PA's Battle to Stardom A15: Koenjihyakkei v. UZ
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Topic: PA's Battle to Stardom A15: Koenjihyakkei v. UZ
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Subject: PA's Battle to Stardom A15: Koenjihyakkei v. UZ
Date Posted: October 11 2008 at 17:29
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Now it's time for me to be evil.
 The contemporary Zeuhl masters against one of the original 6 Rock in Opposition bands... both manage to create a uniquely disturbing and haunting type of music but in entirely different ways. Which one will continue? Please: If you are not familiar with one or both of the band's material, I urge that you use the links provided and at least listen to the samples on their respective pages (or Youtube if the particular band has no online streaming). Koenjihyakkei's PA page: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1218 - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1218 Univers Zero's PA page: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=342 - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=342 As always, discussions are encouraged. Recap: Round 1 A1: A2: A3: Emerson, Lake and Palmer v. A4: A5: Can v. A6: A7: Van der Graaf Generator v. A8: Samla Mammas Manna v. A9: Rush v. A10: A11: Henry Cow v. A12: A13: A14: A1: forum_posts.asp?TID=51423&PN=2 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51423&PN=2 A2: forum_posts.asp?TID=51492&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51492&PN=1 A3: forum_posts.asp?TID=51567&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51567&PN=1 A4: forum_posts.asp?TID=51630&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51630&PN=1 A5: forum_posts.asp?TID=51711&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51711&PN=1 A6: forum_posts.asp?TID=51778 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51778 A7: forum_posts.asp?TID=51855 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51855 A8: forum_posts.asp?TID=51928&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51928&PN=1 A9: forum_posts.asp?TID=52011 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52011 A10: forum_posts.asp?TID=52091 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52091 A11: forum_posts.asp?TID=52158&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52158&PN=1 A12: forum_posts.asp?TID=52246 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52246 A13: forum_posts.asp?TID=52336 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52336 A14: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52411&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52411&PN=1 ------------- 
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: October 11 2008 at 17:31
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I love both bands... but my vote has to go to Koenjihyakkei. For those who aren't familiar, this is a wonderful link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHD6UV09pcI - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHD6UV09pcI 
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Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: October 11 2008 at 17:39
Koenjihyakkei of course. Yoshi's easily as good as Vander, although saying that might get some stones thrown my way.
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: October 11 2008 at 17:39
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Two bands I kind of love, from two genres I truly love. But unlike my favorite bands of Zeuhl and RIO (and probably my two favorites of all bands) Magma and Art Zoyd, I rarely listen to a full album by any of them. Still not that hard: UZ gets my vote. Dense is one of the best tracks ever recorded. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: song_of_copper
Date Posted: October 11 2008 at 17:54
I've just surprised myself by voting for Univers Zero.  Koenji is amazing, and the moment I heard it I loved it. Univers Zero took me a long while to appreciate. Both bands' music is the kind in which you hear something new every time you listen to it... Tough choice, but I picked UZ, I guess because it's more of a hard-won love... it gives me more every time I hear it, in contrast to Koenjihyakkei, which is just as wonderful as that first listen... aargghh, you really do have a knack for these evil tough polls, young master Alex! |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: October 11 2008 at 18:04
Both took me some time to appreciate. I'm probably still delving further into my appreciation for UZ, as I love them when I listen to them and am in the mood for it... but don't bring them out nearly as often as say, Henry Cow or SMM. Koenjihyakkei took me a few listens, but they hit me in an entirely different way. Yoshida rapidly climbed my list of favorite and most inspiring drummers I've ever heard, and he definitely cracks my top 5 now. The sheer dynamic brilliance of theirs, for my taste currently at least, outstrips UZ by a bit. Time may tell a different story however as I quite like them both. Koenjihyakkei just has that really active edge that I love to hear implemented well in my music (Rush, Ozrics, Magma, Zappa, etc. all in completely different ways). And yes, I am evil.  The funny part of these Stardom polls is that they were chosen entirely randomly. -------------
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song_of_copper wrote:Posted By: Sckxyss
Date Posted: October 11 2008 at 23:13
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This is cruel! Two of my all-time favourite bands.. My gut's telling me to go with UZ though. Maybe if Koenji comes out with one more amazing album, my vote'll change, but so far UZ have produced a greater quantity of solid albums, and my vote goes with them. |
Posted By: Sckxyss
Date Posted: October 11 2008 at 23:15
I actually agree that Tatsuya is as good or better than Vander, but I don't see what Vander has to do with poll
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: October 11 2008 at 23:19
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Ouch. I think I have to go with Univers Zero. Though I may enjoy Angherr Shisspa more than any UZ album I've heard. |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: October 12 2008 at 00:11
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Both bands are obviously amazing, but i much prefer the style of Univers Zero. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 12 2008 at 00:12
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Other people have expressed how I feel. For me as well, Univers Zero rather is outdone on the chamber prog front by Art Zoyd, as Koenjihyakkei is eclipsed in Zeuhl by Magma (moreso). I really like both, and Angherr Shisppa is terrific, bu UZ has more albums that I return to, and I find it rather less superficial. It has more depth for me. Took a while for me to really warn up to UZ (which wasn't the case with Present or Art Zoyd); whereas Koenjihyakkei I loved at first listen, but hasn't held my interest to the same extent as UZ. I turn to my UZ albums more than Koenjihyakkei -- though I turn to Koenjihyakkei tracks often. I think it was went I got Uzed (already had the earlier albums, and some later ones) that I really got into UZ in a very big way (very accessible album, I think). Puts on "Triomphe des Mouches" off Ceux du Dehors -- yeah, good stuff. Both rank amongst my favourite bands, but UZ is quite an easy choice for me. |
Posted By: song_of_copper
Date Posted: October 12 2008 at 03:52
As usual we're on the same wavelength...  (I want to live in a world where Angherr Shisspa gets thrown on at parties, and UZ is played in supermarkets. ) |
Posted By: song_of_copper
Date Posted: October 12 2008 at 03:57
Koenji does seem to have that 'instant appeal' for a lot of people! (Well, RIO/avant/Zeuhl inclined people, anyhow...) This is a classic poll, really, because one band is like the ultimate in "Wahey! FUN! Woo! Giggles!" and the other is all like "This will hurt but if you are patient you will come to enjoy it..." !How on earth does one choose?! |
Posted By: song_of_copper
Date Posted: October 12 2008 at 04:03
"...really active edge..." - I completely get what you mean. There's just so much going on all at once, like this ridiculously complicated onslaught of incident, and stuff is happening almost before you can gauge what's going on... I LOVE that in music.  And yes, you are evil. Chosen entirely randomly...? Like, out of a hat or something, or just off the top of your head?! |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: October 12 2008 at 04:09
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UNIVERS ZEROUNIVERS ZEROUNIVERS ZEROUNIVERS ZEROUNIVERS ZEROUNIVERS ZEROUNIVERS ZEROUNIVERS ZERO DID I MENTION....... UNIVERS ZERO? OBVIOUSLY NOT, SO, LET ME STATE WHO I VOTED FOR.... UNIVERS ZERO ------------- 
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: October 12 2008 at 04:15
RIO/Zeuhl fans want's it to hurt before enjoying it. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: song_of_copper
Date Posted: October 12 2008 at 04:20
Only where music is concerned! (Well, I can't speak for you, of course... ) |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: October 12 2008 at 09:59
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Posted By: YesFan72
Date Posted: October 12 2008 at 10:00
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Univers Zero. *runs from Koenji fans*
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: October 12 2008 at 10:01
 A fellow sockian has betrayed me!  -------------
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: October 12 2008 at 13:42
It's clear why UZ => bassoon Koenji => no bassoon |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: October 12 2008 at 13:44
Hmm... good point. Koenjihyakkei would be even more epic with bassoon.  -------------
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Posted By: YesFan72
Date Posted: October 12 2008 at 13:50
Yep! -------------
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: October 12 2008 at 13:54
That comment made me look a little perverted I guess, but It was mainly based on the the poll result so far (FUN = 4, Hurt = 11). ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: October 12 2008 at 13:58
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Another tough call. I voted for UZ, mainly because they have released so much brilliant music over the last 30 years and they're still going strong.
Yoshida is a true master drummer and composer, definitely on a par with Daniel Denis, but Koenjihyakkei have only released 4 albums to date (all of excellent and Angherr Shisspa is breathtaking, but even so...).
Maybe in another 10 years things will be different, but at the moment UZ win on the grounds of sheer quantity and longevity. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: October 12 2008 at 14:14
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Koenji, just.
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Posted By: song_of_copper
Date Posted: October 12 2008 at 14:29
It really did! The randomness fell out very neatly! Well, you and your red sock of doom (hah, 'Red Sock of Doom' should be the title of your next concept album...  ) have done a great job. |
Posted By: Alberto Muńoz
Date Posted: October 12 2008 at 14:30
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Univers Zero by far
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Posted By: song_of_copper
Date Posted: October 12 2008 at 14:35
Perverted...? Well, I'm sure we're all wonderfully tolerant of alternative lifestyles around here...! You're quite right though, and now it's FUN = 5, Hurt = 13! |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: October 12 2008 at 14:38
Haha, that'd be awful. -------------
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Posted By: song_of_copper
Date Posted: October 12 2008 at 14:40
Ok, so call it 'Mood fo Kcos Der' and pretend it means something in Kobaďan.  |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: October 12 2008 at 14:49
Sounds like a plan to me. I'll have to think of that for my next installment. The army of the evil red socks comes to Earth, destroys all of us humans and thereafter sets up an enormous sock empire. -------------
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Posted By: song_of_copper
Date Posted: October 12 2008 at 14:52
Ha, yeah, they're really gonna stamp on us.  |
Posted By: Sckxyss
Date Posted: October 12 2008 at 23:13
Quoted for truth of epicness.
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: October 13 2008 at 00:06
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This is almost impossible. However, I have yet to hear all of Univers Zéro's albums. I have heard all of Koenjihyakkei's. I love chamber prog and UZ are top of the pile. I love zeuhl and Magma are top of the pile. However, Koenjihyakkei just get the vote... every single album I've heard by them is fantastic and each one sounds different. Angherr Shisspa is their best though. Perhaps when I have heard some of Univers Zéro's later albums, my vote will change. -------------   
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: October 13 2008 at 02:06
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Univers Zero, easily!
This band have released so much brilliant music, particulary Heresie and Ceux du Dehors, two of my favorite albums ever. I really dig Koenjihyakkei as well though..
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: October 13 2008 at 04:59
Dahlia=so mean to Alex. -------------
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: October 13 2008 at 07:02
GO JAMES! WE NEED MORE KOENJI VOTES! (Especially since they're whom I had winning )-------------
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: October 13 2008 at 07:03
Indeed. -------------
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Posted By: keiser willhelm
Date Posted: October 13 2008 at 13:54
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i voted for FUN!
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Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: October 13 2008 at 14:47
| I need an education on this one. I haven't heard either band. |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: October 13 2008 at 14:50
Try Univers Zero's debut (titled either "1313" or just "Univers Zero") and Koenjihyakkei's Angherr Shisspa. Don't really know your musical tastes at all, but I'll offer the blanket statement that neither album is for the faint of heart prog fan. |