Mew for inclusion on PA
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Topic: Mew for inclusion on PA
Posted By: UMUR
Subject: Mew for inclusion on PA
Date Posted: September 22 2008 at 10:22
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I would like to suggest the Danish pop/rock band Mew for inclusion in the crossover catagory on PA. Now I know suggestions for this catagory are always considered to be controversial because most bands in the catagory are only slightly progressive. Bands like Radiohead, Pineapple Thief and Muse who some people donīt think should be here have also created a fierce debate. Iīm of the exact opposite opinion as I think that anything with just a slight prog influence should be represented on PA in either the crossover or the prog-related catagory. Mew belongs in the same catagory as the above mentioned bands which means that their music is pop/ rock with progressive tendencies. Now when you listen to their music to evaluate if you think they should be added to PA I want you to listen to songs from the album that is called Mew and the Glass Handed Kites as that is the album from Mew that I think has most progressive tendencies. And donīt just listen to the hits. Listen to the whole album and Iīm sure youīll agree that Mew belongs here on PA.
Let me list some of the things that I feel makes Mew worthy for inclusion on PA: 1. On Mew and the Glass Handed Kites all songs seque into each other to form a sort a concept album. 2. Lots of time signature changes both in the instrumentation and the vocal melodies. 3. Beautiful symphonic sections 4. An original and distinct lead singer I hope to see lots of comments and especially comments from the crossover team would be very welcome. Mewīs official homepage: http://www.mewsite.com/ - http://www.mewsite.com/ You can find links on the homepage to Mewīs myspace and Mew on YouTube. With kind regards UMUR
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: September 22 2008 at 21:19
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Mew are on my "hold" list - we have evaluated and rejected them in the past, but accept that they are on the fringes of Prog we so haven't lost sight of them completely.
As you probably know, the Alt Prog/New Prog movement currently sits either side of the border between Crossover and Prog Related, and to my mind Mew is standing on that line. So, to be honest with you - I'm waiting to hear the new album to see if they have crossed the line into one or the other.
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: September 23 2008 at 06:47
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I canīt say that I agree that Mew donīt belong in the crossover catagory with bands like Radiohead, Pineapple Thief, Muse and The Dear Hunter or in the prog-related catagory with bands like Blackfield, Kingīs X or Mercury Rev.
If youīve listened to Mew and the Glass Handed Kites from start to finish youīll know that itīs a kind of concept album and then youīll probably notice the many time signature changes that Mew use in their songs. I ask you then: Do you not consider these features to be progressive ? Time signature changes in pop/ rock is not something you hear everyday on the radio and itīs not everyday that you hear commercial music with a concept. Many of the above mentioned bands donīt have progressive features that are that obvious but are still included on PA ( They deserve to be here, I donīt question that). I donīt see why you hesitate ?
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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: September 23 2008 at 11:33
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Mew at this point is at LEAST prog-related. I think And the Glass Handed Kites is an indisputably progressive record. The textures and arrangements can't be anything else. The songs are loaded with polyrhythms, multi-part harmonies, rich atmospheres, non-conventional structures, etc. I think there needs to be a serious reconsideration. ------------- www.last.fm/user/ThisCenotaph  
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: September 23 2008 at 13:40
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As I said, I think they are borderline between the two - and I want them to be in Crossover, not Prog Related. Yes, we could add them to PR now, but I would prefer to wait for their next album (which I understand is imminent), I'm not convinced that Glass Handed Kites is a 100% Progressive Rock album, to me it is an Alt/Indie album with strong progressive tendencies that classify it as Art Rock in the broadest terms - which would make it eligible for Prog Related, but I have a gut-feel that it would be a poor category for them to be grouped into, especially if the continue to develop as they have been doing. All the stylistic elements you state, eg time signature changes, do exist in Art Rock, but not all Art Rock is Progressive Rock as we define it here (or anywhere else come to that). ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_rock#Relationship_with_progressive_rock - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_rock#Relationship_with_progressive_rock ) ------------- What? |
Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: September 23 2008 at 13:45
I fully agree with this statement. Again, how is that not progressive? I would like to see some of the bands put into a little alternative prog subsection, it's kind of hard to find some of those bands. |
Moatilliatta wrote:Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: September 23 2008 at 14:01
I donīt see why itīs neccesary to wait for their next album when Mew and the Glass Handed Kites more than qualifies for an inclusion in the crossover catagory, but I can see that youīre of a different opinion . Itīs too bad that there are not more people here on PA who knows about Mew. Iīm sure there would be a few more who would chose my side and make comments if there were . Maybe thatīs wishful thinking but I really do believe that Mew would be a great addition to this site .
I guess weīll have to wait for the new album to come out
 . But be assured that I will bump up this thread the minute the new album hits the streets and expect an answer .With kind regards
UMUR
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: September 23 2008 at 14:19
| I'd certainly agree they have a place here. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: September 23 2008 at 14:25
I agree - which is why I don't believe that Prog Related is the ideal place for any of these bands.
Placing Alternative/Indie Rock bands who incorporate elements of Progressive Rock into existing PA subgenres leaves them scattered through the Archive; from Psyche/Space Rock (Oceansize, Bardo Pond), Heavy Prog (TMV), Crossover (The Deerhoof, The Dear Hunter, 3, PRR, Immune, Dredg), Prog Related (Muse, C&C, Mercury Rev, Super Furry Animals) and Post Rock (*insert your own list here*
 ) and leaves a larger number outside the PA completely (Elysian Fields, Mystery Jets, Doves, etc.) - that hardly makes them easy to find.When you consider that terms like New Prog, Nu Prog, Alt Prog, Post Prog and simply modern Art Rock have been thrown at these bands throughout the interweb, perhaps it is time to set the standard.  ------------- What? |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: September 23 2008 at 14:25
Happy reading UMUR:
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=48567&KW=Mew&PID=2841381#2841381 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=48567&KW=Mew&PID=2841381#2841381
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33344&KW=Mew&PID=2344138#2344138 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33344&KW=Mew&PID=2344138#2344138
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=30486&KW=Mew&PID=2239460#2239460 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=30486&KW=Mew&PID=2239460#2239460
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=29384&KW=Mew&PID=2205984#2205984 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=29384&KW=Mew&PID=2205984#2205984
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25766&KW=Mew&PID=2064878#2064878 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25766&KW=Mew&PID=2064878#2064878
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25461&KW=Mew&PID=2053428#2053428 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25461&KW=Mew&PID=2053428#2053428
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23687&KW=Mew&PID=1988648#1988648 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23687&KW=Mew&PID=1988648#1988648
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=21257&KW=Mew&PID=1919786#1919786 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=21257&KW=Mew&PID=1919786#1919786
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11979&KW=Mew&PID=1618193#1618193 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11979&KW=Mew&PID=1618193#1618193
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: September 23 2008 at 15:29
| Happy reading indeed. Glad to see that others agree with me that Mew does belong here. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 23 2008 at 16:20
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interesting... again... I'll wait for the new album... and Mew will be placed accordingly...
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Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: September 23 2008 at 23:16
100% agreed on every last word. |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: September 24 2008 at 00:53
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It seems that there is an agreement that Mew should be here. If you donīt have the intention of adding them yourselves please give me notice the minute they are cleared for addition and Iīll collect pictures, album info and create a bio. Iīve noticed that some bands on ProgFreak, who have been cleared for addition several years ago, are still not added which is a shame. Mew shall not suffer the same destiny if I have anything to say about it.
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Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: September 24 2008 at 03:21
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Love the band, but don't really see a place for them here. Then again, indie pop darlings The Decemberists are here...
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: September 24 2008 at 04:34
I agree that Mew from what I have heard do not have a place here......Decemberists IMO a whole different ball game............ and deservedly are here.------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: September 24 2008 at 05:23
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^ They write long songs, yes, but it's still indie pop (which I love, BTW). ANYWAY... Same thing kind of goes for Mew. Once again, indie pop with some good ideas and a really good approach to songwriting. But not necessarily prog, in my mind. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: September 24 2008 at 06:05
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Hi Chris
And what exactly have you heard ? which exact songs have you heard to evaluate Mew ?
And to you Avantgardehead: Indie pop ???? to me indie pop is stripped down/ garage bands with a deliberate lack of commercial potential. Mew is quite the opposite. A sophisticated pop/ rock band with beautiful, elaborate and clever arrangelments. Just because they have lots of commercial potential and that they are backed by a giant record company doesnīt mean that their music donīt belong here. Indie ??? NO NO NO.
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: September 24 2008 at 06:45
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Hi UMUR
As I said in my thread " From what I have heard....."
Their main site is down and I have only heard the four songs available off the myspace site. The beginning of Apocalypso signs proggy but goes very alternative or Indie as Avantegardhead says afterwards as do all the other tracks. I gather they have a new album coming out but sorry from what I have heard off myspace they do not fill the category Clever POP indeed though.------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: September 24 2008 at 08:09
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Hi Chris
Listen to the whole album from an end and youīll probably find more progressive moments than the "hit" songs on Myspace as I also advised people to do in my introduction to the thread. The problem with suggesting bands on PA is that people only listen to what the bands present on their myspace site and that tends to be the most commercial material which means that itīs the material most prog heads wouldnīt find interesting. If you truly mean to evaluate a band I think itīs required that you listen to most of their discography or at the very least to what your fellow progheads suggest you should listen to. Until you have heard the whole album Mew and the Glass Handed Kites I donīt think your opinion is very valuable or valid for that matter ( donīt take this an offence, itīs just an opinion).
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: September 24 2008 at 16:02
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Like I said their site was down. Shame about the myspace site only putting commercial music up. One wonders who their target audience is albeit quite a few visits to the website.
No offence taken UMUR about validity, we all have sell by dates, and my opinion clearly has expired on this one ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: avalanchemaster
Date Posted: August 29 2009 at 16:14
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http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=60878 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=60878
YES! please admit them already!!!!!!! ------------- http://www.amazon.com/gp/shops/storefront/index.html?ie=UTF8&marketplaceID=ATVPDKIKX0DER&sellerID=AP |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: August 30 2009 at 01:46
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Talk about opening a can of worms. Itīs nice to know that others feel as I do about Mew getting included on PA though. Be prepared to fight for your opinion Ehron. This is a controversial suggestion. ------------- http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/" rel="nofollow - Metal Music Archives https://rateyourmusic.com/~UMUR" rel="nofollow - UMUR on RYM |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 30 2009 at 04:40
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It's not a controversial suggestion, nor is it a can of worms, and I sincerely hope that no one is prepared to fight the Crossover team on this. If on hearing the new album (like I promised) we find it not suitable for Crossover then I will personally nominate them for Prog Related. ------------- What? |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: August 30 2009 at 05:04
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Thanks Dean
...and I didnīt mean fight in an unpleasant way. I just meant that he would have to prepare some valid arguments because there has been some resistance against the inclusion of Mew. So I meant prepare for discussion not fight in a literal way. And I would call Mew a controversial suggestion since itīs taken somewhere between 2 or 3 years since the first suggestion and hopefully the soon to be revealed verdict. One of the very difficult borderline cases. Mew is commercial pop/ rock at itīs core but has enough sophisticated and innovative elements to be a great addition to PA IMO. ------------- http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/" rel="nofollow - Metal Music Archives https://rateyourmusic.com/~UMUR" rel="nofollow - UMUR on RYM |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 30 2009 at 05:29
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^ if you make it a " http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51908 - controversial " addition then by site rules they would need the unanimous vote of all Xover team members for inclusion and not just the majority vote. Mew are listed as "Neo/Art/Post" on Progressive Ears and "not yet classified" on ProGGnosis - given that, I'm prepared to say they would not be a controversial addition - we are just deciding whether to add them to Xover or to nominate them for Prog Related. ------------- What? |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: August 30 2009 at 05:42
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Ok then I guess I misunderstand the term controversial in this case. I have no desire to make it even harder to get them included. Letīs just say they are a difficult borderline case which is evident when you look at the time itīs taken to evaluate them. My personal preference would be Crossover but itīs nice to hear that youīre keeping a door open for prog related. ------------- http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/" rel="nofollow - Metal Music Archives https://rateyourmusic.com/~UMUR" rel="nofollow - UMUR on RYM |
Posted By: bartje
Date Posted: August 31 2009 at 15:35
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I've just been told off for suggesting that Mew should be on this site - I think the above posts in favour of Mew are spot on! - Hope 'No more stories...' closes this debate - great site by the way! lol Bartje
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: August 31 2009 at 16:02
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No, bartje, you were simply pointed out that there's already a topic suggesting Mew for inclusion. This one.
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: August 31 2009 at 16:25
 HAI I MUST BE ON PORG ARKIVES ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: bartje
Date Posted: August 31 2009 at 16:53
| Fair comment- just a little frustrated that Mew have -after all this time not been included yet-just my ( and quite a few other people's opinions.) Thanks for guiding me towards this discussion though. - Bartje |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 31 2009 at 16:59
Try this one Rob
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: August 31 2009 at 18:11
What's wrong with mine?  (Forgive me if I don't know Pokemon as well as you, Dean  )------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 31 2009 at 18:34
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It shows as a great big red-cross "no leach" image, not the Mew image.
When your kids grow and get into things like Pokemon, or whatever craze will be around then, you'll know loads of things you never knew now, and never thought you'd ever know, or ever wanted to know. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: August 31 2009 at 18:37
The image shows up fine on my computer. Oh well.Anyway, my job actually requires me to know things like Pokemon.  ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Yoke
Date Posted: September 02 2009 at 10:30
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PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE add Mew to PA. Having listened to the new record they definitely belong to the site. My personal preference would be crossover as well. Come on people! |
Posted By: Abyssal Sheep
Date Posted: September 03 2009 at 10:15
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I definitely agree Mew should be included, either in Crossover or in Prog-Related, though crossover fits them perfectly in my opinion. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: September 03 2009 at 10:17
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Oh, stop your mewling! I'll get my coat... ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: September 05 2009 at 17:40
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I haven't seen this thread yet, but I would say certainly. Xover might be pushing it, but at least Prog Related.
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Posted By: bartje
Date Posted: September 08 2009 at 16:02
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Mew should definitely be here - confused as to why they are not -but hey that's what this site's 'team' seem to think - pity - love the new album though -hope anyone else who like Mew does too- that after all is much more important -enjoy their music - maybe one day the 'team' will see the light -cheers Frengers! |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: September 09 2009 at 00:01
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Letīs be patient and give the Crossover team time to listen to the new album bartje. Donīt make hasty conclusions. As far as I know the Crossover team have agreed to evaluate Mew after the release of the new album. They will have to aquire the album before being able to evaluate it and that might take some time. The evaluation itself can also be a time consuming process sometimes ( the team have many other artists to evaluate). Iīm sure the Crossover team will post their decision in this thread when that time comes right? ------------- http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/" rel="nofollow - Metal Music Archives https://rateyourmusic.com/~UMUR" rel="nofollow - UMUR on RYM |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: September 09 2009 at 02:24
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^ Cheers dude
I am looking forward to hearing the new Mew album - I thouroughly enjoyed Glass...Kites. I tried to buy it at the weekend but the record store didn't have a copy - I'll be ordering it from amazon on my next bulk order. ------------- What? |
Posted By: bartje
Date Posted: September 09 2009 at 16:52
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Thanks for reply Umur , The album has been out for more than two weeks -many prog ,indie, alt etc. websites have reviewed 'No More Stories ...' including the generally mainstream Sunday Times Culture Magazine ( CD of the week feature by the way) - so I do feel that Prog Archives should be a bit more 'on the ball' about this - anyway I will be patient- it's about the music not the website n'est-ce pas -respectfully Bartje
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Posted By: moe_blunts
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 11:10
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No More Stories totally blew me away. Amazing album and quite progressive. Mew definitely deserve to be in the archives.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 17:47
I still haven't got a satisfactory answer to my question regarding if this is actually a band made of kittens, mew mew meeeewwww???? 
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 17:52
That, of course, would get a YES vote from me ! |
Posted By: broomhilda
Date Posted: September 22 2009 at 21:02
| Sorry guys. I didn't know there was a post of this. MEW knock the hell out of the Muse. That new disk totally awesome. |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: October 08 2009 at 20:44
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Any news from either the Xover or Prog Related teams? -Jeff -------------
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 09 2009 at 02:16
Yeah, one of the Xover team members house got flooded and he's now living in temporary accommodation with no internet.  ------------- What? |
Posted By: Qboyy007
Date Posted: October 09 2009 at 03:15
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I can really only see Mew as Prog-Related. They have progressive elements, but they still don't really do the progressive term justice. ------------- Hay Budday |
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: October 13 2009 at 18:21
| I agree that Mew should be on PA. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 05:33
Patience is indeed a virtue. Thanks for waiting, but the moment has come, ladies and gentlemen, I give you:
Well done Olav
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Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 05:41
An easy addition with the preparations you other guys had done :-) ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 06:10
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Thatīs great. I know a lot of people have been waiting for this. Good work Olav. ------------- http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/" rel="nofollow - Metal Music Archives https://rateyourmusic.com/~UMUR" rel="nofollow - UMUR on RYM |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 06:18
I had to purchase both Kites and Stories to do this evaluation using my own money, so a little less of the "on the ball" nonsense if you don't mind. ------------- What? |