Best Prog Rhythm Section
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Topic: Best Prog Rhythm Section
Posted By: Sinusoid
Subject: Best Prog Rhythm Section
Date Posted: February 01 2008 at 21:29
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There have been several polls and topics about bass players and drummers, but I'd thought I'd do something different. Which bassist/drummer combo is the best in the prog world?
My vote is for Lee/Peart although there are several others out there. For laughs, I'll mention the Butler/Ward rhythm section even though Black Sabbath isn't entirely "prog".
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Posted By: MusicalSalmacis
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 00:33
| Yeah Lee/Peart make up pretty fantastic rhythms... That's my pick as well |
Posted By: nightlamp
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 00:53
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I'd have to go with Bill Bruford/John Wetton, although honorable mentions would have to go to Bruford/Levin and Pierre Moerlen/Mike Howlett (Gong). |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 04:15
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Moerlen/Howlett, Vander/Top, Neumeier/Trepte (or Neumeier/Hattler) are the best rhythm sections out there
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Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 04:22
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Justin Chancellor/ Danny Carey...Tool Oh, hell, you could throw in Adam Jones as well, the whole band is a rhythm section. |
Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 07:37
| Bruford and Squire were tight as a ducks........ |
Posted By: Forgotten Son
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 09:59
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Oliver and Alex Holzworth (Sieges Even) Doug Ferguson and Andy Ward (Camel) Peter Trewavas and Ian Mosley (Marillion) |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 10:05
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Several, but fiirst someting, IMO a rhyth section doesn't has to be formed by two virtuosos, look at Myung - Portnoy, both are virtuoso player, but unless you have 4 legs and howl at nights, you can barely listen Myung, to the point that Portnoy once said he had to follow Petrucci (according to info provided in this forum), a rhythm section has to work perfectly together.
Non Prog: John Entwistle - Keith Moon I admit Bruford & Squire are both great in their instruments and far morecomplete than Rutrherford and Collins for example, but never totally lliked their interplay. Iván
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 10:19
Regardless of what people say in forums ... Dream Theater is in the firm hand of Portnoy and Petrucci (in that order), and if they had had any problems with Myung I guess they would have gotten another bass player. Having said that: I agree that Myung rarely sticks out in DT songs as far as "basic" rhythm patterns are concerned. But his solo spots and fill-ins are one of the vital ingredients of DT. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 10:25
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Besides the obvious choice of Lee/Peart (I am a Rush fan after all), I'd mention anything with Bruford on drums - therefore, Bruford/Squire, Bruford/Wetton, and Bruford/Levin. However, there are a lot of great rhythm sections in less high-profile bands - for instance, Richard Sinclair/Pip Pyle in Hatfield and the North, or Pyle/John Greaves in National Health. And what about Wyatt/Hopper in Soft Machine? As to prog-related bands, I can't help mention the very underrated duo of Ian Paice and Roger Glover in Deep Purple, and of course Moon/Entwistle, which Ivan just mentioned. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 10:25
That's exactly my point Mike, both are incredible musicians, but you can't deny Myung is barely audible except in his solos.
His solos are outstanding, but his interplay with Portnoy is not good (IMO) because if you can't listen a part of the rhythm section, well it's not working as a rhythm section.
BTW: The only info oprovided by the forum is what Portnoy said, the fact that Myung can't be listened is more than evident for anybody.
If what Portnoy said is true and the drummer has to follow the guitar player because he can't listen the bass player...well, the rhythm section is not working as a rhythm section.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 10:50
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^ well, as a rule of thumb I'd say that in metal bands the bass lines tend to follow the guitar more than in general rock bands. Of course there are many exceptions (which I'm thankful for), it's just that often in metal the guitar riff is the center of the song.
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 11:14
When I saw the title of the thread, I instantly thought of Hope and Ehart, Ivan. I always thought Reingold and Zoltan did a great job in the short time they had together with The Flower Kings and The Tangent. E ------------- 
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Posted By: paolo.beenees
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 11:17
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Bruford/Squire (Yes)
Leibezeit/Czukay (Can)
Peart/Lee (Rush)
Favia/Callero (Osage Tribe)
Wolfbrandt/Hattler (Kraan)
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 11:24
Peter Wolbrandt is the guitar player of Kraan; I suppose you meant Jan Fride, the drummer ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: paolo.beenees
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 11:25
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^Wasn't Jan Fride Wolfbrandt Peter's brother? -------------
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 12:38
Then, you must also agree that Myung - Portnoy is not working as a rhythm section, by definition, a rhythm section works if the drums follow the base to create a rhytmic structure, if the drummer follows theguitar, then the rhythm section is formed by guitar - bass.
The prime function of the bass and drums is the rhythm.
This doesn't mean they are bad, as a fact I believe Myung is by far one of the most talented bass players as Portnoy in the drums, but Myung - Portnoy IMO is not a solid rhythm section, because they are not working like that.
Iván
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 13:11
I must admit this is the first time I see him referred to as Jan Fride Wolbrandt; on the albums his name is always given as Jan Fride only ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: paolo.beenees
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 13:30
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Honestly, I couldn't remember their names, but I'm not at home, so I couldn't consult the line-up on my copies of their albums, and I consulted the German version of Wikipedia, where I discovered this "Verwandtschaft" -------------
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 13:45
well, whatever his name is, it is a good choice. excellent rhythm section indeed. and it is a shame that there are about a dozen bass polls out, but none of them lists Hattler. Kraan simply is not known well enough; anyone who has ever heard them would definitely include Hattler in a bass poll ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 18:12
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Earlier today I was sitting down just staring at my hard-drive defragging while I listened to my mp3 player choosing albums at random. First, it served up "Close to the Edge" which prompted me to think, "Greatest rhythm section ever!" and then came "Wurdah Itah", and I thought the same thing, and finally it delivered Meshuggah's "Nothing", and it occurred to me that all good bands are based on good rhythm sections. ;P edit: *slightly worried that Harmonium fans will somehow infer offense* ;P ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: sean
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 22:56
| How about Guy Evans and Hugh Banton? |
Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 23:04
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The best rythm section is Don Caballero, and the whole band is the rythm section. ------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
Posted By: Sckxyss
Date Posted: February 03 2008 at 03:01
| As others have mentioned, Vander/Top (Magma), Bruford/Wetton (KC) and Carey/Chancellor (tool) come to mind. |
Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: February 03 2008 at 15:54
ah you are an educated man sean  i commend your appreciation of VdGG.Graeme Murray and Colin Prazer from Pallas. One of the tightest rhythm sections i've ever heard. i also think that a non-prog drummer should come to light, and since this is a rhythm thread i think he's appropriate to the conversation. http://youtube.com/watch?v=Kve7o5wcev4 - http://youtube.com/watch?v=Kve7o5wcev4 now that guy's tight if i ever saw it! |
Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: February 03 2008 at 18:38
| Possibly Laird and Cobham of The Mahavishnu Orchestra for me. More memorable than any of the big prog bands sections for me. Otherwise, Lake and Palmer would be a possibility if they acted at all like a rhythm section, and Lee + Peart is also a great choice. |
Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: February 03 2008 at 18:40
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Chris Squire, Bill Bruford.
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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: February 03 2008 at 20:52
Everybody forgets that Muir was a part of that KC rhythm section at it's best.
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Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: February 03 2008 at 21:18
Super agreed! -------------
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Posted By: Imadofus
Date Posted: February 03 2008 at 23:11
What about Bruford/Levin/Mastelotto/Gunn in King Crimson's Double Trio? 
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Posted By: Sckxyss
Date Posted: February 04 2008 at 02:53
I always thought the rhythm section was best on Red, so I didn't mention Muir
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Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: February 04 2008 at 09:10
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Squire/Bruford, Moerlen/Howlett, and i just HAVE to mention Ward/Butler of Black Sabbath.
Exspecially Geezer Butler's really bluesy basslines!
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: February 04 2008 at 09:17
 add to that:
Daniel Denis/Guy Segers, Christian Vander/Jannik Top, Scott Thunes/Chad Wackerman, Trevor Dunn/Danny Heifetz and Gary Willis/Kirk Convington.
There's many more though! ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: February 04 2008 at 21:11
Shame on you!
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Posted By: Oceansizzle
Date Posted: February 04 2008 at 21:31
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some of my personal favorites not mentioned are: Roulette & Campanella - Dredg (it really makes the band) Ellis/Hodson & Heron - Oceansize (mostly the drummer Heron though, he's incredible. He makes 13/8 and 11/8 sound so easy...) |
Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: February 07 2008 at 14:45
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I'll just name my favs as a bass player.
Charlie Watts & Bill Wyman
Mick Fleetwood & John Mcvie
Les Claypool & Brain
John Paul Jones & John Bonham!!!!
Flea & Chad Smith
Jon Theodore & Juan Alderete
Chris Squire & Bill Bruford
Geddy Lee & Neil Pert
Tommy Shannon & Chris Layton
Jimmy Cob & Paul Chambers ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow"> 
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