What is your Definition of Progressive Ro
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Topic: What is your Definition of Progressive Ro
Posted By: Xanadu
Subject: What is your Definition of Progressive Ro
Date Posted: March 27 2005 at 18:47
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Okay seriously now...you should never take me seriously. Anywho I always have been thinking about the meaning of progressive rock. But first a Prologue. My way into "progressive" music started with Symphony X and their "The Odyssey", yes im only been into this for about 2,5 years now, and I thought: "Oh my, what a great metal band". At the time I would put them as a mix between Metallica and Iron Maiden, isnt that funny?..Or is it? . So... I wanted more and the internet is such a good tool for information, and so I was suddenly glanzig at a review comparing SX and Dream Theater. Always interesting with new influence I thought! Imagine my surprise when I bought SFAM:M2 two weeks later! Indeed I could see the similarities, both were concepts album with an epic touch, but DT were/was (grammaticals!) way different in other aspects. (You must admit DT makes music with close bonds to Genesis wich I for some reasons define as the essence of Progressive Rock) BTW, I will not use the word Prog as it, in swedish, represent a more focused kind of music and kultur, nor does it have any similarities to Progressive Rock. Anywho, it was about here I came in touch with the "progressive rock" genre (From now on I just say "PR") and at first I was amazed at the diversity. Now for a question: Does for example Magma counts as rock? If not I should erase the rock to be politcal correct, but screw that. So with this brief history lecture of mine, I should be to able to express myself with clarity: At the beginning my opinion of "PR" were that each song should be atleast ten minutes long, infact it is merely a norm and not a necessity. Another opinion at same time were the build-ups, its progression therefore the name i thought, emerging in klimax (GYBE and sometimes DT does this among many others), also a norm and not a necessity. And so lately my finally thought, THE QUEST for originality, The PROGRESSION of music. I know there is many bands in here that from time to time are being accused as "copy-cats" . And yet in the end it is still a question of definition. (smaken är som baken) What is yours? (I know this seems irrelevant, and infact it is. Good music is actually good music and vice vers) ------------- "Oh, yes, sitting-the great leveler. From the mightiest pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?" |
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Posted By: Xanadu
Date Posted: March 27 2005 at 18:48
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My apologies if this isnt a new topic...
------------- "Oh, yes, sitting-the great leveler. From the mightiest pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?" |
Posted By: Zero the hero
Date Posted: March 27 2005 at 18:53
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Um Seems the first thing you ought to do is listern to some progressive rock! SX Dream theatre |
Posted By: Hierophant
Date Posted: March 27 2005 at 18:57
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There is just something about progressive rock... but no one can put a finger on it... some say its the intritcate layers of melodies some say its the complexity and odd time signatures some say its the constant "progressing" thoughout the song some say its the long length of the songs some say its the "depth" of the lyrics I really dont know... All's I know is I know it when i hear it.  |
Posted By: Zero the hero
Date Posted: March 27 2005 at 19:04
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Um Something that starts as something,goes into something else while doing something else but can go back to the first something while keeping up the 2nd & 3rd something.Yeh.Very intricate. |
Posted By: Xanadu
Date Posted: March 28 2005 at 07:15
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True, true... ------------- "Oh, yes, sitting-the great leveler. From the mightiest pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?" |
Hierophant wrote:Posted By: goose
Date Posted: March 28 2005 at 08:00
Look at his avatar though! Come on, kudos for that! |
Posted By: Xanadu
Date Posted: March 28 2005 at 08:24
Did you actually read my text? And what exactly do you mean by "progressive rock"? If you by any chance mean bands like Kc, Genesis, Jethro Tull, Yes, VDGG, ELP, Gentle Giant and so on, then I have already done that. So...Did you actually read my text? Just curuios... ------------- "Oh, yes, sitting-the great leveler. From the mightiest pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?" |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 28 2005 at 11:44
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Experimentatation , experimentation, experimentation... Summary: Key word is 'progressive.' I'm afraid I'm more old school than other people though, and even dictionaries are rewritten all the time. |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: March 28 2005 at 12:37
No blush needed, Hierophant - that's as good, and as concise a definition as you'll read here  ------------- 
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: March 28 2005 at 12:48
yeah! 
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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: March 28 2005 at 14:32
If you ever see Magma live you'll know for certain that they are rock. Cool avatar btw. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: Xanadu
Date Posted: March 28 2005 at 15:03
Thank you... Im not a huge fan of magma, just simply love MDK, so I dont know if they´re still aorund. And if they are sweden doesn´t seem like a place for them to do concerts. Doesn´t their music counts as Zeuhl? If Im not mistaken Art Zoyd and Ruins (Koenji Hyakkei?) counts as Zeuhl aswell... Anyway I believe you, rock i such a big field of different music...
------------- "Oh, yes, sitting-the great leveler. From the mightiest pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?" |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: March 28 2005 at 15:11
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Radiohead.
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: March 28 2005 at 15:15
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: March 28 2005 at 15:35
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Tripod? They're not prog... |
Posted By: Xanadu
Date Posted: March 29 2005 at 06:07
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Or are they...? ------------- "Oh, yes, sitting-the great leveler. From the mightiest pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?" |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: March 29 2005 at 06:35
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They were until they split - the only remaining member now records under the name 'monopod'; a fine upstanding citizen, if a little unstable occasionally. -------------
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: Keke
Date Posted: March 29 2005 at 07:14
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Progressive is just another word for ''Innovative''... it's not a music genre, although it is much easier to explain it to someone using the word as a genre, but in fact, it's just music that tries to make the best out of the instruments given, something that EXPLOITS rock, metal, jazz and folk to its fullest, trying to achieve a new sound. What we listen to is not prog... it's rock, metal, it's jazz... exploited to its fullest. Prog can't be described... it can only be heard. |
Posted By: Xanadu
Date Posted: March 29 2005 at 08:34
All thought i said it, I can agree with you when you say ..."it´s not a music genre". It´s to complex for that. But when you say so...do you mean it isn´t the way it (the music) sounds, it is rather the way it is made? ------------- "Oh, yes, sitting-the great leveler. From the mightiest pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?" |
Posted By: Keke
Date Posted: March 29 2005 at 08:43
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No, it's the way it sounds, but... can you describe it? It's easy to describe black metal saying ''Growling and barking and heavy guitars...'' it's easy to describe 60's psychedelic pop saying ''Trippy and happy ballads...'' But the differences between even the most iconic bands are SO great that not even sub-genres like Krautrock, Fusion, Space, Art, RIO and all of those can't describe it. Just look at the differences between ELP, Pink Floyd, King Crimson and Rush. Someone not interested in rock couldn't put them all in the same genre, yet there is something he could say, and that's ''They have a strange sound.'' And I guess that very, VERY, VERY, VERY roughly, that's what prog's about, having a new and strange sound.
I don't care how the music is made, it's the outcome that matters... |
Posted By: Xanadu
Date Posted: March 29 2005 at 09:10
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I understand completly what you mean, and I agree with most of what you´re sayin. My point with this thread seems to be proven, the defintion of progressive (though it is irrelevant) is vauge. ------------- "Oh, yes, sitting-the great leveler. From the mightiest pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?" |
Posted By: Swinton MCR
Date Posted: March 29 2005 at 11:39
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The progressive music on this site covers the whole spectrum - from very near Classical to very very metal..... So what is progressive music ??? ------------- Play me my song, here it comes again |
Posted By: sorcerer
Date Posted: March 29 2005 at 11:45
| anything that had a Roger Dean cover |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 29 2005 at 12:46
No one reads threads on here it's a know fact,they just go in bull nosed with their little bit.I listern to all those bands you mentioned,but saying all that if i see a post with anything modern in it
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Posted By: Xanadu
Date Posted: March 29 2005 at 17:08
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Hmm GYBE and Änglagård aren´t total crap but i must say, atleast i think though i weren´t around, the spirit of the 70s is long gone and will never rise again... ------------- "Oh, yes, sitting-the great leveler. From the mightiest pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?" |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: March 30 2005 at 02:43
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Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: March 30 2005 at 04:35
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I think you shouldn't just compare GYBE! to bands from the seventies. There may be a different spirit, but GYBE! are very experimental. |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: March 30 2005 at 06:56
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Certif1ed:
You bugger - you got in there before I could ; nice to know KE9's back with his usual objective, open minded views  -------------
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: mirco
Date Posted: March 30 2005 at 07:11
------------- Please forgive me for my crappy english! |
Posted By: Xanadu
Date Posted: March 30 2005 at 09:14
I didnt compare them, I just said they make good music...because they do. ------------- "Oh, yes, sitting-the great leveler. From the mightiest pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?" |
Posted By: Moribund
Date Posted: March 30 2005 at 09:31
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Funny, I was gonna post something similar after a young monitor engineer (who was into Radiohead/Nicleback/Moby/Primus etc etc) said he had no idea what prog was. That led to some soul-searching and we tried a list, but as always many eminent exceptions can be found for all of these. Some are positive, some are negative - I feel the term pomp-rock is extremely useful to separate that element of prog which is no longer "progressive" but relies on the sonic shorthands inherited from its earlier, leaner forebears. Still, here goes:-
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Posted By: Cygnus
Date Posted: July 18 2005 at 08:22
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MUSIC FROM THE MIND TO THE HEART MUSIC THAT DIFINES A UNIQUE SOUND MUSIC THAT STUNS NOT ONLY BY THE COMPLEX STRUCTURES BUT WITH INTELIGENT SONGWRITING AS WELL. MUSIC THAT SHOWS THAT THE PLAYERS ARE NOT JUST TOURISTS WITH THEIR INSTRUMENTS MUSIC WITH LYRICS THAT DESCRIBE THEMES FROM LOVE TO SOCIAL SITUATIONS MUSIC THAT SENDS ME AWAY WHEN I LISTEN TO |