Outrageous prog views
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Topic: Outrageous prog views
Posted By: cynthiasmallet
Subject: Outrageous prog views
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 15:48
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OK, there's a lot of varied views here on the prog archives, but in this topic I really want to get things going. I want to here your outrageous prog rock views. I mean views that are so completely bizarre and near impossible sympathise with about the most legendary prog music. I'll get the ball rolling.
The Wall is better than Dark Side of The Moon, full stop. Close to The Edge is no where near Yes' best album. As Thick as a Brick is poor. Any one care to vent their progressive views?   ------------- Would you like to watch TV, or get between the sheets, or contemplate the silent freeway, would you like something to eat? |
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Posted By: puma
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 15:53
| My outrageous prog view is that none of these bands on this site sound a bit alike to me, and that progressive rock is a made up genre to make easier the task of collecting these strange and varied bands |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 15:56
I can definitely support your second statement. The best Yes album is "Relayer". -------------  BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
cynthiasmallet wrote:Posted By: Prince_Rupert
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 16:06
| the best yes album is Tales from Topographic Oceans. . . everyone know that! |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 16:07
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Yes arent even among progs top tier. Power metal based prog can be very good and not even slightly cheesy. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 16:13
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Jethro Tull is the most overrated band on this site and don't even strike me as progressive in the least. Oh look, it's hard rock with folk influences and a flute! ZOMG progressive!!!11! Dream Theater is not fully progressive metal, more like metal with progressive influences/moments in my book. Plus I can't stand to listen to them in the first place... Progressive rock existed in the late sixties and early to mid-seventies, but quickly died out and has not returned in its true form since. I like most of the retro bands, but "modern prog" bands today don't sound like they're doing anything new, anything actually progressive. Avant-garde music is the new prog as it's actually progressing and sounding new/revolutionary to me. And speaking of avant-garde, if it doesn't have any melody or cohesiveness, I can't stand it. Seems like a good number of avant-garde music draws from Dadaism instead of the nice, melodic, classical avant-garde composers like Erik Satie, Francis Poulenc, and so forth. You don't have to be weird, annoying, and entirely dissonant to be avant-garde... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian |
Posted By: cynthiasmallet
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 16:16
...........*standing ovation and Ennio Morricone music* ------------- Would you like to watch TV, or get between the sheets, or contemplate the silent freeway, would you like something to eat? |
Posted By: sean
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 16:31
Stop denying it people. Everyone knows the best Yes album is 90125. as for my outrageous prog claims: I know what Jon Anderson's lyrics mean the 80's were the best decade for every 70's prog band |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 16:32
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I don't think Morgan were that bad. (first nice outrageous prog view expressed) ;P ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: EnglishAssassin
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 16:40
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Outrageous prog views, eh. It's just a thought, but how about this? "Dream Theater may not be everybody's cup of tea but maybe it's just a little childish and snobby to start whining about how they're fecking awful and they're not real prog anyway every bloody time they're mentioned?" |
Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 16:47
Ohh, that's not an outrageous prog view, that's just getting defensive! Where's the controversy? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian |
Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 16:55
| Genesis....why? |
Posted By: cynthiasmallet
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 16:59
Dear God, i've created a monster! ------------- Would you like to watch TV, or get between the sheets, or contemplate the silent freeway, would you like something to eat? |
Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 17:06
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Ok, here are some of my progressive herasys,
Collins is a better singer than Gabriel
DSOTM, is not nearly as good as The Wall, Animals, Wish You Were Here, Medal, or Pipers
Neo-prog is just as derivative as any other genre
King Crimson didn't invent Prog
DT wern't even close to the first prog-metal band
Post-rock/math-rock will replace prog-metal as the "new sound" in prog
------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 17:08
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There is a danger with this thread that it is simply used as an excuse to be abusive to bands, members, genres, etc.
Humour is fine, but the requirement remains for contributions to this thread to be constructive and civil.
I foresee the future of this thread as a move to "Just for fun", then closure.
Prove me wrong.
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 17:09
you are certainly right with your fourth statement. the invention of prog can definitely not be ascribed to a single band alone. that it was invented by King Crimson is one of the big myths of prog -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 17:14
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Most outrageous thought? Occasionally that Prog is silly, pretentious, overachieving boys playing "my solo's longer than yours" ad nauseum and that a nice cup of tea and a sit down with some Katie Mehlua would be nice ...the horror, the horror. actually i do sometimes think that about Prog. I must be getting old... |
Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 17:21
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Pink Floyd without Waters sounds as good, and sometimes better, than with Waters. ------------- Bigger on the inside. |
Posted By: Mousoleum
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 17:21
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Grace Under Pressure is the best Rush album. A Passion Play is WAY better than Thick as a Brick. I could never get into Dream Theater because I think the singer's voice sounds silly. Nursery Cryme has better songs than Foxtrot. A lot of Neo-Prog is better than the Classic 70's Prog bands. Does anybody REALLY like Syd era Floyd? Seriously? ....And this is how you make enemies, fast! |
Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 17:29
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Tommy was NOT the first concept album - that title belongs to Days of Future Passed! Sgt. Pepper's isn't really that good - in fact I find most of it is mediocre; the White Album is tied for top spot with Abbey Road as the greatest Beatles albums .... and neither of them have ANY filler!  Oh yeah, and Brain Salad Surgery isn't pretentious, at all.  (I guess that was neither constructive nor bashing  ... just "venting my progressive views" as the topic says!)------------- 
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Posted By: proggy
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 17:49
| Love Beach is ELP masterpiece...... |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 18:00
I agree about the "White Album", but don't like "Abbey Road" very much ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 18:03
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1) @ Relayer Perhaps if I stare long enough it'll actually become good. 2) @ Andy Latimer I really don't mind the vocals that much. Not great, but tolerable. 3) @ Red It's still not as good as Islands, ITCOTCK or Larks Tongues In Aspic :p 4) @ Trespass Great album. I love it. 5) @ Roundabout I really do not like this song. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 18:18
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Genesis was better in the 80s.
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Posted By: allan Duul II
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 18:19
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Genesis suck and Yes are overrated! Post Rock Music is on par with all the best 70's stuff! I do not understand Dream Theater at all. Hip Hop Music isn't that bad. |
Posted By: allan Duul II
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 18:20
| Soft Machine 1 and 2 were better than third. |
Posted By: maups2
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 18:22
| MAGMA SUCKS |
Posted By: EnglishAssassin
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 18:25
... and the cover art is a classic to rival anything by Roger Dean. Women must have been swooning in the aisles of record stores. |
Posted By: allan Duul II
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 18:30
 take that back!
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 18:39
Magma blows?  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 18:41
correct, if you continue the sentence: Magma blows other bands from stage ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 18:54
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well Bob is being proven right a few remarks--
no, but it is how you get people to laugh uncontrollably ..and King Crimson wasn't the first prog band, they simply released the first prog album with most of the components in place ..and even that's debatable |
Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 19:05
On second thought, they aren't tied, yet Abbey Road is still second for me. -------------
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Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 19:13
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Heres my two cents...
Jethro Tull arent prog at all
Foxtrot is the worst of all the PG Genesis albums
Post Rock is the new prog rock
Post metal pwns all other forms of metal
I like Magma!!!!
Sigur ros, Porc tree, and Isis still havent made a masterpiece album
Avant garde rock is the most pointless form of music I have yet to hear.
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Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 19:26
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Is it even possible to have outrageous and constructive views? Outrageous is kind of an antonym to civil anyway, plus civil outrage is a fraction as entertaining. And to add something to the thread... Emerson, Lake & Palmer is the definition of the negative connotation of "pretentious". But they were still great guys! :) ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 19:34
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outrageous... to you all perhaps.. not to me... Genesis is the common cure for insomnia.. and doesn't belong on the same page as other groups here. Side 2 of Tarkus is frickin great .. and those who think it is FILLER.. do more reading of others opinions than actual listening. Pawn Hearts is the most disappointing prog album ever made... simply... it could have been one of the best prog albums ever.. and they fell flat ... Rush peaked at Caress of Steel... and have gone downhill... for ....over 30 years ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 19:43
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I think Van der Graaf Generator is a rare example of the "amazing vocalist + boring music" kind of band. Maybe I should check out Peter's solo stuff... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 19:45
I'd say the same of Genesis actually outside of the masterpiece that is SEbtP. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 19:45
Very funny (until now)... so funny it'll be moved to the right forum!  ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 20:20
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 20:23
hahhahhaha... yes... more entertaining than the average Genesis album ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 20:45
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Somehow this thread has become less fun now that it's been moved to Just For Fun.
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Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 23:25
 very true -------------
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Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 23:38
I said it first, and belive me it is the truth...
POST-ROCK WILL DO TO MODERN MUSIC WHAT PROG DID TO THE 70'S
(same goes for math-rock) ------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: January 22 2008 at 01:15
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Posted By: unclemeat69
Date Posted: January 22 2008 at 02:23
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1. To me Dream Theater isn't very progressive, they're more mimicking
whatever's popular. Mike Portnoy himself claims to be more of a fan
than a musician, and their songs are often (if not always) structured
as "a Muse-part here and a Metallica-bit there" etc. 2. the original progressive rock (early 70's) was so called because it WAS progressive (see other threads) as in pushing the boundaries of music, and it died a slow death in the mid-70's. since then most groundbreaking stuff happened elsewhere (extreme metal, electronic stuff, rap etc until that lost its progressive too). and the so-called modern prog is hardly progressive and groundbreaking, just the mixing of styles is not groundbreaking because it has been done a zillion times before since at least the 60's. it might still be enjoyable. 3. the most progressive current band on PA would be Meshuggah as they are progressive with rhythm (progessive melodic as been done to death apparently) and with their sense of rhythm they are closer to Stravinsky than anything else. just my 3 cents ------------- Follow your bliss |
Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: January 22 2008 at 17:39
| Stravinsky was more prog than Genesis. |