Complex Jazz-oriented drummers?
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Topic: Complex Jazz-oriented drummers?
Posted By: Aleister Portier
Subject: Complex Jazz-oriented drummers?
Date Posted: June 08 2008 at 17:39
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I want to apologize beforehand, if this post is somewhat long, boring, or pointless to anyone.
I am not sure if this would be the proper section to post such a request, and if it not, I do apologize.
Furthermore, I am in search of a complex, jazzy drummer, as every drummer I have known can only play in 4/4 time. The music I write has no modern influences in it, but rather that of:
King Crimson, Soft Machine, Yes, Gentle Giant, Van Der Graaf Generator, Gnidrolog, Hatfield & The North, Giles, Giles & Fripp, Gong, Egg, Premiata Forneria Marconi, Le Orme, Magma & Jethro Tull, as far as progressive rock goes (this does not mean that I try to imitate any of these bands).
In addition, I am also influenced by the more obvious (and not so progressive, although some are somewhat progressive):
The Beatles, Pink Floyd, Hawkwind, The Moody Blues, The Byrds, Led Zeppelin, The Doors, Crosby, Stills, Nash And Young, The Jimi Hendrix Experience & Bob Dylan & The Band.
Albeit, I do not like to add mainstream-sounds to my music (such as the previous list of bands). Basically, if my music was published, it would most likely not be played on the radio, due to length, and the fact that it is not something everyday people would listen to (i.e. King Crimson, Yes' longer pieces, Pink Floyd's early material, and probably the rest of the first set of bands I named).
Location does not matter, as I am looking to travel anyways. But if you are not in a band, or a serious one, and what I have written interests you, please contact me and perhaps we could conversate about music in general.
To further describe myself, I play guitar, bass, keyboard, flute and create tape music (avant-garde, concréte) on a vintage reel to reel tape machine. I also write poetry, which would be used in place of standard lyrics (it is usually, but not always philisophical (i.e. space, time, meaning, etcetera). I am not looking for other musicians other than drummers, unless they are multi-instrumentalist and their main instrument are the drums.
I fuse rock, jazz, classical, psychedelic and avant-garde music.
And finally, in addition to the bands that I have listed above, here are the last of my influences (just so you can get a good idea of the type of music I am interested in):
Jazz:
John Coltrane, Miles Davis, Bill Evans, Bobby Hutcherson, Wayne Shorter, Grant Green, Eric Dolphy, Charles Mingus, Herbie Hancock, Sonny Rollins, Wynton Kelly, Sonny Clark & Hank Jones.
Classical:
Fryderyk Chopin, Ludwig Van Beethoven & Felix Mendelssohn
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Avant-garde: Karlheinz Stockhausen, Vladimir Ussachevsky, Ilhan Mimaroglu, Morton Subotnick & Edgard Varèse ------------- Aleister Portier |
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Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: June 08 2008 at 18:35
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Your music sounds interesting. Sorry I can't help.
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: June 08 2008 at 18:43
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Im a drummer from Norway who loves playing in odd times and intericate beats. I still live in Norway though..
Excellent taste in music you have, have you tried bands like Henry Cow, Univers Zero and Present? I think you would have liked them!
------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: Aleister Portier
Date Posted: June 08 2008 at 19:05
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Thank you both for your kind responses. BJ-1, I have listened to both Henry Cow (e.g. Leg End or: Legend, Unrest) and Univers Zero (only Heresie). I first came to hear Univers Zero from listening to and reading about Magma. I am very much interested in the avant-garde, whether it be in music, art, film, etcetera. If you would BJ-1, could you possibly private message me your email so that we may further talk about our interests with the avant-garde?
Good day. ------------- Aleister Portier |
Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: June 09 2008 at 06:23
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Hi Aleister,
Whether you are looking for drummers to play with, or for people who share your tastes in music, I'm sure you'll find plenty of either category here. Welcome to Progarchives! |
Posted By: Aleister Portier
Date Posted: June 09 2008 at 07:47
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Thank you. I had been here several times to read reviews about very obscure (or somewhat obscure) bands from the late 1960's and 1970's, but I had never looked further into the site to even see that there was a forum---I suppose I was too involved in reading. I am sure that I will finally find others who share the same interests in music as myself, as there is no one where I live who even know this type of music exists.
Good day to you. ------------- Aleister Portier |
Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: June 09 2008 at 07:57
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Hello Portier, i see you have good taste in music and i think is not very hard to find a jazz drummer ( a complex one as you said) and specialy in USA. I was a jazz drummer 'til i get married 5 years ago. My band was called Pilgrims. My influences was at that time and still i like to listen among others bands like
Brand X, Passport (one of my fav from jazz fusion), Al Di Meola, Bill Bruford, Allan Holdsworth, Return to Forever and many more. I can't help you with a drummer but if you want to talk about music in general i'm will responde to you when ever you want. Anyway keep looking might be a drummer around the corner and you didn't saw him. All the best
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: June 09 2008 at 09:51
I think the Mahavishnu Orchestra and John Mclaughlin's other works deserve a mention here. I think you would like the Pat Metheny Group also. There's lots and lots of experimental jazz fusion avante-garde music on the archives, more than you need to last you. You shouldn't have any problems finding bands/composers/musicians you like here 
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Posted By: Aleister Portier
Date Posted: June 09 2008 at 10:05
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Of course. I have listened to some of the Mahavishnu Orchestra's albums, but I must say that I prefer John McLaughlin in his work with Miles Davis (e.g. In A Silent Way, and the brilliant Bitches Brew). ------------- Aleister Portier |
Posted By: NurseryCryme89
Date Posted: June 09 2008 at 13:14
f**k man! too bad you didn't live in CA...my bass player and I have been searching for someone like you for a long while now! anyways, good luck in your search!  |
Aleister Portier wrote:Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: June 09 2008 at 17:54
My PM box is almost full
 , but this is a damn fine thread to discuss avant-garde in: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23750&PN=1 - RIO Drop-In-Centre
 ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: Weston
Date Posted: June 09 2008 at 19:01
You're probably right. I'm the only other progressive rock, jazz fusion, Morton Subotnik fan in Tennessee. And I'm a recluse.
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Posted By: Mahakam
Date Posted: June 09 2008 at 19:14
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Aleister, your post is neither long, boring nor pointless... however, my reply might be : I couldn't play the drums for the life of me and, although you like traveling, I guess Paris/France may a bit too far for your taste ;-) So why do I bother posting here ? Well, just because your musical tastes are very eclectic (not to mention excellent) and I really hope you do find the drummers of your dreams so that, eventually, we might get the chance of hearing your music ! Personnaly, I sure wish I was as talented as you ! Best of luck & Keep on progging |
Posted By: Aleister Portier
Date Posted: June 09 2008 at 20:05
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Actually I have thought of moving to France several times. No place is too far for me, as if you have a job and you are young and ambitious---you can move anywhere that you wish. I only wish to find a drummer who could perhaps travel with me. But thank you, and I hope that you are able to hear my music as well. : ) ------------- Aleister Portier |
Posted By: Hallogallo
Date Posted: June 10 2008 at 23:32
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If you ever move to Toronto, Ontario, I'd consider doing a project with you as I'm a highly-experienced drummer who loves complex beats and also has an eclectic taste in music. Although I'm not the one to travel great distances.
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Posted By: agProgger
Date Posted: June 10 2008 at 23:40
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I appreciate the old prog, and I listen to a good bit of it, but it always makes me wonder why people bother putting together new projects in this vein. The point of music, in my opinion, should be to convey some sort of message, be it a story or a set of principles about life. Part of that leadership is know your audience -- it would be virtually impossible for any band set up in the vein of the old classics to have any influence on anyone outside of a very, very small circle. It's just self-indulgence. Granted, I am a drummer who can play complex beats, and I have pretty eclectic tastes, but I'm not going to go driving down a bridge to nowhere. I can respect you as a musician, but we must look beyond ourselves and our own ambitions and see how we can influence the world. If we don't do that, then why were we ever alive? ------------- Friend of the honest; enemy of the arrogant and closed-minded. |
Posted By: listen
Date Posted: June 11 2008 at 03:24
Woah there. There's always room for new music. Being influenced by older bands is not the same as wanting to copy them or set up in the same way. P.S.: A mind is nothing if it isn't receptive to others' ideas or other possibilities. Those who don't have open minds are bound to be ignorant, stubborn, out of touch with reality, and unintelligent. Do you really think that "An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded"? |
Posted By: Aleister Portier
Date Posted: June 11 2008 at 19:17
Because some of us "appreciate" it, more than others. And I believe you can still "convery messages, be it a story or set of principles about life", regardless of the complexity of the music. It just means more to some people when the music isn't three or four power chords on top of a cliché "story" (i.e. bad relationship, etcetera). Progressive rock has always been criticized for self-indulgence, but personally. . .if I write the music, then I am going to write it the way I like it, and not the way that I know will make all of the young girls go and buy my album.
Money obviously isn't the reason that I want to be a musician. Of course, who wouldn't want to be very wealthy? I can't say that I fully believe that you respect that genre of music, if you are suggesting that we do not play it, but rather the genre of "progressive rock" today---which in my opinion isn't what I consider true progressive rock. Albeit, everyone has their own opinion about music, and this is just mine.
But the way I see it---when a progressive rock fan hears a very complex and epic piece, he or she can really contemplate about various things. If I were to do that for a modern day "hit" song, then the two or three minutes given, would not give me very long to open my mind---not that if it was any longer, the subject matter would actually appeal to me; but for myself, the first two or three minutes are just an intro.
Furthermore, I hope my opinions were not harsh or offending to you or anyone else who feels the same. I am just stating my thoughts as you did yours. ------------- Aleister Portier |
Posted By: agProgger
Date Posted: June 11 2008 at 21:36
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Sorry, I should have elaborated further, because I thought this might be your response. I'm glad you were open about the response, though, because I know some people could have gotten defensive given my post. I love prog, don't get me wrong, and I, too, want to create a progressive band, but I don't want to draw all my influences from the old prog bands and set up in their style, because, in my mind, that is a violation of what prog stands for. To me, prog is more of a commitment than a style. You commit yourself to put forth additional effort and go further with your music than your average band. It's like the Gifted and Talented program for the music world. I don't want money as a musician, either; I do, however, want to change people's lives. I want my presence to be felt. This means dedicating myself to working hard on song structure, lyrics, etc., so that it is not complexity merely for complexity's sake, but so that it all communicates more effectively what I am trying to portray. I think some of the best bands in this regard are Tool and Porcupine Tree. Tool -- like it or not -- has had a tremendous impact on a large number of people's lives, despite (or rather, because of) their compositional and lyrical complexity; however, they compose their pieces in such a manner that is captivating and entrancing even to large portions of the average population. The reason I'm suggesting that you not play the old progressive rock style is because only a niche crowd of people actually enjoy that music now, immediately limiting your effectiveness. You can still be progressive without sounding like the people of the 70's. Of course, maybe you should define your goals; if you're trying to influence musicians moreso than listeners, then maybe your project is a worthy venture, because that's just about all I find that experimental projects are good for these days. If you have any ideas that you're trying to put forth to inquisitive minds, then do something that spurs on their inquisitiveness, so that it draws them in to unravel more and more layers of complexity. Give them a reason to listen, instead of expecting just the intellectually elite to listen to and enjoy your music. If you just make smart people think, what have you accomplished? Those smart people were already thinking -- you just want their attention. If you make people who weren't already thinking start to do so, then you have accomplished something. ------------- Friend of the honest; enemy of the arrogant and closed-minded. |
Posted By: agProgger
Date Posted: June 11 2008 at 21:39
Haha sorry about that -- I should have changed that long ago. I sometimes enjoy being the embodiment of the exact opposite viewpoint from what I espouse, either for humor or to make people think. In this case, it was just a ridiculous quote from a blatantly overzealous character in a game I sometimes play, and I found it funny in its obvious flaws. ------------- Friend of the honest; enemy of the arrogant and closed-minded. |
Posted By: Aleister Portier
Date Posted: June 12 2008 at 18:42
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A violation of what progressive rock stands for? If so, then how would writing in the style of Tool or Porcupine Tree be any different? I believe it is safe to say, that there is no band or sole musician that hasn't drawn influences from previous musicians. In my opinion, it would be more creative to draw influences from older progressive rock, when it was something new, rather than to take influences from a band that has been in the scene for the past five or so years. I haven't heard of a band that has that 1969-1970's "sound"---so playing in that manner wouldn't be something that is very common today. I never said I didn't want money---of course I want money, because in this world, you have to have money to survive. I am just saying that money isn't my number one priority, such as bands that have that "hit" and know that they will make a few million, but ultimately never be remembered as being a great band (i.e. Nickelback, Hinder, etcetera.)Again, music isn't a popularity contest to me---If that "elite" group of people listen to and respect that kind of music (including my own), then my goal is accomplished. When you say only a certain niche of people listen to progressive rock, that is really applied to every genre of music. (Sorry if this seems closed minded) Rednecks listen to country, skateboarders generally listen to punk or anarchist-esque, the general population of African Americans and/or Americans who think that they are African Americans, generally listen to rap.
Tool and/or Porcupine Tree are not bands that the entire world are going to enjoy (nor is any one genre or band). If you want to create your own Progressive (Metal) band, then that is your own choice, albeit I do not really understand the point in trying to discourage someone from starting a more traditional Progressive Rock band.
Furthermore, I want to comment on a statement that you made:
"Give them a reason to listen, instead of expecting just the intellectually elite to listen to and enjoy your music. If you just make smart people think, what have you accomplished? Those smart people were already thinking -- you just want their attention. If you make people who weren't already thinking start to do so, then you have accomplished something."
On this matter, how does a band "give" their fans a reason to listen, unless they prove that they are a worthy band capable of producing complex and experimental music (or just something original), and not your every day one-hit wonder. And it does not neccessarily take a "smart" person to listen to complex music---anyone who is capable of hearing is capable of listening to any kind of music; it all just depends on their taste. And "smart" people aren't the only people who think. . .I would have to say that any average human being thinks, as every human being is equipped with a brain---which naturally produces thoughts. If they were not already thinking, then apparently there were further medical issues involved---which had nothing to do with how much of an impact the music or message in the music had on them. ------------- Aleister Portier |
Posted By: agProgger
Date Posted: June 12 2008 at 21:31
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Tool and Porcupine Tree take modern sounds and go further with them. I don't want to make a Tool or Porcupine Tree ripoff band, but I would want it to sound more modern than a traditional prog rock band. Now I know, though, that there isn't a band in existence that doesn't draw from somewhere else, but even though Tool references King Crimson, for example, they sound vastly different. Another idea I'd like to develop with you is the idea of layers of complexity. I'm not the biggest Tool fan, but they just happen to be a really good example: they often have quite simple guitar riffs that people can catch on to, but under that is a complex rhythmic structure, experimental noise, some pretty interesting bass-lines, and deep lyrics (depending on who you ask). Those all have varying degrees of complexity, often all going at the same time, which gives the average person a starting point and a path to follow to the highest degree of complexity. Also, I see all musical elements -- from flutes to death growls to violas and back again -- as musical "tools" that all convey their own mood or idea. I personally don't want to structure myself around one particular style unless it just so happens that the entirety of the idea falls under one style. As far as "thinking" goes, you'd be surprised at how many people don't think about what they're doing and just coast along. Technically, their brain is processing information, but they don't stop to consider anything. It's kind of like the Christian idea of "they hear, but they do not hear; seeing, they do not see". The point is that you should not be vying for the attention of those who are already pre-disposed to listen to one particular type of music. It is when you do this -- not when you create very simple music -- that no one remembers you. The Beatles are a prime example of a band that brought in all kinds of people. Us her And one last afterthought: those who think stereotypes don't have some (or maybe even a lot of) elements of truth are just as closed-minded as those who think they are always true. ------------- Friend of the honest; enemy of the arrogant and closed-minded. |
Posted By: Aleister Portier
Date Posted: June 12 2008 at 21:40
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Both of our opinions have been stated (probably a bit tediously), so I do not believe it is necessary to continue to quarrel about our different beliefs in musical composition. ------------- Aleister Portier |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 12 2008 at 21:44
You must be new here. |
Posted By: Aleister Portier
Date Posted: June 12 2008 at 21:52
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Judging by my status as "Newbie" and only having eight posts---I think it is safe to say that, yes, I am new here.
This thread was created so that I could find a certain criteria of drummers (in which I have found one, and we are communicating)---not for myself to express my views on music (in which I seemed to have done a bit of anyway). ------------- Aleister Portier |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 12 2008 at 21:53
= joke |
Posted By: agProgger
Date Posted: June 12 2008 at 22:11
I didn't see it as a quarrel. I was interested in hearing more about your perspective =) ------------- Friend of the honest; enemy of the arrogant and closed-minded. |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 13 2008 at 05:37
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What makes the 70s music sound so unique, different and, in my honest opinion, "better", are the imperfections of it. Today a band goes into the studio for several days and work on their albums until everything is "perfect". Perfection, however, is sterile; it leaves the listener without a certain longing that I think is an essential part of music. There is nowhere to go after perfection, except downhill. I highly recommend to read Kurt Tucholsky's little essay "Die Sehnsucht nach dem Schlussakkord" ("The longing for the final chord"), in which he hints at what I mean. In the 70s the bands were glad if they finally got a few hours of studio time to put an album together; they just played, balancing on a knife edge all the time because they knew there would be very little chance to correct mistakes. Don't get me wrong, I am not speaking of obvious blunders, it is those little imperfections that make music seem alive. Most of today's music simply leaves me cold, because that element is missing. -------------  BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 13 2008 at 06:52
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^ then classical music must be horrible for you, since it generally requires a level of perfection which you don't find in any other genre (rock, metal, jazz etc.). I think it's great if musician try to improve their playing technique to a point of perfection. Obviously you can never reach it, but you should try to. It doesn't mean that the recording loses "soul" because of it ... the greatest players manage to combine soul and impeccable technique. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to: 
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: June 13 2008 at 06:57
| Heh, funny that. Friede might as well be talking about improvisation and Mike about composition. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 13 2008 at 07:05
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^ maybe, but what I said applies to both improvised and composed parts. When a great player improvises, you ideally never notice ... that's a different kind of perfection than simply mastering your playing technique, but IMO it's also something which musicians should try to achieve. In any case, I don't need to hear imperfections in order to enjoy something.
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 13 2008 at 07:09
Sorry, Mike, you have not grasped at all what I mean by "perfection". I am not talking about playing techniques. It is this constant going over a recording to eliminate even the slightest imperfection which I criticize. Which is one reason I much prefer live albums to studio recordings, at least when they have not been heavily overdubbed to eliminate those little things I am speaking of. You will find these little imperfections in the best orchestras even, and that is totally ok with me. Human beings are human beings, not machines. If you want "perfection" go and have a robot play the instrument; you will quickly notice how horrible it sounds. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 13 2008 at 07:32
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^ we do mean the same thing. I don't want perfectly quantized playing ... nobody wants that. But there's a difference between playing sloppy and playing tightly ... and sloppy playing is the worst thing for a drummer, regardless of the genre. As long as a recorded part is sloppy and doesn't groove, it has to be re-recorded. Of course if in a 3 minute take there are two or three notes which are out of line, it might be ok to keep it that way and move on ...
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Posted By: Aleister Portier
Date Posted: June 13 2008 at 19:37
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I believe I understand what you mean about "perfection". A lot of progressive rock bands had those tendacies. They really did add to the rawness of the music though. Now with all of the digital recording equipment, it does have a different, more smooth sound. Personally, I prefer the raw sound.
I had a Presonus Firepod and used it for about a year and now I have an Akai GX-280D-SS, and there is a very noticeable difference in the sound. The Akai, being analog and vintage has that ruff texture to it. ------------- Aleister Portier |
Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: June 13 2008 at 20:42
No you're not (well, excepting Morton Subotnik) |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 14 2008 at 04:32
Exactly. There is still a lot of barking going on, but the smoothness takes away the bite. The best example for this are distorted guitars: With the newer production they no longer really sound distorted. Now what is the point of that? ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: June 14 2008 at 06:39
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This topic is perhaps getting off a bit topic, but in regards to Baldfriede's post, I want to chime in here. I cannot really agree with your statement on newer production reducing the "distorted sound" of guitars in newer recordings. I can name many bands of today that sound far more distorted than say, Yngwie Malmsteen's guitar did back in 1984. Why is this? A lot of it comes down to the actual guitar gear used. Guitarists, like myself and many others, pick their gear (budget dependent though) to please their own quest for what they think sounds good, not what the audience think will be a good tone. Malmsteen's tone is deliberately very clear and clean sounding, yet he using a Marshall Plexi Super Lead Head on 10, combined with an overdrive pedal for more gain, so he is actually using a lot of gain to achieve his guitar tone. Same with Eric Johnson, but even more so, by using a guitar rig that features multiple overdrive pedals, and is highly compressed, yet sounds smooth as butter, and he has sounded like this since the 80s, and sounds like this now with the "newer production". A lot of high gain players, with the exception of the doom metal scene etc, like our high gain, but yet with good clarity, and generally we don't go for the buzzy, "distorted sounding" tones some lower gain players prefer. ------------- 
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 14 2008 at 12:27
Well, if this is true, all I can say is: And you guys wonder why so many people say the prog-rock of the 70s was better . I can't for the life of mine understand why someone would want to sound like a toothless terrier.  (Shaking my head incredulously).------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: June 14 2008 at 13:07
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Production. When you just cannot come up with anything remotely interesting musically. |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: June 14 2008 at 13:17
I wasn't referring to modern versus older prog at all. I was talking more about the modern high gain guitar tone in general, which has it's applications in metal, shred and jazz fusion (the 3 primary genres that come to mind right now anyway). Not every modern guitar tone is buttery smooth, there are still many players utilising the more rough edged and mid range scooped tone. The tone goes hand in hand with the musical context. If you're playing jazz fusion, you're not going to use a molten heavy metal guitar tone, instead you will be using heaps of gain (in the case of the more technically orientated bands anyway), rolling off some high end and it will give it the smooth buttery character. For metal, you can use a smooth lead tone, but when it comes to heavy chugging rhythms, that smooth tone sometimes just doesn't cut it, so you boost the high and low end, cut mid range and that gives the tone a more gnarly harsh feel to it. "I can't for the life of mine understand why someone would want to sound like a toothless terrier" You won't sound like a toothless terrier, you're just getting the tone you need for the application. You say "I can't understand" but you're exactly right, because you're not the one chasing the tone, we, the guitarists are the ones that can understand what we want to sound like so we chase those tones as a result. Every serious guitarist can testify they would rather get a tone for themselves rather than who is listening, because in the end if you want to express yourself in the way you want, getting your own tone is what liberates you (the guitarist). -------------
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 14 2008 at 15:08
For fusion I would think that guitar tone is adequate, but for metal and shred? No way! As I have said in another thread, metal bands simply sound too clean for the aggressive music they play. The sound and the music don't go together, in my opinion. Instead they resort to double bass-drumming, as if that would make the music more aggressive. It does not at all; those bass-drum thunderstorms only manage to flatten the sound. I really love aggressive music, but sadly prog metal is anything but that, in my opinion. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: June 14 2008 at 15:21
| Thunderstorms... isn't the Japanese god of thunder a drummer? |
Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: June 14 2008 at 23:21
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Tatsuya Yoshida is a god to me, if that's what you're asking.
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: June 15 2008 at 03:44
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No, I was asking whether the Japanese thunder god was traditionally portrayed as a drummer. I think he was. Yoshida is awesome, that is certain. |