PA's Battle to Stardom A1: Marillion v. Mahavishnu
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Topic: PA's Battle to Stardom A1: Marillion v. Mahavishnu
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Subject: PA's Battle to Stardom A1: Marillion v. Mahavishnu
Date Posted: August 30 2008 at 22:59
Well, here it is. I said I'd be back.  I want to avoid any sort of sequel idea here; this is an entirely new tournament with some new faces and several old ones. However, if you were around very early this year, you may remember my "Ultimate Prog Tournament", wherein King Crimson was crowned champion and Yes runner-up. In this tournament, none of the "monster" top 4 bands are included, and there are no rankings. You'll have to be surprised on the matchups though this time, as I'm not revealing them until they individually come. All the matchups were selected entirely at random. Here we go out the starting gate with two old competitors! Which one will be given the first edge of the tournament? Make sure you vote while you have the chance and get your favorite bands to the top!  Discussions are heavily encouraged. With each poll's first post, I will recap previous matches. Each poll will last roughly anywhere from 4 to 8 days depending on determination of vote distributions. In case of tiebreak, polls will last beyond a certain time and will be specified in the original post with editing. ------------- 
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: August 30 2008 at 23:01
| Could never really get into Marillion, though I tried. MO easily for me. |
Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: August 30 2008 at 23:08
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Marillion is one of my top 10 bands of all time mostly because of Fish and the first 4 albums. MO, while I like them, just isn't a fair comparison. Marillion it is. ------------- 
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Posted By: YesFan72
Date Posted: August 30 2008 at 23:09
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I've listening to MO for 3 years, and didn't listen to much Marillion yet.
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Posted By: febus
Date Posted: August 30 2008 at 23:13
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MARILLON, this is cute like their name, but how do you compare them to MAHAVISHNU ORCHESTRA, the ultimate fusion warriors?
Absolutely nothing in common, Mondavi versus ST.Emilion to me!! Just mentionning the names of Billy Cobham, John McLauglin, Jan Hammer is hell of scary.....there is no competition...Can't be!!
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Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: August 30 2008 at 23:22
| Mahavishnu because of all their Marillion owning powers. |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: August 30 2008 at 23:39
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Mahavishnu's first two albums are a tough match against Marillion's first four. Both sets are absolutely amazing and completely different styles of music. I love them both, but I have to side with Marillion. I tend to agree with Bird on this one. -------------
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Posted By: listen
Date Posted: August 31 2008 at 04:04
| tough choice. both are somewhat on the fringes of my interest in prog, so i don't feel strongly inclined in either direction. MO is technically better, but in terms of songwriting and sound, I think I like Marillion more (mostly where they sound similar to genesis, esp misplaced childhood), although i don't really like their lyrics. I guess i'll go with Marillion, but on another day I might easily go with MO. |
Posted By: Anderson III
Date Posted: August 31 2008 at 04:28
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Mahavishnu Orchestra is one of my three most favored bands! The others are Yes and Crimson, and since even Genesis isn't this high in my list, you can imagine Marillion won't touch MO. ------------- "Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and cannot remain silent" - Victor Hugo |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: August 31 2008 at 06:02
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Marillion. I like Mahavishnu Orchestra, but their are better fusion bands out there (Miles Davies circa Bitches Brew for one).
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: August 31 2008 at 06:17
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For sheer technical prowess, there is no comparison, MO blows Marillion out of the water. But...when it comes to my listening enjoyment, I find Marillion to be far superior to MO. Actually, even when it comes solely to fusion bands, I much prefer listening to early Brand X or Holdsworth-era Soft Machine to MO. Marillion on the other hand has provided me with untold hours (months?) of listening pleasure. Marillion it is. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: August 31 2008 at 06:43
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The Mahavishnu Orchestra takes my vote. *formats up* Marillion Albums owned: Script For A Jester's Tear (3), Clutching At Straws (4) (heard a couple of other bits and bobs) General opinion of band: *** (3/5, good) The Mahavishnu Orchestra Albums owned: The Inner Mounting Flame (4), Birds Of Fire (5), Apocalypse (4) General opinion of band: **** (4/5, excellent) Essentially, I find Marillion a bit prone to weaknesses and moments that I don't like, which in turn reduces my enjoyment of the large swathes that I do like. TMO's musicianship is stunning every time, even if I'm sometimes picky about my instrumentals. I'd consider TMO one of the best and most emotive jazzy/musicianship-based bands that I've heard, while I wouldn't say that Marillion is one of the best songwriting-based ones. |
Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: August 31 2008 at 07:06
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MO are admirable but Marillion get me... ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: white_russian
Date Posted: August 31 2008 at 07:57
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marillion. one of my all-time favourites. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/white_russian"> 
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Posted By: LeInsomniac
Date Posted: August 31 2008 at 11:34
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I admire and love MO techincal skill's and since I'm a big Jazz-Rock/Fusion fan, I would normlly go with them; however, I've been starting to hear Marillion, and although there is no comparison between the two groups (different styles and approach to music) I've enjoyed the albums I own from them (Script...Misplaced...Brave andd Marbles but this last one I'm still starting to hear).
Marillion for me. Though It could easily be Mahavishnu Orchestra for me, in another day. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/LeInsomniac/?chartstyle=volta"> 
Happy Family One Hand Clap, Four Went On But None Came Back |
Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: August 31 2008 at 13:11
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I cant vote since I HAVE NOT HEARD both bands full output.Hope ELP wins this contest |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: August 31 2008 at 13:49
| MO gets my vote. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 31 2008 at 14:05
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One blew me away; the other is okay. Mahavishnu Orchestra for me. They hardly compare, really. I actually grew to like Marillion rather more, but it never had the effect on me that MO did. They are so different -- one is more melodic rock, the other is something very different. I have a suggestion for these polls since there are only two bands to choose from (especially worthwhile when one gets into the lesser-known bands). Provide links to music samples for those who don't know both or either, and make it a condition that people only vote after familiarising themselves with both (so people can vote based on the links to music). I don't know how others feel, but the best thing about polls for me is discovering new to me music. And a different poll question, rather than favourite, this time round might be interesting since otherwise it's, well, trodding the same kind of territory, and might elicit more thoughtful responses, as well as demand a certain level of familiarity with the music. For instance: Which of these bands do you feel progressed rock more/ is more progressive? Maybe not that question for apples and oranges ones.... So here's a MO myspace page: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=53939978 - http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=53939978 And here's Marillion's official myspace site: %3cspan%20class= - http://www.myspace.com/marillion">http://www.myspace.com/marillion Some youtube live videos (often feel that "live" performance are a great way to judge a band). An MO one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtSIEkPqVgk - YouTube - Mahavishnu Orchestra: One Word Marillion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeoxxpVUQgs - YouTube - Marillion : Neverland (Live) |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: August 31 2008 at 14:08
ELP is making a comeback. -------------
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crimson87 wrote:Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: August 31 2008 at 14:14
Thanks for the reply, Logan. I anticipated that you'd reply to this thread. The link to band pages is a very good idea. I'll definitely at least link to the PA pages so that if someone is unfamiliar with a band they can just click the link and at least retrieve some information as quickly as possible. Your question change is definitely a good thought as well... but since I selected 32 bands and randomly hooked them up this time (rather than spending time to rank them), I think the polls end up being much more of "apples vs. oranges"... It would make a question of "progressiveness" extremely hard to answer most of the time. I'm going to stick with the "prefer" question, but this certainly has sparked ideas for further non-related polls of mine in the future (not in tournament style). I extremely appreciated your thoughts about half a year ago and this is no exception.  -------------
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Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: August 31 2008 at 14:17
So Emerson and Lake have gotten together and made nice with each other? |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: August 31 2008 at 14:30
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As a better band, exploring new grounds, better musicians, etc, Mahavishnu easily, but it's a preference poll, then Marillion does it for me.
B-Sides Themselves, Script, Fugazi and Misplaced Childhood are all essential Neo Prog stuff. |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: August 31 2008 at 16:11
That'd be awesome. Though we'd probably have to expect another "Black Moon" at best.  -------------
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 31 2008 at 16:20
Thanks; I appreciate your polls, and that you encourage and engage people on points that they raise.  Favourite is best for these since these are apples and oranges, and because of the nature of the tournament.. And I like apples and oranges polls, especially because it can bring together people with diverse musical tastes. You have unusually eclectic tastes, something I can't but help respect about you (willing to not only try everything, but the musical ability and maturity to be able to appreciate so many different kinds of music). Such people are a real credit to the site. I have found in polls I've started where I've tried to include music samples that many voters did not bother to familairise themselves with the music before voting even though requested to do so (and the problem with questions other than favourite is that many vote without reading the question -- have had some fun with that in the past, and been slightly disheartened at other times -- for deeper questions perhaps the poll isteslf can be too much of a distraction when it comes to the discussion sometimes). |
Posted By: febus
Date Posted: August 31 2008 at 16:37
No , but you have a new KEITH EMERSON BAND that just came out....was a link on some PA forum last week, just can't find it now..of course
..Try your luck as the samples sound...........GREAT!!, believe me....old ELP, not Black moon!
Let me know
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Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: September 01 2008 at 04:08
| Marillion for me. |
Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: September 01 2008 at 06:12
Here is the link to Keith's website: http://www.keithemerson.com - http://www.keithemerson.com
Saw Keith Emerson Band live last week and it was incredible! Almost 3 hours of music - best of ELP and some pieces from new album, extremely powerful. Very good singer, Marc Bonilla's voice is a little higher-toned than Lake's, but fits well to ELP music. Huge set of keyboards, including Keith famous modular Moog. Mindblowing!
Set-list:
Intro – Ignition
1st Presence Welcome Back Piano Concerto Bitches Crystal Malambo Touch & Go Lucky Man Miles Away 1+2 Crusaders Cross Fugue Marche Train Finale The Barbarian Prelude to a Hope From the Beginning Hoedown Tarkus (more than 30 minutes version) Encore:
Fanfare Nutrocker New album is already released in Japan, in September - October it will be released in Europe and USA
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: September 01 2008 at 08:36
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: September 01 2008 at 08:38
Wow.  I'll definitely have to check that out. I wasn't aware that he was working with anything like that. Splendid. *adds to increasingly infinite list*  -------------
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Posted By: Yorkie X
Date Posted: September 01 2008 at 11:09
often in these polls when there is atleast some link people will still say apples and oranges , what I find interesting is that few have said that to this poll and its never been so applicable ? 
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: September 01 2008 at 11:43
That's what the explanation in the first post is for. -------------
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Posted By: febus
Date Posted: September 01 2008 at 11:52
Yes, great poll,Movingpictures................but the damn MARILLOn is winning so far
Can't believe Maclaughlin and Billy Cobham beaten by.......Marrillon!!!!
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: September 01 2008 at 11:58
Haha, I get extremely into these polls myself and they're so much fun (yet can also drive you crazy). Back in January I was always checking and I was like, "NOOO CAMEL IS AHEAD OF MAGMA!! I WILL KILL THEM ALL!!1  "I love both Marillion and Mahavishnu, but when push comes to shove I'll choose Marillion. *hides behind Fish*   -------------
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: September 01 2008 at 18:58
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^I picked based on the fact that Marillion are the best Neo prog band going, where as their are better bands than Mahavishnu Orchestra in Fusion, IMO.
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Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: September 01 2008 at 22:58
| The great Maha. Orchest. OF COURSE. Marillion can't hold a candle or even a small cup to them. |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: September 02 2008 at 00:54
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Mahavishnu Orchestra probably cos I never liked Marillion... or any Neo-Prog for that matter lol.
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Posted By: 33rpm
Date Posted: September 02 2008 at 01:42
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The Mahavishnu Orchestra by far. ------------- Vinyl just sounds better!! |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 19:18
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Mahavishnu, they have all the potential to easy steamroller Marillion! -------------  |
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 19:43
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Tough because MO was a tremendous musical experience but could not sustain itself (egos?) while Marillion had a long storied carreer with only one "fishy" change . I guess I am clutching at straws! ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: September 04 2008 at 19:48
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I love Fusion, but Mahavishnu went too far for me, my vote is for Fish's Marillion.
Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: explodingjosh
Date Posted: September 08 2008 at 19:57
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I'm glad this poll is about preference.... I saw how Marillon was ahead of Maha and was thinking 'WTF??'. One more for the Mahavishnu Orchestra. ------------- 
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Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: September 08 2008 at 20:26
| I'd still go with MO on this. A lot of talent in that band. |
Posted By: Bitterblogger
Date Posted: September 08 2008 at 20:33
As the saying goes in my peer group, "what he said"...
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