Should Kraftwerk be included?
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Topic: Should Kraftwerk be included?
Posted By: Joren
Subject: Should Kraftwerk be included?
Date Posted: March 22 2005 at 08:26
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On allmusic.com they are listed as: And since Neu! is here, maybe Kraftwerk should be here as well? |
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Posted By: Zero the hero
Date Posted: March 22 2005 at 08:29
| maybe their first two albums.Possible,as well the pre-Kraftwerk ''Tone float''.All great stuff. |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: March 22 2005 at 08:32
| I have Die Mensch-Maschine and Trans-Europe Express and I really love some of it. I think their inclusion should be considered. I think I would say YES, more so because Neu! is already here. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: March 22 2005 at 08:39
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Tricky call on that one. If Kraftwerk is in as Neu! , then LA Dusseldorf should also come in. Kraftwerk is also very pop and this might get some people started on Devo ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Joren wrote:Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: March 22 2005 at 08:41
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I think Kraftwerk was FAR more experimental than Radiohead, Rhapsody or Marillion. Kraftwerk's music was based on rock music, was experimental, electronic, hypnotic etc... I say Krautrock!
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Posted By: Zero the hero
Date Posted: March 22 2005 at 08:43
yes you've got to be very carefull with these type of bands,the reason i drew a line at their second album. |
Posted By: Swinton MCR
Date Posted: March 22 2005 at 08:50
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Electronica is definately a prgressive sub-genre - Usually because the music can be long, instrumental and complicated. Tomita anybody ??? ------------- Play me my song, here it comes again |
Posted By: Metropolis
Date Posted: March 22 2005 at 08:51
And Squarepusher, very progressive
------------- We Lost the Skyline............ 
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: March 22 2005 at 08:54
I think Tomita is out of scope. Then why not also Glass , Riley and other minimalists. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: March 22 2005 at 08:57
| Glass and Riley is not really rock music anymore. Glass and Riley is (modern) classical music and Kraftwerk is on the edge of rock and pure electronics (pop?) |
Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: March 22 2005 at 08:59
Not forgetting the wonderful,transitional album Ralf & Florian. ------------- 
Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: March 22 2005 at 09:01
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I was referring to Tomita regarding that statement. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Zero the hero
Date Posted: March 22 2005 at 09:03
O yes i have a lot of Isoa Tomita.Was only playing his rendition of 'Pictures at an exhibition' the other day.I still chuckle at the piece ''Chickens hatching out of there eggs'' |
Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: March 22 2005 at 09:11
That track brings back memories.Alan Freeman would use it as a segue on his Saturday Show whenever he could,which in hind-sight,was quite often. -------------
Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb. |
Posted By: Fitzcarraldo
Date Posted: March 22 2005 at 09:47
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Well, I voted 'yes' because of their early stuff. I like what I've heard of their 1970s work and have Autobahn on CD myself, which - for its time - was very progressive music (not to mention good) in my opinion.
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Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: March 22 2005 at 10:07
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YES how can you say no to this photo!!! ------------- CYMRU AM BYTH 
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Their Rock-ish in this one!Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: March 22 2005 at 10:09
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Stratovarius, Ruckzuck, Kometenmolodie 1 and 2 are the most Progressive Tracks ------------- CYMRU AM BYTH
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Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: March 22 2005 at 10:11
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Cool Eletronics!! (Very Prog) ------------- CYMRU AM BYTH
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Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: March 22 2005 at 10:11
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1 & 2 until autobahn should be included, this is prog music! megahertz is one of the finest prog track of all time ------------- 
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Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: March 22 2005 at 10:29
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The problem is: there isn't a section to include just a few albums. Include them all! |
Posted By: hdfisch
Date Posted: March 22 2005 at 11:00
| I voted yes, but mainly for reasons of fairness, since NEU is already in, two member of where coming from Kraftwerk.Honestly this electronic stuff is not so much my cup of tea, like many other things of KRAUTROCK. They admittedly had quite an important impact on music, especially in the Industrial genre and in Techno music, not so much in Progressive Rock IMHO. Their later records were rather radio-friendly and pop-ish. But anyway this kind of music is too minimalistic for my ears! |
Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: March 22 2005 at 11:03
that's an honest point of view -------------
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Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: March 22 2005 at 11:58
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There's no point in including just a few albums and leaving the rest out. Many bands have their nonproggy/poppy/crappy albums here as well (Genesis - Invisible Touch, anyone?). |
Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: March 22 2005 at 13:41
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Not in my opinion, and I love the band. There's almost no 'rock' in Kraftwerk (though plenty of 'progressive'), and I'm almost positive the band wouldn't appreciate the association. What's with the burning urge to add to the site, anyway? Has everyone already absorbed all the bands listed here? Wow, I must be pretty far behind the rest of you, huh? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/sollipsist/?chartstyle=kaonashi"> 
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Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: March 29 2005 at 11:03
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I just want the site to be COMPLETE I guess... or I just want to review their albums You say they are not really rock, but their music is based on rock music, I think. And other bands aren't REALLY rock music either (Mahavishnu, some Zappa, Magma) |
Posted By: terramystic
Date Posted: March 29 2005 at 15:07
| Definitely YES! Early albums are keyworks in krautrock genre. |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: March 29 2005 at 15:14
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No. I've got the complete run of Kraftwerk albums, and I believe that they have a place in any self respecting music collection. I'd say the same for the Beatles, Beach Boys, Byrds, Dylan, Leonard Cohen, The Who and The Smiths (to name but several) - brilliant, innovative artists one and all, but none of them prog. There's loads of other places on the web devoted to them, why clutter up the archive? ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: Vegetableman
Date Posted: March 29 2005 at 15:21
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This thread http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=754&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=754&am p;PN= says Kraftwerk will not be included http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=754&PN=1 - ------------- "Mister Fripp, your music is quite different than everything else out there. In one word, how would you describe it?" "Progressive.... yeah, that's it..." |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: March 29 2005 at 18:18
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Well Max can still change his mind .
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Posted By: aqualung28
Date Posted: March 29 2005 at 18:34
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why is everyone saying yes now when I proposed their entry last year? Everyone disagreed then. But yes, they must be included ------------- "O' lady look up in time o' lady look out of love 'n you should have us all O' you should have us fall" "Bill's Corpse" By Captain Beefheart |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: March 29 2005 at 18:36
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Sorry, I didn't know that last year I wasn't too familiar with Kraftwerk, though. mailto:M@x - M@x can indeed change his mind |
Posted By: aqualung28
Date Posted: March 29 2005 at 18:43
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well, lets try and get em in we got Beefheart and Fantomas in so we might as well try Kraftwerk ------------- "O' lady look up in time o' lady look out of love 'n you should have us all O' you should have us fall" "Bill's Corpse" By Captain Beefheart |
Posted By: aqualung28
Date Posted: March 29 2005 at 19:19
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I'll email max
------------- "O' lady look up in time o' lady look out of love 'n you should have us all O' you should have us fall" "Bill's Corpse" By Captain Beefheart |
Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 11:38
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SO, WHAT IS THE CONCLUSION OF THE DEBATE, PLEASE? -------------
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Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: April 02 2005 at 13:36
| I don't know if Max has seen this thread... |
Posted By: ummagumma08
Date Posted: April 03 2005 at 08:58
| Of course Kraftwerk should be included (perhaps not their entire catalogue) |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: April 03 2005 at 10:03
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Yes, and that's what the problem is...
yes or no? |
Posted By: bumheed7
Date Posted: April 03 2005 at 11:39
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yes they should be but thats not to say that i like them. tis too repetitive for my liking
------------- Good Morning Carpark Fans 
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: April 03 2005 at 14:32
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I see they are now being added. http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=1589 - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAN D.asp?band_id=1589 |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: April 03 2005 at 18:23
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Fantastic! Edit: I think they should be catagorized as Krautrock! Edit nr. 2: Hey! That's fast! It changed! Thanks! |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 06 2005 at 10:05
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Any reviews yet for those so eager to have them in? I cannot help you because I am waiting for yopur reviews to see which albums are worthy. come on guys, Get to it!!! ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Winterfamily
Date Posted: April 07 2005 at 12:23
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YES, PLEASE!!!!!! Take a listen to "Trans Europe Express"/"Metal On Metal" if you're looking for a long prog epic full of virtuoso keyborads  . |