21st Century Schizoid Band reactivization?
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Topic: 21st Century Schizoid Band reactivization?
Posted By: Steven in Atlanta
Subject: 21st Century Schizoid Band reactivization?
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 12:03
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I enjoyed the two previous Schizoid Band lineups and live show swings so much, I really hope the concept is reactivated somewhere down the line. Depending on availability and enthusiasm, of course, I wouldn't mind one of these combos assembling: Jakszyk/Lake/Cross/McDonald/Bruford. or Jakszyk/Wetton/Collins/McDonald/M. Giles. |
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Posted By: Isengard
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 12:42
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Bruford never was in the 21CSB was he? Wasn't he always a member of the varsity Crims? Wetton as well?
Wetton is busy with Icon, Asia and his solo projects, so I doubt he'd ever take part.
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 13:19
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I interviewed Jakko - the main driving force of the band - around the time their Live In New York City DVD was issued. The band made a large loss from that USA tour (apart from NYC) which Jakko largely carried, and with the band members spread over the UK and the States, there are some communication difficulties, but most definitely rehearsal difficulties. Jakko was also promting his first solo album in a number of years, at the time of the interview - that double CD The Bruised Romantic Glee Club, had a who's who of the prog industry playing on it and strongly recommended - but the CD company Iceni (who issue dthe 21st Century stuff too) went bust apparently: now The Bruised Romantic is only available as 2nd hand CDs or MP3 downloads. One 21st Century drummers has alas subsequently died, and the earlier drummer, one of the Giles brothers, lives in LA and has had a falling out with Jakko (and happens to be Jakko's father-in-law). Hence 2 years ago Jakko was adamant unless he did something, there would not be a 21st Century Schizoid Band reunion.
BTW IMHO Jakko as both a Holdsworth-taught guitarist and excellent vocalist, doesn't need Lake or Wettton and the bass-playing Giles brother is the superior bass player. ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 14:33
So there`s a feud  . They were even better than the first lineup if you ask me.
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Posted By: Steven in Atlanta
Date Posted: November 20 2008 at 09:25
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Not so much a matter as to whether Jakko "needs" a Wetton or Lake - I'm sure he doesn't. I was just taken by the concept of an assembly of Crimson alumni from different eras celebrating the work they helped create. Who is "better than the other guy" doesn't really apply. Plus experiencing those powerful '70s works in a live setting was quite a moving experience for me - one that I feel I wouldn't be nearly as effective with a simple "tribute" band, no matter how accomplished. Of course, the financial/geographic/familial pressures do seem to win out in these matters, unfortunately. |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: November 20 2008 at 10:41
So you mean a sort of King Crimson "Union" a la Yes Union ?
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Posted By: Steven in Atlanta
Date Posted: November 20 2008 at 11:19
| Perhaps, but with hopefully much better results! |
Posted By: febus
Date Posted: November 20 2008 at 11:35
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No Bruford was never part of it! only M.Giles then Ian Wallace (rip) played for the 21st centuru schizoid man!!
However, Bruford now a retired KC drummer can apply for the position.
 Noteworthy was the Ian Wallace project a few years ago named i think Crimson Jazz Trio where he covered Crimson classics with a pianist and bassist , Bill Evans style......finely done!!
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: November 20 2008 at 12:15
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Now that was exquisite. With Tim Landers on bass and a guy that virtually came out of nowhere Jody Nardone on piano. Just smokin`I gave it a 5 star rating. Even God Fripp wrote some nice things on the cover. I`ve heard that despite the passing of Ian Wallace that there might be some new stuff coming. I don`t know whether Bruford`s book is out yet ( I never get to read these things because they`re only available over the damn web  ) but I think Crimson is pretty much a thing of the past with him.------------- |
Posted By: Steven in Atlanta
Date Posted: November 20 2008 at 14:15
| Bill still has a fondness and respect for most of the KC material, although very little of either for his Frippness. I can't imagine Bruford and Fripp ever being in the same zip code again, much less the same band. Still it would be nice seeing Bruford revisit the KC catalog in some way, other than the drum clinics he participates in these days. |
Posted By: febus
Date Posted: November 20 2008 at 14:26
So i guess he is ready for the 21st centuru schizoid band!!
...just need to bring along John Wetton and David Cross |
Steven in Atlanta wrote:Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: November 20 2008 at 14:48
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So if Fripp is kept away you actually think he`d do it. But could Jakko do the `73-74 material justice ? I mean it got pretty ferocious toward the end when Cross left. He wasn`t even playing the violin towards the end and just stuck to the mellotron or nothing while the other 3 guys just freaked out with improvs. ------------- |
Posted By: Steven in Atlanta
Date Posted: November 20 2008 at 15:33
| What I liked so much about the Schizoid Band concept is it was '70s Crimson alumni where at least one of whom played on the original recording, but not the others. That said, I'd love to hear Bruford and crew tackle Islands, Lizard and Poseidon tunes, with "Sailor's Tale" wielding the most intrigue on this end. Or a lineup with Lake singing some of the '73-'74 material. Oh well, it's all probably just a pipe dream. |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: November 20 2008 at 15:48
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Pipe dream or not it would be interesting to see them have a go at these. While I don`t see them having any problems with the more improv friendly Islands material, it would be interesting to hear what they would do with the more structured earlier stuff. I think the only tracks from ITCOTCK, Lizard, Poseidon and Islands the 73-74 lineup played live were Schizoid Man & Cat Food.
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Posted By: mrgd
Date Posted: November 24 2008 at 18:16
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When I heard about 21st.CSB , I must confess I was quite excited. Getting such a line up together, performing live and recording was a major coup that went surprisingly unnoticed without the fanfare such a reunion really deserved imo. The likes of Mel Collins, the Giles brothers and Ian McDonald are of legendary status imo. I was not disappointed when I got the DVD of their live performance in Japan . I think it's oustanding with so many of the band members having ' matured' as players from the heady days of the late 60s early 70s.
I was also roundly impressed with Jakko's contribution with his precise vocals and guitar playing . This band possessed an extra 'edge' imo. I was therefore sad that they were unable to progress. Consequently, I would be happy with any further incarnation of the band, but for the reasons outlined by Dick [ always the font of all knowledge in this sphere ], sadly it's not likely to happen. However, following up on the Crimson Jazz Trio [CJ3] and Jakko's solo release, the excellent ' Bruised Romantic Glee Club' has provided some wonderful and fulfilling listening experiences for this enthusiast. Both albums are highly recommended for those who have a propensity for challenging Jazz trio arrangements of KC classics { CJ3} and reinvigorated Canterbury influenced sounds tastefully played and presented { BRGC}. For those interested in CJ3, Jakko himself advised by email that Vol II will be released at a later stage . It was all but completed as at the date of Ian Wallace's sad passing . I believe Jakko has made some contributions , either by playing or in the production of it and Mel Collins has apparently added some sax to a couple of tunes. As it was an Ian Wallace driven project, his passing has not surprisingly held up it's completion as someone else would no doubt have to pick up the reins to complete the project. I hope they do as a testiment to the great player IW was. Here's hoping. ------------- Looking still the same after all these years... mrgd |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: November 25 2008 at 13:03
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Here`s hoping.
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: November 27 2008 at 08:47
Maybe but not about the band, rather about somebody being a 'responsible' grandfather!!!!! I'll let you decode that! ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: Jozef
Date Posted: November 28 2008 at 11:46
I didn't know the two of them had a falling out, I thought Bruford left in 1996 to work on Earthworks. ------------- 
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: November 28 2008 at 13:40
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I wish Fripp could just do something nostalgic. I`ve heard the new stuff through the DGM website and I, of all people, and I hate to say it, find it getting a bit stale and running out of some steam. These guys aren`t getting any younger. I see Amon Duul II is going out on tour with the early seventies lineup in 2009. I`m not comparing apples and oranges here but that was the golden age of Amon Duul II and there`s onviously still a lot of fans of that music still around as well as newer fans and from all reports the band is very enthusiastic about playing the older material. But I guess it`s up to Bob to initiate such an undertaking for Crimson . I think he has to aknowlege the fact that there are a lot of us out here who would pull our hair out to see a KC minus the 80s,90s & 00s concert. There`s no doubt that they`re in the position to do it unlike others we`d like to see such as Gentle Giant. Jethro Tull hasn`t forgotten it`s past and Ian Anderson makes it a point to stay connected regardless of how many times we have to sit through Aqualung. They nevertheless always have some sort of suprise for the audience. I mean the original band even got together for a gig in a small pub in the Midlands a few years back and played old stuff off This Was and Benefit and made some of it available on CD and DVD. C`mon Bob stop being a party pooper. ------------- |
Posted By: mrgd
Date Posted: November 30 2008 at 18:41
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If he can keep an open mind about it, it may yet happen , particularly due to the demise of 21stCSB and the interest it rekindled . He'd also have to be impressed with the form of Mel Collins and Ian McDonald, in particular . Maybe he'd keep Jakko on vocals ! !
By the way, just loved those more acoustic bluesy tunes redone by JT with Clive Bunker, Mick Abrahams and the enigmatic Glenn Cornick showing some wonderful dynamics on what appeared to be a fretless Fender Jazz . He was all over it like a spider . I remember seeing the short GC interview on the 25th Anniversary reunion VHS . Be-suited, he was all absorbed in the corporate world [ and it appeared, himself ] and seemed just a trifle miffed about his exit from the band . He seemed to be suggesting that his playing days were long behind him . Then he turns up in this reunion band looking decidedly laid back and bordering on the alternative, enthusiastically playing his heart out with great skill ! ! These songs are 'gold' for fans imo. You'll find them on the " Living With the Past" DVD . " A Song for Jeffrey " is a blast , in particular , and somewhat ironic for the said Mr. Cornick to playing on I would have thought, having regard to that history ! 
I wonder if there are more takes from that session . Seems to be a lot of trouble to go to for just three tunes . ------------- Looking still the same after all these years... mrgd |