Sting for Prog Related
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Topic: Sting for Prog Related
Posted By: Diaby
Subject: Sting for Prog Related
Date Posted: August 03 2008 at 14:19
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I think, that his music is proggy enough to feature under the "prog related" label. Your opinion? ------------- yeah |
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 03 2008 at 14:21
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Blue Turtles maybe, most of the rest I'd say no.. Sting is a pop musician as creative as he is, and I'm not sure of his 'relation' to Prog |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: August 03 2008 at 15:18
Pardon me if too direct, but the argument's a bit mellow. What makes "prog related" a place for Sting besides "proggy" music, given that "prog related" is currently defined in a more complex way?  ------------- 
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Diaby wrote:Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: August 03 2008 at 15:20
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Oh please, Sting, as good as he is, is a Pop musicians with some Punk relatuion, not Prog or Prog Related at all.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 04 2008 at 05:09
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Punk? Sting? hahhahahhahhahah. It amazes me how people love to throw labels around here. Find me ONE Sting album that has a trace of punk in it and I'll eat my f**king hat hahahhahhahahah Now if we are talking the Police and PR that is a bit on the extreme... however... for Sting though. That is one that does merit some discussion.. serious discussion... within the appropriate genre teams. Since it seems some would rather throw tags around than actually show they listen to the music. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: August 04 2008 at 08:05
| I've heard a few of his solo albums and don't really hear anything prog-related in them. It's a no from me. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: August 04 2008 at 12:30
I'm taking about SOME connection with Punk via The Police.........I haven't said he made Punk music or anything similar, so before correcting me, better read the post,
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: August 04 2008 at 13:09
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Sting..? not even Prog-remotely-related
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: August 04 2008 at 13:13
| Sting is a damn good intelligent pop musician, just like Stevie Wonder, Prince and Paul Simon, but I don't think he is prog-rock. |
Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: August 04 2008 at 13:17
He was in the same band (The Police) as Stewart Copeland (ex Curved Air) and Andy Summers (ex Dantalions Chariot,Eric Burdon's New Animals and collaborations with Robert Fripp) so, prog related...maybe... ------------- 
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: August 04 2008 at 13:25
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I like Sting a lot, but there's nothing really "proggy" in any of his music, as far as I've heard. And I own almost all his records. The story of the formation of The Police have a lot of prog connections to it...interesting read for anyone that cares, check the wiki on "Strontium 90 (band)" for example. |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: August 04 2008 at 13:39
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I think where the prog-related thinking might come in is that "intelligent" pop tag mentioned above. Something that I can easily confuse is intelligent rock with progressive rock. And of course, my motto is that if it is in my collection it must be prog and I do have his discography, except for the most recent release. Also, Sting is similar to Peter Gabriel in his mixture of world music and jazz with his pop rock sound. When I listened to all of his albums a couple of months back, the thought did cross my mind that he might fit in to a category such as crossover or prog-related. P.S. I'm not saying that since Peter Gabriel (X) is here than Sting (Y) should be here. I'm just mentioning the similiarity in the use of world music. ------------- 
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: August 04 2008 at 13:46
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I can't figure out how Sting would be even remotely Prog Related.
@topic creator...maybe you can write Prog Lucky and have him add him like you claimed you did with GPS.a band which was rejected by every genre team that considered them and who were subsequently REMOVED from the database. -------------  |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 04 2008 at 13:50
He's Jazz-Related ... that's as far as I go. And I loved the 9/8 signature in I Hung My Head! ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to: 
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: August 04 2008 at 14:07
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FWIW, I do find it interesting that Micky, who is on the Crossover prog team which is probably the closest in relation to where Sting might fit in, if he were to fit in, says that consideration is worth serious discussion, where as the two prog metal guys both weigh in and immediately dismiss him, given that that category may be the furthest away in sound to Sting. That being said, I failed to mention in my previous post that although the thought of him being included on PA did cross my mind, I figured it was too much of a longshot to even mention. Although some of his music might definitely apply, like the most controversial cases, he is too well known as a non-prog artist to ever get serious consideration (and probably for that matter, deserve serious consideration). -------------
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Posted By: rushaholic
Date Posted: August 04 2008 at 14:13
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Sting is a great musician. Great music. Police was fantastic. NOT prog or related. We sure try to stretch things around here sometimes. |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: August 04 2008 at 14:21
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I was blind-sided by the Gabriel/Sting connection via their affinity for world music. Is it possible that Ol' Pete had an advantage in coming from Prog Gods Genesis ? Would Stink garner the same support if the Police had been a prog band ? I leave the thinking to you. ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: August 04 2008 at 15:09
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Shouldn't he get the same chance as any other band? Added to a chart, voted upon by genre-team members, and rejected or approved??
I guess only because he's famous and makes (mostly) pop music doesn't mean we can't follow the same procedures.... ------------- 
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: August 04 2008 at 15:20
But the suggestion was for prog-related - from what I understand, it doesn't work the same way as suggestions for the actual prog subs...micky explained this to me once, perhaps he can shed some light once again... |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: August 04 2008 at 15:22
What is this Sting you guys are talking about? 
<Goes back into cave for another 20 years>
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: August 04 2008 at 15:54
Er.. well... ..... ....  -------------
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 04 2008 at 16:35
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They don't use the progfreak team charts for one thing. I haven't heard any Sting solo compositions that would make me think he was suitable for Prog Related. What would be his most progressive and experimental material? I don't know his solo music well. When I think about whether an artist is prog-related, I like to think about which prog subs that artist/ band has the most in common with, and which bands/ artists in the archives it has the most in common with in terms of compositional approach (an obvious approach to take). In the case of Sting, we know he would have the most in common with those in Xover (at least becuase he has the pop element, but that's not the progressive part of the equation), but it's better to think of core progressive movements, say psych, krautrock, jazz-rock, Canterbury, symph, experimental/ avant etc (noting that there can be overlap). I'd appreciate it if links to his proggiest music were made available (may be ones on myspace and youtube). ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 04 2008 at 16:58
I believe that's pronounced Stin g.  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 04 2008 at 16:58
I know his music *very* well ... please don't think that just because I'm on the prog metal team that's the only genre I know something about.  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 04 2008 at 17:06
http://www.myspace.com/theofficialsting - http://www.myspace.com/theofficialsting Listen to Mad About You, that sums it up pretty well. On the later albums in the 90s he added more Jazz/World influences, and in the 2000s he re-approached mainstream again. http://www.last.fm/music/Sting - http://www.last.fm/music/Sting Some more really cool songs.  EDIT: Found a really cool video at last.fm: http://www.last.fm/music/Sting/+videos/5487209 - http://www.last.fm/music/Sting/+videos/5487209 Seven Days, a really cool track because it reminds of the Police a lot, but it's 5/8 time signature shows that he was eager to experiment and try out new things ... plus you can see in the video that it was a really cool bunch of musicians! ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: August 04 2008 at 17:32
Sorry Mike. It wasn't my intention to state that you or Jody only know metal, but I see how what I typed could be interpreted that way. Obviously, spending the time I do on your site I am well aware that you are familiar with a wide spectrum of genres. But I do observe that it is metal that seems to be nearest and dearest to your heart, or at least to your ears, and as a general rule, I think that Sting fans and metal fans are somewhat mutually exclusive, although as with anything there is going to be some overlap in fans. Me being an example, although not so much with the extreme metals, and as you have made clear you also are an exception to my generalization.-------------
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 04 2008 at 17:38
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Thanks Mike. Listening now. I guess primarily it would be his fusion of music styles/ influences. Even "Mad about You" (good song I vaguely remember) is not that Prog to my ear, though proggish in a way. Good to hear "Fortress Around You" -- haven't heard it in years; used to love that song. If he were considerably proggier, he'd be in an art rock category. I guess one could somewhat relate him to bands in the archives such as Supertramp. I think he has more to do with, I'll call it "progressive pop rock" than "progressive rock" so not that suitable. Re Rushfan4's post -- of course metal fans often like non-metal music, but he brings up something that I've wondered about. That when it comes to evaluation, whether one knows an artist or not, how much one's experience with evaluating music for a certian category (and subcategories) will affect one's perception as to what is related. I was thinking about this recently in regards to Laurie Anderson. Ivan remarked on the lack of complexity of her music, and seemed to intimate that that wa s reason for her not being included; whereas her minimalist approach is one reason why I associated her with prog (Ivan may be drawing on his experience with the symph team more; whereas, I'm thinking more of minimalist electronic, experimental, and krautrock compositions -- I wanted Glass in, though clearly short on rock). It helps if one is familar with and likes music from all of the progressive catefories in some cases, as certian biases can creep in that don't take ino account the wider progressive music picture. Since Sting is closest to the Crossover category (but not right for it), in a way it wouldn't be suprising if there was more sympathy for the addition to PR than in other quarters. It's a reason why i wish we had multi-tagging for PR bands/ artists, to better clearly see the realtion to the Prog categories, but as I said, I think one needs to think of core prog categories (I don't mean having Xover as a tag, but, well I got into that in my last post). ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: August 04 2008 at 19:08
Oops, what was I thinging ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: August 04 2008 at 19:08
In a nutshell,the admin team are the final say on proto and prog releated additions.They aren't considered by any genre specialist team. ------------- |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: August 04 2008 at 19:16
Hey, can we get the Eagles in ? Journey of the Sorcerer ended up as the theme song for the BBC's "the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy; Desperado & Hotel California were concept albums, with HC having two lengthy opuses bookending the album - Hotel California & The Last Resort, both over 6 minutes timewise. Even the 2nd disc of new album starts off with a 10:15 minute song - Long Road out of Eden. "starts chronometer to see how long before someone realizes the very thought of the Eagles' inclusion at PA is meant as a joke. though the music is not, and stands among the best out there." ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 04 2008 at 19:36
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I've always thought of you admin guys as the Proto-Prog and Prog Related specialist team (then you have your other specialist teams), but of course both categories don't cover any one genre or subgenre, so of course you guys have very good knowledge of music from all the categories here, as well as a stronger understanding of the history of progressive music than most collabs. I've also figured that you must do a lot more research than other teams, because it's often harder to let the music speak for itself, and must consider historical implications, and I know you people weigh up the opinions of posters. Anyway, I believe the admin were chosen to head up those teams, which work more behind closed-doors than others, because it can be very controversial (and an easier place for Max to coordinate) and they also weigh up the appearance of an addition, as well as the merits of an addition. Is it beneficial to the site? Will it bring in more people, or turn more people off? As what's let in, and what's not, can be controversial, it takes the most level-headed and thick-skinned of people.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 04 2008 at 20:30
hmmm, didn't work too well for Phil Collins.
 Although the background of an artist has some bearing on their inclusion into the PR category, it is the music produced that counts in the final analysis. ------------- What? |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 05 2008 at 03:05
now that was a chore hahha... picking one post ..out of a thread of interesting ones to reply to.... yours though raises something interesting..so I'll pick on yours.  first off... let me clarify my thoughts to those who are thinking Satan himself has descended upon the archives.... Sting does merit consideration... musically.. and as all of you know.. I don't give a rats-ass about tags and labels.. if all we care about are tags... we can fire all the collabs here since any ape can do the job genre team members can do. We LISTEN to the music.. and THEN evaluate it. Sting's solo output has little to nothing in common with the Police... and in fact.. as some members have noted... it similar enough to artists who ARE included here to merit discussion. When the Xover team makes a decision.. we listen first.. and not let prejudices or pre-concieved notions get in the way. Maybe some day we will look at Sting.. as for myself... and I suspect the other team members... we have other fish to fry. If we though he was a such glaring omission... he would have been brought up by now. Now Scott... you touched upon something I found rather interesting but taking a different and impersonal angle on it... see... for some here.... prog metal is oxymoron... yet agree or not that what is prog metal is really prog or not... we trust and accept ... and support those team members who work hard for their sub. On the other side of the spectrum... their exists a subgenre here in the same exact postion. Crossover prog.. .or for those who need a more precise exaplanation of it... prog pop. Yes... like prog metal.. we have people wandering around here who foam at the mouth saying the twain shall not meet.... ahhh... but they have.. they did back in the golden days with such groups as the Moodies.. who in fact the sub was created for since they were the odd man out and really could only be described in such terms accurately. However this isn't the place for the history lesson... the fact is.... whether you agree with prog metal or not... it is here.. and I for one have always supported that team and it's decisions.. even if sometimes I must admit I have no clue as to what it is... or what they are doing. On the other side of the prog spectrum we have Xover.. or prog pop... whatever you want to call it. Whether you agree with it or not.. it is here... and there is a team.. not just me.. or even just Dean and myself.. that take our jobs seriously and try to make additions with the site in mind. PM and Xover share a common problem.. or difficulty if you will.. lots of people running around with their own ideas of what that sub... or is not... some who think is doesn't even exist or make sense. Sting if... or when he is evaluated... will be evaluated on his musical output... not a f**king name that some of you know... some more than the music itself since he is 'famous'. I expect that whatever decision that team comes to... be respected. Trust me... we are listening to music.. not voting for favorites.. or conversely.. rejecting artists for their 'tags and labels' end of rant hahhha ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 05 2008 at 03:11
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world, electronica, pop, celtic, jazz no prog ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: August 05 2008 at 11:00
| Sting can't be prog because my wife likes him, and she hates all prog except "Follow You Follow Me". |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: August 05 2008 at 11:05
I see that you apply the same "prog test" that I do. And don't bother with the silly joke, "You ask chopper's wife if she likes it?", I've beat you all to it. |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: August 05 2008 at 11:23
| Well it may have seemed like a silly comment but you only have to look at my wife's CD collection to know that anything in it cannot be classed as prog. |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: August 05 2008 at 11:29
Or to put it another way, she hates all prog. |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: August 05 2008 at 11:30
Didn't mean your comment was silly, just didn't want people making an obvious joke. All of my wife's CDs are the same, miles away from prog. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 05 2008 at 11:48
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we don't use life-partner's record collections as a gauge of Prog-worthiness either.
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: August 05 2008 at 13:39
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Looks like we have finally found the definitive defintion for prog!
"Music Chopper's wife does not like"
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: August 05 2008 at 16:01
| I've yet to come up with a better one Bob. |
Posted By: T.Rox
Date Posted: August 05 2008 at 18:38
That is exactly how I judge what is worth having in my collection! If my "She Who Must Be Obeyed" cannot stand it, it must be good
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: August 05 2008 at 19:31
This basically leaves us, those who are single and lonely, prog-less, as we don't have someone to use as measuring tool...  (that sounded so bad...)  -------------
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: August 05 2008 at 20:36
I sense a pattern here...  |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: August 09 2008 at 22:41
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Now keep in mind that Sting is a great musician, but that doesn't mean he has to be a prog musician. He has one or two songs that are almost prog-related, but he's to poppy to be called even prog related. Same thing with Paul McCartney, Billy Joel, and Elton John. Great musicians with a few proggy songs but they're still pop musicians. Overall, I don't think Sting should be in the forum, but if he was I wouldn't be mad because of his few proggy songs. ------------- 
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 09 2008 at 22:46
and welcome again....  out of curiosity... what are those proggy songs in your estimation? ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: August 09 2008 at 22:58
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Well none of Sting's songs are actually prog, but even though they are pop songs, some are still relitively complex for pop music, but I do agree that Sting is still not prog. -------------
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 09 2008 at 23:02
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oh I think he has more than just one or two proggy songs, the first album and the live Bring on the Night were pretty progressive, a first-rate jazz band behind him and compositions that outdo many pop artists today (or then) ..and some of the material on subsequent albums has merit, plus Man Erg's post about Sting's relation to - or association with - Prog. I don't support addition but he was certainly one of the more progressing of the 80s chart toppers |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 09 2008 at 23:06
ahhhh.... read this... and give me your thoughts on this... is it valid.. or complete bullsh*t Crossover Prog contains progressive rock music that, though 100% progressive, may have a musical connection to popular music-- whether it be the lack of emphasis on extended compositions, or an influence from mainstream music in addition to classical, jazz and folk. Compositions, however, still exhibit a high degree of sophistication, sometimes outright complexity, and the musicianship and virtuosity is often on a par with established Prog acts. Much like their kin in the established prog sub-genres, these groups will incorporate many major parts of what defines prog rock: the fusing of rock with the structures and discipline of more traditional musics, the use of syntheisizers and new technologies, intelligent thematics, and the expansion of the form. The defining characteristics of Crossover Prog are a pop music influence that is largely vacant in typical prog rock. Songs tend toward shorter, more concise presentations though still reach beyond the typical verse, bridge, chorus pattern. The harmonic, melodic, and rhythmic structures may be more easily digested in Crossover while not losing the musical integrity that a prog listener expects. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: August 09 2008 at 23:16
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All this talk about Sting is making me think you guys need to check out a very similar artist, Stevie Wonder. He has the jazz and classical influences in many of his songs, plus concept albums and long multi-sectional songs, complex rhythms and often very intelligent lyrics.
I'm not proposing Wonder for PA though, just 'stimulating' the conversation. P.S. My wife likes Sting, Wonder and Steely Dan if you want to use the wife litmus test, but on the other hand she is really sick of me watching the Genesis with Bruford concert on VH1. What does that tell you. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 09 2008 at 23:18
as I said... merits discussion at some point. He is much more than just a famous pop-star 'name' who is into tantric sex and saving the Amazon the music deserves a bit of discussion and evaluation. No idea if I support him or not..never really considered him.... but he intrigues me. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 09 2008 at 23:26
stimulated? ... aroused! maybe someday people will evaluate more on music, since the whole purpose of the site is to find and promote PROG music.. not prog 'artists' to discover.. instead of merely Parroting out the same ofd labels and tags... until such time ... most of these artists.. even if deserving.. will never get in. If Sting was to raise a fuss... Stevie Wonder would be a full blown tizzy. I've talked enough about all that in the Davis thread. Baby steps.. that is the name of the game... and my plan I guess you could say. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: August 09 2008 at 23:59
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I think a lot of this has to do with the shifting definition of progressive rock over the years. I'm juat a bit older than you (ha ha), but when I was young, prog-rock bands were expected to have a British, or at least European (mostly Italian and German) flavor. Too much American flavor (blues, RnB, country etc) could be the kiss of death.
Judging from what I see on this site this is changing. When I was young we never would have called Capt Beefheart or Zappa prog-rock. Another thing that has shifted over the years is lyrical emotional content. When I was young 'real prog-rock' had a very introspective, "I'm a misfit and no one understands me because I'm on a quest for the meaning of life and the rest of you are plastic phonies" quality to it. To sum up all these things together, because of their lyric content bands like The Doors, Pink Floyd and Black Sabbath, who all used blues riffs, sounded more 'proggy' than bands like The Allman Brothers and Cream, with Hendrix falling somewhere in the middle and the blues based Deep Purple staking out their own territory because of Lord and Blackmore bringing in their classical and jazz influences into their 'mini-compostion' solos. P.S. This really ties in with that other thread. Master of Puppets, when it came out, was the first album I heard in a long time that captured that early prog introspective feeling, that along with their obvious Sabbath, Purple, Floyd, Genesis influences. I don't neccessarily support Metallica on PA, but I can see why some do. Whew ... is anybody still awake. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 10 2008 at 07:38
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I couldn't agree more John.... if you ask 10 people to define progressive rock.. you'll get 10 answers. That is the beauty.. and the fun of the little games we play here. The notion of what is.. and is not progressive rock is fluid and always changing. This site I believe is at the forefront of shaping that... One time, some months after this site created in effect.. a new branch of progressive rock.. Crossover prog, one of the admins pointed out to me that references to Crossover prog, prop-pop began sprouting out across the web. The same I've noticed with the Italian sub as a recognized seperate branch of progressive rock and not just a bunch of English clones. These notions are not set in stone.. and is something I take a lot of interest in... pushing the boundries of what is accepted to be progresssive rock or not. As many write-ups of the 70's musical scene.. and one like you.. who was there might attest.. .there was a distinct movement to categorizing.. sticking tags and labels on music... and less on simply listening. That is what my goal is I guess.. .to get people into the mindset that my position here at the archives has taught me to do.. listen with your ears.. and not judge with your mouth. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: August 10 2008 at 08:02
| Yeah, actually listen instead of being quick to judge based on labels that were applied in the past. Right on! |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: August 10 2008 at 09:20
OMG! My wife's mobile phone ringtone (at her request) is DT's "Overture 1928"... does it mean that DT aren't prog?
 Additionally, she loves The Moody Blues, Harmonium, Ange, Novalis and a long line of Italian and Brazilian prog bands and she's starting to get into Gabriel-era Genesis; but hey it took me decades to find a girl like her!
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: August 10 2008 at 18:13
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Good debate but first reaction is I would have to say no ( This has nothing to do with Sting's repeated playings in elevators, hotel foyers, telephone " Line is busy" filler either!) ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 10 2008 at 18:25
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I have a general personal rule when it comes to related, if it isn't seriously considerable for a Prog category, then it shouldn't be considered for PR (I tend to treat PR as a place for bands/ artists that after evaluation by the applicable teams, aren't considered quite prog enough for other categories, but that's not that the category is all about, since PR is treated as a non-prog category, whereas I think of quasi prog or arguably prog). After tracking down his purportedly most Proggy stuff, I think not.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 02:41
Which songs did you hear in such situations? I don't remember that ... maybe Englishman in New York, but that's about it.  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 16:07
How long have you got? Only the Eagles and Phil Collins come a close second ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 16:50
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I'd have no objections to Sting in prog-related, but shouldn't Andy Summers be ahead in line for Jazz-Rock/Fusion?
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 17:00
educate me my friend.. I know of his work with the Animals outside the Police... but not much else. Wasn't much a fan of the Police to be honest. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 17:10
Understood, Synchronicity got me into them. Aside from the Summers/Fripp albums, which might be considered crossover perhaps? I have the following: XYZ 1986Mysterious Barricades 1987 Golden Wire, The 1989 Charming Snakes 1990 World Gone Strange 1991 Last Dance of Mr. X, The 1997 Come to think depending on which album these could be more crossover. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 17:13
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hmmm.... thanks Brian... depositing him in the back of my mind. In fact... checking to see if I can dial up some of his albums on Napster. If so... I'll give them a listen see if they might fit....
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 17:20
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we have albums.. lots of them it seems... checking it out.. guess this became my 'project' for the evening hahaha.
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 17:30
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Speaking of Sting related additions, what happened to David Sancious and or Tone for JR? I know some of my recomendations are contraversial, but this one's a "no-brainer" (I hate that expression).
When I ran his recommendation in the CZ all the comments were positive. He's not a personal favorite but when I listened to this Tone record I have, I couldn't believe he wasn't already here. The record I have is classic 70s prog influenced fusion ala Holdsworth, Bruford, RTF, Ponty etc. And speak of the devil, I believe he works with Sting a lot. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 17:30
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For what it's worth I think every one of those I got at a used record store. They are all dirt cheap at half.com should you actually want to spend some money. And here's his web site for the curious. http://www.andysummers.com/ - http://www.andysummers.com/ ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 17:35
Martin and I have a pretty good relationship so I'll talk to him. If he approves.. I'll let you know. You give me the pertinent info.. and I'll add him. I have about 6 Italian artists of my own I need to do addtions from the ground floor up on that were postponed during vacation. However if you'll do the leg work.. I'll add him. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 17:37
listening now to his stuff available on Napster... and liking what I am hearing. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 17:51
Thanks Michael, just let me know if he gets on board and I will help. I'm pretty sure Dick Heath was keen on him due to comments he left in the Sancious thread. P.S. The Summers-Fripp albums are great, of course they are here as Fripp albums, but I would imagine Summers is worth checking out on his own. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 19:01
I think Summers merits serious discussion, I'll see what my fellow X-dressers think of him. If he was added. We would do like we did with Sylvian and Fripp... it would be a separate entry as Summers-Fripp. Probably should have been done that way anyway. I'll let you know if he is on board with us adding Sancious. PM'ing him and getting his thoughts and opinion on it. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 19:07
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Yeah! What's the hang up with Sancious anyway? Hmm, Sancious, Sting, and Summers? ssssssss
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 19:15
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Sssssumner. ------------- What? |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 19:17
been listening to his solo work Dean.. you know it? Haven't made it to the bar yet ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 19:24
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Shadowfax anyone? It's the Watercourse Way,,, ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 19:26
'she who must be
 ) - we attempted to play it once, but had to switch it off before it finished - I would use it as a drinks coaster but I don't like my drinks that insipid.... and that's about as far as my knowledge and curiosity extends.------------- What? |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 19:34
hahhahaha... I meant Andy Summers. but enjoyed your story there my friend. If I had ulterior motives... I sure as hell would have chosen another myself ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 19:46
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Oh.
I've only got (and heard) Bewitched with Mr Fripp ... a curate's egg of an album. ------------- What? |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 19:49
Brian mentioned him earlier in the thread... I've been listening to his solo albums.. haven't made it to the Fripp albums yet. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 19:56
Oh my God! You stung Mr. Sting! You b*****d! ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 19:59
stung Sting? how about crushed under a boot heel ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 20:01
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'sokay, the Karma Police got me back - I was stung by a bee at the weekend. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 20:04
I don't blame you, it was quite a drop-off from the debut.. didn't get back his stride till Ten Summoners Tales, which was OK |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 20:06
My take on Fripp/Summers, Masked is serious Asian/African/Gamelan Fripp mixed with world traditional classical and Bewitched is lighter instrumental prog meets exotica, a bit like Bo Hanson and Manzenera. I like that expression, curate's egg, but I don't remember what it means. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 20:07
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"good in parts" ------------- What? |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 20:09
ouch.... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 20:12
enjoying his solo albums still... I'll head to that album after I finish the one I am listening to. Think he can go to J-R. Loved his album of Monk's music. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 20:12
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That's OK sting Sting all you want, he's laughing all the way to the bank. The one thing I really hold against him is rotten way his band members were treated, as seen on the Bring On The Night video.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 20:14
^ Ha, that's nothing, read Vic's review ... http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=77373 - http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=77373 ------------- What? |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 20:15
yeah.. sort of like how I see Sir Paul. A class A prick... but I love his music.that VOICE . and a huge admirer of his bass playing. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 20:20
among all the things Raff and I did that we proudest of here... it was bringing Rico on board. We joke about being his step-parents.. but damned if we didn't feel pride at his musical sucesses as if he was. I love his reviews. this summation is classic... For fans means for those who can find warmth in frozen expression,and glimpse of spark in slumber distorion.For those who can really cope with un-greatness and can expand their horizon so far as to allow things like this to stay alive and to provoke motion. nice one Vic.. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 20:22
| he's a marvelous writer |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 20:23
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^ you aren't half bad yourself you know.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 20:29
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now if can just figure out why my new additions aren't showing up in the database, I'll be a happy man |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 20:32
| Bewitched has this one real long silly ie dreary 'disco' number, the rest isn't too bad. I like all that old synth-exotica stuff, probably a lot of prog-rockers don't |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 20:33
I have a back log of Italian addtions to do myself.. but have sort of been waiting for the site to sort of settle down and have M@X work the bugs out. They aren't going to be easy additons.. research ..translation and all so I figured I'd do them when I KNOW they took and I can see them hahaha. a good excuse t to continue a rampage of spam and mindless posting at the very least ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 20:35
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good plan, wish I'd thought of that |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 20:35
about to head off and burn some dinner.. and after that.. I'll take a listen to it. The reviews and comments have made me really curious. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 20:54
Oh, you've got to be talking about "What Kind of Man Reads Playboy?" I liked it. It is corny though. And I was reading Penthouse at the time, ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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