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Topic: Help needed (please)
Posted By: ummagumma08
Subject: Help needed (please)
Date Posted: April 08 2005 at 07:48

I have an old Bang & Olufsen tuner/amplifier, my question is about correct loudspeaker connection.

As you can see in the picture  (sorry abou the quality, took it with my cellphone) there are some oldfashioned output terminals (if that is what they are called), and as you can see there are two "holes" in both the output terminal for the right channel, and the left channel there is a big one and a small one, and I wonder which of the "holes" is the positive one (usually on newer amps the red one) and which is the negative one (usually black on newer amps)

 

I hope I made myself clear, and that there is someone out there with this specific kind of information.          




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Posted By: mirco
Date Posted: April 08 2005 at 07:59
Our sound guru, mr Oliverstoned, may have the answer...

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Please forgive me for my crappy english!


Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 08 2005 at 08:23

My own poor opinion is get a new amplifier and speakers to match that one. B & O is way over-rated, but you should have no problems fiding a sucker to buy this stuff. Put an add in a special HI-FI mag, there are always people that do collection of those old amps. 

With the money from the sale you should have enough to buy a real amp (not something that looks like a piece of art) .

Just an opinion, though.

BTW, I cannot see your picture.



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prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 08 2005 at 08:26
Originally posted by ummagumma08 ummagumma08 wrote:

I have an old Bang & Olufsen tuner/amplifier, my question is about correct loudspeaker connection.

As you can see in the picture  (sorry abou the quality, took it with my cellphone) there are some oldfashioned output terminals (if that is what they are called), and as you can see there are two "holes" in both the output terminal for the right channel, and the left channel there is a big one and a small one, and I wonder which of the "holes" is the positive one (usually on newer amps the red one) and which is the negative one (usually black on newer amps)

 

I hope I made myself clear, and that there is someone out there with this specific kind of information.          

 

Howdi

They are old din speaker outlets,you can get them still but your looking at cheap sh*t plastic ones.

There is a company in the UK who supply metal ones .I'll PM you the details



Posted By: ummagumma08
Date Posted: April 08 2005 at 08:33
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

My own poor opnion is get a new amplifier and speakers to match . B & O is way over-rated, but you should have no problems fiding a sucker to buy this stuff. Put an add in a special HI-FI mag, there are always people that do collection of those old ampps.  With the money from the sale you should have enough to buy a real amp (not something that looks like a piece of art) .

Just an opnion, though.

BTW, I cannot see your picture.

 

It's not the amplifier I use... (you are right B&O are very overrated, you buy with you eyes not your ears, I used one similar (beomaster 3000) in the past a bit bigger, but didn't sound very great) This one I got from someone who wanted to get rid of it, and i've just suceeded in selling it (not for very much though) and I am confused about the speaker connection, i just want to give the buyer the correct instruction.         



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 08 2005 at 08:40
Originally posted by ummagumma08 ummagumma08 wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

My own poor opnion is get a new amplifier and speakers to match . B & O is way over-rated, but you should have no problems fiding a sucker to buy this stuff. Put an add in a special HI-FI mag, there are always people that do collection of those old ampps.  With the money from the sale you should have enough to buy a real amp (not something that looks like a piece of art) .

Just an opnion, though.

BTW, I cannot see your picture.

 

It's not the amplifier I use... (you are right B&O are very overrated, you buy with you eyes not your ears, I used one similar (beomaster 3000) in the past a bit bigger, but didn't sound very great) This one I got from someone who wanted to get rid of it, and i've just suceeded in selling it (not for very much though) and I am confused about the speaker connection, i just want to give the buyer the correct instruction.         

 

As your in Denmark try out an amplifier company called Densen...Real gear.

 



Posted By: ummagumma08
Date Posted: April 08 2005 at 08:40

Originally posted by karnevil9 karnevil9 wrote:

Howdi

They are old din speaker outlets,you can get them still but your looking at cheap sh*t plastic ones.

There is a company in the UK who supply metal ones .I'll PM you the details

I don't want to invest any money I have the jacks needed for the outlets, im just confused about the +/- thing.     



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 08 2005 at 08:57
Originally posted by ummagumma08 ummagumma08 wrote:

Originally posted by karnevil9 karnevil9 wrote:

Howdi

They are old din speaker outlets,you can get them still but your looking at cheap sh*t plastic ones.

There is a company in the UK who supply metal ones .I'll PM you the details

I don't want to invest any money I have the jacks needed for the outlets, im just confused about the +/- thing.     

 

Loudspeaker (2-pin):

Round Pin - Positive (Positive + usually donated by a red sleeve on your cable)
Flat Pin - Negative (Neg - usually donated by a Blk sleeve on your cable)



Posted By: ummagumma08
Date Posted: April 08 2005 at 09:07

thanks...



Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 08 2005 at 13:04
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

My own poor opnion is get a new amplifier and speakers to match . B & O is way over-rated, but you should have no problems fiding a sucker to buy this stuff. Put an add in a special HI-FI mag, there are always people that do collection of those old ampps. With the money from the sale you should have enough to buy a real amp (not something that looks like a piece of art) .


Just an opnion, though.


BTW, I cannot see your picture.



I agree.
Sell it and buy the real thing!


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 09 2005 at 19:18
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

My own poor opnion is get a new amplifier and speakers to match . B & O is way over-rated, but you should have no problems fiding a sucker to buy this stuff. Put an add in a special HI-FI mag, there are always people that do collection of those old ampps. With the money from the sale you should have enough to buy a real amp (not something that looks like a piece of art) .


Just an opnion, though.


BTW, I cannot see your picture.



I agree.
Sell it and buy the real thing!

Yeh don't buy what Oliver wished he'd got.lol



Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 10 2005 at 01:30
I think amps like Jolida or Conrad jonhson are the real thing, compare to the poor device you construct in your garage...
Joker!


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 11 2005 at 20:36

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

I think amps like Jolida or Conrad jonhson are the real thing, compare to the poor device you construct in your garage...
Joker!

i DON'T CONSTRUCT ANYTHING IN MY GUARAGE PRAT..

That Rega was a pic i pasted off the WEB PRAT.

Keep dreaming about the Conrad gear PRAT.

 



Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 12 2005 at 02:27
Conrad Jonhson is not good for you?


Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 12 2005 at 03:04
Here's my amp:



I wish you to have something as good!

then, you'll know what real sound is!


Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 12 2005 at 03:25

Salut Olivier,

Actually , although amps like yours are the best kind, those bulbs have relatively short life span (on average two years) before deteriorating. Not only are those bulbs expensive to replace but good quality replacement are scarce. Most audiophiles do not consider those China-made bulbs any good . You might have to look to military equipment or Russian-made bulbs but furnishing channels are to me complicated. So I gave up on that idea of ever owning such an amp. 



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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword


Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 12 2005 at 04:24
Hi sean,
This is russian tubes!
No pb wuth lifetime, really this is a legend:

I have it from 2 years now, and listen it an average of 4 hours a day!! and loud!!!
There's not the smallest sound deterioration, but when it will happen (loss of accurancy in the highs), i will replace the power tubes (the four big ones on the pic)and voilà! it's like new!and you're quiet for several years of musical heaven!
They cost only 30€ per tube, so 120 € each 3/4 years of intensive use.

This amp is real great, it's quite as good as Conrad Jonhson, but 2 or 3 times less expensive!
Moreover, i will replace the connectic by WBT topline connects, and it's gonna be better!




Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 12 2005 at 04:30
Hey sean trane!
i'm zero the hero too!


Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 12 2005 at 05:49

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Hey sean trane!
i'm zero the hero too!

Salut mec,

Tu boumes bien?

T'es de où en France?

Gong, Gong, Gong, Gong, Gong, Gong, Gong, Gong, Gong, Gong, Gong, Gong: il est bientot midi



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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword


Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 12 2005 at 06:22
Je suis un pot head pixie de région parisienne

I AM
YOU ARE
WE ARE
CRAZY

Sais tu qu'un nouveau live de gong de 75 sort à la fin du mois avec des morceaux de You, shamal et Fish rising (evec la particiapation de Steve Hillage)?


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 12 2005 at 07:01

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Hey sean trane!
i'm zero the hero too!

 

NO YOUR NOT ZERO THE HERO AS THAT'S MY USER NAME.



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 12 2005 at 07:06

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Here's my amp:



I wish you to have something as good!

then, you'll know what real sound is!

Oliver you don't play music through a tube power amp fool.

Intergrated amp.That's a bit poor isnt it?

Use one of these instead.

KRELL 'KSA100'

ARC 'SP9' PRE



Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 12 2005 at 07:23

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Je suis un pot head pixie de région parisienne

I AM
YOU ARE
WE ARE
CRAZY

Sais tu qu'un nouveau live de gong de 75 sort à la fin du mois avec des morceaux de You, shamal et Fish rising (evec la particiapation de Steve Hillage)?

J'attend avec impatience. Merci M. Howlett.

J'ai rachetté la Trilogie et le Camembert en version mini-lp cartonné avec tous les textes . chéro mais superbe. Et j'en ai profité pour reécrire mes chroniques/reviews



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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword


Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 12 2005 at 07:34
Oui, ils ont remasterisé you et angel's egg

mais toujours pas flying teapot qui est pourri en CD


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 12 2005 at 08:36

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Oui, ils ont remasterisé you et angel's egg

mais toujours pas flying teapot qui est pourri en CD

 

Flying Teapot is remastered on CD.



Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 12 2005 at 10:32
you mean japanese version?


Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 12 2005 at 10:37

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

you mean japanese version?

I think that both Flying Teapot and Camembert: They both sound so much better than the old Charly version I had. This is on the Victor sub-label.



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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword


Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 12 2005 at 10:39
The charly version was very bad


Could you put me a link towards a page with these cds?

I don't see which version it is.


Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 12 2005 at 10:47
Originally posted by Karnevil9 Karnevil9 wrote:

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Here's my amp: I wish you to have something as good! then, you'll know what real sound is!


Oliver you don't play music through a tube power amp fool.


Intergrated amp.That's a bit poor isnt it?



Use one of these instead.


KRELL 'KSA100'



ARC 'SP9' PRE




Know that my Jolida works already very well (close to a Conrad J.)but when i'll bypass the source selector and then i'll replace the connectic by WBT topline (they just improve their RCA connect), it will work very much better, which means incredible!

Your preamp is less good than the Counterpoint SA5000.

Little player you are!

Here's the REAL DEAL:




Good french product:


Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 12 2005 at 10:48


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 12 2005 at 20:09
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Originally posted by Karnevil9 Karnevil9 wrote:

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Here's my amp: I wish you to have something as good! then, you'll know what real sound is!


Oliver you don't play music through a tube power amp fool.


Intergrated amp.That's a bit poor isnt it?



Use one of these instead.


KRELL 'KSA100'



ARC 'SP9' PRE




Know that my Jolida works already very well (close to a Conrad J.)but when i'll bypass the source selector and then i'll replace the connectic by WBT topline (they just improve their RCA connect), it will work very much better, which means incredible!

Your preamp is less good than the Counterpoint SA5000.

Little player you are!

Here's the REAL DEAL:




Good french product:

 

Youve never heard a counterpoint 5000 youve never heard a Audio Reaserch 'SP9' so grow up.



Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 13 2005 at 02:31
I listen to a counterpoint sa5000 EVERY DAY with my best friend. he's even put on a relaxa plate, with a transparent power cable and esoteric audio cables.

Do you want me to send you a pic?

here's his system:

Speakears: JM Reynaud Cantabile
Low amp:Bryston 4B
Tube: Jolida 302 (the same as me)
Preamp: Counterpoint SA5000
Subwoofer Kef (38cm of course)

Sources:
CD Teac vrds 20 modified
Vynil Linn LP12 with Dynavector moving coil
Tape deck Naka 700 zxl, upgraded by M.nakamichi in person (tape deck intended to a french mag test bend )
Tuner Goldmund Mimesis 4

Cables Transparent in power
and Esoteric in interconnect (the same as me)
Power filters (double for the source), 5 separate electric lines, WBT topline bananas, top multiplug...

Vibration isolation: Fadel amethyst, golden sound cones, steel triangles, sicomin plates, relaxa plates.

as you see, we rae not little players



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