Dream theater
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Topic: Dream theater
Posted By: yoel?
Subject: Dream theater
Date Posted: September 29 2007 at 17:29
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Im english
and in english, it should really be spelt dream theatre
but dream theater are american.
at the moment im spelling it dream theater
so, should I stay true to the real english language, or spell it incorrectly because thats how the band themselves spell it
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Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: September 29 2007 at 17:36
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By saying "I'm in english" do you mean...England? Because here in Canada, being "in English" means that in school, you are in the English stream, not the French Immersion stream (the latter is actually a balance of both languages). But I suppose you are right, yeol. I would say that we should spell it the way the band spells it. After all, if a band named themselves "OIUASIUS" we would still spell it OIUASIUS. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 29 2007 at 17:48
It's a band name ... it doesn't depend on which country you're from. You wouldn't call that Aerosmith song "love in a lift" either ... and ZZ Top aren't pronounced "zed zed top".  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: September 29 2007 at 18:40
Thats exactly how i pronounce it. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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MikeEnRegalia wrote:Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: September 29 2007 at 18:43
 next you'll be telling me that King's Ten should really called King's Cross.  ------------- What? |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 29 2007 at 19:23
 I guess in this situation it helps when you're neither American nor English ...
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Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: September 30 2007 at 00:57
Out of curiosity, did you learn British English or American English? -------------   |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 30 2007 at 05:26
Technically I learned British English, but in school our teachers used to point out British words which aren't used in American English when we came across them.  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: October 02 2007 at 21:13
| Phial is so much more elegant than Vial. |
Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: October 02 2007 at 21:16
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They spell it "Theater." Works for me.
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: October 02 2007 at 21:29
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Its a band name. If they want to spell it S Edit: Bah! somebody basically said the same already. This is why I usualy read all the posts first. But hey, its Ghandi's birthday. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Sandwich, that's their prerogative, regardless of whether they are English, American or Kiwi.Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: October 02 2007 at 21:32
S Sandwich is one of the greatest reviews I've ever heard.
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 02 2007 at 21:54
I am going to start deleting every post I see like this from you two,with the exception of the VR or JFF. -------------  |
Posted By: Greg W
Date Posted: October 02 2007 at 22:38
Finally Dream Theater is where they belong. In the Discussion NOT related to Music!
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: October 02 2007 at 22:44
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I think that however a band chooses to spell its name, we should respect it. No spelling is more right than another. Of course, suppose they spelled it "Dreeame Theighahtre" then we should probably call them idiots and spell it either Theatre or Theater. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: October 02 2007 at 22:52
Half of our members do that anyways. ------------- |
Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: October 02 2007 at 22:57
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dreeem theeeatr
whats wrong with that, my english is gooder than most of yours anyways! ------------- 
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Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 09:36
I thought it was King's Kiss! ------------- "The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time." |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 09:59
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It's not a question of right or wrong, but rather of two regional varieties of the same language. The same happens with Spanish in South and Central America, Portuguese in Brazil, and French in Canada, to mention just the best-known examples. If in American English the spelling is 'theater', as the band are unquestionably from the US, then we should use the American spelling even if we don't like it. Like MikeEnRegalia, I also learnt British English, and had never been to the US before October last year. However, I have always been aware of the differences in spelling, pronunciation and vocabulary, and, while I still spell and pronounce words in the British way (I've often been asked if I was British), I have taken to using more and more 'American' words like apartment, elevator, gasoline and sidewalk when I am there. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 10:08
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At least the following U.S. band got it right.
../album.asp?id=10080#buymusic -
 Actually, both spellings are considered correct in the US, I believe. I have a spell-check program running in the background as I type, and it's underlining "theatre" which indicates that it should be revised. Irregardless of country, of course the band name should be spelled as they spell it (not sure if the members of DT can spell, but that's by-the-by). I know I often feel bad about skipping umlauts/ accents/ various punctuation marks in some band and album names -- not good with the keyboard symbols. Since, like I spell colour with a "u", I usually automatically spell theatre with an "re" at the end, I have to think before spelling out the band's name. Or at least i did, now I'm used to writing out Dream Theater. Although DT -- delerium tremens - usually suffices. Actually, I don't like the use of acronyms much -- there are other bands that that can be abbreviated to DT, like Deadsoul Tribe, but I Digress Terribly. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 10:12
I only know King's X who are indeed called King's Cross.  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 10:17
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As an Englishman (as opposed to a Britisher) I endeavour to use English spellings whenever I can actually manage to spell the word properly in the first place. Pointing out the differences between the proper way to spell a word and the American way is a gentle pastime of light relief to we British that may appear pompous, but is actually the reverse. I spell Dream Theater as Theatre because it amuses me, just as much as when I see Theatre of Tragedy, Theatre of Hate, Theatre Des Vampires, Theatre of the Macabre and Nightmare Theatre spelt the American way it makes me smile. It's childish, but that's why we are two nations seperated by a common language.
Oddly - so do I.
The the same thing happens when I visit Scotland - I seem to pick up a Scots Brogue that is never intended to be patronising, it just happens.
I think it's a case of "When in Rome do as the Romans do" as the say  ------------- What? |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 10:21
Well, I lived in your beloved Siena  for eight years, and people used to tell me I'd acquired the local accent - which is very distinctive and easily recognisable to every native speaker of Italian. I've noticed Micky often uses the British spelling of words.... I'll always remember one time when Geck0 complimented him on having written "colour" instead of "color" - and that was before we "came out", so to say! I think I've influenced him big time... |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 10:22
So, Symphony X are called Symphony Cross.  Cool  ------------- What? |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 10:53
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^ what about Malcolm Cross ... or Generation Cross for that matter?
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 12:15
 Or crosslax...------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow"> https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: oroboross
Date Posted: October 28 2007 at 14:09
| This is some Dream Theater thread. I can't believe there is so much discussion about how to spell a bands name. You look at their cd cover and copy it. Easy enough. How do Italians spell Labyrinth? Music sounds the same no matter how you spell it. |
Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: October 28 2007 at 22:06
| By the way the band spells it I guess, it would seem most appropiate. |
Posted By: FunnyWays
Date Posted: October 30 2007 at 14:17
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Its a name and names have to be spelt the same whatever country you in. There an American band so there called theater, if they were a british band everyone would have to put up with it being the other way.
Anyway to me theater makes more sence, don't like the look of the word theatre. ------------- 
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 30 2007 at 14:42
eh? What? What's not to like? It looks too French?
I guess you won't be walking a 100 metres to the shopping centre for a litre of milk.
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: October 30 2007 at 22:27
Listen to this guy -- he knows his English....
As with many words, theater is spelled differently by Americans and Brits, thus both spellings are "right." Deal with it, folks!
Regarding the British version, I can tell by looking at the "re"ending that it's almost certainly French in origin. Yes -- I just confirmed, via my Dictionary of Word Origins that it does indeed come from Old French (via that Norman Conquest thing, no doubt).
Now stop banging on about it, and go read a book, for Pete's sake! ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: October 30 2007 at 22:34
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All of this is nonsense....
Names are to be pronounced and written as they are... ANYWHERE... there are NAMES belonging to only ONE entity in the world... no matter how many bands/people/whatever share the name, when it refers to a particular being, it's only HIS/HER...
I never agree with people in spanish translating Johann Sebastian Bach into Juan Sebastian Bach... Aghhh!
 His name is JOHANN... I would never like to see Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra called Michael of Cervantes Saavedra (aghhh)... Even with supid things, I don't translate even names of cars, hotels, anything... If I can't pronounce the word (as, for example, a french name) I just pronounce it like I can, but I never translate as it's NOT a generic but something for just ONE being...Why don't we call The Beatles Los Escarabajos (it would have to be different as Beat-and beetles are different... it's a game of words..) Or I know! All of you Genesis worshippers! For now on, as my language is spanish, it's Pedro Gabriel and Felipe Collins for me... and Yes is no longer Yes, it's SI.
Dream Theater were named Dream THEATER by their members.. If they chose to name themselves Dream THIATREDS just because they wanted to, it's their band and their name... the same with any band.
This wins for most useless thread ever....sorry ------------- 
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: October 30 2007 at 22:41
There are some exceptions with kings, popes, biblical and ancient characters, no?  ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: October 30 2007 at 22:47
I don't agree... well, with kings and Popes, THEY actually choose their names and as it's somewhat of a "universal possesion" (yes, this sounds weird... I don't know how to explain it, but think of the Pope as -according to Christians- the Apostle of God in Earth, so as God is Universal, well, there's no "property" or sense of belonging in a Pope's name... the only case....)
With biblical characters, that's actually because we have been taught so. And because the only prints of the bible available to most people are prints in each person's own language..
Hector villalobos? Hector Village-Wolves?? (
 )... No, I prefer Heitor...And I demand that even for myself. At work, people used to call me THEO... I have asked everyone to call me TEO... that's not my name (short for my name actually) but that's how it's spelled....imagine my last name which is Gomez de la Torre translated: Gomez of The Tower....  -------------
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: October 30 2007 at 22:50
Your spell check program is set to American English, then. Canada follows British spelling patterns.
(American versions are inevitably creeping in, though, as reading and writing skills deteriorate, and mass media and the Internet spread California surfer/Valley-speak to, like, every corner of the world).
You and every good Canadian are SUPPOSED to spell "colour" with a "u." Leave out the u and I'll deduct a mark!
The word is regardless. "Irregardless" is not a word.
 Thus concludes the lesson. Good luck with the delirium tremens, by the way!
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Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: October 30 2007 at 22:52
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Grammer are for pussies ------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: October 30 2007 at 22:59
Well, the thread is petty, certainly, but Dream Theater spelt their name as they did because they are Americans. They did not invent the spelling. (Yes, a band can misspell its name if the members so wish, but nonetheless "theater" is a correct spelling.)
Spelling in a standard fashion is certainly not "nonsense." You might as well say adding or subtracting in a standard fashion is nonsense. Languages have rules to facilitate effective communication from one writer or speaker to the next. That's just the way the world works, my friend. ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 30 2007 at 23:04
you mean 'Grammers' |
Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: October 30 2007 at 23:07
oops, I meant Grammers is for pussies
 i'm so embarassed------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: October 30 2007 at 23:35
my dear teacher, I understand and agree. But with names, I mantain my position. Or are you PEDRO?
My good teacher.  -------------
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 30 2007 at 23:48
Humorous intent or not, you are perversely pedantic, Peter. No offence taken, however. It's your schtick. Not that it matters, but irregardless is a word, but it is dialectic United Statesian. Rather appropriate, I thought. Of course the ir at the beginning is superfluous.And shame on me for the delirium typo, I must have been delirious. I have thrown away that spell-check program, which of course I knew was in Americanized English, as I rather feel like I'm cheating when I use one at all. I could rarely be bothered with it anyway. Only the auto-checker was using American English, but I could never bother to run the other. As for the u in colour, I automatically use it, but sometimes in my work it has been considered better that I use Americanized English for documents. Anyway, the main point of my old post was merely to say that theatre can be spelled both ways in the US, and that Hamster Theatre, an American band, uses the "re" spelling. Peter, you make me very glad I'm not still in school (either studying or teaching). Though I do proofread and edit the odd thesis. I know I'm horribly under-qualified even if they are just economics papers.To go boldly where no serious linguist has gone before... That's one of my little goals in life. |
Posted By: oroboross
Date Posted: October 31 2007 at 01:19
| What a horrific waste of a thread. Is this a music forum or a grammer forum? If you are Chinese it's still Dream Theater. This was the first thread I went to. If this is any indication of the level of discussion about Dream Theater I'm wasting my time. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 31 2007 at 04:19
The only exceptions that I know of are place and country names.
Inglaterra,
Англия,
Inghilterra,
Angleterre,
Großbritannien ... For some reason the Google translator came up with that for the German version, I think the German name is actually England. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: October 31 2007 at 04:37
Perhaps you might care to try one of our other threads. We have quite a lot here you know. It seems strange that you should focus your initial posts on deriding the one you don't care for.
The discussion is perfectly legitimate. If you feel it is wasting your time, then move along to a different one.
Simple eh?
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: October 31 2007 at 08:23
That's GRAMMAR.
I think a 'horriffic" thread is perfect for Halloween, but if it's not exciting enough for you, might I recommend an "X vs Y -- who's best" or "what are you listening to" thread? Those numbers and lists are always thrilling! ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: October 31 2007 at 08:27
Rest In Pieces, Le The....
Yes, people are free to spell their names in whatever fashion their parents want! ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: October 31 2007 at 08:33
Thanks for taking it in such good grace, Slow-gan.
You know, re the delirium tremens thing, I wasn't even trying to correct the spelling, but just lighten the tone of my response.
Bugs! Little bugs everywhere! Get 'em offa me! ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: October 31 2007 at 08:41
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The method for attracting Peter to a thread is thus seen to be very simple, akin to rubbing an ancient lamp prior to the arrival of a genie...
It's simple: SPELL ANY WORD INCORRECTLY OR MISUSE GRAMMAR Lo and (indeed) behold, he shall appear and grant you three public embarrasments, two falls, a submission and an artichoke. ------------- 
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: October 31 2007 at 08:53
Break like the wind, eh, Garten!
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Posted By: FunnyWays
Date Posted: October 31 2007 at 08:54
I can admit any time I can't spell and my grammer is useless when im not takening care. I don't put ' things in forums becouse there a pain to type to be honest and unless it somthing like ill and i'll when its needed.
I was just saying as someone said a little back if somone says that how the name is spelt then thats how it's spelt. Katy can be Katy or Katie but there still the same thing, you could have it caty if you really wanted and everyone would have to spell it like that. -------------
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: October 31 2007 at 08:59
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^ Well Limber, someone DID ask, and start all this....
Fine!
 I'll go to where I'm paid to irritate and humiliate people now!LOLGGTTYLROTFLMAO
FOL! ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 31 2007 at 10:01
Actually it's like this:
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 31 2007 at 10:21
That's what I though. Google knows nothing  ------------- What? |
Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: October 31 2007 at 10:21
If anyone's interested:
Great Britain is an island made up of Scotland, England and Wales,
the United Kingdom is made up of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
With all the arguing over the spelling of Theatre/Theater, nobody's noticed that they spelled Dram wrong. ------------- "The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time." |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 31 2007 at 12:27
*falls off the wagon* I knew that, Pooter, but I do find it rather shameful for me to make any spelling mistakes in a topic concerned with [a] spelling. I have grown increasingly sloppy and disorganised when it comes to online communication -- and that needs correction. I appreciate all feedback, humorous or otherwise. Keep the laughs coming as well as the sobering thoughts, Pater. 
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Bugs! Little bugs everywhere! Get 'em offa me!
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: October 31 2007 at 14:45
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OK, you b*****ds....... Why do you English-speaking people think you have the right to translate everything to accomodate you? ....From now on you'll have to read my posts and use dictionary.com or something to understand.. let me give you some tips about how some old names will translate into the new ones:
Dream Theater = Teatro de Suenos
Yes = Si
Gentle Giant = Gigante Amable
Camel = Camello
Steve Hackett = Esteban Hackett
Rush = Apuro
Selling England By the Pound = Vendiendo Inglaterra por Libras
Death = Muerte
And believe me, I'll also do it with your names:
Peter = Pedro
MikeEnRegalia = Miguel En Regalia
TheProgtologist = El Progtologo
Jim Garten = Jaimito Jardin
and so on....
I hope we understand each other from now on...
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: October 31 2007 at 14:57
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Great translations, Teo! However, I can tell you that Italians and French people are also very keen on translating everything, especially the latter. I remember I used to have a Rome guidebook translated in English and French, and every single church name had been translated in French - sometimes with slightly hilarious results. Well, it would be fun to try at least with the names of our friends.... Peter = Pietro Jim Garten = Giacomino Giardino The Progtologist = Il Progtologo MikeEnRegalia = Michele InRegalia Easy Livin = Vita Facile Tony R. = Tonino R. DT = Teatro dei Sogni Many names would be almost the same... It would be fun to translate those really complicated band names we have around, such as Moving Gelatine Plates or Behold.... The Arctopus |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: October 31 2007 at 20:20
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Raff: here is your post, tranlated via "Babelfish" from English to Italian, and back:
Great translations, Teo! However, I can dirvi that people of the French and the Italians are much moreover acute one on the translation of all, particularly the posterior one. Me memory of that I have used to have tourist guide de Rome translate in English and every French and single name of the church had been translate in French - to times with it turns out to you a po' hilarious. Well, it would be divertimento to try at least with the names of our friends.... Peter = Peter Jim Garten = Giacomino Garden the Progtologist = the Progtologo MikeEnRegalia = Michele easy easy InRegalia tony of Life = of Livin R. = Tonino R separation = of the Dreams of Theatre Many names would be nearly the same ones... It would be divertimento in order translate those names that really you complicates of wraps has around, which the moving slabs of the gelatin or from behold.... The Arctopus
I like what it did with our names -- only I made it back unscathed! ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: October 31 2007 at 20:26
Pedro Mandrakeroot! ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: November 01 2007 at 04:18
Hmmm...
Jaimito Jardin or Giacomo Giardino? Love both of them, but I'd probably go with the Italian (Vicky and I are going to Florence for a couple of days in December, so I shall try it on for size then) -------------
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: November 01 2007 at 04:41
| I think I'll go with Vita Facile, it sounds much better! |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: November 01 2007 at 04:45
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'Facile'
Perfect surname for an admin, Bob -------------
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: oroboross
Date Posted: November 01 2007 at 14:55
Yes I know, that was the point. Grammar, oh yea, horrific has one f.
And I have tried the other threads, thanks.It's just Dream Theater is my fav band and has been since When Dream And Day Unite, I find it frustrating when all somebody can do is discuss how it's spelled for 3 pages in a thread.
So how about I start.
What is your favorite Dream Theater studio album?
What is your favorite Dream Theater live album?
What is your favorite Dream Theater side project?
Who is you favorite Dream Theater keyboardist?
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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: November 03 2007 at 09:59
Broadly speaking I agree with you (there's a first time for everything!). I think that Giusseppe Verdi would be a lot less highly regarded outside Italy if we Anglicised his name to Joe Green.
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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: November 03 2007 at 10:10
This is nothing - just check out the Magma MDK thread, which is all about the use of diacritics in one of their album titles: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=42461&KW - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=42461&KW =
And a splendid waste of time it is too! ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 05 2007 at 15:52
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Posted By: steve j
Date Posted: November 10 2007 at 09:31
| We in Wales call them Dream Theater. We may have dual language roadsigns, but we only need single language for prog band names. |