Christian Lyrics vs Death Metal Growls
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Topic: Christian Lyrics vs Death Metal Growls
Posted By: Yorkie X
Subject: Christian Lyrics vs Death Metal Growls
Date Posted: September 03 2008 at 23:35
The thought just popped into my head about doing this poll , maybe God put it there or the Neal Morse CD I just finished playing may have helped ... now for some Opeth 
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Posted By: Prometheus
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 00:46
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oh come on, this is a choice between something artistic -- something that probes into one's very humanity -- and something cheap and silly -- something that, moreover, grates on the ears -- you can only choose Death Metal Growls. ------------- "Tell me why world, unfathomable and good, The beauty of everything is infinite and cruel." --Kayo Dot |
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 01:15
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I've always found Christian bands very boring, despite the fact that I'm a Christian. And I really like Death Metal Growls, they're always good for giving the song a new brutality if done right. I suppose both can be fantastic if used correctly. But I don't think Christian lyrics are a bad thing, it's just that they appear more often in bad music.
Maybe I should get some of that Neal Morse stuff. ------------- 
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Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 01:52
| depends, i like death growls but sometimes i like christian lyrics, depends the mood. More often i like death , but for example i kinda like Stryper from time to time, i think the best christian band ever. |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 02:07
I'm an Atheist
Death Growls.
I'm a fair bit into death metal itself, so it was an easy choice for me. ------------- 
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 02:09
| Christian lyrics, but only if they're sincerely Christian. Most modern "religious" music that I've heard seems to have very little substance. |
Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 02:23
A combination of the two. Death growled christian lyrics  oh sh*t me saying that has probably led to Neal Morse reading this, having a brainwave and ringing Mikael Akefeldt to come and feature on his 2009 album. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....Wait That would be awesome  ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 03:26
| Careful now. threads like this have had to be closed in the past because of a lack of tolerance and respect. Remember this is a music section. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 04:01
| Christian lyrics, especially when they are backed by good music (Neal Morse, Iona, ...). |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 04:09
oh, you've found two of my pet hates here...if you'd included overused double-bass drumming, you'd have has them all...
I'm afraid I can't listen to Opeth because of the christian lyrics, and I can't cope with neal Morse's death metal growls, in equal measure...  ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 08:31
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I prefer decent singing over death metal any day, really. But I would like to make this comment about Christian lyricists (myself being among them)- Guys like Kerry Livgren and Neal Morse, both of whom I have a great deal of respect for, got, well, sloppy after they became Christians. Livgren's lyrics got sloppy because of bad rhymes and some strange need to remain "mystical." Morse got sloppy because he wrote lyrics that sometimes didn't seem to fit the meter of the song. This isn't a blanket criticism of either of them (some of my favorite lyrics in all of progressive rock music came from Livgren's pen), but they do tend to be hit or miss. |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 08:40
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There isn't an option for shoving a pencil into my eye. I can't stand death metal vocals at all, while I find some of the less preachy, more spiritual, Christian lyrics (e.g. Iona, TFK, etc.) not only tolerable, but enjoyable. The heavy preaching of Morse I could do without though. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Darklord55
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 09:00
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With a very few exceptions, imho, Christian lyrics tend to be very cheesy, and sappy for the most part. The Jesus is our boyfriend or locker room buddy mentality really grates on my nerves. Death metal growls and lyrics cause on to examine the soul. We will all have our day with the grim reaper. Groooooowl!
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Posted By: puma
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 12:03
| The only christian band I can stomach is Kansas, their album from 2001 is great, and their albums from the early 80s aren't terrible either. And Proto-Kaw as well, Kerry Livgren really is the best christian musician out there. |
Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 12:12
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I think there's varying degrees of both, and the stereotypes come from both being done rather poorly I find most Christian music (ESPECIALLY the soft rock/alternative stuff that my church sang) to be terribly uninspired....I think anytime you have a singular topic for all of your lyrics it will start to wear itself thin rather quickly ------------- 
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 12:24
That's exactly what's the problem with many Christian bands. The lyrics would be better and more convincing if Christianity was not the topic of the song, but something that shows through in how the topic is presented. (The good thing about death metal growls is that it doesn't matter what the topic is because it's impossible for anyone to decipher the lyrics.) |
heyitsthatguy wrote:Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 12:32
haha. I second that. |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 13:23
Mortification would like a word with you.  ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 13:38
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Both are extremely hard to do well. The two of those elements done badly have turned me away from otherwise good music. And both metal and Christianity are home base for me, though I've expanded my scope in both music and religion. I think both force a narrowing that is difficult to overcome.The closest thing to death vocals that I feel is completely successful musically is Devin Townsend's rapid-fire triplet screams in "Earth Day." And that's not really death voice. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 13:54
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I have nothing agains any of these... I have more issues with some primitive and blatant Church bashing. Saviour Machine and Callisto are two excellent prog metal bands, who have a Christian lyrical background, and they don't "preach." |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 14:55
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I donñt listen to christian lyrics, but not cause Im against them, I just dont usually like those bands. But I do like a ton of metal with growling... so...
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Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 16:48
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I'm an Opeth fanboy. What did you honestly think I was going to pick?
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 17:05
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I can't stand growling, and some of my favorite bands/artists are King's X, Neal Morse/Spock's Beard, and Kansas/Kerry Livgren. I also liked Stryper and Petra (where Ty Tabor and Dug Pinnick of King's X met) back in the day, although admittedly cheesy hair metal. I'm not a religious person and don't necessarily care for the preaching per se, but I still generally prefer the message delivered in Christian music more than the message delivered in Black/Death/Doom metal. ------------- 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 17:18
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How about ... Christian Death Metal Growls? ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 17:24
that's entirely possible.. how about a track called 'Legion' telling the story about casting the demons out of the madman, into the herd of pigs... there's bound to be some growling (and squealing...  ) in that one...------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 17:28
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^ I suspect that I probably would not like Christian Death Metal Growls either. I don't suspect that there are any examples of that though. -------------
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 17:31
^^ How about Orphaned Land's Mabool...not christian, but certainly Biblical Death Metal growls... ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 17:32
This one!  One good example is Becoming The Archetype. ------------- 
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 17:33
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Growling for me. Which is odd coming out of my mouth... since I hated them years ago.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 18:12
That's a great example ... I *love* their albums! ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Yorkie X
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 20:46
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 21:51
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Don't like Death Metal at all and despite I'm a Catholic, I don't like the Christian lyrics created for Evangelistic purpose.
Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 22:03
ULTIMATE FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Check out Becoming the archtype, all their lyrics are christian, and even their name suggests christianity. Also Callisto, a post metal group with equally christian lyrics. Dirge, thepost/drone doom band is alseo very christian with one song that repeats "talk to jesus". Also, the hugely popular Devil Wears prada, the US metalcore band is just as big on christianity.
Whatch what you say. ------------- 
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: September 05 2008 at 03:29
There are at least thousands of Christian Death Metal bands and Unblack metal bands across the world. -------------
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: September 05 2008 at 03:32
Generalization  I've had little trouble making out the lyrics in Opeth in the death growl vocal sections. -------------
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: September 05 2008 at 09:32
Mortification is one example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortification_%28band%29 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortification_(band) , along with many bands along the 'metalcore' lines such as Zao, Underoath and Norma Jean.
See Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unblack_metal - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unblack_metal ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: September 05 2008 at 10:02
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Go figure. One would think if there was one subject matter that wouldn't be breached with black/death/doom metal vocals it would be Christian music. Of course, I suppose I thought the same about regular metal music and then Stryper came along. -------------
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: September 05 2008 at 18:15
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Growls, no question.
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