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Topic: In the Court of the Crimson King!Posted By: Zeadwing
Subject: In the Court of the Crimson King!
Date Posted: December 02 2008 at 08:47
Tough one!
It's gotta be Epitaph for me! This should be interesting...
------------- "A drop in the ocean,
A significant motion."
-Shaun-
Replies: Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: December 02 2008 at 08:49
21st Century Schizoid Man (also in the version of PFM!)
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Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: December 02 2008 at 08:52
I was tempted to go for Moonchild, just for my good friend Epignosis, who I know just LOVES that one!!!!
I'm going for the title track, the best on the album IMHO.
Posted By: splyu
Date Posted: December 02 2008 at 09:00
All of the above; really impossible to choose. An album full of small masterpieces.
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: December 02 2008 at 09:02
1. 21st c. Schizoid Man/Moonchild (voted Moonchild) 2. I Talk to the Wind 3. In the Court 4. Epitaph (the album's low point)
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: December 02 2008 at 09:29
21st century schizoid man. Wow Moonchild has 2 votes! (will it get any more?)
------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?"
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: December 02 2008 at 09:47
Roj M30 wrote:
I was tempted to go for Moonchild, just for my good friend Epignosis, who I know just LOVES that one!!!!
I'm going for the title track, the best on the album IMHO.
You know me so well, Roger!
I'm going for the fifth song also. One of my favorite King Crimson songs.
Posted By: Zitro
Date Posted: December 02 2008 at 10:28
21st Century Schizoid Man, their 2nd best song (behind Starless).
Way ahead of its time, dynamic, and timeless. The title track sounds quite dated and repetitive in comparison.
Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: December 02 2008 at 10:30
^ I always try to pay attention Robert!
I have to say that KC have never fully done it for me and I've actually not got any of theirs on cd at the moment. Infamy, I hear the cry. This is a great album though, and I am presently awaiting the delivery of it on cd to replace my old (and worn!) vinyl copy. I loved the first two KC albums, but just could not get to grips with the later stuff. I remember hearing Discipline when a student some years ago and it just left me totally cold.
From the reviews I am sure I will love Islands and am hoping Santa will have it in his sack in about 3 weeks time.
Incidentally, sorry for going off on one - on a bit of a Tangent .
Posted By: splyu
Date Posted: December 02 2008 at 10:37
el böthy wrote:
Wow Moonchild has 2 votes! (will it get any more?)
Yes, I think I'm going to vote for it actually, as it's just as perfect as the rest.
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: December 02 2008 at 10:42
Probably Epitaph, but I love the whole album.
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: December 02 2008 at 11:03
this was done not long ago. It still has to be the definitive title cut for me, but strong arguments exist for 3 other songs, and an entertainable argument for Moonchild. GREAT album and one of the few generally regarded masterpieces of the big prog groups that I actually agree with.
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: December 02 2008 at 11:14
Title track for me, followed by 21st century.
In my Top 10 all time albums.
Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: December 02 2008 at 11:27
1. 21st Century Scizoid Man 2. In the Court of the Crimson King 3. I talk to the Wind 4. Moonchild 5. Epitaph
Not that any of the tracks are bad!
Posted By: Zeadwing
Date Posted: December 02 2008 at 11:38
"The wall on which the prophets wrote, Is cracking at the seams."
My god Epitaph is just unbelievable! Strange that so many would consider it the weakest on the album...
------------- "A drop in the ocean,
A significant motion."
-Shaun-
Posted By: poslednijat_colobar
Date Posted: December 02 2008 at 11:53
I voted for Epitaph!
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: December 02 2008 at 11:56
Epitaph is the only track I can now listen to. The rest are just SO dated.
------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life.
Posted By: Zeadwing
Date Posted: December 02 2008 at 11:57
poslednijat_colobar wrote:
I voted for Epitaph!
Haha! My faith in humanity is restored.
------------- "A drop in the ocean,
A significant motion."
-Shaun-
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: December 02 2008 at 12:01
I don't enjoy KC as many Prog fans do, except for Lizard and Islands which I love. Though from this album I can take a good bunch of dosis of 21st Century Schizoid Man.
Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: December 02 2008 at 12:15
Going for Schizoid.
Posted By: Astrodomine
Date Posted: December 02 2008 at 12:25
I Talk To The Wind for me, brings some old souvenirs
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: December 02 2008 at 13:36
21st Century for me.
This is one of my least favorite KC albums, believe it or not.
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: December 02 2008 at 14:41
Very Difficult decision but 21ts gets my vote.
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: December 02 2008 at 14:53
The title track is my favourite from this somewhat overrated album. Epitaph is a good second.
Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: December 03 2008 at 02:06
21st Century Schizoid Man with Moon Child a close second. I like all the "noodling" on Moon Child and the jazzy elements of Schizoid.
------------- "Music is the Wine that fills the cup of Silence"
- Robert Fripp
Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: December 05 2008 at 05:38
I've just got the Cd Remaster of this album, and thought I'd put them in order of my favourites, as some others have already done:-
1. The Court of The Crimson King - brilliant, brilliant track and easily best on the album
2. I Talk To The Wind - gorgeous mellow tune, influential too, love it
3. 21st Century Schizoid Man - I especially love the extremely influential instrumental section
4. Epitaph - very nice song
5. Moonchild - nice start then a load of nonsense really
Essential album, and the remaster (compared to my old vinyl) sounds really great.
Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: March 09 2010 at 18:57
Epitaph.
Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: March 09 2010 at 19:11
^ Kudos to Morningrise for using the search function.
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: March 09 2010 at 19:15
Voted for the title track as it still sends shivers of delight up my rodent spine after all these years. The album as a whole is hardly a masterpiece, notwithstanding it's pivotal status to the genre and it's clear far reaching influence on all the artists who followed in its wake. The 5 votes for Moonchild strike this poster as consumers deeming the air in the balloon animal to be part of the design.
(Cue impassioned defence of the labyrinthine conceptual rigour of stoned hippy noodling )
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Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: March 09 2010 at 19:28
"21st Century Schizoid Man" for me! My first KC track, and it was love at first sight. On more and more listens, I've grown to love it even more. About a year go, I would have said the title track, but it's a rather simplistic song even though it's long.
Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: March 09 2010 at 19:49
Roland113 wrote:
^ Kudos to Morningrise for using the search function.
haha, I was going to do this poll but I was sure it had been done before, so...I just simply had to vote for epitaph.
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: March 09 2010 at 20:05
21st Century Schizoid Man for me. I love every song except for Moonchild, though.
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: March 09 2010 at 21:01
gottagetintogetout wrote:
"21st Century Schizoid Man" for me! My first KC track, and it was love at first sight. On more and more listens, I've grown to love it even more. About a year go, I would have said the title track, but it's a rather simplistic song even though it's long.
Even so, it is a pretty decent song. I vote 21st Century... as well.
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: March 09 2010 at 21:18
I definitly go for Epitaph, for me the best moment from Greg Lake on Vocals, I really love it. So far, this is my fav KC album, and find it unlikely any other could take it's place for me. As a matter of fact it's grown on my apreciation. The first tracks I loved were Epitaph and the Title track, 21st Century was too noisy for me and the other 2 too boring. Then I came to apreciate 21st Century thanks to hearing it live on Collectible King Crimson Vol 1 (I still like better this other version, much more powerful, and the annoying -for me- sax replaced by the violin worked fine for me). Then I came to apreciate Moonchild (only the sung section, the long instrumental is still too much for me), which I find rather beautiful, and last I came to apreciate I Talke to the Wind, though it's still the weakest for me (appart from the long instrumental section from Moonchile).
Posted By: The Wrinkler
Date Posted: March 09 2010 at 21:33
I talk to the wind, but epitaph is so epic!
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: March 10 2010 at 00:05
Lota wrote:
Epitaph no doubt
Si Senor!
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: March 10 2010 at 01:09
gottagetintogetout wrote:
"21st Century Schizoid Man" for me! My first KC track, and it was love at first sight. On more and more listens, I've grown to love it even more. About a year go, I would have said the title track, but it's a rather simplistic song even though it's long.
Simplistic =/= bad, though. I'll have to listen to the album soon and vote here.
Posted By: MFP
Date Posted: March 10 2010 at 07:07
21st Century Schizoid Man
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: March 10 2010 at 07:22
C'mon - it's MoonChild!
The others are all so obvious - easy listening in comparison.
MoonChild is hardcore.
------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning.
Posted By: Tuonela
Date Posted: March 10 2010 at 08:46
That's tough... voted for Court, but it's all equally good really...
Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: March 10 2010 at 15:21
SaltyJon wrote:
gottagetintogetout wrote:
"21st Century Schizoid Man" for me! My first KC track, and it was love at first sight. On more and more listens, I've grown to love it even more. About a year go, I would have said the title track, but it's a rather simplistic song even though it's long.
Simplistic =/= bad, though. I'll have to listen to the album soon and vote here.
Of course not. I'm not denying it's a great song. It's just not as progressive as "21st Century Schizoid Man" or "Epitaph."
Posted By: Bitterblogger
Date Posted: March 10 2010 at 19:26
21st!
--McDonald's wicked sax
--Lake's savage vocal
--Giles' meticulous drumming
--and then there's Bob, ripping it up. . .
Posted By: b4usleep
Date Posted: March 11 2010 at 10:14
21st Century Schizoid Man comes first
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My words but a whisper, your deafness a shout.
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 11 2010 at 11:32
Padraic wrote:
Probably Epitaph, but I love the whole album.
Same for me..
------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: March 11 2010 at 15:07
An all time fav album but my vote went for ;Epitaph becuase my wife loves this song and she doesn't like prog at all! She is always making fun fo my heroes...
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: March 11 2010 at 16:38
The title track, with Epitaph very close behind.
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: March 11 2010 at 17:05
Title track for me. This track introduced the amazing sound of the Mellotron to a vast, new audience.
However, the musicianship on "Schizoid Man" is just amazing!! I LOVE Lake's bass on that one, give it a hard listen sometime!
Fripp described the making of that song to a very small audience in a record store in Chicago back about 1981, it was hilarious! "Now, EVERYONE SOLO!!"
King Fripp gave the command, and it was made so!
Posted By: Bitterblogger
Date Posted: March 11 2010 at 18:33
Vompatti wrote:
The title track, with Epitaph very close behind.
Speaking of Epitaph, what happened to Winona?
Posted By: Johnnytuba
Date Posted: March 11 2010 at 18:45
Outstanding opener to an outstanding debut album!
------------- "The things that we're concealing, will never let us grow.
Time will do its healing, you've got to let it go.
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: March 16 2010 at 04:41
Schizoid Man has now come of age.
Confusion will be his Epitaph, Lake took that into ELP with him, must've had something going for it. Moonchild is such a great ballad that fits in with the album so well. Stilll find the middle section off putting though.
I wonder what tracks KC auditioned with (then) possible singers Bryan Ferry and Elton John?
"Do you remember when prog was young? Me and Frippy had so much fun..." What may have been Crocodile Prog. But isn't!
Still, Funeral For A Friend / Love Lies Bleeding and maybe Song For Guy may be prog rock in the mainstream.
Oops, more scarcely relevant tangents in a framework.
Posted By: Tsevir Leirbag
Date Posted: March 17 2010 at 18:58
21st Century Schizoid Man followed by Moonchild.
They're both awesome.
------------- Les mains, les pieds balancés
Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers,
Un marin mort,
Il dormira
- Paul Éluard
Posted By: InfiniteWake
Date Posted: March 17 2010 at 19:20
The Court is my choice, but it wasn't an easy one.
Posted By: Rochacrimson
Date Posted: March 17 2010 at 19:28
The court!
Great variations of mellotron and fantastic chorus!
------------- Pedro Rocha
Posted By: CinemaZebra
Date Posted: March 19 2010 at 18:51
The Court, no contest for me.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 19 2010 at 20:13
Certif1ed wrote:
C'mon - it's MoonChild!
The others are all so obvious - easy listening in comparison.
MoonChild is hardcore.
voting for Moonchild as well...
why..
Micky wrote:
February 20 2007
oh man... one of the most godawful pieces of ....music I've heard in
my life (Celine Dion anyday )
Remember the last time I tried to listen to it... my ears actually
hemorraged blood.
and I did a complete 180 on it... and actually enjoy listening to it...
Now this is what I call a review. Insightful, instructive and illustrated. Words beginning with an I this time...
The instrumental section of Moonchild was a piece with which I used to think I had a problem. No more. The reviwer suggested great stereo speakers and really loud to get the detail and appreciate the climactic power of the title track more. True my speakers are only average; I could have used headphones and maybe I couls have played it louder. But I think I got it.
It was pointed out to me once here that the instrumental is a deconstruction and reconstruction of Moonchild. This review illustrates and elabotrates on that point and finally it broke through (to me.) I always maintain I am ready to be proved wrong. Here I have been and most happily.
ITCOTCK is without doubt one of the most unique, cohesive and imaginative recordings of music (as opposed to nearly.) I think this poll now illustares the futility of taking a piece out of context (as I did.) It's not the first prog rock /symphonic album but it is by far and away the most forward thinking. By eschewing current music trends. unlike the Moodies who did have the first prog rock album (Days Of Future Passed) this album is really the best of the lot. Which given Procol, Nice and Moodies releases that is quite something but ITCOTCK is something else.
Now for the sequel...
Posted By: Anderson III
Date Posted: March 20 2010 at 04:58
Visitor13 wrote:
1. 21st c. Schizoid Man/Moonchild (voted Moonchild) 2. I Talk to the Wind 3. In the Court 4. Epitaph (the album's low point)
Wow! Somebody's making a lot of sense. It's quite difficult for me say which song is the best, but Epitaph is definitely the low point.
------------- "Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and cannot remain silent" - Victor Hugo
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 20 2010 at 08:26
uduwudu wrote:
micky wrote:
Certif1ed wrote:
C'mon - it's MoonChild!
The others are all so obvious - easy listening in comparison.
MoonChild is hardcore.
voting for Moonchild as well...
why..
Micky wrote:
February 20 2007
oh man... one of the most godawful pieces of ....music I've heard in
my life (Celine Dion anyday )
Remember the last time I tried to listen to it... my ears actually
hemorraged blood.
and I did a complete 180 on it... and actually enjoy listening to it...
Now this is what I call a review. Insightful, instructive and illustrated. Words beginning with an I this time...
The instrumental section of Moonchild was a piece with which I used to think I had a problem. No more. The reviwer suggested great stereo speakers and really loud to get the detail and appreciate the climactic power of the title track more. True my speakers are only average; I could have used headphones and maybe I couls have played it louder. But I think I got it.
It was pointed out to me once here that the instrumental is a deconstruction and reconstruction of Moonchild. This review illustrates and elabotrates on that point and finally it broke through (to me.) I always maintain I am ready to be proved wrong. Here I have been and most happily.
ITCOTCK is without doubt one of the most unique, cohesive and imaginative recordings of music (as opposed to nearly.) I think this poll now illustares the futility of taking a piece out of context (as I did.) It's not the first prog rock /symphonic album but it is by far and away the most forward thinking. By eschewing current music trends. unlike the Moodies who did have the first prog rock album (Days Of Future Passed) this album is really the best of the lot. Which given Procol, Nice and Moodies releases that is quite something but ITCOTCK is something else.
Now for the sequel...
yeah.. that is right up there with the best reviews I've ever read here. Definitely one of the very few that has changed how I look at an album.
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: March 20 2010 at 08:27
Anderson III wrote:
Visitor13 wrote:
1. 21st c. Schizoid Man/Moonchild (voted Moonchild) 2. I Talk to the Wind 3. In the Court 4. Epitaph (the album's low point)
Wow! Somebody's making a lot of sense. It's quite difficult for me say which song is the best, but Epitaph is definitely the low point.
I've always thought that Epitaph was the high point. Of course, the whole album is a high point.
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: March 30 2010 at 09:06
The first time i heard King Crimson it was 21st Century Schizoid Man
Since then i am addicted
Nothing can beat it
listen to it!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted By: RoeDent
Date Posted: March 30 2010 at 09:38
Tough choice between Epitaph and ...Court...; went for Epitaph.
Posted By: Pimpernal
Date Posted: March 30 2010 at 09:50
SO HARD!! But i think it's gonna Epitaph, nooo 21st century Schizoid man ?? No, i'm gonna pick Epitaph
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Posted By: elder08
Date Posted: March 30 2010 at 13:25
Ima have to say the court of the crimson king just because it got me into less popular prog and KC its self
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: March 31 2010 at 06:10
It is a difficult choice but I like 'em all really except <cough> Moonchild <cough>
see my review?
I got flamed for it by a fan on PM just cos i didn't like Moonchild!
5 stars
In The Court Of The Crimson King has become not only one of the most important albums of King Crimson but also one of the quintessential albums that spawned the progressive rock movement. Often quoted as the birth of prog rock, the album certainly encompasses all of the characteristics of the genre that we have grown to love: weird, jagged guitar licks, devastating drum time signatures that move outside the standard 4/4 rock signature, keyboards and mellotron pieces that balance the insanity, and all this punctuated by blazing blasts of saxophone that spiral out of control. In other words King Crimson at their best.
The influences of Jazz are prominent throughout and the band are so tight the music tends to punch holes within the fabric of the musicscapes. An example of this is in the awesome '21st Century Schizoid Man'. This song introduced me to the band and I have never looked back, getting hold of any King Crimson I can, I am proud to say I have been Krimsonized. You have to love a band that uses music to express themselves the way King Crimson does. Greg Lake's vocals in '21stCSM' are processed through a vocal transposer that make him sound like some terrible alien machine that is telling mankind where he is going wrong: "Politician's funeral pyre, Innocents raped with Napalm Fire."The lyrics are as potent as the Crim's can be. The feeling of alienation and a barren soundscape are exemplified in the way the song is structured. During the lyrics, a sense of minimalism is produced, then the wall of sound kicks in. The incredible sax and Robert Fripp's screaming guitar complement each other brilliantly throughout the opening half, and then it slows down for a moment before the time signature changes completely and there is an erratic saxophone that locks in and continues while a strange lead guitar howls and reverberates. One of the best things about this section is the way the music seems slightly off kilter, almost out of tune but not quite. There are moments where all instruments cease at once, pause and then begin on cue only to stop again in various rhythm patterns. It is quintessential listening for anyone interested in progressive rock.
Following this maelstrom of sound, the album settles down surprisingly, for where else could it go, into a very melancholy type of song, 'I Talk to the Wind'. This features Ian McDonald's woodwind and the soft vocals of Greg Lake. To be honest, it's not one of my favourite pieces, it all seems so safe and tranquil in comparison to the rest of the album, but I guess as a contrast it works well enough. 'Epitath' is a great track that has been partly resurrected by Greg Lake on ELP's excellent live epic 'Welcome Back My Friends to the Show That Never Ends' (the last few seconds on CD 1). It has a symphonic component that is created with a heavy blend of mellotron, keyboards and vibes. The lyrics are thought provoking "the wall on which the prophets write is cracking at the seams, upon the instruments of death the sunlight brightly gleams, when every man is torn apart with nightmares and with dreams..." this is where prog rock got its reputation for thought provoking lyrics. The stanzas are confusing, though enlightening and the lyrics revitalise the music, rather than detract. The two cannot exist without the other and are of equal importance. Peter Sinfield was responsible for some of the most provocative lyrics of the prog movement and he is credited on this album for 'words and illumination' interestingly enough.
'Moonchild' is the longest track and annoyingly tends to just go on and on, almost as a complete improvisation in the studio recorded without forethought at times. I know this is one of the most annoying things about this band that I love, but it is also the reason that they are outstanding; they do improvise in concert substantially, and it has garnered their reputation for jazz fusion. So it's a catch 22 - if you are into a band as experimental as King Crimson there are going to be moments in their repertoire that will infuriate you. Michael Giles drum patterns are interesting enough but unfortunately, as far as I am concerned, 'Moonchild' is just about the worst they have recorded. It should have been cut by about 6 minutes and there is too little going on for my tastes to even make this memorable. It is more or less a jazz improvisation and doesn't really go anywhere. Maybe this is why some fans adore it.
'The Court of The Crimson King' ends the album on a positive high note, although the album cover looks like the Crimson King is slowly being tortured to death. I absolutely cherish this song and it is one of the best prog tracks I have heard. Lake's vocals have never been better, and there are amazing flourishes of sweeping keyboards that send a chill down your spine. The sound goes from intense to very soft in waves and all is complimented by a stirring lyrical content: "The black queen chants the funeral march, the cracked brass bells will ring, to summon back the fire witch in the court of the crimson king."
On that note, in conclusion I will end this by stating the facts: if you care about the birth of progressive rock, if you like your prog jazzed up with a fusion of heavy mellotron, if you love saxophone interlaced with jagged guitar rhythms, if you have heard of this album but were worried to purchase it because it's so old, if you are into Emerson Lake & Palmer: look no further! This album encompasses all that makes prog rock so enticing, and in a sense it captures all that made King Crimson one of the leading progressive masters, brilliant but flawed geniuses. The Court of The Crimson King is, hands down, an essential purchase.
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Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: March 31 2010 at 07:04
Until a week or so ago this was what I thought of the Moonchild instrumental section. Lotsof ideas that go nowhere.
That was until I was pointed to a review that advised listening to it at a very loud volume; let the detail emerge and the magic becomes clear. Good speakers were advised but I have to make do with mine or the excellent headphones.
I can't remember whose review it was (thanks to the guy who pointed it out) - but it worked for me. Now the album is perfect in everyway.
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: March 31 2010 at 18:02
Interesting poll results. Would have been even more interesting had there been a "can't choose anything but the whole album" (as it was intended to be heard) option.