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Topic: Most overrated prog band
Posted By: Hammar
Subject: Most overrated prog band
Date Posted: April 01 2004 at 14:47
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As a contradiction to the "most underrated..." thread, I would like to know your opinion about this. In addition I would like comments on my suggestion. I guess I'll blow up a fire here... In my opinion Magma is the most overrated progband. I do know why, but I'll comment on that later. I like many french progbands and I'm far into jazz/rock, art-rock, avant-rock (or wherever you will place this band I don't know if this topic has been covered before, but since there are a few new members on this forum and it's 1st of April.....
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), but Magma? Nope!
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Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: April 01 2004 at 15:15
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the list can be long...but I'm just going to attack what is commonly accepted...so if I except the pseudo metal prog scene it will be a majority of 80s prog bands led by horrible FM bands like Asia or Saga...I also want to add Pink Floyd...this group has send his soul to the business devil...it's just my opinion of things, nothing unniversal...but don't be manipulated and blinded by the mass media. ------------- 
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Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: April 01 2004 at 15:18
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Ho, yes I forgot to mention Journey (if it is considered as prog)...this commercial bands only know to make hits musically poor (only what they did at their very beginning deserves attention) -------------
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Posted By: Hammar
Date Posted: April 01 2004 at 15:29
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Ok, bands like Asia and Journey....they are really bad! But, in my narrow mind, since their music is so terrible, and unlike Magma, I don't consider them as prog (I know they are!). hmm, makes sence... |
Posted By: Glass-Prison
Date Posted: April 01 2004 at 17:35
| I'm not so sure about their classification. they're either talented rock groups or uninspired prog bands. It makes sense to call them prog (albeit deplorable bands, they do show some indications of prog). Magma is an interesting band. I've only heard one of their songs, (From this site), and they seem to me like kraut rock with a bit of classical influence. they have an interesting sound that should definitely classified as prog. |
Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: April 01 2004 at 17:51
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Sorry, Marillion is over-rated. The Fish era was a Genesis clone band and Hogarth is a hair metal 80's style vocalist singing pumped up pop songs. Sorry. I love their instrumental "sound" but vocally, I think Tauhd will support me in this, MOST neo-Prog is meagor. |
MEAGOR!!!! Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: April 01 2004 at 18:03
| Rush is completely overated who, in my opinion doesn't even fit into the category of prog (and I don't want to start up the old what is/what isn't prog argument again either!). Also I could never figure out what all the hype is/was about early Genesis, sure I bought the albums but for me there were tons and tons of other bands which were much more interesting back in the seventies. |
Posted By: arqwave
Date Posted: April 01 2004 at 18:50
| i have to say ASIA and lately YES, sorry, the Yes that i started to hear and the one that is playing today is totally different |
Posted By: Glass-Prison
Date Posted: April 01 2004 at 18:55
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I think it's quite obvious that in the 80s, Rush departed from their progressive roots. if you are referring to anything from permanent waves on, you might have a valid point; but still, there is no way in hell you are going to classify La Villa Strangiato and other 70s Rush tunes as non-prog. (with the exception of their debut, of course. |
Vibrationbaby wrote:Posted By: Gaston
Date Posted: April 01 2004 at 22:52
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Pre 80s - Emerson, Lake and Palmer. 90% pretension, 10% talent 80s and on - Yes. Overwhelmingly. They sucked in the 80s yet somehow were leading the "revolution" Thanks guys. Owner of a I love Yes now, but they've managed to salvage their careers because of Open your Eyes and The Ladder (and the symphonic) Gaston -------------  
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, more like.Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: April 02 2004 at 03:50
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I think that the only prog scene which can't receive negative critics is Krautrock...True music made by musicians who are currently out of the music business system! -------------
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Posted By: progchain
Date Posted: April 02 2004 at 06:14
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Old School: E.L.P. New School: Pallas Italian School: Consorzio Acqua Potabile |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: April 02 2004 at 07:43
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This thread seems destined (if not designed) to offend others. ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Taste in music (as with food, or even love) is an individual thing. Some people love opera, some country, others punk. That doesn't make the popularity of a band/artform you don't enjoy "hype." Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: April 02 2004 at 07:54
Which is why I've not taken part ------------- 
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: April 02 2004 at 08:17
A wise man, that Jim Garten! ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Stormcrow
Date Posted: April 02 2004 at 08:37
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Yeah, this thread is highly over rated. |
Posted By: dude
Date Posted: April 02 2004 at 09:24
AMEN(CORNER)!! ...i do not think this thread was designed to offend..the nature of many queastions on this site neccesitates a yay or nay response and therefore a potential to offend...but still there is a difference between healthy discussion and confrontational falsification(as is neccessary in the Scientific method)...which is not really needed on a site such as this......so lets just stick to being silly and liking prog.....and putting up with twats like me ..stay safe freinds!!!
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Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: April 02 2004 at 10:04
Well..in fact It can be defended -------------
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: April 02 2004 at 11:24
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: April 02 2004 at 11:25
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Posted By: Glass-Prison
Date Posted: April 02 2004 at 12:03
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I happen to have heard some pretty negative things about KrautRock However, they were said by a bunch of punk-loving, real-music-hating teenagers who were under the opinion that greatness is directly related by how popular a band is. That reminds me, subjectivity offends me more than anything else. |
Posted By: Stormcrow
Date Posted: April 02 2004 at 12:15
The statement that ELP was 10% talent can be defended????? OK, be my guest. Please do! Tell me just in which way the "Trilogy" album is "90% pretension". I can't wait! |
Posted By: Glass-Prison
Date Posted: April 02 2004 at 12:26
| perhaps they simply have no taste for the cool jazz/keyboard sounds of the band |
Posted By: Stormcrow
Date Posted: April 02 2004 at 13:09
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No, he could have said: "I don't personally care for the band." And I would have been perfectly fine with that. But he not only made a specific disparaging statement, he claimed the ability to prove that statement. Now it's time to see his proof. |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: April 02 2004 at 13:21
| I'm gettin' out of this thread while the gettin' is good. |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: April 02 2004 at 14:27
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Saga has a wonderful musicianship, Michael Sadler having one of the more beautiful voice in the prog industry. All the albums they released from 1978 to 1985 is great. Moreover the drummer is truly great. I don't know why you classify Saga and Asia in the same category, Saga are so much better. Every prog lover knows and enjoys Saga's earlier works (so the question is : do you like prog in general or are you just a lover of the experimental side of prog?). About Pink Floyd, they created a unique atmosphere and every album they released is different from the previous, and as an experimental music afficionado, you should like "Ummagumma" the best example of experimental music. If you come back to the seventies you will notice that every great prog band at that time (Genesis, King Crimson, Yes, Jethro Tull, ELP...) recorded albums that often occupied the first places in the charts, and if experimental works are not well selling that's no wonder. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 02 2004 at 15:28
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ELP overated?? |
Posted By: benny bouncer
Date Posted: April 02 2004 at 15:41
Hey Rich...exactly!!!! ELP has to be the best band that i have ever heard.....There is sooo much talent in that band...Carl Palmer is the best drummer in the world "the drummers drummer" and Kieth Emerson has to be the most outstanding keyboard players of all times....and they never got credit for it....especially from the likes of John Peel  ELP was a band that never escaped bad media attention, and they deserved a lot more than that |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 02 2004 at 15:50
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: April 02 2004 at 16:30
------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: QPR Steve
Date Posted: April 02 2004 at 19:09
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Genesis - how they were ever compared with Gentle Giant is beyond me. Plus Yes - I could never stand the vocals - even though the guy is supposed to be a QPR fan lol! ------------- Steve |
Posted By: Hammar
Date Posted: April 03 2004 at 09:31
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I'm not sure if my intension of this thread went through, probably not. Anyway, it was defenitely not to offend anyone. Discussing whether ELP is an overrated band or not might be waste of time since there are a wide range of references in this forum and personal taste will lead our arguments (objective v subjective, discussed in another thread..). However, I find it interesting to see how one reacts to certain statements. I see that my introduction was too wide (or narrow, depends on how you see it) and in combination with insufficient language skills.... When that said, in my case, I was really disappointed with Magma when I first heard them, basically because my expectations were so different from the music itself. Expectations build on how they were rated and described. |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: April 04 2004 at 15:04
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One of the most overrated band in this forum : SOFT MACHINE. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Glass-Prison
Date Posted: April 04 2004 at 16:12
Let me put things in perspective... Most evil thing: Hitler 2nd:child molesters 3rd: osama, saddam, bush, and other terrorists 4th: subjectivity 5th: Communism 6th: static electricity 7th: organized religion 8th: Rap 9th: Spam 10th:Genocide there, that's roughly the 10 evilest things ever |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: April 05 2004 at 01:43
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Good one! ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: April 05 2004 at 01:52
"What hymn should we sing next?" "I don't know! Where are the hymnbooks, anyway?" "Has anyone seen the collection plate?" "Where is that organist? Didn't you tell him there'd be church today?" "Gosh, it's cold in here! Has anyone paid the heating bill lately?" And so on.... Hyuk! ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: April 05 2004 at 03:20
You forgot trad jazz  - whoever thought that the combination of a banjo, tuba, trombone etc played by octagenarian grave dodgers, all wearing straw hats could be construed in any serious way as music, must be in the possession of the most twisted, maniacal and perverse mind, since Peter Rideout tried to separate Canada from mainland America with a pair of blunt scissors, with the express intention of rowing the entire landmass to England, to beg forgiveness for being Canadian and to request that her Majesty takes him back as a true Englishman (fat chance, colonial boy)-------------
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Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: April 05 2004 at 04:22
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Just a particular opinion of things as we all have about which band is overrated compared to an an other. I personnaly think that Soft machine is bigger than ELP -------------
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Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: April 05 2004 at 04:30
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...you are not enterily wrong. It's true that I prefer by far the most experimental side of prog music...but I began to listen to prog with the same bands as you listen to...and I must recognize that there are great stuffs, but please not the common Asia... -------------
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Posted By: Stormcrow
Date Posted: April 05 2004 at 04:44
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PROOF, Philippe! We want to see the PROOF! Enquiring minds want to know! |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: April 05 2004 at 06:37
Steeling someone's beer or NACHO'S is quite evil too! |
Posted By: Gaston
Date Posted: April 05 2004 at 07:12
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Alright. 90% was a little harsh. Let's go with 84.2%
That 10% talent is about 9.99% more than your typical radio music band. It was merely my opinion. And it's basically Emerson. He is good, but he, despite what he thinks, is not Mozart incarnate. Now, Wakeman however... -------------
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Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: April 05 2004 at 07:18
Ok...but ask me your question, and I will see next...I thought it was clear! -------------
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: April 05 2004 at 15:25
OK, ASIA is ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
), Happy The Man, the first Gong album (yes, Camemebert Electrique is a canterbury album and not a space-rock one
). I once owned the two Hatfield records but despite some good moments, I must admit that it is no more something that grabs me. I have the same feeling about the post-Allen Soft Machine : too much improvisations and less written music. But you don't have to share my views on these records and I respect your tastes.Posted By: Aaron
Date Posted: April 08 2004 at 18:29
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Rush
Saga Genesis Marillion Aaron |
Posted By: raggy
Date Posted: April 09 2004 at 17:03
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Most neoprog bands sucked in the 80s, as did most old school prog bands as they desperately tried to appeal to the pop crouds. Marrillion, attempting to fill the void left by the demise of a decent Genesis with pseudoprofound quasipomp, found a gap in the market in the form of thousands of middle class spotty faced, pretentious, dungen and dragon playing, Tolkien reading, girlfriendless teenaged boys. I know, I was there, and as my mates all ran off to buy the latest Twelthe Night/Pallas/Pendragon/Marrillion c**p I was off to stonehenge to see Roy Harper, the Enid and Hawkwind play in the Summer Solstice. ELP were occasionally good but mostly not! Never enjoyed the vocals. Anything good they ever did was cancelled out by the trully awfull Love Beach. What the hell was that about?? Asia, like Kansas, Journey etc, are (fake)American stadium pop. Roger Walters is probably THE most overrated progger, not least of all by himself. His ego is bigger than Fish's arse. (God I'm enjoying this now.... maybe I should stop before I offend someone. oops, too late.........) ------------- Now is tomorrow afternoon |
Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: April 09 2004 at 17:06
DOH!
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Posted By: Stormcrow
Date Posted: April 09 2004 at 18:14
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OH? You just went past the Point Of Know Return there! |
Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: April 09 2004 at 18:23
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Kansas rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Posted By: raggy
Date Posted: April 09 2004 at 18:40
Sorry SC, I know they had their moments, and probably don't deserve being mentioned in the same breath as Asia (who, to my knowledge have NEVER ONCE had their moments). Nevertheless, there's still a faint odour of Toto/REO Speedwagon/Foriegner lingering around most of their later stuff, becoming ever stronger as time went by. ------------- Now is tomorrow afternoon |
Posted By: Stormcrow
Date Posted: April 09 2004 at 18:50
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And from a strictly (non-prog) rock standpoint, what was so wrong with REO SPEEDWAGON? I wouldn't argue for a second that KANSAS didn't lose a lot of steam after "Monolith". And I'll live just fine if I never hear "Dust In The Wind" again. But to lump their entire catalog into "arena rock" or "stadium pop" is neither fair nor correct. |
Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: April 09 2004 at 19:02
"Riding the StormCrow Out", Yeah. REO had their moment as a very good rock and roll outfit, before "Tuna Piano, Tuna Fish." One of the best Live rock bands around. Fame has it's way of |
ing bands up. They change direction and TRY to write HITS, ughPosted By: Stormcrow
Date Posted: April 09 2004 at 19:09
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 09 2004 at 19:34
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The first 2 Asia albums were brilliant,although not especially 'proggy', but then Howe left and it went downhill. I used to like Kansas but I've found over the years that their music hasn't worn well.They were never really in the same league as ELP, Yes or Genesis.'Death Of Mother Nature Suite' was their high point.Later on the mess of a track with the almost ironic title of 'Magnum Opus' typifies just how poor an excuse for a progressive rock band they became.They then drifted into the safe territory of AOR but became 'second division' at that as well. Bands like Boston and Toto were doing it a lot better.
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: April 09 2004 at 22:43
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Ha ha! Argue argue! What a topic! ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 10 2004 at 04:23
| I did suggest getting rid of it but was ignored.I think we have all had our fill of negativity towards prog rock and the bands we love.We all have our favourites and our least favorites in the genre.There's no point in dredging up ill feeling which is all this topic can do. |
Posted By: raggy
Date Posted: April 10 2004 at 05:46
I can't say that I agree about the first two Asia albums, but the rest of your post is spot on. I think it's a transAtlantic thing. I'm a Brit but it wasn't untill I moved to Amsterdam 14 yrs ago that I realised just how British some bands sound when thrown into sharp cultural relief. Likewise, American ears will perceive Kansas as being in the same league as Yes/Genesis, whilst to British ears they sound like a brave attempt to sound like their mentors, but unable to shake their stadium pop feel. Not all American prog is like this, but it should be remembered that Billy Idol is still considered Punk in the states, whilst it is clear to us Brits that he swapped his punk status for stadium pop celeb the moment his Jumbo Jet left the tarmac at Heathrow. The last thing I want to do is start a Limey/Yank argument that could damage the "special relationship between our two great nations". Many bands have destroyed themselves by deliberately (shamelessly) trying to appeal to American audiences and failing (It Bites', "Eat Me In St. Louis") (pressure from label bosses). On the other hand Utopia's debut prooves that Americans can make excellent prog and still sound essentially American. Anyway, after what happened to most of the Britprog bands' musical direction in the 80s, I'm not about to start a "we're better than you" slanging match. Kansas slipped into the corny AOR quagmire many years ago, but Asia chose it as their starting point. As a fan of Weather Report, Return to Forever and other such JazzFusion I must say thats what our transatlantic cousins are REALLY good at! Hourses for courses I reckon. ------------- Now is tomorrow afternoon |
Posted By: benny bouncer
Date Posted: April 10 2004 at 15:36
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Love beach is just different, i like it personally, its IN The Hot Seat which marked the fall of ELP....They break up leaving us with this????? 30 years of top quality music and then this! it wasn't fair |
Posted By: Stormcrow
Date Posted: April 10 2004 at 15:54
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Longer term members may remember that I asked that question about the occasional weird narrow-mindedness concerning KANSAS. However I never for a moment, ever dreamed that EMERSON, LAKE AND PALMER would get the same treatment from supposed prog fans! Go figure |
Posted By: Glass-Prison
Date Posted: April 10 2004 at 17:22
Just to clear some things up, the question was why you think ELP is overrated. |
Posted By: Stormcrow
Date Posted: April 10 2004 at 17:27
90% pretention over 10% talent to be exact. And remember, he has proof! |
Posted By: benny bouncer
Date Posted: April 11 2004 at 16:41
| 10 % talent......ELP.........the band that can juggle instruments around whilst riding bikes with safes over their heads and still create fantastic music....Carl palmer who drums so fast and precise that you can't see his drum sticks but only hear them, the guy who played in Japan in a blackout and could still be heard 2 miles down the road minus mikes? Keith Emerson, the man who is constantly voted best keyboard player by various magazines, the man who plays keyboards so fast he makes the keys burn......sorry i'm very passionate about ELP....im waiting for someone to dis YES and ELP then we will have an argument |
Posted By: raggy
Date Posted: April 11 2004 at 16:51
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Yes (pre 90125) were prog gods! ELP were (pre Love Beach) maybe 100% talent, and that's the trouble. Technical perfection (and a need to show it off) sometimes (not always but often) got in the way of the emotional expression. (my veiw) ------------- Now is tomorrow afternoon |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 11 2004 at 17:20
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''If you've got it flaunt it'' I say. The snipes at ELP were always about Jealousy IMO. |
Posted By: Glass-Prison
Date Posted: April 11 2004 at 20:57
What can I say? arpeggios turn me on more than french maids! |
Posted By: Gaston
Date Posted: April 12 2004 at 00:43
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Wow. Look at that. I am the harbinger of Chaos. Mwuahahahahahaha! Anyways, Carl Palmer screws up all the time. That's his vein, he's the rawest, baddest mutha in the biz. But you can't deny his sloppiness. Even in the Hoedown recording there is an obvious speedup change and then Keith sets him straight. Sorry, but ELP is overated and Keith thought he was way better than he really is. Wakeman, Chick, Jan Hammer and Josef Zawinul all smoke him easily. Just my opinion, of course. ELP is overated. That's what the thread was about. -------------
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 12 2004 at 02:53
With all due respect that is complete bollux.
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Posted By: Gaston
Date Posted: April 12 2004 at 06:21
Why Rich? You must have something to back that up with. -------------
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Posted By: Glass-Prison
Date Posted: April 12 2004 at 08:20
He just did! anyway, I'm glad someone decided to justify their position... after all, we are only on the fourth page!
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Posted By: raggy
Date Posted: April 12 2004 at 09:21
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KEITH EMERSON ALWAYS HAD CRAPPY HAIR!!!! SO THERE!!! ------------- Now is tomorrow afternoon |
Posted By: raggy
Date Posted: April 12 2004 at 09:35
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ELP are Jim Davidson's (English rightwing sexist racist toryboy so-called comedian) favourite band. Plus he's all buddy-buddy with fellow Toryboy Wakeman, who's a bit of a prick himself since he found Jesus and started preaching via the BBC. (rock & roll, man..) (intentionally provocative....those of a placatory nature are invited to ignore this post.) ------------- Now is tomorrow afternoon |
Posted By: Glass-Prison
Date Posted: April 12 2004 at 10:31
Man, there is way too much racism and sexism in right wing politics(so much for the defenders of capitalism, they hardly know what it is!) Plus, religion seems to have infected many of them, and tainted their previously noble ideals. The same thing has happened with a lot of prog bands, namely Yes' Tales, which is slobbering with mysticism and other religious nonsense. Oh, and Emerson had amazing hair, what are you talking about? are you one of those buzz cut lovin guys? |
Posted By: Stormcrow
Date Posted: April 12 2004 at 12:02
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I myself, am naturally curly. |
Posted By: raggy
Date Posted: April 12 2004 at 12:15
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I got Gillan hair. V Long and dark and NO naf Emerson fringe. ------------- Now is tomorrow afternoon |
Posted By: Hammar
Date Posted: April 12 2004 at 12:28
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I see! You're the last member of ELPS - Emerson, Lake, Pretty and Stormcrow Interesting opinions about ELP in here! A few strange arguments, though, about why they should be overrated. Their look..? However, when listening to great (!!!) albums like Tarkus, ELP and Brain Salad Surgery I really don't understand how progholes can say they are overrated. I respect your opinions, for sure, I just find it....yes, interesting. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 13 2004 at 16:42
Greg Lake did pretty well as a bass player especially as he had to 'deal' with Palmer's frenetic style on the drums.Lake at times held the band together in live performances especially considering that Emerson and Palmer were not the most 'grounded' of musicians and could easily get carried away at times.Ok I do know that's an understatement!
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: April 13 2004 at 18:43
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I concurr. I think Bruford also held King Crimson together during improvs which started to get a bit shaky from all the incarnations of KC he participated in. I don't know if you have Thrakattak but it's very evident on this album. |
Posted By: The Analog Kid
Date Posted: April 14 2004 at 10:57
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IMO, Marillion is very over-rated. I have heard a lot of their stuff and nothing really impressed me.
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Posted By: diddy
Date Posted: April 14 2004 at 10:58
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Yes (not the band ------------- If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear... George Orwell |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 14 2004 at 16:19
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Marillion have made 2 excellent albums 'Misplaced Childhood' and 'Season's End'.I don't really care much about the rest of their catologue including 'Brave' which fans often rave about. Rush are virtually untouchable IMO.So many great albums and they have remained consistently brilliant over the years with no sign of flagging.
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Posted By: Stormcrow
Date Posted: April 14 2004 at 16:29
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I actually kinda understand why some people just can't stand Rush. There have been times when Geddy sings more like an air raid siren than like Greg Lake or Ian Anderson and some people (like my semi-comatose brother [I needn't worry as he'd rather chew glass than read about prog rock Of course, they're WRONG! |
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: April 14 2004 at 17:47
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Think of how Rush would sound like with a powerhouse vocalist such as Ian Gillan, Bruce Dickinson or maybe a female vocalist. I liked Time Stand Still when the girl did the chorus. |
Posted By: Glass-Prison
Date Posted: April 14 2004 at 18:24
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A female vocalist? why bother? we already have Geddy Lee! (Who has shown us his banshee wail from the beginning) No offense to Gedd, I still think he's amazing |
Posted By: Gaston
Date Posted: April 14 2004 at 20:12
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Dude, Geddy sings and plays awesome bass at the same time. Greg Lake doesn't play the kind of bass that Geddy does and still sings. Sorry, still on my ELP overatedness bias I guess. -------------
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 15 2004 at 02:31
Greg Lake as a bassist was never in the same league as Geddy Lee but as a singer he had a wider vocal range.Also Greg played all the guitars in ELP (and the Mellotron on one or two occasions!) as well as producing the albums.
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Posted By: oravamangusti
Date Posted: April 16 2004 at 09:40
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i think that yes is overrated this is just my oppinion and starship trooper is overrated the song i mean ------------- Everyone can have their own oppinion...if...they agree with me. 
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: April 16 2004 at 13:11
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This is what an American critic from "The Cash Box" said about ELP after they played their American debut concert at Filmore East in NYC in May 1971: "Emerson, Lake & Palmer have no faults." As for the Geddy Lee vs Greg Lake debate I'll go along with Richardh. Lake also had passion and feeling while Geddy's banshee wailing had none of these qualities. As I suggested, Rush would have sounded a lot better with a real vocalist. |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: April 16 2004 at 15:27
I entirely agree with you, vibe. That's why I prefer Rush's albums recorded in the eighties to the previous ones. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Hammar
Date Posted: April 17 2004 at 06:44
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Wow! And why is that?? Why exactly Starship Trooper? It's one of the best tracks on Yes album! A track that's amazing played live...What music do you like?
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: April 17 2004 at 10:37
| Starship Trooper is one of the best Yes songs period. They even played this song live on the 90125 tour! |
Posted By: Gaston
Date Posted: April 17 2004 at 14:37
Lake has a wider vocal range than Geddy? Now I've heard everything. -------------
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Posted By: benny bouncer
Date Posted: April 17 2004 at 16:34
| When Greg was younger and his throat wasn't that affected by the cigarettes, his range was brilliant, and he had an excellent voice......no he has a deeper voice but its still excellent!!! |
Posted By: semismart
Date Posted: April 17 2004 at 21:38
This is yet another boring thread. Seems like we keep rehashing the S.O.S(same ole sh*t) ------------- <i>Sports cars</i>, helping ugly men get sex since 1954. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 18 2004 at 06:25
I did say 'had'.Nowadays Lake is stuck with a baritone as Benny pointed out through smoking 30 or 40 cigs a day over a period of years.I still like his voice though!
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