PA's Battle to Stardom A10: Meshuggah v. Kayo Dot
Printed From: Progarchives.com
Category: Progressive Music Lounges
Forum Name: Prog Polls
Forum Description: Create polls on topics related to progressive music
URL: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52091
Printed Date: February 13 2025 at 01:54
Software Version: Web Wiz Forums 11.01 - http://www.webwizforums.com
Topic: PA's Battle to Stardom A10: Meshuggah v. Kayo Dot
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Subject: PA's Battle to Stardom A10: Meshuggah v. Kayo Dot
Date Posted: September 26 2008 at 07:05
|
Both experimental and unique metal bands, one fronted by significant modern composer Toby Driver, the other a thrashing powerhouse of mechanical rhythms and time signatures. Which is your favorite and why?
Please: If you are not familiar with one or both of the band's material, I urge that you use the links provided and at least listen to the samples on their respective pages. Meshuggah's PA page: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1692 - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1692 Kayo Dot's PA page: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1870 - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1870 As always, discussions are encouraged. Recap: Round 1 A1: A2: A3: Emerson, Lake and Palmer v. A4: A5: Can v. A6: A7: Van der Graaf Generator v. A8: Samla Mammas Manna v. A9: Rush v. A1: forum_posts.asp?TID=51423&PN=2 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51423&PN=2 A2: forum_posts.asp?TID=51492&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51492&PN=1 A3: forum_posts.asp?TID=51567&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51567&PN=1 A4: forum_posts.asp?TID=51630&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51630&PN=1 A5: forum_posts.asp?TID=51711&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51711&PN=1 A6: forum_posts.asp?TID=51778 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51778 A7: forum_posts.asp?TID=51855 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51855 A8: forum_posts.asp?TID=51928&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51928&PN=1 A9: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52011 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52011 ------------- 
|
Replies:
Posted By: keiser willhelm
Date Posted: September 26 2008 at 08:08
|
kayo dot. as much as i like meshuggah this is really no contest. Choirs of the Eye is one of maybe two albums that completely changed the way i listen to music. achingly beautiful, brutally powerful and constantly adventurous. then comes Dowsing Anemone. . . . just whoa. meshuggah is great and i love what they do but. . . not against kayo dot. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/KeiserWillhelm" rel="nofollow - What im listening to |
Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: September 26 2008 at 09:27
The Manifold Curiosity is enough reason to vote for Kayo Dot. 
|
Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: September 26 2008 at 10:40
Fixed.  ------------- 
|
Norbert wrote:Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: September 26 2008 at 11:46
|
Meshuggah. Easily.
------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: September 26 2008 at 11:58
|
Now this is a fair and difficult contest. I'll have to think about it. ------------- www.last.fm/user/ThisCenotaph  
|
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 26 2008 at 12:11
| Now it's rather unfair for me to vote because I know Kayo Dot much better, but I have found Meshuggah very unpleasant to listen to, whereas Kayo Dot (particularly for Choirs of the Eye) is my favourite band in the metal sub-categories. |
Posted By: Alberto Muņoz
Date Posted: September 26 2008 at 13:16
|
Kayo Dot, can we pass to playoffs in this polls??? -------------  |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: September 26 2008 at 13:20
| Don't really care for either band, so won't vote this round. |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: September 26 2008 at 13:24
|
Meshuggah is my favorite metal band, and all of their albums are brilliant.
I have only heard Dowsing Anemone by KD, but that's a damn excellent album as well! ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: September 26 2008 at 13:49
|
KD's last album beats any Messhugah album....
Any Messhugah album features espectacular drumming and original, if a little (well, not "little") anti-melodic....
KD released Dowsning Anemone with CT... probably one of earth's worst albums ever recorded.... (but easily "surpassed" by Sigur Ros' now that I've heard both better)
So, I go for Messhugah for consistency... even though KD has released a bettr album, but also one MUCH worse... ------------- 
|
Posted By: Inferno
Date Posted: September 26 2008 at 14:50
|
Meshuggah's is one of the most important band in the prog metal veins in my opinion but musically talking...Kayo dot is more in my veins althought I don'T own any of both bands album but nearly listen to every of their album besides their last. Kayo gets the vote here |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: September 26 2008 at 15:43
| Mia Matsumiya is reason enough to go with Kayo Dot. |
Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: September 26 2008 at 15:49
|
Kayo Dot because Kayo Dot because Kayo Dot
------------- 
|
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 26 2008 at 16:01
She sure is something. http://coelacanthm.livejournal.com/ - http://coelacanthm.livejournal.com/
I wonder what you would think of Choirs of the Eye (my particular fave KD album). 
1991 ../album.asp?id=7972 - Contradictions Collapse 2.92 (8 ratings) 
2003 ../album.asp?id=8708 - Choirs Of The Eye 4.36 (49 ratings) I'd be amazed if Meshuggah's debut is anywhere near as good as Kayo Dot's. Certainly Meshuggah has released many more albums (especially considering the Singles, EPS, Fan Club & Promo). I wonder how consistently good they are? Since there are several related projects to Kayo Dot and Thordendal has his, perhaps a poll pitting Thordendal against Toby Driver would be a fun complement to this poll (I do like Special Defects). Incidentally, people who don't know both may wish to check out the myspace pages and vote based on those. http://www.myspace.com/kayodot - http://www.myspace.com/kayodot http://www.myspace.com/meshuggah - http://www.myspace.com/meshuggah I think KD is considerably more diverse than Meshuggah, and more Prog to my ear.And KD really has made very beautiful music -- Meshuggah I have found lacking in contrast, not as well textured, or nuanced (lacking subtlety to my ear). |
Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: September 26 2008 at 16:15
Kayo Dot changed my musical life forever. Meshuggah makes me laugh. 
------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: September 26 2008 at 16:50
How about neither? 
|
Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: September 26 2008 at 18:34
I think part of the reason that Meshuggah isn't subtle is because they're not trying to be subtle. They prefer to make music that goes right for the throat every time. I think that Tomas Haake is an absolutely fantastic metal drummer and the fact that he's created a unique style of drumming is quite impressive. That's probably the reason I'd pick Meshuggah over a lot of bands, besides just many metal bands. Also if you were comparing "Choirs of the Eye" with, say, "Destroy Erase Improve" or "Chaosphere" then I think it'd be a more fair comparison. Mostly because Meshuggah's first album isn't very prog-like anyway. -------------
|
Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: September 26 2008 at 18:47
|
Kayo Dot changed what I thought the boundries of music were for me, Choirs of the Eye, and Dowsing are two of my favorite albums, while BLD was quite the disapointment.
Meshuggah is an excellent band, and put on a great show, Chaosphere was in big rotation for awhile back in the day. The truth is is that Kayo Dot just suits my tastes better.
|
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 26 2008 at 19:32
Fair enough. As for the subtlety -- that's my preference. I prefer bands that are more nuanced and diverse in musical expression, and that provide more contrast. I also prefer the instrument line-up in Kayo Dot (the addition of a viola/ violin is a big plus for me, especially when played by such an attractive young lady  ). Tomas Haake is a very good drummer, but of course they've experimented with tricks that include programmed drums (but I guess he is very good live, I have yet to watch him play. I'm sure he's on youtube). I merely chose both debuts in regards to consistency of quality as per ratings -- Teo did not mention KD's debut when he went for Meshuggah based on consistency (consistency for him, of course, and he doesn't know Choirs... yet). Now I can't say which is more considtently of high quality, and that depends on the person. Meshuggah has 17 releases (including two boxsets, seven studio, and nine in that single, EPs, promo category. very strangle for a band that's been around that long, we have no Live albums listed -- that's bizarre. I commonly find live albums the best for judging prog bands, and for hearing the skills of the performers). Now Kayo Dot only has four (three studio and one 30 minute album shared with Bloody Panda which the KD piece is only 11 minutes).In a way, Meshuggah, I think, is considerably more consistent than KD, because KD has experimented with more styles, and the three albums by KD are more different from each-other, I think, than Meshuggah's seven albums. But as I said, I don't know Meshuggah as well as KD. KD appeals to me much more so of course I've really explored KD. |
Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: September 27 2008 at 02:37
| Mesh ugg UH |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: September 27 2008 at 03:14
|
Meshuggah by a hair, if only because it is slightly more to my taste. Both bands have produced incredible works IMO. ------------- 
|
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: September 27 2008 at 03:38
|
Kayo Dot!
------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: Jake Kobrin
Date Posted: September 28 2008 at 01:23
|
Meshuggah... by far.
------------- http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dr-Neil-Kobrin/244687105562746" rel="nofollow - SUPPORT MY FATHER AND BECOME A FAN Jacob Kobrin Illustration |
Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: September 28 2008 at 12:00
|
I voted for Meshuggah in an attempt to close the gap a little. ------------- www.last.fm/user/ThisCenotaph
|
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: September 28 2008 at 16:20
|
Have not heard enough Kayo dot to have an opinion. although if it were a battle with Maudlin of the Well, I would have to give the nod to MOTW. Kidmans vocals have just worn me out at this point.
------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |