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Topic: Historic Times
Posted By: Atavachron
Subject: Historic Times
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 19:45
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I avoid politics like the plague but what's happening in U.S. politics right now is easily one of the most important moments in this country's - and the world's - history. Win or lose, Barack Obama being nominated by a major political party for President is not just a breakthrough for civil rights or race in this nation, but for all people. What an exciting, almost unbelievable time. |
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 20:59
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oh David... I couldn't agree more... watched the convention tonight.. for one of the very ...very rare times.. I felt genuine pride in this country. It really was a breakthrough. Can't wait to see his speech tomorrow night.... want so badly to feel inspired... not choose between the lesser of two charlatans telling people only what they want to here.. who have absolutely NO concept of what it means to not face real day struggles and fears. I don't know if Obama does.. suspect he at least WANTS to understand.. .McCain though.. does not.. will forever respect his service to his country... but completely out of touch with common americans. let's hope this is a beginning of something new... like Clinton was ..what seems like so many years ago. A President who genuninely cares about people... not just those who support him or agree with him. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 21:07
Unfortunately I still feel that's what we have. Perhaps I'm just a lot more cynical than you. But getting this nomination was still a great achievement - going against the Clinton machine and winning was no mean political feat. So congratulations to Senator Obama. |
micky wrote:Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 21:21
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A guy was arrested recently for attempting to assassinate Obama. f**king white people!  (I'm white, so it's ok) ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: febus
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 21:25
No, It's NOT ok!!!!!!
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Posted By: Figglesnout
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 21:26
I agree. my first time to vote, and it feels much like picking the lesser of two evils for me: Do I want my toes cut off, or my ears removed...? That kind of thing. Still, it will be an interesting election. ------------- I'm a reasonable man, get off my case |
Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 21:31
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So apparently a lot of young people like me like Obama as a symbol of change. What change occurred when he was in Illinois again?
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Posted By: febus
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 21:34
The Chicago White Sox got better!!
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 21:35
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It is amazing to me that with the state of our economy and world that the Dems thus far have managed to be only even with McCain who is a fairly weak candidate. Obama's lacks of specifics and gravitas are being correctly exploited by the Right. You don't win an election with flowery language and good looks. He'd better start forcefully laying out details starting tomorrow night, he'd better start taking apart John McCain, or he is going to lose and lose big. The Dems should CRUSH the Repubs this year, and they appear to be floundering as McCain appears to be picking up steam. I don't know why but i really think Obama is gonna get blown out and the Right will continue the degradation of our country. ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 21:38
 With this being my first election, I think it wasn't too hard to sum up both candidates for me: McCain- I disagree with him on several issues. Obama- I disagree with him on EVERYTHING. Thus, I pick McCain as the lesser of two evils. Although isn't that how it is every election year? -------------
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 21:39
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Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 21:46
The only part of this I can agree with is that the election is going to be a blowout, but that's about it. And by the way, McCain is NOT, NOT, NOT a Republican no matter what the media says. He's a Centrist, a moderate, and as I said I disagree with him on several issues. Obama on the other hand is a Marxist, voted THE MOST LIBERAL SENATOR in the U.S. He's an elitist, he doesn't stand for the common American (at least McCain tries to), and he thinks every problem can be solved in this country by adding more government programs and giving people "free things". The last time I believe that happened was with Johnson's Great Society program, and those results were definitely spectacular, weren't they? Oh wait, it seems we still have poor people in this country, and many of them are fat. But how is that possible? The answer is of course because they squander billions of dollars every year THAT COMES OUT OF THE POCKETS OF AMERICANS WHO ACTUALLY WORK HARD FOR THEIR MONEY. This whole thread makes me sick. Obama has deceived many people lately. Hopefully enough of them wise up before November 4th. -------------
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 21:54
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ahhh, the Great Society......i just love the sound of those words.....i'm gonna go dream of new social programs now... ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 22:00
Wow. An impressive, intellectual response to my argument. It's obvious you didn't pay attention to anything I said. Come back when you feel like engaging in an actual conversation. -------------
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 22:02
guys, if this turns ugly I'll have it closed so fast yer head will spin |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 22:05
| sorry to say David (Atavachron) but that was inevitable. |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 22:07
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I never claimed to be an intellectual David. And I'm not looking to debate you, done enough of that in my life. But I do want to take money from guys like you and give it to the poor. ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 22:08
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Don't worry David (atavachron), you'll get no name calling from me. Just having fun.
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 22:09
As long as the discussion remains civil, I don't see a problem. David (birdwithteeth) was just continuing the discussion and FinnForest didn't even respond in a decent manner. I don't see anything wrong with the discussion continuing in this fashion... but I agree with you if it goes beyond this point, then there's no point in continuing. Why not take this opportunity to have a valid discussion though? Why couldn't FinnForest respond in a dignified manner? ------------- 
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 22:11
This is ridiculous. You're not addressing his argument at all.  You have no argument (or you don't want to), so you're trying to make him look foolish. That's completely unworthy of any respect.  -------------
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Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 22:16
Please explain how a Marxist can be 1- a US senator 2- a Party candidate 3- perhaps even president in 2008 ? Marxism is sort of a corpse by now , save for N Korea (Stalinist really) and I can't think of another one .
I am a stupid ignorant foreigner who loves to understand something I have been following astutely for 40 years. Please answer I am VERY curious ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 22:18
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Moving, was just having some fun (or so I thought). I didn't realize we were looking to have a serious policy discussion here. Apologies if poking fun was not appreciated. ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 22:19
Oh, alright, that's fine. I completely misunderstood; it came across (well, to me, anyway... I could have read it wrong too) like you were being serious. Apology accepted.  -------------
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 22:21
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No problem....but I still wanna take his money and give it to a heroin addict...
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 22:25
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 22:35
Yeah, and I heard he also fathered two black children. For that silly comment you deserve a couple of Tom Tomorrows:   Ah, hell! Why not sock you with three:  |
Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 22:35
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I'm taking this like the majority of Americans: with great feelings of apathy.  |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 22:40
don't count on that, Siam  |
Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 22:40
To answer all three of your questions at once, I'm not totally sure how a Marxist could gain so much influence in today's society. The only possible reason I can think of is that he's very charismatic and therefore is able to fool many people. An example of this being when his pastor, Rev. Wright, gave that famous "GODD**N AMERICA" speech earlier this year and Obama said that he had no idea that his pastor was such a racist man. Now, Obama has been going to Wright's church for over 20 years, so how could he possibly say that he didn't know his pastor was racist after 20 years of attending mass there every Sunday? Sorry I can't give you a better answer, but you brought up a very good point yourself of how illogical it is that a man like him is even in this position. I also have the link to the National Journal article about how Obama was voted the most liberal senator in the U.S. Feel free to browse it if you'd like: http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/ - http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/ -------------
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 22:41
that is why... in my personal opinion... this country is destined for the dustbin of history.. maybe not in my lifetime. but in my children's. The people here take what they have here for granted.. and don't realize the great power they have. You don't like the candidates... congress.... who elects them..... we do. There are other countries that are not spoiled like Americans are .... who would fight and die just to have a vote or a say. People should think about that next time you decide not to vote or get involved due to.. apathy. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 22:47
all the more reason to elect him.... we damn sure have seen the conservative leadership .. is nothing more than get rich while you can... and pander to the ignorant uneducated on the right who think that gay marriage is a f**king sin against God Like god wasn't a damn LIBERAL himself hahhahah.. that's right shoot the liberals.. .you use that like a dirty word.... .going to put Thomas Jefferson, George Mason, Benjamin Franklin against the wall as well. if he was most liberal... then I say... more power to him. You've been watching Fox too much... Liberal as a by-word for boogyman had it's day... 8 years of Bush killed that. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 22:48
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Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 22:53
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What's so funny is that the US still bandies about invalid and inane logos, labels and slogans such as LIBERAL and CONSERVATIVE (usually only 2 , ever notice there are always only 2 choices in the USA?). In East Europe, Fascist and Communist still continues after 19 years of destitution? Go figure . The oldest form of manipulation is calling someone something that they ARE NOT! Boring!!!!!!! Bird , you didn't answer my question! Racism, idiocy,lies, insanity, greed YES but Marxist????????? Where? ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 22:57
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the truth Brian... nothing like like having the patriotism of combat veterans of the first war who were opposed to the war questioned by their country and the likes of Dick Cheney.. who took multiple deferments to avoid being drafted to serve his country. stupidity.. yep.. that is conservative leadership for you... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 23:01
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Admins, if you could kindly lock down this thread before I get nasty, I'd appreciate it. Sorry I can't respond to all the comments, but there's so much ignorance that I can't really stand it anymore.
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Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 23:04
Hey look, it's Michelle Obama! Go read her thesis and see if her and her husband are nice people or a bunch of racists who want to see whitey burn. I'm done giving my opinion at this point. -------------
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 23:07
Thanks Bird, it was fun! Have a good one! ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 23:11
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well... to summarize the thread... one who has no concept of Marxism... one who has a real problem with Conservatives.... and David's original point.... this was a historic event... like him or not. And speaks to what was... and can be great about this country. It IS the land of opportunity... liberal.. marxist... even for hypocrical draft-dodgers who have no qualms sending others to die. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 23:14
then ignore it |
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 23:17
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I gotta say, Americans are so incredibly touchy when it comes to politics , they perhaps should witness a good Celtic/Rangers derby and see what "Before I get nasty" really means Or Mickey, how about a nice Milan /Inter contest at the San Siro?
In the universal scope of things , calling someone a conservative is a travesty. There are ample examples that the correct word is corrupt and deceiving. There are some liberals who are not liberal they are lying and greedy . What 's the dif ? For correctness sake, calling Obama marxist is not only ridiculous , it boomerang's YOUR ignorance. If you accuse someone of being red , then show the ketchup!  ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 23:36
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Well, it's a two party system all trying to get at a population who is mostly moderate. |
Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 00:03
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In my opinion it won't make MUCH of a difference who wins as they're running for President, not the entire government. Granted they can make some changes based on their administration picks, but really you need two things. Either your entire party to back your ass up or you need to appeal to everyone. The latter part being pretty impossible, and the first a bit easier. If you go look at Bush his original plans were that of a neo-isolationist. Which didn't work out. Then second time around he was the moral and security front runner. Which also hasn't worked out. The entire campaign of a presidential candidate is not much different from a pitiful high school SGA election.
I don't know how much I can trust anyone that deems themselves the best choice to LEAD an ENTIRE country. That being said...I have voted in every election I've been able to vote for (local, state, and national). Yet I've only had the chance to see one candidate that seemed genuine and has gotten things done. However, it was for a local election and has no national or world effect. I don't really understand how Obama is the most liberal Senator considering there are several other members of his party ahead of him that voted WITH the party. If the dems are the liberal party how is Obama not on the top of that list? Also he has voted significantly less than the other Senators ahead of him. And he is certainly NOT a marxist. So my voting choices this time around are still at the level nothing. If I vote I'm throwing my vote away as my vote should be used for the best candidate, the one I want to win right? But I don't want any of these people to win. However, our political system does not allow for a no contest/no faith vote. So if I don't vote I'm unpatriotic and whatever else, to the eyes of many. However, if I do vote it will be for someone I do not want which to me is a waste and far more unpatriotic than not voting because there isn't a good candidate. Can't we just have a redo? And also remove the awful awful media out of the election process except to tell us what the planned policies/views of the candidates are? Thats my several cents on the topic. |
Posted By: explodingjosh
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 01:18
^^"I can't win an argument, so somebody please stop this thread!!!" I am absolutely 100% supportive of Barack Obama. And its not because of the lofty rhetoric, its because his policies are a REAL attempt of addressing the issues America is experiencing. The only thing lacking substance here is "birdwithteeth"'s criticisms of Barack----- Marxism? Liberalism?? Jeremiah Wright?? Why don't you go ahead bring up how Michelle said she was "only recently proud of her country", and Baracks alleged associations with confirmed and unremorseful DOMESTIC TERRORIST Bill Ayers? OMG it's the end of America!!!!!!!! I've been listening to AM talk radio (WBAP 820) all summer. I've heard all this BS before. I've fact checked it and read several sides of the story. Bring on any argument against Barack you want. You have nothing against Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity when it comes to criticizing Barack, and THEY can't even come up with a substantial argument, in my opinion. Keep in mind the issues Americans are facing, and watch how Joe Biden (at the DNC Wednesday night) pragmatically addresses each one of them, and explains how Obama is going to push for them as president: http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-US&vid=c36d8ba9-64fd-418e-81e0-cf3d5ce4e2f8 ------------- 
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 01:30
Not me, I am such a political junkie, I need help  I blame it all on that political talk show on PBS I saw growing up, the McLaughlin Group, which I was sucked into thanks to its having McLaughlin in the name. There was no bloody Mahavishu anywhere in there, and yet I felt compelled to watch. Now I get my fix mostly from C-SPAN call ins.  |
Posted By: explodingjosh
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 01:38
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I think it really says something about America's apathy and congress' uselessness that George Bush is STILL in office. I'm just a 20 year old kid who likes to read the news daily, I don't know everything, but EVEN I know that "W" has done enough illegal things to get himself impeached. Karl Rove belongs in jail as well. I'm tired of seeing his fat face on FOX news.... As an "informal adviser" to the McCain campaign. .... lol .... he's 'The Architect'! .... what a slimeball. Gerome Corsi's book should be classified as 'fiction' as well...... I'm just kind of on a rampage here.... -------------
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 01:45
The only truly wasted vote is one not cast. You can always vote for an alternate party candidate, they'd love your support and then the losing party will blame you for their loss. And around here the black box voting systems many of us have just makes it all the more the fun. The best time to vote isn't really the big presidential elections anyway. Vote in those primary and run-off elections where hardly anyone shows up. You will have amazing voter power. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 02:00
yeah that must've been frustrating, kinda like when I was a kid and thought The 700 Club must be about James Bond... not only did I have my numbers backwards but it was a religious show |
Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 02:57
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Holy crap, I remember the 700 Club! Well..sorta...I just sort of remember it existing. Not having actually ever watched it. It was old people talking a bunch, right?
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 05:58
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Hey Brian.....I LOVE the McLaughlin Group man!!! And its still on so you could still watch it!! One of the best political snowball fights on the air....check it out again ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 06:11
got it, thanks man |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 06:32
This is particularly exciting for us older folks from the south, I remember the late 50s and early 60s well, very sad times, but always with a glimmer of hope. It is hard to believe Barack rose up through all the nonsense in this country as soon as he did. I've been following politics since I was a kid, Barack seems to be one of the more real and down-to-earth politicos to come along in a long time, he especially seems to be in touch with young folks. I can remember politicos like Nixon and Humphrey etc, all grumpy old out of shape men ... (ugly!). Don't expect Barack to be an all-out liberal president, I think he has a very frugal and conservative core to his peronality and outlook. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 06:39
that's a keen observation and could very well be true.. one thing is for sure, he's smart, which will almost be a shock after the last eight years ..also his judgment, though untried, appears to be quite sound. |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 06:48
Rebuilding the pyrimids ... One thing I want to add is that McCain is also one of the best Republican candidates we have had in a long time. He too seems very real and non-pompous for a politician. My parents are Republicans and I told them 8 years ago they were picking the wrong candidate, now they and the rest of my family (many of whom served in Iraq under the much hated Rumsfeld) know how true that was. I think this country would be in much better shape if we would have had McCain instead of Bush. Overall this is the best election I have seen in my lifetime, compare our current two candidates to Bush vs Kerry (cold shudder). |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 06:54
well he certainly would've been a better leader, I suspect we still would've ended up in Iraq (I believe he supported it from the start) but perhaps with less idiocy and callousness |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 07:00
I agree with the bolded part Easy. I don't disagree with the Right on every issue despite my having some fun with Bird, but Bush's tenure has been a disaster. I'm not sure McCain would have invaded Iraq despite his support. I think he has a bit more smarts than the Texas boy. ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 07:47
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 08:28
You can just avoid clicking here. But, yes, we are watching. Always watching. Always vengeful. |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 12:59
Actually, the next president will get the chance, most likely, to appoint a couple of Supreme Court Justices. That actually makes a big difference. If we get Obama, it may swing the Court mildly to the left. But if we get McCain, watch out, we could have a very far right Court. Scary thought. Keep that in mind when you cast your ballot or before you decide not to cast a ballot.
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Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 19:01
No offense Micky and I am not a McCain supporter but anyone who spent time in a Vietnamese POW camp I think certainly knows what real day struggles and fears are even better than most Americans.
Politicians by nature are commitment phobic. i have a hard time to believing what either one says because as we all know as they as they get into office they do whatever they want and that is not necessarily what we voted for. I know I am just shouting into the wind but I am actually really tired of electing Presidents on the basis of what legislation they are going to bring to the table. Isn't that the job of Senator and Representatives through party platforms?
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 19:19
That does it. I've had enough. You guys are incredibly rude to my friend here, who I happen to highly agree with. I extremely dislike Obama, I think he's a horrible, cheap, rotten, manipulative, racist person, and I'm entitled to my opinion without everyone else on PA making fun of me (or my friend). All you guys do is try to insult other people and make them look bad because you don't agree with their opinions, yet all you do in response is give YOUR opinions back. I've yet to see hardly anything objective in this thread at all. Even if I didn't agree with birdwithteeth, does that give you guys the right to be uncivil about it? All of you people disgust me. I'm heavily disappointed. Now, if someone wants to actually heathily debate here with my friend and me, I'd be glad to take you on. Just make sure you can actually back up your arguments instead of making fun of people for their opinions and then just stating your own. Isn't someone entitled to a belief without getting sh*t on? -------------
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 19:41
I think that says it all. Pot calling the kettle black. Well if you want to believe that the earth is flat or the sun revolves around the earth, go right ahead, but frankly that does make you worthy of ridicule. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 19:42
You want to argue it with me? Sure. I can back it up. I'd be glad to discuss it with you either here or through private message if you really want to know how I can back up my opinions. Feel free to PM me or quote my post and I'd be glad to elucidate anything for you. -------------
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Posted By: explodingjosh
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 19:45
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Who started the sh*tting here? Oh wait, it was that guy you agree with! -------------
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Posted By: explodingjosh
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 19:46
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LOL Exactly what can be said in a PM and can't be said in this thread??? -------------
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 19:46
Really? I don't see any insulting. I simply see an opinion. So just because he completely disagrees with you, he's starting sh*t? -------------
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 19:48
Feel free to PM me or quote my post and I'd be glad to elucidate anything for you. Those were my exact words. Is there anything you actually want to start to debate with me or are you going to continue to make an idiot out of yourself? -------------
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Posted By: explodingjosh
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 19:55
^^^From page 1. He dropped a load of self-righteousness and belittlement. -------------
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 19:58
Wait a second here. David presented all of that argument, Finnforest doesn't respond at all, and then David makes a true statement... so David is the one starting sh*t? Where is your head? Up your ass? -------------
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Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 20:00
Good job Alex. Thanks.IBTL btw -------------
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 20:02
I'm just siding with a person who is getting unjustly insulted. I think it's gotten completely ridiculous that people have stopped using logic and are going to turn to name-calling instead of actually calling out debates on me if they want to have an intellectual conversation. If you want to post your opinion, be my guest. But if you're going to imply that your opinion is better than someone else's, without any objective backup, then it's ridiculous. I've never implied that. -------------
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 20:09
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looking forward to his speech tonight....
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 20:10
Despite what I think of Obama, I do agree that he has an extraordinary way of speaking. He may not have a whole lot new to say (then again, try to name many politicians who do), but he has a way with words. Do you know what he's going to discuss specifically? -------------
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 20:12
not really sure.... I'm more interested in the history of it.. than any substance... we all know that campaigns... left or right.. are about style.. not substance. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 20:13
You can make you case here. Not entirely sure why you didn't in your reply.   ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 20:14
Unfortunately it has come to that point. I'm all about substance myself, and I want to actually find a candidate who is concerned about the same issues that I am. However, substance seems to be a word that's completely incompatible with the word "politician". -------------
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 20:20
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one or two getting over-excited here. Time for lockdown sorry. |