PA's Battle to Stardom B1: Marillion v. Area
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Topic: PA's Battle to Stardom B1: Marillion v. Area
Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Subject: PA's Battle to Stardom B1: Marillion v. Area
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 11:07
Hmm.....should I make this poll or should I let Alex do it....meh, he's a little slow on the uptake, so I guess I have to pick up for him. Anyway, we're at the end of Round 1 and the start of Round 2, and we're kicking things off with an apples and oranges poll, where we have the return of the masters and founders of neo-prog against Italian fusion band Area. Which one will triumph? That is for all of you to decide.Please: If you are not familiar with one or both of the band's material, I urge that you use the links provided and at least listen to the samples on their respective pages. Marillion's PA page: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=233 - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=233 Area's PA page: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=26 - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=26 And at the risk of sounding like a broken record, please feel more than free to discuss both bands. Recap: Round 1 A1: A2: A3: Emerson, Lake and Palmer v. A4: A5: Can v. A6: A7: Van der Graaf Generator v. A8: Samla Mammas Manna v. A9: Rush v. A10: A11: Henry Cow v. A12: A13: A14: A15: A16: Gentle Giant v. A1: forum_posts.asp?TID=51423&PN=2 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51423&PN=2 A2: forum_posts.asp?TID=51492&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51492&PN=1 A3: forum_posts.asp?TID=51567&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51567&PN=1 A4: forum_posts.asp?TID=51630&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51630&PN=1 A5: forum_posts.asp?TID=51711&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51711&PN=1 A6: forum_posts.asp?TID=51778 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51778 A7: forum_posts.asp?TID=51855 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51855 A8: forum_posts.asp?TID=51928&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51928&PN=1 A9: forum_posts.asp?TID=52011 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52011 A10: forum_posts.asp?TID=52091 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52091 A11: forum_posts.asp?TID=52158&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52158&PN=1 A12: forum_posts.asp?TID=52246 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52246 A13: forum_posts.asp?TID=52336 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52336 A14: forum_posts.asp?TID=52411&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52411&PN=1 A15: forum_posts.asp?TID=52487&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52487&PN=1 A16: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52571 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52571 ------------- 
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 11:15
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Unlike Area vs. Gong, and like Mahavishnu Orchestra vs. Marillion, this is a no-brainer for me. Area appeals much more to my tastes -- fantastic band. I tend to prefer jazz-rock to melodic rock. Area beats Arena too. EDIT: Incidentally, it's interesting that both times Marillion was put up against a jazz-rock band. Considering that many consider Mahavishnu Orchestra to be THE Prog Jazz-Rock Fusion band, and it lost to Marillion, it does not bode well for the lesser-known Area in this poll. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 11:26
| Marillion as a matter of taste... |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 11:34
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Won't vote, since I don't listen to either, but I just want to say, "Camel got beat that badly?" |
Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 12:46
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Area, i like several Marillion albums, but this is no contest for me, Area all the way! ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 12:59
| Area, comfortably. Much fonder of Demetrio Stratos' half-yodelling and the crazy sax lines than Marillion's style. |
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 13:04
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AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------- 
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Posted By: Thandrus
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 13:54
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Wow, wow, wow.... Could've never imagined that Area would be so popular anywhere.... More than Gong!!! Anyway I go for Marillion, by quite a distance. |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 13:59
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Marillion - either with Fish or Hogarth.
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Posted By: Anderson III
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 14:21
From what I've heard from Area, it seems it's not the band for me. Still, I have strong negative feelings toward Marillion (know more than ever since it beat MO, I suppose) and I had to vote for Area. I don't wish to agitate any Marillion fans, but it has to be said sooner or later: Misplaced Childhood strikes me as the worst prog album I've ever heard! That is the magnitude of my disliking and believe me, I'm not just saying that because of the MO thingy  .------------- "Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and cannot remain silent" - Victor Hugo |
Posted By: Jozef
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 14:59
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Marillion. I've been listening to their early albums with Fish and I'm loving them all. By the way, who won the first PA battle to stardom? ------------- 
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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 15:00
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Area are one of my all-time favourites.
Marillion are... not ;P ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 15:16
At that time, it had a different name which escapes me. The final round was KC barely edging out Yes by something like 63-60 or somewhere around there. -------------
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Jozef wrote:Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 15:37
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I hardly stand Marillion and can't get into Area.
So voted for Area. ------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 16:24
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I can tolerate Area which is more than can be said for Marillion.
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 17:25
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Marillion's in the lead. How unprogressive is that? They're just a stadium band that can't fill stadiums. Area's high art.
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Posted By: DJPuffyLemon
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 18:54
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Posted By: DJPuffyLemon
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 18:56
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Posted By: Takeshi Kovacs
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 19:06
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Marillion. On basis of Fish era - don't listen to them so much nowadays and not really been inspired by one of their recent albums (exception:Brave). Like Area, but am relatively new to them. -------------  Open the gates of the city wide....
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 19:16
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Two excellent bands!
I went with Area, based on the strength of Crac! and their debut!
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 19:19
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wow.... could two more different bands be put against each other. Area's going down... too few know the group... and of those... some get lost because it sure isn't easy listening... but not without my vote it isn't hahahha ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 19:26
No, some of the bands this time around were in the last tournament and some weren't. The only really noticeable difference is that none of the major 4 prog bands, Floyd, KC, Yes, or Genesis, are in the tournament and that each of the original matchups in the first round was determined at random, not by ratings/popularity on this site. -------------
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 19:35
Indeed. The "Ultimate Prog Tournament" which I fronted in January had those 4 contenders and was my take on some of the most influential bands in the prog movement. All bands were ranked from #1-#32 (who I thought had the best chances of winning) and then split into 4 sub-sections, resulting in #1-#8 seeds for each segment. Some bands have made re-appearances in this one; some have not, as David said. ------------- 
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 20:09
check the results again! 20-19, Area is losing for just 1 point! 
No vote from me, since I haven't heard Area. 
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 22:56
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I'm not really familiar with either band, but I'm just going to place my bets on how I think the poll's going to win. Just cause I'm a nerd like that.
Marillion v. Area: Marillion
ELP v. Tangerine Dream: ELP
Can v. Opeth: Opeth (though maybe I'm not sure)
VDGG V. Samla Mammas Manna: VDGG
Rush v. Kayo Dot: Rush
Henry Cow v. Magma: Magma
Le Orne v. Hawkwind: Hawkwind
Univers Zero v. Gentle Giant: Gentle Giant
That round's not so hard cause the matchups are mostly unfair in terms of popularity.
Marillion v. ELP: Marillion (a shocker)
Opeth v. VDGG: VDGG
Rush v. Magma: Magma
Hawkwind v. Gentle Giant: Gentle Giant
Marillion v. VdGG: VDGG
Magma v. Gentle Giant
Then Gentle Giant will be the winner out of the whole thing. That's just my prediction. ------------- 
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 12:34
| Another vote for international popular group Area! |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 13:00
| I am only familiar with Fish-era Marillion, which is OK, but nowhere as ground-breaking and original as my fellow Italians Area. No comparison whatsoever between the two bands, I'm afraid. |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 15:39
These results are close. Keep the votes coming!  -------------
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Posted By: progrules
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 15:54
Don't follow these battles. Probably because my two fav's (TFK & DT) are already out. When I first saw it as a topic I thought you meant Marillion vs AreNa because that seems more like a fair battle to me  .
Why don't you fix battles between two bands from the same "league" ? ------------- A day without prog is a wasted day |
Posted By: LinusW
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 15:58
 Area gets my vote |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 16:04
Refer to many of my posts in previous threads. Ultimate Prog Tournament in January was 32 of what I considered to be some of the most influential prog bands of all time, ranked in four groups of 8, seeded from #1 (most likely to win) to #8 (least likely). They were then matched up similarly to any sports tournament. This tournament, Battle to Stardom, was 32 bands. Some were featured previously in UPT, some weren't, and these matchups were chosen entirely at random. The first round matches, as well, may have been very similar while round 2 matches may prove to pit very different bands against each other. My intent wasn't to pit very similar bands against each other. That may be for something else down the line. -------------
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Posted By: Alberto Muņoz
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 23:48
Area and hope the y win
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Posted By: Luke. J
Date Posted: October 19 2008 at 02:14
| Tough choice for me.. though I respect the music of Area, it is overall less enjoyable than Marillion. That does not mean I don't like Area (one of the most interesting bands I think), but Marillion is among my favourite bands, and not just "interesting". This poll is maybe apples against football, they are to different to compare really. Hm, who'll win? |
Posted By: Thandrus
Date Posted: October 19 2008 at 08:35
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What???? Area's winning? blasphemy... C'mon Marillion! |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: October 19 2008 at 11:33
I know; the tension is killing me!  Only about 23 hours left! -------------
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Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: October 19 2008 at 12:59
At least Area didn't make Somewhere Else. -------------
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Posted By: Anderson III
Date Posted: October 19 2008 at 13:58
There are many albums that don't really do anything for me, and Childhood is NOT one of them. It seems that almost everything about the album bugs the hell out of me! The 80's sound has always been something I hate with a passion and Marillion definitely utilizes it on a dangerous level. To my ears the music sounds sterile, powerless and cold. I firmly believe that even music with sad atmosphere should have warmth in the sound and I can't find it in here. I also have a hard time enjoying the melodies presented on the album. They lack adventure and cleverness for a fan of avant garde. I'm afraid I can't explain to the detail what it is about the melodies that lets me down, though, because I've only heard the piece twice and I refuse to play it again! Saved the worst for the last: the atmosphere!!! It feels like Fish and the crew are begging me to cry throughout the album, though I don't really know what to cry about. There's no real beauty nor emotion in the music, but incredibly it can still be depressing as hell! If I was the guy who wears only black, writes stupid poems about death and sometimes slashes his arms, I would probably love this album... but fortunately, I'm not that guy! Misplaced Childhood is just the most depressing piece of work you can imagine, and not in the nice, moving way. ------------- "Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and cannot remain silent" - Victor Hugo |
Posted By: Samir
Date Posted: October 19 2008 at 14:01
| Area is a band that i don't know too much, but i think their music is better and more tasty to my ears |
Posted By: DJPuffyLemon
Date Posted: October 19 2008 at 23:39
It definately has many pop tendancies, the album....and the first time I played Kayleigh for my friend he remarked that it was basically a pop song...and I have to agree. the more proggy elements are their two longer tracks and perhaps waterhole for its experimental nature. Its an extremely well done album musically though. I htink it had plenty of warmth and the last two songs are very uplifting.
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Posted By: DJPuffyLemon
Date Posted: October 21 2008 at 01:32
| aw god too little too late isn't it |
Posted By: Urs Blank
Date Posted: October 21 2008 at 06:24
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Really close!! Interesting to oppose such different genres of prog. I vote Marillion but I would not be so sad if Area win. ------------- Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it. Salvador Dali. |
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: October 21 2008 at 06:37
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Area. ------------- 
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Posted By: Dream_Salvation
Date Posted: October 21 2008 at 07:41
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Marillion!!!
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Posted By: LiquidEternity
Date Posted: October 21 2008 at 10:17
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Area. Marillion's far too hit or miss to truly have any impact, I think. Area's more solid.
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Posted By: febus
Date Posted: October 21 2008 at 10:28
Hey, Alex, should not this thread be already closed 
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Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: October 21 2008 at 12:12
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Admins, please close this thread.
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: October 21 2008 at 21:48
| Haha! A useless post in a dead thread! |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: October 22 2008 at 04:19
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One or two more votes for Area, pleeease.
------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |