The Wall- sad or optimistic ending?
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Topic: The Wall- sad or optimistic ending?
Posted By: Captain Fudge
Subject: The Wall- sad or optimistic ending?
Date Posted: April 04 2005 at 08:26
Always been wondering. Pretty hard to guess what you think, I think it's as melancholic and depressingly beautiful as the rest of the album ------------- 
Teenage sucks hard -- Emo sucks even harder Epic. Simply epic. |
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: April 04 2005 at 08:34
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Sounds melancholic, but there is also a sense of reflief after the 'wall' has been 'torn' down. Great ending to a thoroughly depressing album ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 04 2005 at 09:01
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false happy end?
the wall will reconstruct |
Posted By: Cesar Inca
Date Posted: April 04 2005 at 09:25
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Yes, it's a false happy ending. When the listener is just starting to enjoy the main character's relief, the words: "Isn't it..." sound right in the end. The sentence is complete with the words "... where we started?", which is why the circular structure of the concept hints to the point that the happy end is not really THE end. Maybe it's not cynical: perhaps it's more realisitic. Tearing down our walls is not something you can do only once in your lifetime; you have to do it constantly, since you always get hurt in one way or another, and your "natural" tendency is to retreat in order not to get hurt anymore, and then you remember than closing down on yourself is even more hurtful (to yoursef and your significant others), and you have to open up once again, and then, when you open your heart, somethig will happen or someone will do or say something that will hurt you deeply... and the wheel of pain-and-redemption goes on and on. Regards. |
oliverstoned wrote:Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: April 04 2005 at 09:25
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in the movie, pink gets convicted at the trial, they tear down the wall. and then you see some kids emptying petrol bombs... i guess its a bit of both really, i think it suggests that things get better after but its still pretty sad imagery. ------------- The Worthless Recluse 
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Posted By: Yams
Date Posted: April 04 2005 at 10:07
| I always thought Waters left it open for a sequel. Of course he'll never allow anyone to ruin it by making a sequel, but life outside The Wall is going to be just as bad, if not worse as inside The Wall. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 04 2005 at 16:34
I agree with those comments.Good post Cesar. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: April 04 2005 at 17:23
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Cesar got it A big cycle ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 04 2005 at 17:26
I voted 'optimistic' to even the score a bit. Really, I don't see how it could be viewed as an optimistic ending; the guy becomes fascist!
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 04 2005 at 20:59
| I completly agree with Cesar!!!! |
Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: April 04 2005 at 21:09
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The ending to me was always sad with a hint of optimism. Essentially what I believe happens is Pink realizes the error of his selfish ways and breaks down the mental wall and becomes one with the environment. This of course, is an opinion. And I never really liked Outside the Wall all that much, it was too quiet... ------------- 
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Posted By: Hierophant
Date Posted: April 04 2005 at 22:08
| I find waters boring... so i guess ill say sad. |
Posted By: Captain Fudge
Date Posted: April 05 2005 at 08:16
Indeed, Cesar nailed it. I think the moral is that mental freedom is a prison, and that one can never be free -------------
Teenage sucks hard -- Emo sucks even harder Epic. Simply epic. |
Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: April 05 2005 at 08:17
------------- Billy Connolly Dream Theater Terry Gilliam Hagen Quartet Jethro Tull Mike Keneally |
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: April 05 2005 at 11:33
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roger waters isn't one to be found smiling as this soundtrack to your depression has proved ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: Cesar Inca
Date Posted: April 07 2005 at 09:28
Man With Hat stated it with precise concision: it's a cycle. Unlike IQ's "Subterranea", which portrays a journey with a specific beginning and a definite end. The main character in "Subterranea" is released from the environment he has always known (a cell in a sinister castel htat works as a big psychiatric lab) to experience life in te hreal world. Having done that, and having even tried to leave his past behind (he leads an attempt of rebellion against Dr. Mockenrue, the director of that psych. lab), he returns mildly to his original cell, accepting his own fate: he is destined to be a slave of Dr. Mockenrue, this is his role in this world. It's a sad ending, too, since the main character finds that acceptance is the best thing he can do, but in his personal case, it is the acceptance of a fatal destiny. The concept of "The Wall" states not a ride from a beginning to an end, but a cycle that leads us to the same starting point in the end. It would be interesting that some band did a concept album from the "outside the wall" point of view, don't you think? "Subterranea" deals with this topic in a way, but its main focus is on perspective, rebellion and acceptance. Regards. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 07 2005 at 09:32
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All the same the wall was an absolute masterpiece,reservations are in order for the hit single 'Another brick in the wall' god i hate that track,totally destroys the mood of the album.
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