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Topic: Lost albums
Posted By: Agemo
Subject: Lost albums
Date Posted: July 22 2008 at 13:51
The other day I was looking for information about Pink Floyd recording sessions for their never released album 'Household objects'. Now I am wondering, do you know of any other abonded sessions or never released albums by other prog artists? What great (or terribly bad) albums have we missed over the years?
 
Here is a quote from the weblog that triggered this question ( http://www.sfbg.com/blogs/music/2007/10/spooked_sounds_2_more_lost_alb.html - http://www.sfbg.com/blogs/music/2007/10/spooked_sounds_2_more_lost_alb.html ):
Pink Floyd - The "Household Objects" recordings, London, c. 1973

Whatever the contemporary consensus of Pink Floyd by current garage-indie-minimal-electro-punk hipsters, very few of these snobbish prog haters know of Waters and Co.’s DIY recordings in the fall 1973, otherwise known as the "household objects" experiment. It seems the band was attempting the ultimate punk statement years before Johnny Rotten famously sported an "I HATE PINK FLOYD" T-shirt in the Sex Pistols. Conceived by Waters in the wake of forays into the post-Syd Barrett ambience of Atom Heart Mother, Obscured by Clouds, and Meddle, "Household Objects" had the band using random, detuned objects d’trouve like wineglasses, rubber bands, and pots and pans to create what would have been a most bizarre follow-up to Darkside of the Moon. However sessions ground to a halt within a few months after the monolithic “Shine on You Crazy Diamond” began to take shape and the maximalist jazz-rock opus Wish You Were Here soon followed.



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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: July 22 2008 at 14:00
Good topic AgemoThumbs%20Up
 
I guess one of the better known ones was the Jethro Tull recordings in France for the follow up to "Thick as a brick". These were abandoned at the time, but have subsequently become available on the "Nightcap" album.
 
It seems to me that had those recordings been seen through to fruition, and been released instead of "Passion play", Jethro Tull might have followed a completly different course.


Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: July 22 2008 at 14:04

Probably not a prog album, but a lost album from a sometimes prog-related band was recently released.  From Amazon.com:

 
"Sisyphus has attained legendary status among rock critics, Chicago fans, those who’ve heard parts of it and those who have only read about it." —from liner notes by Bill DeYoung

Formed in its namesake city in 1967, Chicago is the first American band ever to propel albums into Billboard®’s pop Top 40 for five consecutive decades, and is among the most successfully charting U.S.-grown acts of all time. Now, another page in the band’s history is revealed with the long-awaited release of Stone Of Sisyphus, the once shelved album that has attained legendary status among fans and critics alike. Recorded in 1993 and originally intended as Chicago XXII, the disc marked a return to the genre-transcending, adventurous fusion of sounds that defined the group’s 1970s-era heyday. Three tracks from it surfaced on Rhino’s 2003 Chicago box, but the album itself is previously unissued—now, this momentous release also features four incredibly rare bonus tracks.


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Posted By: Agemo
Date Posted: July 22 2008 at 14:26
Here's another one. In 1973 Focus were recording some tracks for a new album, but it wasn't very satisfactory. Some of the (unfinished) tracks would later appear on the album "Ship of memories" (1976). When you consider they released "Hamburger Concerto" in 1974 they did find some inspiration after all.

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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: July 22 2008 at 14:26
There`s a live Guru Guru album  which came out in the early 90s entitled Uncuts. I made a disc out of an old cassette recording. It features Connie Veit  ( Popol Vuh & Gila )on guitar who replaced the short lived Houschang Nejadepour ( ex_Eilifff ) and Hans Hartman on bass and of course Mani on drums. I`ve hunted and hunted for an original CD copy of this for years and suspect that it might be a bootleg. Whatever it is it`s pretty elusive.

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Posted By: Kestrel
Date Posted: July 22 2008 at 14:34
Apparently the bonus tracks on Pawn Hearts were originally going to be side 2 of Pawn Hearts, as well as Squid 1 / Squid 2 / Octopus, a bonus track on H to He. I might be wrong though.


Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: July 22 2008 at 14:54
Originally posted by Agemo Agemo wrote:

Here's another one. In 1973 Focus were recording some tracks for a new album, but it wasn't very satisfactory. Some of the (unfinished) tracks would later appear on the album "Ship of memories" (1976). When you consider they released "Hamburger Concerto" in 1974 they did find some inspiration after all.
I wouldn`t say it`s really a lost album it`s available on Red Bullet. But it`s certainly an interesting one  from the Dutch Masters. The CD  version contains that fast version of Hocus Pocus which originally appeared on the long since deleted Dutch Masters compilation with Bert Ruiter on bass. On the vinyl edition the title of the track Spoke the Lord Creator appears as Spoke To The Lord Creator on the jacket and Thus Spoke The Lord Creator on the label . Both wrong. Mike Vernon got it right when Ship Of Memories was finally released on CD !
As I pondered in my review I wrote back in 2004 why the hell do they have a sihouette of the German battleship Bismark on the cover rather than a gracefull tall ship or even a Flying Dutchman theme ????ConfusedRecord executives. Nonetheless an excellent retrospective of rejects. The first track on side 2 was reworked into Mother Focus. I prefer the former with the phantom drummer and electric sitar. If you haven`t checked this gem out and you like Hamburger Concerto, Focus 3 or Moving Waves you gotta give this a listen.


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Posted By: Agemo
Date Posted: July 22 2008 at 15:04
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

I wouldn`t say it`s really a lost album it`s available on Red Bullet.
That's true, but it wasn't intended as the album "Ship of memories". It merely contains tracks from this session, a rerecorded Hocus Pocus and for instance "Red sky at night", which was originally titled "Avondrood" and it appeared, with dutch lyrics, on a compilation album (with collaborations between dutch poets/writers and rock/pop bands). Altough there are some nice tracks on this album, I don't consider it essential however. And the cover ... you're absoluteley right (but this is all off topic of course).


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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: July 22 2008 at 15:31
Out of Vesubius  like to me a very good track

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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: July 22 2008 at 15:32

The group Aktris is full of archive series like vol .1 vol. 2 etc. all good



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Posted By: listen
Date Posted: July 22 2008 at 15:33
Originally posted by Kestrel Kestrel wrote:

Apparently the bonus tracks on Pawn Hearts were originally going to be side 2 of Pawn Hearts, as well as Squid 1 / Squid 2 / Octopus, a bonus track on H to He. I might be wrong though.



I heard that the other recordings (several other major projects) planned for the second side were lost. is this true?


Posted By: inrainbows
Date Posted: July 22 2008 at 16:34


I think this Dom album (Edge of Time) is a lost gem of the kraut genre, since it  is created   by a school band, and never got the place it deserves.



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Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: July 22 2008 at 17:00
Edge of Time is a great album.

Another from Pink Floyd, and far more satisfying musically than the Household Objects project, were the two song-suites "The Man" and "The Journey" both around 40 minutes long, and performed live several times in 1969.  The later versions included such songs as Cymbaline, but I prefer the more experimental earlier versions.


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Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: July 22 2008 at 17:47
I read about a collaboration between Jimi Hendrix and some other artist. Stated he just found the recording in his basement. It was on ultimate-guitar. Sounds fishy, but there were so many drugs back then.


Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: July 22 2008 at 17:48
Originally posted by Agemo Agemo wrote:

The other day I was looking for information about Pink Floyd recording sessions for their never released album 'Household objects'. Now I am wondering, do you know of any other abonded sessions or never released albums by other prog artists? What great (or terribly bad) albums have we missed over the years?
 
Here is a quote from the weblog that triggered this question ( http://www.sfbg.com/blogs/music/2007/10/spooked_sounds_2_more_lost_alb.html - http://www.sfbg.com/blogs/music/2007/10/spooked_sounds_2_more_lost_alb.html ):
Pink Floyd - The "Household Objects" recordings, London, c. 1973

Whatever the contemporary consensus of Pink Floyd by current garage-indie-minimal-electro-punk hipsters, very few of these snobbish prog haters know of Waters and Co.’s DIY recordings in the fall 1973, otherwise known as the "household objects" experiment. It seems the band was attempting the ultimate punk statement years before Johnny Rotten famously sported an "I HATE PINK FLOYD" T-shirt in the Sex Pistols. That wouldn't have stopped them, punk was as phony as Burt Reynolds hairpeice. Henry Cow, Can and co were all doing diy. Actually Johnny Rotton later admitted he liked Pink Floyd.Conceived by Waters in the wake of forays into the post-Syd Barrett ambience of Atom Heart Mother, Obscured by Clouds, and Meddle, "Household Objects" had the band using random, detuned objects d’trouve like wineglasses, rubber bands, and pots and pans to create what would have been a most bizarre follow-up to Darkside of the Moon. However sessions ground to a halt within a few months after the monolithic “Shine on You Crazy Diamond” began to take shape and the maximalist jazz-rock opus Wish You Were Here soon followed.



Posted By: akiko
Date Posted: July 22 2008 at 20:35
If Kerry Livgren had not frmed Prot Kaw, those early recordings of Kansas would've been perfect here.


Posted By: andYouandI45
Date Posted: July 23 2008 at 00:32
Steve Hackett and Rick Wakeman's album in 1982!
 
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HdYtihy5ljk - http://youtube.com/watch?v=HdYtihy5ljk
 
Video of it! I'm not sure how many have seen this.


Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: July 23 2008 at 00:38
I know Rush had a side long epic planned for Permanent Waves titled "Sir Gawain And The Green Knight" which was scrapped - but pieces of it made their way into Natural Science.


Posted By: martinprog77
Date Posted: July 23 2008 at 03:49
how about this one
 
XYZ was the proposed name for an abortive supergroup. The name XYZ is taken from eX-Yes-&-Zeppelin as the group consisted of ex-Led Zeppelin guitarist Jimmy Page, along with ex-Yes members Chris Squire (bass guitar, vocals, keyboards) and Alan White (drums). Page believed the band needed a strong vocalist and sought out former Led Zeppelin frontman Robert Plant — Plant did attend one XYZ rehearsal in 1981 but decided not to join the group, citing his dislike for complex progressive rock. Without a commitment from Robert Plant, the project was shelved shortly thereafter. Squire has also mentioned Page’s personal problems at the time were one of the motives for the dissolution of the band. Since the mid 1990s, a number of bootleg tracks have surfaced, originally recorded by XYZ at Chris Squire’s home studio at New Pipers, in Virginia Water, Surrey, during April 1981. They are believed to have been sourced from demo tapes stolen from Jimmy Page’s house at Cookham, Berkshire, in 1987. These consist of four pieces: two instrumentals (the riff from one of which was used on The Firm’s “Fortune Hunter”; the other was later incorporated into the 1997 Yes song “Mind Drive”), plus vocal numbers known as “Telephone Secrets” aka “Telephone Spies” (previously attempted by Yes as “Song No. 4 (Satellite)” during the sessions for Drama) and “And (Do) You Believe It” (or “Can You See”). The latter track was recorded by Yes in 2001 and released as “Can You Imagine” on Magnification. It is quite possible other songs were also attempted but nothing else has been released publicly. With XYZ’s future now in limbo, Squire and White recorded a single called “Run With the Fox”, in October 1981 at New Pipers, before forming Cinema, with guitarist Trevor Rabin and keyboardist Tony Kaye. Rabin attempted to rework the XYZ material along with his solo songs for the new group, but abandoned the project with the reformation of Yes with the addition of singer Jon Anderson, and the recording of the album 90125 in 1983. In 1984, Jimmy Page joined Yes on stage, playing “I’m Down” during a concert in their 9012Live tour at Westfalenhalle in Dortmund, Germany


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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: July 23 2008 at 13:38
Originally posted by listen listen wrote:

Originally posted by Kestrel Kestrel wrote:

Apparently the bonus tracks on Pawn Hearts were originally going to be side 2 of Pawn Hearts, as well as Squid 1 / Squid 2 / Octopus, a bonus track on H to He. I might be wrong though.



I heard that the other recordings (several other major projects) planned for the second side were lost. is this true?

I believe only the recordings for one song were lost (one of Jacksons I think), its mentioned in the liner notes on the 05 re-issue of Pawn Hearts.


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Posted By: Frippertron
Date Posted: July 23 2008 at 14:13
Of course everyone knows of Yes "Paris Sessions" (1979)  featured on many bonus tracks on the re-released albums.
 
 


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Posted By: Kestrel
Date Posted: July 24 2008 at 05:48
Originally posted by andYouandI45 andYouandI45 wrote:

Steve Hackett and Rick Wakeman's album in 1982!
 
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HdYtihy5ljk - http://youtube.com/watch?v=HdYtihy5ljk
 
Video of it! I'm not sure how many have seen this.

Whoa, what is that from?



Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: July 24 2008 at 22:15
Originally posted by Stool Man Stool Man wrote:

Edge of Time is a great album.
Another from Pink Floyd, and far more satisfying musically than the Household Objects project, were the two song-suites "The Man" and "The Journey" both around 40 minutes long, and performed live several times in 1969.  The later versions included such songs as Cymbaline, but I prefer the more experimental earlier versions.

Clap great example of a lost project....

Many of the best could-have-been albums, imo, are those of legendary/extraordinary live performances sitting in archives that record companies don't feel the desire to cash-in on Confused go figure. A huge number of high-quality soundboard and radio recordings exist, and many could have been considered "classic" live albums... Besides the Man & The Journey already mentioned, great recordings exist such as Yes performing live at Wembley in '78 and a multitude of BBC Archive material that would be of great value to fans of various bands who performed at the BBC studios, Pink Floyd being an obvious choice considering the only pre-wall live material made available is the live disc of Ummagumma (Ermm ) and some 66-67 recordings...


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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: July 25 2008 at 03:18

I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned the lost Alan Parson's Project album.  If I remember correctly it was chess themed and to be titled Sicillian Defense.   It was recorded but suppressed by the record label.  As far as I know, no copies have surfaced.




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