures is of my obsessions. These albums contains so much unheard, experimental, weird and enjoyable music you simply have to hear it. If you should stumble over any of these gems, grab them: Egisto Macchi: Voix Patrice Sciortino: Chronoradial Gisteri-Santany: Antico Mondo Greco Romano Santucci & Scoppa: (Attraverso i Problemi Dell' Uomo) Poverta Vladimir Cosma: Patchwork 20 (Musicue Dramatique) Stringtronics: Mindbender Bernard Estardy: Electro Sounds Volume 2 Luigi Zito: Miscellena Nino Nardini: Musique Pour le Futur Bruno Nicolai: Rendez Vous Moggi: Tra Scienza e Fantascienza Okko Bekker: Sitar & Electronics Braen's Machine: Temi Ritmici e Dinamici Magical Ring: Light Flight, More and More Giuliano Sorgini: Percussioni In Crescendo + Blue Phantoms: Distortions/ Jean Michel Logere: Distortion Pop (same album) ... and loads more. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: Apsalar
Date Posted: April 30 2009 at 23:52
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funnily enough I've had Braen's Machine's album sitting around for quite some time, had no idea who was behind the group. I'll see if I can find where I've stuck the albums. Over the last week I've gotten a reasonable amount of listening done, and have formed some thoughts on a couple of the albums. One of the standouts at the moment has been Piero Umillani, La Legge Del Gangsters is what a gangster soundstrack should sound like; classy with a hip edge. Was taken by the long jazz piece at the beginning of the score... I was hooked once the vibes came in. The jazzy section meander into more upbeat big band sensations, topped off nicely with the symphonic interludes. One little quam, 'twas I little too long, but obviously such things are dictated by the film, so all in all a petty complaint. I was also taken with Nico Fidenco, 'twas fun, playful and a little erotic. A little different from what I was expecting. One of my friends at high school was into the whole '70's porn music, mainly for the funky as hell bass lines, well so he told me. I was expecting something more along these lines, but was coaxed (quite willfully) into this sensuous experience, while originally bracing myself for something a little more up front and jiving. Was not too keen on the last track. I did listen through both Berto Pisano & Fiorenzo Carpi albums a couple of times each, but my memory is hazy on them, their mellifluous and almost languid sounds almost blended into each other. Possibly I will take more from these albums with more listens. I do remember Pisano's album having some flute passages which had a kind of pesudo-japanese flavour to it. |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: May 01 2009 at 08:13
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Great feedback! What Nico Fidenco soundtrack did you listen to? The music is more exotic than superfunky. And although sensous, quite innocentsounding. This is to me part of what so appealing about it. My girlfriend also really loves Nico Fidenco (and neither of us would if it was the kind of music you expected). Some of these gloomy horror soundtracks are hard to remember, even the really great ones. So much pure atmosphere. I often confuse what theme goes where myself. All these composers got so much musicality to offer. This italian beat thing was quite hyped a couple of years ago, but it has never really been taken seriously (not that is has to be serious). I'm glad you're taking the time to get to know some of it on a deeper level. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: Apsalar
Date Posted: May 02 2009 at 05:57
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It was Emanuelle in America. I will listen to some of the other Fidenco albums soon-ish. Out of interest, was the 'not taken seriously' from an academic view point? I have been enjoying looking into this, ever since you recommended me Igor Wakhevitch, I'd been curious to track down some more of this type of music (I agree with what you said about Egisto Macchi). I was a little perplexed when I first heard Wakhevitch's music wondering when in the music world this fitted it. It is compositional work, but it did not have that academic feel, but it's almost intrinsic conection with popular music gives it a real human feeling. |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: May 02 2009 at 07:31
My impression is that the embracing of this genre, (much like exoitica and easy listening some years before) was mainly ironic and just something that was trendy for a while. I wasn't really thinking about an academic view point. But the unsnobbish attitude these all these gifted composers must have had when successfully combining lowbrow & hibrow, and created this rather unique music, deserves a serious study. I'm also certain that both Wakhevitch and Macchi would have had a greater star in academic circles if they kept their msic clean and played it "safe". ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 05:13
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Impressive list. I'm not a huge fan of E. Morricone and Nicolai despite that they remain very skilled and successful composers. Difficult to choose one in the list, they all represent the jazzy-groovy-soulful-refined italian touch in music scores...my vote will probably goes for Riz Ortolani. Only one composer is missing in the list: Claudio Gizzi (known for his scores to Paul Morissey's shocking horror tales). He is also a member of the post-modern spacey electronic combo AUTOMAT: for more details: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2649 ------------- 
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: May 07 2009 at 06:22
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I'll check out Claudio Gizzi (already know Automat). I got about 60 Morricone-albums, all from 64-74 /(and know about 90), and I'm albums certain that there's atleast ten you'd dig among them. I love Bruno Nicolai, and some of his soundtracks are among my favorites, but I might just have a slight preferance for his non-soundtrack music (library albums). Riz Ortolani seems to be one of the composers who onlike Morricone, Umiliani and Nicolai (but like Nico Fidenco) peaked later in the 70's. I find some of his 60's music rather dull/generic, but Cannibal Holocaust from 1979 is a near masterpiece. (check out Nico Fidenco - Emanuelle e Gli Ultimi Cannibali & Zombi Holocaust from the same period if you don't know them) ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |