Print Page | Close Window

Rush vs Led Zeppelin

Printed From: Progarchives.com
Category: Progressive Music Lounges
Forum Name: Prog Polls
Forum Description: Create polls on topics related to progressive music
URL: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53437
Printed Date: November 26 2024 at 11:25
Software Version: Web Wiz Forums 11.01 - http://www.webwizforums.com


Topic: Rush vs Led Zeppelin
Posted By: ModernRocker79
Subject: Rush vs Led Zeppelin
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 12:08
 I think Rush vs Led Zeppelin is a more interesting poll.  So who would you vote for?



Replies:
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 12:18
Still Rush for me.  Now Led Zeppelin -vs- The Beatles is a tough call for me.  LOL

-------------


Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 12:22
Rush, no question about it.


Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 12:23
Yeah, Rush for me too.


Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 12:27
Led Zeppelin are S-U-P-E-R-B.
Rush never appealed to me.
Hallelujah.


Posted By: trackstoni
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 12:30
    Led Zeppelin   in this poll , the Beatles in the other one ///   ( i like Rush  since the late  70's )  But imo , Zep  & Beatles must win these polls easily ///

-------------
Tracking Tracks of Rock


Posted By: Rutgers Joe
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 12:48
I'm sure the members of Rush would get a chuckle from the existence of this poll.
 
 


-------------
The original (and very creepy) cover of THE STEVE HOWE ALBUM...hint...look in the water...



Posted By: Isengard
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 12:52

Since the inaugural Rush album is basically a Zeppelin retread................my vote is for Led Zeppelin. 

 

 



Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 12:59
Rush is way more interesting.

And they're still rocking.  Together.


-------------
https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays


Posted By: Hawkwise
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 13:12
YawnssssssssssssssssssssSleepy    

-------------


Posted By: poslednijat_colobar
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 13:17
For me Led Zeppelin!


Posted By: Luke. J
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 13:23
Rush is a great band.
Led Zeppelin are legends.
 
To clarify my point, I think Rush have some very good and interesting albums, yet the music of Led Zeppelin appeals to me more. They influenced rock music as one of the most important bands of the 70's with at least four albums to be considered classics of rock music. Rush on the other hand are also a big name, yet they are neither as innovative (though there is still a dispute whether Led Zeppelin ever have been) nor as much as a musical monument as Led Zeppelin. To me, this poll, same as the "Beatles against Rush" poll, features a band with legendary status and.. Rush. Without a doubt they are a great band, but to me will never reach the same status as Led Zeppelin. And, besides their debut album, Rush hardly is comparable to Led Zeppelin, to me the only thing in common being that they have guitar, bass, drums and vocals.
 
To make it short: I simply like Led Zeppelin more Big smile


Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 13:38
Originally posted by Luke. J Luke. J wrote:

Rush is a great band.
Led Zeppelin are legends.



I agree! Approve
Even if Rush is a great band, they're far behind Led Zeppelin.


Posted By: Isengard
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 13:43
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Rush is way more interesting.

And they're still rocking.  Together.
 
While I am GLAD Rush are still rocking and still together, I wouldn't count this as a reason as to why Rush are better.    Both had their share of tragedy given the deaths fo Bonham and the recent passing of John Rutsey.......Plant lost a son.....Peart lost his wife and daughter.    Zep quit after Bonham died and they shouldn't be faulted for that.   
 
As for Rush being more interesting, not sure about that one either.  
 
I am a fan of both. This was the hardest poll yet.  


Posted By: peskypesky
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 14:13
Easy. Led Zeppelin.

But I love Rush, nonetheless. 


-------------
Prog fan since 1974.


Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 14:44
Originally posted by Isengard Isengard wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Rush is way more interesting.

And they're still rocking.  Together.
 
While I am GLAD Rush are still rocking and still together, I wouldn't count this as a reason as to why Rush are better.    Both had their share of tragedy given the deaths fo Bonham and the recent passing of John Rutsey.......Plant lost a son.....Peart lost his wife and daughter.    Zep quit after Bonham died and they shouldn't be faulted for that.   
 
As for Rush being more interesting, not sure about that one either.  
 
I am a fan of both. This was the hardest poll yet.  


I think there is always something to be said for longevity, perseverance, and consistency.  But I do find Peart's lyrics more thought-provoking (science, literature, even satire), and Lee's bass playing is incredibly innovative.

Not to say Led Zeppelin I don't like, by no means- just between the two, it's no question for me.


-------------
https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays


Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 14:58
Rush by far.
 
Though LZ best moments are really great..


-------------


Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 15:06
Tough, but Rush fans must admit that without Zep there would be no Rush. Of course Rush may have been proggier, but Zep with Achilles Last Stand really matches up the amazing epic of Rush, 2112. As well as Stairway to Heaven and No Quarter can match any of the 2 awesome epics from Caress. 

Both really incredible bands, very tough. For me, Zep has II and I as my faves. And Rush has Caress of Steel and 2112.

VERY difficult choice, but I must go for Zep.


Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 16:07

MAN!!!!!! This is a hard one.....

I can't even vote. I love both bands...
However in the early 70's Albums ZEp is the winner, but as the band approached  the end of the 70's I didn't really like them that much.
However, RUSH is the late 70's and 80's were the best band in the world..
 so I guess I will vote for RUSH......
 


-------------
http://darksideofcollages.blogspot.com/
http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Darksideof-Collages/


Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 16:10
Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

Tough, but Rush fans must admit that without Zep there would be no Rush. Of course Rush may have been proggier, but Zep with Achilles Last Stand really matches up the amazing epic of Rush, 2112. As well as Stairway to Heaven and No Quarter can match any of the 2 awesome epics from Caress. 

Both really incredible bands, very tough. For me, Zep has II and I as my faves. And Rush has Caress of Steel and 2112.

VERY difficult choice, but I must go for Zep.
 I Agree Tongue


-------------
http://darksideofcollages.blogspot.com/
http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Darksideof-Collages/


Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 16:12
Originally posted by Isengard Isengard wrote:

Since the inaugural Rush album is basically a Zeppelin retread................my vote is for Led Zeppelin. 

 


Funny, I voted for Rush based on their multitude of albums that came after the first one.



Posted By: Isengard
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 16:14
^^
 
True, but Rush was influenced by Zeppelin, so I'll go with the original.     I am a Rush fan as well.


Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 16:22
...that doesn't mean anything...


they were also influenced by Cream and Yes along with many others...


so I guess Muddy Waters is better than Hendrix?


Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 16:23
Originally posted by Isengard Isengard wrote:

^^
 
True, but Rush was influenced by Zeppelin, so I'll go with the original.     I am a Rush fan as well.


While the influence on the first album was significant (an understatement, really), I feel Rush progressed beyond the influence - even as early as 2112 and certainly on Farewell I don't think of Zeppelin at all. 

Certainly Zep's debut along with Cream were instrumental influences for Geddy and Alex, and Neil was doing Who covers for the gig he had before Rush.


Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 17:09
Rush, but with compliments to Led Zeppelin.


Posted By: Alberto Muņoz
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 17:17
Led Zeppelin, Rush started like a Led Zep wanabees... any doubts, listen to the first albumWink

-------------






Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 17:23
Originally posted by Alberto Muņoz Alberto Muņoz wrote:

Led Zeppelin, Rush started like a Led Zep wanabees... any doubts, listen to the first albumWink


What about the 17 studio albums that came after that?  Wink


Posted By: Alberto Muņoz
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 17:24
Originally posted by King By-Tor King By-Tor wrote:

...that doesn't mean anything...
 
No, actually it means a lot my friend, Rush were inspired by the zepps to a larger extent, the instruments, the brand of heavyness in Rush music, owe much to Zepp's, of course Rush were not going to be a Zep clonesm, so they progressed, but the influences are there.


they were also influenced by Cream and Yes along with many others...
 
Of course but i you hear carefully the first album and the Fly by Night album, they owe very much to the Led Zepps


so I guess Muddy Waters is better than Hendrix?
 
Waters make raw basic blues that influece a lot in Hendrix play and Hendrix never deny that origin.
Hendrix actually improve the influected blues origin with other types of music like jazz and rock of course.
 
Is not the question who is better or not.
it's a matter of taste.
Wink
 
 
 


-------------






Posted By: Alberto Muņoz
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 17:29
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by Alberto Muņoz Alberto Muņoz wrote:

Led Zeppelin, Rush started like a Led Zep wanabees... any doubts, listen to the first albumWink


What about the 17 studio albums that came after that?  Wink
 
The influences of Led Zep in Rush i think lives until the A Farewell to Kings came.
 
In 2112 sounds hint of the heavyness of Zep, example? The Temple of Syrinx.
In 2112 sound the delicate ballad acoustic influence of Zepp  example: Tears.
 
And to clarify to all die hard Rush fans: influence is not equal to copy. ok??Wink
 
Then like they said in his first double album a first chapter is close, and a new chapter begin.
 


-------------






Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 17:31
This is a no-brainer for me.  Much like the Rush vs. Magma poll.  Rush it is on both counts.  I've been a big fan of Rush now for close to 20 years.  I was never a big fan of Zep.  I don't think I've made much of a secret about that either.  They did two or three songs that I really like.  "Battle of Evermore" and "No Quarter" come to mind, but otherwise, I think the hype was a lot bigger than the music deserved. 
 
Yes, Rush did sound quite a bit like Zep on their first album, which is the primary reason that the first Rush albums is one of my least favorite albums by them.  Fortunately, they left that all behind them and moved on to much greater things. 


-------------
I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?


Posted By: dzx
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 17:32
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Rush by far.
 
Though LZ best moments are really great..
 
Which is the prob for me with Zep, when they are good they are outstanding, when they are bad..........you can throw away about half of their songs. Rush I didnt like at first but grew into them, their albums starting from 2112 to Moving Pictures are consistently excellent and great prog, not to say that there are other great moments on the other albums....Mystic Rhythms anyone


-------------
was that just an Am augmented minor 9th i heard? nice!


Posted By: zachfive
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 17:34
Individually the members of Rush are, imo, more talented musicians.So much of LZ stuff sounds the same, Rush is constantly re-inventing their style and sound. So like in the previous Beatles poll, my vote goes for Rush. And as for Zep being an influence on Rush, I'm sorry, but what Led Zep song did they cover in their Feedback album, oh thats right, none...(no Beatles cover either) not to say they didnt influence Rush but maybe not as heavily as people asume.



Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 17:37

I would like to point out to the OP that he made a mistake in this poll though.  And I don't think I'm the first to discover it.  Vote early, vote often!!! Wink



-------------
I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?


Posted By: Alberto Muņoz
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 17:37
They really dressed like  i do not know LOL:
 
Alex is in a "strange "  Tonguepose, don't you think?,


-------------






Posted By: Alberto Muņoz
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 17:39
Originally posted by zachfive zachfive wrote:

Individually the members of Rush are, imo, more talented musicians.So much of LZ stuff sounds the same, Rush is constantly re-inventing their style and sound. So like in the previous Beatles poll, my vote goes for Rush. And as for Zep being an influence on Rush, I'm sorry, but what Led Zep song did they cover in their Feedback album, oh thats right, none...(no Beatles cover either) not to say they didnt influence Rush but maybe not as heavily as people asume.

Do they have to do one?? please what a bland argument you do...LOL


-------------






Posted By: Yorkie X
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 17:42
Originally posted by ModernRocker79 ModernRocker79 wrote:

 I think Rush vs Led Zeppelin is a more interesting poll.  So who would you vote for?
More interesting hey ?  lets see how close it is around the 50 vote mark  .....


Posted By: zachfive
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 17:46
Originally posted by Alberto Muņoz Alberto Muņoz wrote:

Originally posted by zachfive zachfive wrote:

Individually the members of Rush are, imo, more talented musicians.So much of LZ stuff sounds the same, Rush is constantly re-inventing their style and sound. So like in the previous Beatles poll, my vote goes for Rush. And as for Zep being an influence on Rush, I'm sorry, but what Led Zep song did they cover in their Feedback album, oh thats right, none...(no Beatles cover either) not to say they didnt influence Rush but maybe not as heavily as people asume.

Do they have to do one?? please what a bland argument you do...LOL


No they do not HAVE to do a LZ cover. But when a band like Rush comes out with an album of cover songs from bands that they said had influenced them in their youth; it is an important observation that there is an absence of LZ. Especially when it seems that a lot of people think that with out Zepplin there would be no Rush.


Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 17:46
Originally posted by Alberto Muņoz Alberto Muņoz wrote:

Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by Alberto Muņoz Alberto Muņoz wrote:

Led Zeppelin, Rush started like a Led Zep wanabees... any doubts, listen to the first albumWink


What about the 17 studio albums that came after that?  Wink
 
The influences of Led Zep in Rush i think lives until the A Farewell to Kings came.
 
In 2112 sounds hint of the heavyness of Zep, example? The Temple of Syrinx.
In 2112 sound the delicate ballad acoustic influence of Zepp  example: Tears.
 
And to clarify to all die hard Rush fans: influence is not equal to copy. ok??Wink
 
Then like they said in his first double album a first chapter is close, and a new chapter begin.
 


Agree completely! 2112 was their last album to feature notable Zep influences.


Posted By: Hawkwise
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 17:49
Rush   Yawwwnnnnnnssssssssss Rush Yawwnsssssssssss Question

-------------


Posted By: Alberto Muņoz
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 17:51
Originally posted by zachfive zachfive wrote:

Originally posted by Alberto Muņoz Alberto Muņoz wrote:

Originally posted by zachfive zachfive wrote:

Individually the members of Rush are, imo, more talented musicians.So much of LZ stuff sounds the same, Rush is constantly re-inventing their style and sound. So like in the previous Beatles poll, my vote goes for Rush. And as for Zep being an influence on Rush, I'm sorry, but what Led Zep song did they cover in their Feedback album, oh thats right, none...(no Beatles cover either) not to say they didnt influence Rush but maybe not as heavily as people asume.

Do they have to do one?? please what a bland argument you do...LOL


No they do not HAVE to do a LZ cover. But when a band like Rush comes out with an album of cover songs from bands that they said had influenced them in their youth; it is an important observation that there is an absence of LZ. Especially when it seems that a lot of people think that with out Zepplin there would be no Rush.
 
Please Zach, listen to their first albums, Rush, Fly By Night, Caress of Steel and 2112, if you hear right, you can even look (if you can look to the music Tongue) the Led Zepp influences, they are very clear like crystal, or if you do not mind i can put examples of these albums to see the Zepp's influences on rush early output.
 
So, when  i said earlier, since A Farewell to Kings, Rush is out of Zepp's influence. 


-------------






Posted By: Alberto Muņoz
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 18:01
ok First Album: Working Man not only with Zeppīs cruchy riffs, even i hear "deuce" in backwards!!!
Finding My way: Geddy shout a la plant, the Lifeson Riff is an elemental one and  used by the Zepp's (in more elaborate way)  in the magnificient "The Songs Remains the Same".
Here Again: A very good acoustic number than have more Zepp influence, even i hear  Grand Funk's Heartbraker's pace!!
 
In Before and After  the main riff and the middle riif in the Lifeson solo are power riffs that Zeppelin pioneering in Out of The Tiles,  and the main riff of the powerful Bring it on Home for example. 
 


-------------






Posted By: peskypesky
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 18:07
Rush definitely started out with a major Led Zep influence. No shame in that. But then when Peart joined the band, I think they started looking for a way to combine the heaviness of Zep with the complexity of Yes. Again, no shame in that. Zeppelin and Yes both had their influences. Plant's vocals were clearly influenced by Janis Joplin and obviously Zeppelin were heavily indebted to the blues. Yes's vocals were clearly influenced by Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young.

So Rush went from hard rock to prog rock. They evolved and explored.

I can see someone prefering Rush to Zeppelin, as that is merely a matter of personal taste. But there can be no doubt that Zeppelin is by far the more important and influential band. 

But since this is a poll about personal preference, Rush seems to be winning the battle here at PA.




-------------
Prog fan since 1974.


Posted By: Alberto Muņoz
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 18:11
Check this :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_%28band - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_(band )
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Rush - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Rush  
And they actually divided the periods of the history of Rush, reason are on my side...


-------------






Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 18:13
Originally posted by Alberto Muņoz Alberto Muņoz wrote:

Check this :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_%28band - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_(band )
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Rush - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Rush  
And they actually divided the periods of the history of Rush, reason are on my side...
 
Totally.  This is what I got when I clicked on your link:
 

Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name. Please http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search/Rush_%28band - search for Rush (band in Wikipedia to check for alternative titles or spellings.

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rush_%28band&action=edit - Start the Rush (band article or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_articles - add a request for it .
  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search/Rush_%28band - Search for "Rush (band" in existing articles.
  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Rush_%28band - Look for pages within Wikipedia that link to this title .

Other reasons this message may be displayed:

  • If a page was recently created here, it may not yet be visible because of a delay in updating the database; wait a few minutes and try the http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rush_%28band&action=purge - purge function.
  • Titles on Wikipedia are http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_sensitivity - case sensitive except for the first character; please check alternate capitalizations and consider adding a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirect - redirect here to the correct title.
  • If the page has been deleted, check the http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=Rush_%28band - deletion log , and see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Why_was_my_page_deleted%3F - Why was my page deleted? .
LOL


-------------
I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?


Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 18:28
The first hyper text link is missing the needed parenthesis in the url -- try this -->  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_%28band%29 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_(band)

-------------
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts


Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 18:33
Oh I know Logan.  I'm just giving him some "fluff" (edited by the auto-censor) Wink.  I actually found the real link before I posted that.  Tongue

-------------
I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 18:35
Originally posted by Luke. J Luke. J wrote:

Rush on the other hand are also a big name, yet they are neither as innovative (though there is still a dispute whether Led Zeppelin ever have been) nor as much as a musical monument as Led Zeppelin.


I don't think there's much dispute about Zep's innovations, their being labeled as thieves unfair considering most bands took directly from other artists..  in fact Zep often credited the bluesmen they took from unlike others who rarely acknowledged the blues and rock 'n roll roots taken form Elvis, Beach Boys, Little Richard




Posted By: JROCHA
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 18:37
Rush !!!!


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 18:38
Originally posted by Alberto Muņoz Alberto Muņoz wrote:

 
In Before and After  the main riff and the middle riif in the Lifeson solo are power riffs that Zeppelin pioneering in Out of The Tiles,  and the main riff of the powerful Bring it on Home for example. 
 


'Out on the Tiles' actually features distinct Yardbirds riffs, and 'Bring it on Home' was a standard blues rhythm




Posted By: Alberto Muņoz
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 18:38
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Oh I know Logan.  I'm just giving him some "fluff" (edited by the auto-censor) Wink.  I actually found the real link before I posted that.  Tongue
TongueTongueTongueLOLLOLLOLWink


-------------






Posted By: Alberto Muņoz
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 18:40
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Alberto Muņoz Alberto Muņoz wrote:

 
In Before and After  the main riff and the middle riif in the Lifeson solo are power riffs that Zeppelin pioneering in Out of The Tiles,  and the main riff of the powerful Bring it on Home for example. 
 


'Out on the Tiles' actually features distinct Yardbirds riffs, and 'Bring it on Home' was a standard blues rhythm


And Rush "Before and After" are the same...Wink
 
and Zepp Amplificate those riffs and played like no one before...


-------------






Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 18:43
Originally posted by Alberto Muņoz Alberto Muņoz wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Alberto Muņoz Alberto Muņoz wrote:

 
In Before and After  the main riff and the middle riif in the Lifeson solo are power riffs that Zeppelin pioneering in Out of The Tiles,  and the main riff of the powerful Bring it on Home for example. 
 


'Out on the Tiles' actually features distinct Yardbirds riffs, and 'Bring it on Home' was a standard blues rhythm


 
 
and Zepp Amplificate those riffs and played like no one before...


correct






Posted By: Wetheliving
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 18:43
This was very hard as Rush and Zep are my two favorite bands.........nonetheless Rush still wins by a landslide! Improvisation is cool but I like long orchestrated stuff better, not to mention Rush has lyrics that I just adore (I live by some of them) and Zeppelin's, while funny in masculine circles don't really mean anything. But as again , they are my second favorite band.



-------------
We will call you Cygnus, the god of balance you shall be!


Posted By: Alberto Muņoz
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 18:56
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Alberto Muņoz Alberto Muņoz wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Alberto Muņoz Alberto Muņoz wrote:

 
In Before and After  the main riff and the middle riif in the Lifeson solo are power riffs that Zeppelin pioneering in Out of The Tiles,  and the main riff of the powerful Bring it on Home for example. 
 


'Out on the Tiles' actually features distinct Yardbirds riffs, and 'Bring it on Home' was a standard blues rhythm


 
 
and Zepp Amplificate those riffs and played like no one before...


correct
David as far as i know you have to listen as many concerts of Zepp as i, and you know the 1969 tour has many moments that rarely were playing in the studio.
 
Like for example the As Long as a Have You medley.





-------------






Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 19:00
Zepp did some great stuff, but their live shows could be messy. They just weren't as good musicians as Rush, who are much more technically consistent.

Rush for me.


-------------
A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life.


Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 19:11
Originally posted by Alberto Muņoz Alberto Muņoz wrote:

Originally posted by King By-Tor King By-Tor wrote:

...that doesn't mean anything...
 
No, actually it means a lot my friend, Rush were inspired by the zepps to a larger extent, the instruments, the brand of heavyness in Rush music, owe much to Zepp's, of course Rush were not going to be a Zep clonesm, so they progressed, but the influences are there.

No, we're talking preference - it still means nothing. Take both bands, eliminate influence and who came first and THEN answer the question Wink


they were also influenced by Cream and Yes along with many others...
 
Of course but i you hear carefully the first album and the Fly by Night album, they owe very much to the Led Zepps

Yes, but that was their second album, what about the other 17? They soon ditched that sound. And yes, I do know the stories of people hearing "Working Man" on the radio and asking about the new Zeppelin album


so I guess Muddy Waters is better than Hendrix?
 
Waters make raw basic blues that influece a lot in Hendrix play and Hendrix never deny that origin.
Hendrix actually improve the influected blues origin with other types of music like jazz and rock of course.

So the apprentice is better than the master? Tongue

Is not the question who is better or not.
it's a matter of taste.
Wink

yeah. Read my first responce.
 
 
 


Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 19:26
Rush for me, obviously. To me, LZ were always a heavily blues-based rock band, and they stayed that way through their entire career. A few of their songs are.....okay, but they never were a band that impressed me much, probably not at all actually.


-------------


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 19:28
Originally posted by Alberto Muņoz Alberto Muņoz wrote:

[
David as far as i know you have to listen as many concerts of Zepp as i, and you know the 1969 tour has many moments that rarely were playing in the studio.
 
Like for example the As Long as a Have You medley.


yes, they were almost an oldies tribute band till they had enough original material  LOL








Posted By: Alberto Muņoz
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 19:34
Originally posted by King By-Tor King By-Tor wrote:

Originally posted by Alberto Muņoz Alberto Muņoz wrote:

Originally posted by King By-Tor King By-Tor wrote:

...that doesn't mean anything...
 
No, actually it means a lot my friend, Rush were inspired by the zepps to a larger extent, the instruments, the brand of heavyness in Rush music, owe much to Zepp's, of course Rush were not going to be a Zep clonesm, so they progressed, but the influences are there.

No, we're talking preference - it still means nothing. Take both bands, eliminate influence and who came first and THEN answer the question Wink


they were also influenced by Cream and Yes along with many others...
 
Of course but i you hear carefully the first album and the Fly by Night album, they owe very much to the Led Zepps

Yes, but that was their second album, what about the other 17? They soon ditched that sound. And yes, I do know the stories of people hearing "Working Man" on the radio and asking about the new Zeppelin album


so I guess Muddy Waters is better than Hendrix?
 
Waters make raw basic blues that influece a lot in Hendrix play and Hendrix never deny that origin.
Hendrix actually improve the influected blues origin with other types of music like jazz and rock of course.

So the apprentice is better than the master? Tongue

Is not the question who is better or not.
it's a matter of taste.
Wink

yeah. Read my first responce.
 
 
 
 
Oh i forgot that i talk with a rush fan boy.
 
Wink


-------------






Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 19:36
What about my post constituted fanboyism? Yes, I'm a fanboy, but I think my response was pretty objective


Just respond to the arguement


Posted By: Alberto Muņoz
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 19:44
Originally posted by King By-Tor King By-Tor wrote:

What about my post constituted fanboyism? Yes, I'm a fanboy, but I think my response was pretty objective
 
When you say "it's a matter of taste", subjective wins!, you cacht my pointWink

Just respond to the arguement
 
No, in this time no, i always respond the topics but with a die hard, better is silenceTongueWink


-------------






Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 19:45
Ermm... Confused


no... you missed my point


Posted By: Alberto Muņoz
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 19:47
Originally posted by King By-Tor King By-Tor wrote:

Ermm... Confused


no... you missed my point
 
well... maybe you do not explain so well...Big smile


-------------






Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 19:50


I explained it just fine.


In a poll where preference is in question it shouldn't matter who influenced who and who came first.


Posted By: Alberto Muņoz
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 19:53
..........Exclamation

-------------






Posted By: zachfive
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 19:54
Originally posted by Alberto Muņoz Alberto Muņoz wrote:

Originally posted by zachfive zachfive wrote:

Originally posted by Alberto Muņoz Alberto Muņoz wrote:

Originally posted by zachfive zachfive wrote:

Individually the members of Rush are, imo, more talented musicians.So much of LZ stuff sounds the same, Rush is constantly re-inventing their style and sound. So like in the previous Beatles poll, my vote goes for Rush. And as for Zep being an influence on Rush, I'm sorry, but what Led Zep song did they cover in their Feedback album, oh thats right, none...(no Beatles cover either) not to say they didnt influence Rush but maybe not as heavily as people asume.

Do they have to do one?? please what a bland argument you do...LOL


No they do not HAVE to do a LZ cover. But when a band like Rush comes out with an album of cover songs from bands that they said had influenced them in their youth; it is an important observation that there is an absence of LZ. Especially when it seems that a lot of people think that with out Zepplin there would be no Rush.
 
Please Zach, listen to their first albums, Rush, Fly By Night, Caress of Steel and 2112, if you hear right, you can even look (if you can look to the music Tongue) the Led Zepp influences, they are very clear like crystal, or if you do not mind i can put examples of these albums to see the Zepp's influences on rush early output.
 
So, when  i said earlier, since A Farewell to Kings, Rush is out of Zepp's influence. 

I never once said that LZ had no influence on Rush, because, like you so clearly pointed out they do. What I was merely suggesting was that the influence Zeppelin had on Rush was fleeting, you admit only 4 out of all their studio albums can be "accredited" to influences from Zeppelin, and me being an 80's Rush fanboy I draw no similariteis between them after AFTK. On this point we agree, and have always agreed on since my fist post, "...not to say they didnt influence Rush but maybe not as heavily as people asume." I can understand ones argument that those first four albums are some of Rush's finest moments, but like I said, I'm and 80's Rush fan and I'd be the first to dispute that claim.

People here have a nasty habit of not reading ones entire post to fully understand what was trying to be said. I hope now we can put this silly squabling behind us and leave it to the polls.


Posted By: Alberto Muņoz
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 20:02
Zach: agree with you thoughts!
Hug


-------------






Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 20:06
Originally posted by King By-Tor King By-Tor wrote:



I explained it just fine.


In a poll where preference is in question it shouldn't matter who influenced who and who came first.
 
ClapClap
 
Mainly because Picard and Data rock.  But also that was amusing about the whole facepalm thing.  LOL


-------------
I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?


Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 20:07
I need another facepalm for his agreeance with Zach when i was on the same page as that to begin with


Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 20:17
Now this is a tough poll.  In some ways I wanted to vote for Rush.  They've had a longer and more varied career than Zep, have written their share of great songs, are respected as musicians, and so forth. 
 
But the mighty Zep also wrote their share of great songs, including one that is so great and so familiar that most of us just about get ill when we hear it, and are/were respected as musicians.
 
In the end I go for Zep. 


Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 20:18
I can't locate a laughing smiley big enough, so here's this:




-------------
https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays


Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 20:21
Don't really listen to Led Zep anymore, and the few times I've tried to listen to them in recent times, it just hasn't interested me anymore to be honest.

I can listen to Rush, and feel genuinely excited by it and don't feel the need to turn it off halfway through a song.



Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 21:49
This is disturbing! The band that started as a Zeppelin-lite, is beating the knights of rock rock rock?  

I'm not a big fan of some of Zep's output (like II, and IV for the most part), but damn if I, III, Phys, Houses, Presence aren't great albums.  The only Rush album I could maybe put on par with Zep is 2112.  At least in terms of something interesting, and worth many repeated listens.  


Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: November 20 2008 at 08:57
HA! not even all the best rush albums put toghter as one comes close to the worst Zeppelin album.... IMO.

-------------


Posted By: Alberto Muņoz
Date Posted: November 20 2008 at 09:34
The 70's albums of Rush are the best...
 
The Zepp albums ALL are great!!!!!


-------------






Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: November 21 2008 at 05:09
I can't remember if I posted here in this thread yet.

Anyway, I voted for Rush:P


-------------


Posted By: Sinner
Date Posted: December 18 2008 at 00:12
I vote Rush. I have seen both live more than once and have all both band's recordings. Zeppelin was brilliant for their first 5 years then they were pretty much done. You could hear Page going downhill with his drug problem starting with Houses Of The Holy, and Physical Graffiti was disappointing and uneven. Although Rush owes a lot to Zeppelin, they were (are) more consistent, professional, and innovative.




Posted By: Abrawang
Date Posted: December 18 2008 at 22:49

I'm really surprised at Rush's popularity in a forum like this.  They're a vaery talented band but it seems like some folks have them in their top 3 of all time.  I voted Zep who I think are quite good but somewhat overrated.  I like to make mix/greatest hits CDs and I'd say that if you limit it to one CD per band (say, 60-75 mintes), Led Zep stacks up against anyone.  But man, they sure put out a lot of noisy, repetitive dreck. 

Rush? I only really like 2 of their songs (Subdivisions & Fly By Night).  They have lots that aren't bad but for me they're barely prog and their best songs are nowhere near as good as Zep or many other bands.  As a Canadian however,  I'm still kind of pleased at their popularity.


-------------
Casting doubt on all I have to say...


Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: December 20 2008 at 07:45
Originally posted by Abrawang Abrawang wrote:

I'm really surprised at Rush's popularity in a forum like this.  They're a vaery talented band but it seems like some folks have them in their top 3 of all time.


Well it's a prog site so it shouldn't surprise you at all. A great prog band vs. the greatest band of all time. Zeppelin for me.


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 20 2008 at 07:53
Originally posted by Swan Song Swan Song wrote:

Originally posted by Abrawang Abrawang wrote:

I'm really surprised at Rush's popularity in a forum like this.  They're a vaery talented band but it seems like some folks have them in their top 3 of all time.


Well it's a prog site so it shouldn't surprise you at all. A decent prog band vs. the greatest band of all time. Rolling Stones  for me.


ClapClap LOL


-------------
The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip


Posted By: Silhouette
Date Posted: December 20 2008 at 08:02
Rush wins this for me, as they still produce quality material (yes, I like Snakes and Arrows very much).

That doesn't mean Led Zeppelin is not awesome, though. :)

Silhouette


-------------
Silhouette

http://www.last.fm/user/Zammiz/?chartstyle=Geldropdown-small - Profile @ Last.fm


Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: December 20 2008 at 09:55
Rush

-------------

Check out my YouTube channel! http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime


Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: December 20 2008 at 09:58
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Still Rush for me.  Now Led Zeppelin -vs- The Beatles is a tough call for me.  LOL


That would be tough for me too. However, this is Rush. No-brainer.


-------------

Check out my YouTube channel! http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime


Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: December 20 2008 at 12:18
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Swan Song Swan Song wrote:

Originally posted by Abrawang Abrawang wrote:

I'm really surprised at Rush's popularity in a forum like this.  They're a vaery talented band but it seems like some folks have them in their top 3 of all time.


Well it's a prog site so it shouldn't surprise you at all. A decent prog band vs. the greatest band of all time. Rolling Stones  for me.


ClapClap LOL


* spills diet red dry wine in lap *   huh? ShockedLOL


Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: January 06 2009 at 10:59

Zepplin is basic, like Floyd Crims Yes Genesis

I like Rush, but they got no place near Zep.

 



Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: January 06 2009 at 12:53
I've been lucky to see both Zeppelin w/Bonham and Rush. Both technically excellent bands but I have to go with Zeppelin. 


Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: January 06 2009 at 12:59
Zeppelin for me,didn't have a bad album in their discography where Rush certainly have.I really like Rush but i seem to think that most people are voting just cuz they think Zeppelin are overrated.Its not gonna be my most popular theory.

-------------
http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow">




Posted By: Malve87
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 12:59
Zeppelin are so much more interesting.

-------------
]


Posted By: Philip
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 14:00
Rush.


Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 14:19
I honestly haven't heard enough Rush yet to make the call, but I will say this:
 
2112 and Zoso are both very good records, but I find myself skipping tracks more on the LZ4 record than on 2112. Same thing with the "Presence" record. Great couple of songs, but the rest sound like filler to my ears.
 
Based on that, I have to admit that Rush seems to have more quality, whileLed seems to be mopre about quantity.
 
But since neither band is near the top of my list, what do I know? Embarrassed


Posted By: Yde
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 15:49
Difficult choice, but Rush will do it for me. Those drums and arpeggios "drewls"

-------------
Help me in my search for knowledge,
I must learn the Secret Art.
Who dares to help me raise the one
Whose very name near stills my heart?
ASTAROTH


Posted By: RaúlGuate
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 16:30
Both have made big impact on me, but I've been more interested to learn Alex's Lifeson guitar parts than Jimmy Page's so... Rush

-------------
BAND "La Oveja Negra":
http://www.myspace.com/lasuperovej - http://www.myspace.com/lasuperovej

SOLO STUFF:
http://www.myspace.com/ralsoto - http://www.myspace.com/ralsoto


Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 18:06
I don't particularly enjoy the albums of either of these bands, partially because I only have 1 Zeppelin album on vinyl and have only heard 3 Rush albums in their entirety. But I do enjoy a few tracks from each.
 
Rush has 2112, Xanadu, Subdivisions, Circumstances, La Villa Strangiato, and By-Tor and the Snow Dog.Big smile
 
Zeppelin has No Quarter, Stairway to Heaven, Over the Hills and Far Away, Bron-Y-Aur Stomp, Fool in the Rain, and The Battle of Evermore.Smile
 
Hmm, I guess I'ma vote Rush, but they're pretty close in terms of importance to me.


-------------



Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 07:16
Because John Paul Jones is an awesome musician (not just a bassist) and because Bonham is sometimes underrated for his abilities on the drumset (gotta love that bass-drum on "Good Times, Bad Times," etc.), Zeppelin gets my vote....


Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 07:33
Apples and oranges. Though Rush were clearly influenced by LZ in their early days, they evolved into a completely different band. I love them both, though lately I listen to Rush more than LZ, but I don't really see any point in comparing them.


Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 11:50
The poll allows multiple votes... Useless!


Posted By: Hawkwise
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 23:12
2-1,  1-0 at half time,  Ref wasRubbish  going down the Pub for a Beer Lamp

-------------


Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: January 25 2009 at 12:55
Listening to Jack Bruce's recent comments on how they were rubbish I wonder if Cream would have fared better against Zeppelin?


Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: January 25 2009 at 13:05
Originally posted by crimhead crimhead wrote:

Listening to Jack Bruce's recent comments on how they were rubbish I wonder if Cream would have fared better against Zeppelin?
 
Cream were to short lived.But Bonham vs Ginger and Clapton vs Page would be intresting.


-------------
http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow">




Posted By: LinusW
Date Posted: January 25 2009 at 13:08
I felt sorry for Rush, so I gave them 10 or so extra votes.



Print Page | Close Window

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 11.01 - http://www.webwizforums.com
Copyright ©2001-2014 Web Wiz Ltd. - http://www.webwiz.co.uk