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Topic: Bringing my bass playing up a level
Posted By: rileydog22
Subject: Bringing my bass playing up a level
Date Posted: February 28 2008 at 20:22
I've been playing electric bass for a while year now, and with a teacher I worked my way through Note Reading Studies For Bass (some info about it http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/pages.html?cart=341321824926100978&target=smp_detail.html%26sku%3DMB.95297&s=pages-http%253A//www.google.com/search%253Fhl%253Den%2526q%253Dnote%252Breading%252Bstudies%252Bfor%252Bbass%2526btnG%253DGoogle%252BSearch&e=/sheetmusic/detail/MB.95297.html&t=&k=&r=wwws-err5 - here ), so now I can read (somewhat slowly) sixteenth notes in somewhat basic time signatures (rarely more than three sharps or flats).  My theory is weak, consisting of things I've picked up here and there about intervals and chord constructions, and my technique is poor. 

What should I do next? 


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Posted By: SpaceMonkey
Date Posted: February 28 2008 at 21:55

Just continue on man. I messed around with the bass for a while, the guitar being my main focus, and a few guys I'd play around with would be Stuart Hamm, or Billy Sheehan, or Victor Wooten. They're virtuousos at what they do so hopefully they can inspire something new within you to progress on with the bass



Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: February 29 2008 at 07:42
It depends on what you're trying to accomplish.  If the note reading method is working for you, keep at it and practice.
My personal feeling on it, however is that unless you plan on doing a lot of sight reading (like playing in a jazz ensemble), then reading music doesn't matter too much.  What really matters is the relationship between what you hear in your mind and what your fingers play.  Writing notes on a page is just one way of connecting them.  A good way to learn is to learn to play songs you like, that way you start to associate patterns with certain sounds.


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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: March 03 2008 at 01:59
In the Shredding war thread, you mentioned you play 30 minutes per night. To find out a little more I'd like to ask some questions.
When you say bad technique, do you mean just slow and slightly sloppy or bad to the point where it's inhibiting you from getting much better?
What bass do you use specifically? I know, you might be thinking why I'm asking that, but I tend to find certain bass guitars, can mask errors in your playing more (usually cheaper, and/or vintage designs), while the more modern design basses have a flatter fretboard, meaning a lower action and thus somewhat less stressful for the left hand.
As for 30 minutes per night, it simply wont be enough. I don't mean that in any offensive way, but if you really want to make some progress aim for at least 1 hour per night, and if your aiming to be a virtuoso, 2 hours absolute minimum a day, but upwards of 3 hours is really good.
The main reason why 30 mins simply won't be enough, you really should be spending the first 10 mins at the very minimum to warm up, but 20 minutes is probably a better minimum. If your currently not spending at least 10minutes to warm up, doing metronome exercises preferably, don't be surprised one day you may end up getting a crippling injury, as not warming up enough puts massive stress on the hands.
Before I get off track there, the problem with the 30 min practice, is that by the time you are done warming up, you only have 10-15 minutes to do anything else, be it learning a song, learning how to apply theory etc.
Best to find some time in your day for at least 1 hour, and spend the first 15 to 20 minutes warming up, doing progressively more difficult technical exercises, so at least you have 40 minutes left to really get into something, but as I would really suggest, aim for 90+ minutes if you really can.
 


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Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: March 04 2008 at 20:36
To be honest, I don't really have any routine at all, it's just messing around whenever I get the time.  I was wondering if anyone could recommend me a book of exercises or something.

I'm using a Fender Jazz Bass V, and it certainly isn't friendly to the fret hand.  My technique is pretty bad. 


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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: March 05 2008 at 12:02
Scales are always pretty good to learn, good finger excercises. If you have already learned them then speed em up with the metronome. Experiment with as many modes as you can also, they help for concentration.

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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: March 06 2008 at 19:40
Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

To be honest, I don't really have any routine at all, it's just messing around whenever I get the time.  I was wondering if anyone could recommend me a book of exercises or something.

I'm using a Fender Jazz Bass V, and it certainly isn't friendly to the fret hand.  My technique is pretty bad. 
 
Well that's a big part of the problem, not having a set routine. I tend to only have my first 20 minutes as a set routine, consisting of scales and modes being run all over the neck at various paces to warm up, as well as arpeggios. You wouldn't really need a book of exercises, I have made up of mine up, which goes some way to helping you shape your own individual sound. Things like chromatics,  major scales and modes to a metronome are perfect ways to warm up and to have as a routine.
As for the bass, I've never been a fan of the more vintage style instruments purely for that reason they aren't that easy on the fretting hand. A friend of mine has an Ibanez BTB405, which comes with active electronics (but the pickups are still passive I think), and can produce any tone from a rumbling low end, to a biting slap tone via the variable mid range active EQ. Also of note, is that it was way easier to play than any Fender/Fender style bass i've ever played. Other brands that have great playability are ESP and Spector basses, but really, it's up to you if your willing to sell your Fender, save up a little more and invest in something more versatile and comfortable.


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Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: March 06 2008 at 19:53
I have been eying a couple of Spectors, but I'm not sure I'll be able to get my hands on one.  

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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: March 06 2008 at 20:05
Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

I have been eying a couple of Spectors, but I'm not sure I'll be able to get my hands on one.  
 
Well the Chinese made range of Spectors are very very good value for money. The cheapest Spector basses are about the same price as a Fender Precision MIM (made in Mexico), so based on that, selling a Fender Jazz V Bass would easily have you enough money to get a Spector.


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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: March 30 2008 at 01:53
It's been 3 weeks, well I mean 3 weeks since the last post in this thread.
Did you get around to making a practice regime yet?


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Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: March 30 2008 at 12:03
I've been coming up a couple of exercises to do, but I have been having trouble coming up with consistent routines.  

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Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: March 30 2008 at 13:06
Best way to resolve that is find a friend with a drum kit or a guitar (or two friends, with one of each) and play together at least once a week. Start with one or two songs to work on - maybe some simple ones at first, making it more difficult as you go a along.

Making a song simple is also an option in this set up: focus on the root notes of the guitar chords, or the three notes that form the chord. Then start improvising on the scales after a few months.


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Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: April 03 2008 at 18:18
Baseball season starting means that my practicing will probably step up a bit; I like to watch a ballgame while playing scales and/or exercises I have memorized with a metronome. 


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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: April 11 2008 at 09:15
Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

I've been playing electric bass for a while year now, and with a teacher I worked my way through Note Reading Studies For Bass (some info about it http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/pages.html?cart=341321824926100978&target=smp_detail.html%26sku%3DMB.95297&s=pages-http%253A//www.google.com/search%253Fhl%253Den%2526q%253Dnote%252Breading%252Bstudies%252Bfor%252Bbass%2526btnG%253DGoogle%252BSearch&e=/sheetmusic/detail/MB.95297.html&t=&k=&r=wwws-err5 - here ), so now I can read (somewhat slowly) sixteenth notes in somewhat basic time signatures (rarely more than three sharps or flats).  My theory is weak, consisting of things I've picked up here and there about intervals and chord constructions, and my technique is poor. 

What should I do next? 
 
My daughter reached your level 18 months ago. Her bass teacher (Edwin Starr's UK tour bassist) , and after 5 or 6 more advanced lessons said there was little more he could do, but strongly recommended that she joined a band and got the discipline of playing with others. It took a bit of time to find a band,  with important school examinations intervening, but currently she plays and getting small gigswith a post punk band The Flaming Icecube.  Although the music is not her favourite sort, she tells me the practice and working with others makes it worthwhile.


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Posted By: ewblank
Date Posted: April 18 2008 at 10:15
Hey there,

I'm sure some of the more seasoned players on here may scoff at this, but I'm what you'd call an intermediate, non-pro player, without much free time to practice. I used to play with a band every 2 weeks, and it took me an hour to get warmed up after not touching my bass for 13 days.

What worked for me to just improve my technical skills was buying a drum machine, and playing along with beats that inspired me. Not necessarily playing scales, but playing a pattern that complimented the beat. 

I pretty quickly learned that my timing was not as good as I thought it was, but over time I improved.

I also found that a drum machine was useful in learning to play in different styles - I could just dial in a reggae beat or a salsa beat, or anything and just jam along with it.

All in all - I believe it made me a more well-rounded player than if I was just practicing scales to a metronome (which I could nor bear to do - the monotony drove me crazy).

Anyways - I'm not saying this will work for everyone, especially if you ultimate goal is to be the next Chris Squire or Geddy Lee - but it was an enjoyable practice method that worked for me.

Good luck and keep at it.

cheers,
ew


Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: April 21 2008 at 23:24
Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

Baseball season starting means that my practicing will probably step up a bit; I like to watch a ballgame while playing scales and/or exercises I have memorized with a metronome. 
 
Although it's not the case for everyone, but I've found it tends to be a lot better to actually consciously focus on what you're doing, rather than merely watching TV and playing. While I confess to have personally played in an 'unconscious' manner myself sometimes, I've found once you really train yourself to consciously focus on what you're doing, being able to get up and jam with other people and not having to always consciously think about what notes you hit, how you add nuances to them etc becomes more natural and controlled.


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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: April 23 2008 at 04:56
I have to agree with Dick - with the bass, jamming is probably more important than anything else. I much prefer "Unconscious" writing and playing in a live environment, and keep the conscious stuff for my practice routines, as I much prefer the raw excitement of the uncontrolled "bleeding edge" feel, and find that the most natural. Each to their own, of course.
 
While it's still very important to do technical excercises to keep your musical muscles well toned (sic), there are few forms of music that improvised bass can't improve over memorised parts - and the best way to improvise is with other musicians, rather than recordings (unless those recordings are specially made ones with no bass line).


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Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: April 30 2008 at 21:31
I have a buddy who plays drums that I jam with as often as I can, but he's a busy dude so it only happens every other weekend at best.  

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Posted By: TheRocinanteKid
Date Posted: May 08 2008 at 08:36
I personally found my bass playing hugely improved by learning one difficult song (A Farewell To Kings - Rush) I was quite amazed at the progress I made on that alone.


Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: May 16 2008 at 21:25
You got a progress report for us Jake? I'd like to hear how it's coming along for yaSmile

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