Is Pink Floyd overrated?
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Topic: Is Pink Floyd overrated?
Posted By: Treasure
Subject: Is Pink Floyd overrated?
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 14:16
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I think most of their early psychedlic stuff was pure garbage and they've really made nothing of interest since The Wall.
Are they overrated?
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 14:18
| So they made 3 disappointing albums in your opinion, they have a much bigger discography than just that you know. They are one of the pioneers of progressive rock and their classic era deserves all the praise it gets. Even their early psychadellia years deserve a lot of praise for pushing the boundaries of the time. Overrated? I really don't think so. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 14:20
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The Wall as an album is always name-dropped, but it's not that good. Everything else deserves the recognition or needs more recognition.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 14:27
The strange thing about this post is your Opeth Avatar.  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to: 
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Treasure wrote:Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 14:30
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I think most of their early psychedlic stuff was pure genius but they've really made nothing of interest since The Final Cut.
Are they overrated?
No.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 14:31
totally agree. Echoes, One of these Days, Atom Heart Mother, Careful with that Axe Eugene, Saucerful of Secrets, Astronomy Domine, Set The Controls.., Dogs, Pigs(three different ones), Sheep... rings you any bell? All those songs above are masterpieces or at least excellent. Their psych era, though I don't like the debut that much, it influenced a LOT of bands on those times. Dude, are they underrated? Yep.
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Posted By: warwick
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 14:33
| Whaaat?? Pink Floyd is probably the greatest thing that happened to music since the time of Beethoven. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 14:33
How many classic prog bands have done something of interest since 1979? They had a 4 album run of 5-star or near 5 star albums. I think thats plenty to merit the praise they receive. Not overrated. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 14:41
exactly. Yes made their final prog "epic" with Drama, in 1980 but after that they went with pop. Genesis the same, Duke was their last thing that had at least something from their gold era, but after that they went to pop prog. ELP? They already started decaying with Works in the mid 70's. Camel? they went on pop prog. From the 70's bands you couldn't expect great 80's stuff. With few exceptions like Zappa and King Crimson. |
Posted By: febus
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 14:46
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One day. we are going to ask the PA admin. to BAN the word ''overrated''. It is used and overused and worst, carries no meaning.
Every thread mentioning this word.....deleted!!!! disapeared!!! and PA planet will be a better world after that!.
You like PINK FLOYD or not.......... doesn't matter!! they are the vitrin of prog. Millions of progheads learnt about this kind of music because of SOSecrets, Meddle, AHM, DSOFTM and so on.
Of course, the prog ''elite'' will tell you PF is not that complicated , no time changes and other stupidities and worst, a few ''elitists'' history revisionists are even denying the word prog to the music of PF. ..
As if ATOM HEART MOTHER was reggae/ska maybe!!!!!!
NO, NO, NO!!! they're not overrated and everyone should say THANK YOU to Roger, David, Rick and Nick and Syd for everything they did, the pleasures they gave us and all the doors they open for other prog bands.
So tired of this overrated PINK FLOYD bashing!
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 14:56
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 14:57
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Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 15:03
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This topic = some close minded metal guy that dont like classic prog / PF. How very orginal. DSOTM was the album that opened my eyes to this type of music called prog and i will be for ever greatfull. PF is one of the best bands on this site nuff said. ------------- 
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Posted By: mellors
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 15:20
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I dont think so. What they lacked in virtuosity & complexity they made up for with top notch songwriting and one of the most unique and influential sounds in rock. The psychadelic era sounds great to my ears, and has dated a lot less than most music from the 60s, the 70s period works are classics and the Wall onwards, while being less creative have strong material. |
Posted By: khammer99
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 15:29
I don't find most of their music particularly interesting to me, but clearly, their influence on popular music for the last third of the 20th century can not be called overrated. Any accolades they recieve are deserved, they're just not going to get any of my money.  And I too hate the word "overrated". You like them, or you don't. ------------- Genius is always allowed some leeway, once the hammer has been pried from its hands and the blood has been cleaned up. - Terry Pratchett |
Posted By: Relayer09
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 15:36
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Any band that has been as successful and influential as Pink Floyd cannot be labled overrated. Wether you like them or not is more of a personal preference. ------------- If you lose your temper, you've lost the arguement. -Proverb |
Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 16:01
There are a couple points I'd like to address on this post of yours febus. First of all, you can't honestly think that we should ban the use of the word overrated. I, for one, have called several bands on this website 'overrated', including, to be honest and since it relates to the thread, Pink Floyd. Part of this forum and website is so people can express themselves openly. Why do you think PA lets its members write their own reviews? Secondly, as much as I dislike Pink Floyd these days, I won't deny that they are an important contributor for progressive rock (and even mainstream rock) as well as many other bands that followed. Part of the reason I dislike PF may be that I listened to them so much as a young teenager for a period of about two years that I burned myself out on them, as well as the fact that I've discovered many other bands who I feel are better. One of my favorite bands of all time, Dream Theater, might not be the same band it is without its PF influence. Thirdly, the fact that PF is considered one of the 4 biggest/original prog bands, along with KC, Yes, and Genesis, and yet they make, IMO, more simplistic music than the other 3 says something. After all, aren't complex rhythms, rapid time signature changes, and so forth elements that distinguish progressive rock from other genres of rock? While I may disagree with you febus, I still respect your opinion. I would prefer to listen to PF over the garbage on the radio these days, but I think that in all honesty you might be the one who isn't being open enough to other people's opinions. If you wish to have a debate on this topic, I'm more than willing to engage you, but hopefully you can at least understand why I dislike PF. ------------- 
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Posted By: cohen34
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 16:03
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No way! Dark Side and Piper alone far outweigh any flews in their catalogue (AHM in particular). These guys introduced me, and many others Im sure, to the genre we love today.
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Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 16:07
I think that if it was a single disc it would have been far better. Overrated? No. They are RnR Hall of Fame worthy of all that they have given to music. |
Posted By: puma
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 16:09
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"Pink Floyd is overrated because they don't use Mellotron" -every PA user |
Posted By: Hawkwise
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 16:12
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I Have seen some dumb Threads on the internet , but this takes the Biscuit , Treasure go buy your self Pink Floyd at Pompeii then tell me there Overrated , geeshhh ------------- 
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 16:15
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They were pretty awful until Atom Heart Mother, but everything from then to Animals is really superb, including the much underrated Obscured By Clouds. Since then, I've lost interest, especially in the overrated The Wall. Bearing in mind that's several more good albums than Yes produced (The Yes Album, Close to the Edge and Relayer) and about as many as Genesis (Trespass to Trick of the Tail), I think the answer is clear - NO! ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 17:18
I'm curious, what exactly is the issue many people seem to have with AHM? is it the "anti-Tarkus", so to speak, in that everyone hates the first side "Suite"? I don't really understand, because side two has 3 quality tracks followed by the fairly interesting (and experimental) Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast. Maybe the issue is that people don't give the album enough time.. and simply overlook it. Or maybe the suite is compared all too often to "Echoes" from Meddle, and considered to be inferior? Anyways, to answer the question, NO, Pink Floyd itself is not overrated. If anything, several of their albums seem to have too much praise while others are criminally overlooked. Basically, it's not a band issue but an album issue. ------------- 
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Posted By: JesusisLord
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 17:31
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I was raised on Floyd, overrated? of course not, but to be honest, outside od DSOTM, WYWH and Animals they don't get to much airtime these days. Maybe if I started to drop LSD again? mmmmm........ ------------- And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. Phillipians 2:11 |
Posted By: peskypesky
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 17:38
| I think Pink Floyd was great, but I do think they are over-rated. I know that's not the majority opinion here, but so be it. I just don't find a lot of their music all that interesting compositionally. |
Posted By: proggy
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 17:40
You are overrated
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Posted By: eon_
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 17:46
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Great band but a little overrated IMO.
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Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 19:02
but they do use it on "Saucer.." and AHM. |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 19:10
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F*** NO
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 19:16
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^^^ Best statement yet
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Posted By: rushaholic
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 19:42
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I am tired of seeing overrated used on this site.
You either like a band or you don't.
For me, Pink Floyd is absolutely incredible.
Short answer - NO.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 19:43
It's actually not that difficult to do (he says with his finger itching to press the [Admin] button and really do it), all I have to do is enter 'overrated' (and the plethora of misspellings you guys are so prone to) into the bad-word censor and viola! every time someone types 'overrated' it is replaced with a word or phrase of my choice... such as 'spiffying' or 'pomegranate'.
 So there you are: Is Pink Floyd pomegranate? - doesn't that sound far more interesting as a topic already.
::scans back through last 2 pages::
...or not.
 So, anyway, if someone can forward me the names of the 14 people who voted 'yes'...
 ... wait-up... don't bother, there's more options under this [Admin] button I haven't explored yet... ...brb  ------------- What? |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 19:45
Hey proggy you took my words |
Posted By: progaeopteryx
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 19:52
| It's possible I'm in the minority about this, but I think Ummagumma is stunningly amazing. |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 19:55
not sure, but I think you got the wrong thread. The thread you're looking is the one of Ummagumma.. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 20:27
hahhaha... oh.... you and I are going to get along... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 20:29
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Posted By: Yorkie X
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 21:37
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I really like Floyd .. I like them very much however I see your point perhaps they may be slightly overrated but not by us prog fans the problem exists mostly with the people who tend to like them only because they are popular, I have met plenty of these type of floyd "fans" Just my view I hope it doesn't offend.  |
Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 21:51
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I have a few problems with some things mentioned here....
No, they are not overrated, I find them to actually be underrated. 'Piper at the Gates of Dawn'. I wish I could of seen peoples faces when this innovative album was released. Nothing like it for its time and never really copied as far as I can tell. Somebody mentioned before how they are regarded with Genesis, Yes and KC as the top 4 of prog...but really aren't that prog because they weren't complex and didn't change time signatures. I've seen similar posts on ultimate-guitar concerning Dream Theater. One person mentions they need to keep doing out of control solo's otherwise it wouldn't be prog. Were does these idiots get that from. Pink Floyd's talent comes from their ears mostly. They experimented with so many different sounds and methods to conjure up songs which is indeed progressive. Thier realllly big psychedlic era had some great material, the best being found on some tracks on the album Meddle in my opinion. Then there is Dark Side of the Moon. I feel it is a tad overrated, but just in todays age. There are people that wear the t-shirt but never heard the album. Yes. It exists, and quite frequently. Wish you Were Here was a quick turn on the popularity. Creating an epic suite 'Shine...' and another track yet to be copied...'Welcome to the Machine'. That song is pure original. 'Animals' was a lyrical onslaught of society, another great piece and a new face for the band. 'The Wall' is one of the biggest rock opera's for its time and the first real good one. Would Aryeon have ever existed if it wasn't for this? That was the end for me with this band...but then there is 'The Division Bell'...it was a nice album for such an old band. Hardly...Hardly overrated. |
Posted By: Dynamo
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 21:54
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Listen to Dark Side Of The Moon and please remove your shoe from your ear, it makes easer to undestand....Overrated? Never...........On the other hand Opeth is overrated.... ------------- "Don´t Stop Dancing!" |
Posted By: Relayer09
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 22:11
The Ummagumma / Live At Pompeii era of Pink Floyd is my favorite. Echoes and Obscured by clouds are both amazing albums. Atom Heart Mother has it's moments but isn't one of my favorites. If you can track down a copy of Archives: Echoes Live 70-71 the version of Embryo on that album is worth having alone. ------------- If you lose your temper, you've lost the arguement. -Proverb |
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 22:21
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Over rated only by Wright-Mason- Gilmour. Waters probably thinks that only his stuff is up to snuff . He may have a point but modesty is not one of his fortes ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 22:26
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This should be a thread about how Roger Waters solo stuff is UNDERRATED
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Posted By: Statutory-Mike
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 22:29
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I don't particularly take a liking to the wall, dark side blows it away.
Not overrated the slightest either. ------------- 
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Posted By: Statutory-Mike
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 22:30
I disagree, if you listen to Gilmours solo stuff, it sounds a lot more like floyd than Waters'. Gilmour = Underrated, Waters = a tad overrated IMO -------------
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Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 22:31
 I may have to insert my foot into your rear end -------------
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Posted By: Relayer09
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 22:32
Roger Waters has weird teeth. They scare me.  ------------- If you lose your temper, you've lost the arguement. -Proverb |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 22:34
Gilmour's stuff is a bit boring- Waters is a better lyricist and writes better songs Perhaps a vote is in order.------------- |
Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 22:39
*Cough, cough* Maybe you should go back and read what I originally posted. I believed I used this thing called "a well constructed and reasoned argument" that you speak of If you disagree with anything that I have to say, please let me know and I will be more than happy to debate you or anyone else on this thread that disagrees with me.-------------
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Posted By: Relayer09
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 22:39
Yes! a vote. Great idea! ------------- If you lose your temper, you've lost the arguement. -Proverb |
Posted By: Statutory-Mike
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 22:45
Well my opinion might be an influence of my dad...huge Pink Floyd fan, but he can't stand Roger Waters ego. He loves both of their solo stuff but finds Gilmours better, therefore I hear more of Gilmour then Waters, when he decides to put that on at least (he's going through a bit of a Porcupine Tree phase at the moment
 ). But still, it's not as if I haven't heard enough of Waters stuff, I just find Gilmours better overall, especially the guitar. -------------
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Posted By: PROGMONSTER2008
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 23:26
I don't really care for half of Dark side and Wish you were here and they are supposed to be their 2 best albums according to many people. I really like Animals, while Meddle, Obscured, The wall and Atom heart mother are fairly good. Pretty good band, but not half as great as proggers say  . They lack the clever/complex melodies of most 70s prog bands
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Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 01:06
If you are referring to the 1970-71 BBC Archives set, then I can confirm that the performances are excellent (including both of the "Embryo"s)! Really great live material, but it disappoints me that the Floyd hasn't done any work in regards to pre-1980 (The Wall Tour) live releases. You'd think with the ever-expanding fan base of millions that the band/record companies would be churning out remastered archival material! -------------
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 01:42
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By whom, exactly, and where can we find this rating you write of?
I believe that a lot of people here (and elsewhere) actually enjoy their music, but still, most people on the planet -- by far -- don't own ANY of their albums...
Is red clothing overrated? Many people wear a lot of it, but I tend to avoid it.
What's that? That's just a matter of personal taste, you say?
 Hmmmm....
Or, to put it another way, do you think being pre-pubescent is overrated? And how about posting more than just once in your own thread, and responding to the nice people who have taken your bait, and dignified your mean-spirited, ill-mannered, arrogant and asinine question with sincere answers? Is that "overrated" too? ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: kenmartree
Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 02:22
^ 
Red is so pomegranate
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 02:26
Ten points to Gryffindor!!! ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Prof.
Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 02:56
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Well, I had to vote 'no' because I dont feel they are overrated, but in the same sense I also dont feel they are underrated.
There is no question they are prog pioneers, they have amazing music, and you cant deny the general publics reviews for the ratings on their albums.
But at the same time there are all the people who will cut your throat for speaking ill of Pink Floyd in any way. I do feel they have some freakin great music, but maybe not to such a strong degree. I know people will just pass my post by because I havent heard there 'best' stuff, but I have still heard a decent chunk of good stuff; The Wall, DSotM, Ummagumma, AHM, Obscured, and of course WYWH. I know I havent heard Saucer, Animals, Meddle, or Piper, but I think I can make a pretty decent opinion on what I have heard.
I enjoy their music, I think its swell, but I dont think its so mindblowing orgasmic that they should be called Underrated.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 03:02
Post of the century
!You don't like PF? Fine. I don't like many other bands, but I don't go around starting threads about them being 'overrated'. As Peter said, I'd like to see this 'rating' you speak of. Last time I looked, musical tastes (like every other taste anyway) were a matter of personal preference.
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 04:06
Please, direct me to this "mind-blowing' and "orgasmic" music you allude to!
 As far as I know, over-indulgence in LSD is "mind-blowing" (as are mental illnesses and brain aneurysms), and only having sex to the point of climax is truly "orgasmic."  My point (again): it's all just music, and all a matter of personal, subjective taste. No mere music is the aural equivalent of hallucinogens, or sexual release. "Overrated" is a judgmental, confrontational and ultimately non-valid concept. It is less a statement of one's own tastes, than it is a disparaging, disrespectful judgment of others' tastes -- and thus very arrogant!
Threads such as this are tailor-made to offend and inflame.
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 04:07
(^ That method of fishing is called trolling.) ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 04:54
No
If anything, they are underrated - especially by this posting;
Their "early psychedelic stuff" was revolutionary - the songs still stand as progressive-thinking compositions, with progressive arrangements and production techniques, and the longer pieces are outstanding composed improvisations that have and continue to inspire generations of musicians.
Pink Floyd inspired a whole scene in Germany - listen to almost any early Krautrock album and hear the influences.
Their early material was astonishing - to write it off as garbage shows a lack of understanding of the growth of popular music as well as a complete lack of appreciation for the music that Floyd produced - a shallow appraisal indeed.
Since the Wall, however, I agree - they've produced nothing of interest - but what a way to go out, and what a legacy they left. ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 06:39
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It seems that you have aimed an arrow at a sacred cow. They've earned their place in prog history by producing lots of interesting and influential stuff, especially in the period 1968-1977. I don't think they're overrated... |
Posted By: seamus
Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 07:43
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Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 12:24
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Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 12:27
Hallelujah praise Prog!!! ------------- http://darksideofcollages.blogspot.com/ http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/ https://www.facebook.com/pages/Darksideof-Collages/ |
Posted By: Okocha
Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 12:55
1) IMO The Wall is the one of the worst albums by PF !!!
2) The Dark Side of the Moon
3) Atom Heart Mother
4) Wish You Were Here
4) UmmaGumma(Live)
etc...
2,3,4.... :This is why PF are great !!!
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Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 12:56
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Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 13:10
| Sorry for the many posts but I really liked your answers !!! |
Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 14:30
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Pink Floyd are NOT overrated. Other prog bands are underrated, but this does not make Pink Floyd less brilliant. |
Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 14:32
Well It guess I get your point I would say the wall is a Roger Water's Second solo album. it isn't a Pink Floyd album really ------------- http://darksideofcollages.blogspot.com/ http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/ https://www.facebook.com/pages/Darksideof-Collages/ |
Posted By: SilverEclipse
Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 15:43
I do not see how you cannot look at.... Atom Heart Mother Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast One Of These Days Echoes The Dark Side Of The Moon (originally conceived as a SINGLE 40 minute piece) Shine On You Crazy Diamond Welcome To The Machine Dogs Pigs Sheep The Wall ...and call the band anything but prog. What exactly where they then? Space rock? Okay, on their first album with Syd, but is that album anything like their classic period? No. Psychedelic rock? No, they sound nothing like the late 60s rock scene. Pop? In the disco era? Not exactly... Well... their songs seem to be pretty long, go through a lot of theme changes, display excellent musicianship, often convey concepts.... hmmm..... what is that genre again? Oh I know! PROG! ------------- "and if the band your in starts playing different tunes, I'll see you on the dark side of the moon" |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 15:48
what?
this one?....
Sorry, but no. You explained that you "dislike them", that you "burned myself out on them" and you found other bands you think are "better" but not why you believe they are overrated.
Your 'dislike' of any band is not a measure of how overrated they are. Just because lots of people like them and you don't does not make them overrated. Overrated does not mean they make music you once liked but no longer do. This is not simply an argument over semantics - overrated is not the opposite of 'rated', 'this band is overrated' does not mean 'I don't rate this band' (which is what you have implied).
Overrate : to rate, value, or estimate too highly
What it does mean when you use the word 'overrated' is that you believe they have received undeserved praise, adulation or reward - success higher than they are entitled too, but you haven't explained why you think that is the case. To the contrary you have stated how historically significant they are, not only to the initial development of Prog Rock but to the formative years of bands you do like. I think it is fair to say that Dream Theater, Porcupine Tree, Opeth and a myriad of other bands you 'rate' would not be here if it were not for the influence of Pink Floyd (direct or otherwise). By your own admission, your formative years were guided by Pink Floyd - there appears to be a clear progression in your Prog-appreciation/development that started with Pink Floyd and moved through Pink Floyd influenced bands...
...without Pink Floyd you wouldn't be posting here. (
have I just shot myself in the foot?)Saying their music is 'simplistic' is nothing to do with how 'overrated' they are (or are not
)... they have never been 'rated' or described as a band that makes complex music, yet from their entire back-catalogue there are numerous tracks that exhibit those elements you say distinguish Prog from other genres of rock - (Pink Floyd wouldn't be Pink Floyd without them) - complexity is not the be-all and end-all of Prog ... it's how you use those building-blocks that matters, Pink Floyd managed to make complex music that sounds simplistic, shame on them.and going back to my original post:
...Your avatar - Mikael Åkerfeldt ... Opeth - great band - my absolute favourite Prog/Death Metal band - I have 'rated' them from the time when I first heard My Arms Your Hearse and now own every album they've released, I for one was not disappointed with Watershed ... Katatonia - loved his death growls on Brave Murder Day ... Ishahn - his vocals on 'Unhealer' are a highlight of Ishahn's new album AngL ...Ayreon - many don't like Fear's brief growl on THE - I love it ...
...Your Sig - Steven Wilson ... Porcupine Tree - my favourite of all the modern Prog bands, from On the Sunday of Life to Nil Recurring I love them all ... No-man - my first introduction to Mr. Wilson's talents and a firm favourite in my collection ... Bass Communion - absolutely brilliant - all Prog musicians should release 'solo' albums that are outside the box and unlike anything they've done before ... IEM - the name says it all ... solo - have all his 'cover' singles so far and I will complete the set when he finishes them.
...(one of) Your favourite bands of all time - Dream Theater - I bought A Change of Seasons solely because of "In The Flesh" on "The Big Medley" and haven't looked back since, though I think only every other album they release is a masterpiece
 . I even have their live cover of DSotM - which is okay, but for me cannot match PFs original or the live version on Pulse. ...now I'm not saying because I like some the bands you evidently like means that you should in turn like the bands I like, that would be daft - everyone's taste is different, but that doesn't make the bands I like and you don't any less valid and it certainly does not mean that I 'overrate' them and I definitely would not claim that you 'overrate' the bands you like that I don't (whover they are
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Posted By: Terria
Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 17:35
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No! I find "overrated" to be "overrated" as far as labels go.
And Floyd is God!
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Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 17:41
Before I started my response, I just wanted to point out a couple things from your post, which I hope you will read carefully before reading my response. First of all I'd like to thank you for taking the time in engaging me in a stimulating, intellectual debate, one of the things in life that I enjoy . I still stick by my statements that PF was influential in the progressive movement and goodness knows there would be many bands that wouldn't exist today, both inside and outside of prog, if they had never existed. However, that doesn't mean that I can't make the logical jump to saying they're overrated. For example, anyone that I personally know who isn't heavily into prog, or doesn't listen to it, tends to treat PF as if they are God incarnate, which is what in the end bugs me the most. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if many people on this site feel the same way. Let me give you a mainstream example and a prog example. Someone I know from my summer job told me a few days ago that he thinks that PF is easily one of the top 5 bands of all time and asked if I agreed with him. When I said they'd probably be in my top 150, he freaked out and asked how I couldn't like the greatest band in the world. As soon as I started explaining how PF made simplistic music, he said he had no clue what I was talking about and promptly continued, jokingly, belittling me for not liking PF enough, ignoring what I'd just said. Another example is of a friend of mine who has been listening to prog metal for a couple years now, but is just getting into the classic 70s material. Awhile ago, I remember making an anti-PF comment in front of him and he was on my case immediately, saying many of the same points that you've mentioned. I claimed that the fact that PF makes prog music simplistic enough for a mainstream audience to absorb it and immediately think that said band is God helps prove my point on why I think they're overrated. Some of their albums in particular are overrated in terms of how proggy they are. I wouldn't doubt for a minute that Animals, AHM, and WYWH are definitely albums that deserve more recognition, but albums like DSOTM and The Wall make me wonder how committed they are to the prog scene. Unfortunately I don't have enough time to cover everything I want to in your post, but if there is anything else you wish to debate/still don't fully understand about my opinion please feel free to respond to me again.-------------
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Posted By: Evandro Martini
Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 18:11
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Pink Floyd is a great band with more than one masterpiece, but yes they are overrated.
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Posted By: kenmartree
Date Posted: June 18 2008 at 05:53
Birdwithteeth, I would like you to consider not letting what other people think effect your appreciation of a band. Would you feel differently if these people you encounter didn't exist? I understand you don't feel the same way about PF that you used to, but don't you get nostalgic listening to stuff from yesteryear? I was listening to PF in the 70s and maybe I don't play them so much anymore because there is so much great music to digest, but when I listen to them now I still love it. PT may get really big in a few years, I hope and doubt that your opinion of his music will change if millions flock to be PT fans. Peace, Kenmar
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Posted By: Prejjer
Date Posted: June 18 2008 at 10:00
| I have heard their entire discography and I must say that yes, they are overrated. I think most of their albums range from good to average. I think what I like most about Floyd though, would be that their discography holds a huge variety, (not as huge as KC, but still pretty huge). But still... They are very overrated, and they are definitely not one of the more prominent 'prog' bands, in fact, I would hesistate to call them prog in the first place. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 18 2008 at 10:22
^ I would rate any discography by its best album ... maybe with really big discographies the top 2 or 3 albums. By that standard, Pink Floyd are underrated.
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Posted By: Prejjer
Date Posted: June 18 2008 at 10:37
| I personally think A Saucerful of Secrets and Animals are the best floyd albums, and they are both 3.5-4.0 stars to me. But hey, thats just me anyway. |
Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: June 18 2008 at 11:45
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Wow, 5 pages already? This thread is overrated.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 18 2008 at 17:59
Last night I wrote a reply to this and lost it due to IE7's overrated ability to process text-boxes. This evening I re-wrote it, though nowhere near as erudite or wittily, and IE7 flushed it into the ether again. I'm old and life is far to short to go through all that again. So I started using Firefox - which I dislike with a passion because it is clunky and slow and has an unpleasant way of displaying text which hurts my eyes – but it doesn’t have a spell-checker, so now I’m using Word.
None of this is particularly relevant, except I'm not in the same buoyant responsive mood I was when I started this. So, for the final time, here are the salient points minus all the erudite comments and witty responses...1. I read everything carefully; especially things I write, but thnaks fur the typ
 2.1 I cannot make the same logical leaps as you because to me they are illogical, but that's my prerogative/failing
2.2 If a band is influential in the Prog world and highly regarded in the ‘real’ world then it does not follow that they are generally overrated.
2.3 You could say they are overrated in the ‘real’ world, but this thread is saying they are overrated here (in our little Prog world), and that is what you implied in your initial post. You have since clarified that, but still haven't explained why you think that is the case.
3.1 Elevating rock idols to god-like status is something all teenagers do (and something some of us grow out of
) – that does not mean they are overrating the artists, it just means they quite like them (a bit) ((this week)) (((until the next fad comes along))) (((()))).3.2 Some people venerate Christain Vander as a God-like figure (I don’t) but I would never say Magma is overrated because of that.
3.3 Idolatry is something that angered Roger Waters greatly (hence the infamous Montreal incident) – he witnessed the bad-effects of it with Syd Barrett and he wrote songs about it several times between 1969 and 1979, culminating in The Wall, where it is one of the underlying themes.
3.4 Criticising an artist because of their fans behaviour is not artistic criticism, nor is it 'fair'
4.1 Prog music does not have to be complex, and there’s nothing in the rule-book about mainstream having to be simplistic either.
4.2 I honestly cannot be bothered counting the beats in a bar to see whether a band is using irrational meters or indulging in rapid signature changes – when they get it wrong I’ll notice, but that hardly going to be good music in that case. Money switched between 7/4 and common time - (That’s the erudite bit remembered
) – but that makes no difference to 99% of the people who listen to it.4.3 Prog-by-numbers is as creative as painting-by-numbers (Oh! And I've remembered the witty bit!
 )5. but I’ve forgotten what point ‘5’ was.
 6. How proggy an album is is not relevant – progginess is (a made up word and is) subjective. Whatever criteria you use to gauge it, most bands who have a long recording history will have albums that will fail your proggy test at some point.
7. Atom Heart Mother was Floyd’s first UK No. 1 album – nothing remotely simplistic or ‘mainstream’ there. DSotM never got to No. 1. Go figure.
8. Commitment to Prog by an artist is irrelevant – Robert Fripp and Steven Wilson (to name but two) are in Prog-denial, but that does not stop us regarding them as Prog artists or their music as Prog. Quite a few Prog bands from the 70s & 80s made 'commercial' albums - some of them successfully, some not.
You can criticise a band – and their fans will come to their defence, that is to be expected – make anti-PF comments in front of a PF fan and he gets on your case – Quelle Surprise! Criticise any band in front of their fans and heaven knows where your new butt-hole will be, but sure as eggs is eggs you’ll have one by the time they’re finished with you.
You can criticise an album – that’s what this site is all about after all. But simply state that a 5-star album is overrated without justifying that based upon the music alone and watch the complaints flood in.
That is because calling something overrated is not criticising the band or the album – all you are doing is attacking the fans of that artist by saying their judgement is flawed and not as good as yours.
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Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: July 10 2008 at 12:02
| Absolutely no way are Floyd overrated. One of the all time great prog bands, and one of the most influential. They were involved right at the start of the prog movement, ie Atom Heart Mother suite, a true epic rather than a few songs thrown together. Their output from AHM through to The Wall was outstanding. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 10 2008 at 12:53
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I really wish there were other option for this poll. Now I was a big a Pink Floyd fan, but judging from close friend's exhortations in the past of the amazingly outstanding nature of Pink Floyd (as the best), I feel that there is rather too much hype and hyperbole when it comes to PF -- speaking from personal experience. But fans do tend to overpraise/ go overboard with their enthusiasms. Still, no vote. Obviously, Pink Floyd is a very important band, and I enjoy many of the compositions greatly.
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: July 10 2008 at 12:57
This should be repeated in every "overrated/underrated" thread from now on. |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: July 10 2008 at 13:09
| ^I wouldn't say for underrated, but yes for overrated. |
Posted By: alanerc
Date Posted: July 10 2008 at 16:14
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Well, maybe some of PA guys don't like PF 'cause it's very comercial band, maybe one of the most comercial bands ever, but you have to admit, you don't find albums like Meddle, Dark side of Moon, or Wish you were here every day Overrated: No |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: July 10 2008 at 16:19
"Underrated" can be just as obnoxious sometimes. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 10 2008 at 16:35
Equally so; depending on who says it and depending on my opinion (which counts highly, at least for me). It can be obnoxious when someone says that people have too low as well as too high an opinion of anything, and it can be very misleading. Imagine someone saying that Stalin is overrated by communists, or that Marx is underrated by economists (this socialist admires Marx, but despises Stalin). I'm against torture, but it would be wrong for to say that torture is overrated by sadists. The fanatics, and non-fanatics, have a right to their opinion of merit, as long as they don't have their facts wrong. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: July 10 2008 at 16:42
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Few bands have had the output that Floyd had in a 10 year span. AHM,Meddle,DSOTM,WYWH,Animals and The Wall. 1996 RnR Hall of Fame inductee. They have gotten their accolades. |
Posted By: JROCHA
Date Posted: July 10 2008 at 17:26
| they are praised too much by many, they are a great band though, thet made some great albums , but i don't think they compare to King Crimson,Genesis,Yes or Rush. thats just what i think |
Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: July 11 2008 at 03:33
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Sure they're insanely popular, but they freaking deserve to be.
I don't consider them overrated, nor underrated but I will say they get a bit of a bum rep sometimes within the prog fan community, maybe because they're not the most skilled of musicians. But that to me is one of the things that made Floyd so great, they showed a side of prog that didn't need to rely on technical prowess or rhythmic complexity.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: July 11 2008 at 15:15
huh!!!!???? Pink Floyd not better or at least equal TO RUSH?!?! Dude are you serious? Not saying Rush is a bad band, but Floyd is a cornestone of the whole Prog genre, while Rush just being for Heavy Prog(not a bad thing, though) And if you say that Floyd is too praised by many, isn't Rush too?! I surely wouldn't consider any Rush album better to any of Floyd albums from the 70's. AHM, Meddle, OBC, DSOTM, WYWH, Animals and The Wall are classics and extremely innovating. Rush could have released A Farewell to Kings, Hemispheres, Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures, but seriously they're no match to Floyd, maybe equally on high standard material but on innovation, nah. It seems you're praising too much Rush, saying that they're better than Floyd, sorry, but I completely disagree with ya, I know it's YOUR opinion, but this isn't really something complicated to think of. |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: July 11 2008 at 15:18
I would listen to those albums over any Floyd album every day of the week and twice on Sundays. Yay opinions. |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: July 11 2008 at 15:30
Next time, if you want to state a reasonable point, don't be a hypocrite and lose all of your credibility with it. You could have easily just said that all of his stuff was opinion and therefore didn't make it objective, but then you imply that your opinion IS objective. What the hell?  ------------- 
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: July 11 2008 at 15:51
My comrade may not want to continue this argument, but I'd be willing to, since I have not yet offered my two cents in this topic with a direct post.
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Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: July 11 2008 at 15:57
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None of the choices reflects my opinion.I think they deserve all the hype they get but have to admit that I hate those fanboys with the DSOTM t shirt. Probably they are considered overrated because... lets face it They are introductory prog ,it's like a gateway to hear more challenging music like KC or VDGG.So then yo can go to a newbie who listens to PF and say:You call THAT prog!!
.(then make sure you start playing Pawn Hearts to the newbie to support your opinion).They have achieved a lot of success and sold a lot of records so , picture Lizard or Larks tongues... videos on MTV.No matter how complex they are lots of proggers are gonna say: Hey dude!!! The Crimson King has sold out!!!
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