Drum Solos on Studio Albums...
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Topic: Drum Solos on Studio Albums...
Posted By: The Hemulen
Subject: Drum Solos on Studio Albums...
Date Posted: March 02 2005 at 15:31
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Personally I find nothing marrs a great studio cut more than a couple
of minutes of mindless unaccompanied bashing, and after jazz, prog must
be the worst offender for this sort of thing. Live, of course, it's
another matter, but on studio albums? Blerk! Your opinions, please... |
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Posted By: AngelRat
Date Posted: March 02 2005 at 15:59
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Indeed, completely useless and annoying. -------------  |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: March 02 2005 at 16:11
| I like clever drum fills on studio albums but have to agree with you that they are kind of out of place in the studio environment. The only one I can think of that actually works is Carmine Appice`s solo on Jan Akkerman`s Tabernakel. solo album. |
Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: March 02 2005 at 16:12
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Phil Ehart's on Incomudro - Hymn To The Atman works well. This might be because Kansas is lacking in tons of live releases.  ------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: Possessed
Date Posted: March 02 2005 at 16:26
| Some are interesting until after many listenings. I voted no if they are under two minutes. Most are tedious if longer( the exception being the drum solo on Iron Butterfly's studio version of In A Gadda Da Vida!) |
Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: March 02 2005 at 18:02
| I dislike drum solos in general. Some manages to get my attention (Mike Portnoy's on "Live At Budokan"), but in general it all sounds like random bashing to me. |
Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: March 02 2005 at 18:06
| There are some very impressive solos. Check out Bill Bruford's "The Drum Also Waltzes" (originally a Max Roach comp) from one of the Moraz/Bruford albums. It's very classy and controlled. |
Posted By: Rob The Plant
Date Posted: March 02 2005 at 18:09
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Moby Dick anyone? Anyone ever heard of Moby Friggen Dick?
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 02 2005 at 18:11
Dare I mention ELP's 'Tank' without copping a load of abuse? 
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: March 02 2005 at 18:14
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Sounds like a German porn star! ------------- 
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Rob The Plant wrote:
Posted By: Rob The Plant
Date Posted: March 02 2005 at 18:19
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Posted By: Sweetnighter
Date Posted: March 02 2005 at 19:16
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This poll disgusts me. -Neil Peart drum fills make any and every Rush studio cut more enjoyable -Drum intros to many of the songs on Billy Cobham's Spectrum album are very tasteful and well placed how can you just generalize that way? ------------- I bleed coffee. When I don't drink coffee, my veins run dry, and I shrivel up and die. "Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso? Is that like the bank of Italian soccer death or something?" -my girlfriend |
Posted By: arqwave
Date Posted: March 02 2005 at 19:22
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Being a drummer is a very important matter to discuss. I agree that sometimes there is an overdose of percussion hits, and in the end, it makes the listener to press the "skip" dial, however, ther's a lot of great "mini" solos in records, only to feature a change, a bridge or a space, i wonder if you ever heard full-percussion albums?... i think not, so many people think that drumming is just as easy a grabbing a tenis racket (and that is another point of discussion) anyway, drumming is a very important part of music, and a good solo is a thing to remember, and of course a bad solo is just a waste of time. You have to be very careful with the records you hear and buy, beacuse in jazz and in fusion, soloing is an integral part of the main musical piece. ------------- between darkness and light |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 02 2005 at 19:41
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richardh wrote: Dare I mention ELP's 'Tank' without copping a load of abuse?
Now which do you prefer Rich.The original from there debut or the one on 'Works 1'?
Personally the drumming on the closing of King crimson's 'In the court' album does everything for me...Awesome.
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Posted By: alan_pfeifer
Date Posted: March 02 2005 at 19:46
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As a drummer, I can say that the STUDIO version is nothing spectacular (not dissing Bohnam at all, one of my fav's), but LIVE, that song is amazing. And I voted yes. The drums can solo, as long as it helps the song. (Sound Chaser, anyone?)
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Posted By: Rob The Plant
Date Posted: March 02 2005 at 20:23
Actually that's the one that strikes me most as well, on the box DVD, the Moby Dick live is amazing, and also the Solo on "The Song Remains the Same." Like most Zep, Moby Dick really xomes alive when live (oh alliteration!). Also as mentioned Tank is prett awesome. I just bought the first ELP album today. ------------- Collaborators will take your soul. |
Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: March 02 2005 at 20:28
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Allan holdsorth's IOU album has a NECESSARY drum solo by gary husband! ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
Posted By: illustrated
Date Posted: March 02 2005 at 21:02
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I was just going to say... |
Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: March 02 2005 at 21:13
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Was really into drum solos at one point ... particularly ... Ginger Baker in Cream's studio version of Toad I prefer these studio versions to the much lengthier live versions ... but most of my favourite drum moments aren't from solos per se ... Ian Paice, BJ Wilson, Neil Peart, Phil Collins and Bill Bruford are awesome drummers whose regular playing I prefer to the odd solo moments I've heard (although I can only recall Paice and Peart solos right now) I notice though that I have a big problem with the changes in the sounds of drums from the late 70s onwards ... and I've hardly liked any drumming since ...
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Posted By: Possessed
Date Posted: March 02 2005 at 21:38
Actually it is a bit confusing. If you vote Non = No, it means that drum solos shouldn't be outlawed. If you voted Oui = Yes, it means that drum solos should be outlawed. Trouserpress |
Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: March 02 2005 at 23:51
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: March 03 2005 at 15:33
| I played drums for a number of years and hated doing solos. I would rather have the bass player doing something with me at the same time. I don't know why there was always some egghead in the audience shouting out: Drum solo! Drum solo! You can be much more creative by playing off the other musicians. I have met quite a few other drummers who sort of feel the same way. One of the goofiest and most annoying drum solos I've ever heard is that Rythm Method by Niel Peart.Can't the guy come up with something new if he absolutely has to do a drum solo during every freakin' Rush show. And another thing I can't believe is that it appears on 2 or 3 of the too many Rush live albums, I'd rather listen to a Mariah track. Honestly. One of my favourite rock drummers was Kieth Moon who was always accenting and playing off both Towshend and Entwhistle. He didn't just keep a beat he was in his own dimension when he was behind the kit. Probably the two worst drum solos I've ever heard were from Peter Criss of Kiss on Kiss Alive and Bill Ward on Rat Salad from Paranoid. Bill just sounded like he was on drugs and Peter was just a crappy drummer. Yes, I know I know this thread is supposed to only be about studio drum solos. Pierre van der Linden's solos from Focus III ( I always skip over it ) and the first Trace album are totally unecessary and boring while his drum fills on Hocus Pocus are some of the most exciting in rock. As a listener or even a player drum solos are just about as boring as a 10 minute tuba solo save for the odd exception. |
Posted By: alan_pfeifer
Date Posted: March 03 2005 at 15:45
Crap. Got me there! |
Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: March 03 2005 at 16:06
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I can't remember a Kansas concert (I have been to several since 1975) where Phil Erhart ever did a drum solo period. ------------- 
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Posted By: Rune3000
Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 18:31
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There is no need for time-filling on a prog-album. Otherwise I feel that a drumsolo can improve a song on a live album. So please no "Moby Dick"'s |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 18:49
I love a nice studio drum solo. Tank for a start is one of my favourites and thers a great solo on Green by Steve Hillage. Even Gentle Giant have some great studio solos, so please don't put them in Room 101! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: June 29 2005 at 23:47
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Posted By: Philrod
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 18:07
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If it adds to the song. then go ahead! Billy Cobham is mostly always doing solos anyways Listen to his album Spectrum! Amazing drumming! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Philrod/?chartstyle=Geldropdown-small"> 
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Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: July 03 2005 at 23:46
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so long as they are tasteful, why not too often they suck Tank on ELP is one of the few that works. ------------- 
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Posted By: Retrovertigo
Date Posted: July 04 2005 at 01:18
| Dharma For One is cool. Zappa has a lot of cool solos on his major releases. Then again, I'm a drummer and I love it. |
Posted By: Forgotten Son
Date Posted: July 04 2005 at 13:36
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I like some drum solos from studio albums. Two that spring to mind are
the one in Thick as a Brick and the one in Tusk by Fleetwood Mac (short
but sweet). Moby Dick is OK, but drags on a bit. What I don't like, though, is live drum solos that last more than 2-3 minutes. The live version of Moby Dick is one of the most boring things I've ever heard. |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: July 04 2005 at 15:08
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Even though I am a drummer, drum solos can be boring for me (especially when they go over the 10-minute mark). Still, i love some drum solos, but not all i've heard. ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: July 05 2005 at 03:44
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Drum soloing can be musical though - check out Pierre Moerlin's work on Gong's "Gazeuze"; always spot on, always entertaining, never boring. ------------- 
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Posted By: Johnny-The-Fox
Date Posted: July 05 2005 at 08:46
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Why not? It´s up to the bands to offer something to the listener and make it work. Shows the difference how good/creative a drummer is. And in a studio mindless drumming gets more obvious than in a live concert - maybe that´s the reason why there aren´t many studio drum solos. Two good examples: |
Posted By: Gluonio
Date Posted: July 06 2005 at 21:42
I was bored of Clive Bunker's(JT) solo on 'Dharma for one' but i loved it on the Isle of Wight JT DVD!Another studio solo that comes in to my mind is Jay Dorfman's(Sweet smoke) on Silly Sally and that was a good one! So ,i think that it depends on the solo and how nice the solo matches with the rest of the music! ------------- ...But my dreams are for dreaming and best left that way-and my zero to your power of ten equals nothing at all... |
Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: July 08 2005 at 00:51
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Pierre Moerlin's Gong was pretty boring in itself, but their is some good percussion work there -------------
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Posted By: Coya
Date Posted: July 08 2005 at 15:57
I have a question: How do you find Bill Bruford's in the song Perpetual Change of the Yessongs album? I find it really really bad, or at least there is absolute nothing special about it  . (Even though it's played by Bill Bruford in one of the best albums ever).
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Posted By: Borealis
Date Posted: July 08 2005 at 18:48
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I think it depend on the album, the song and the band. Drum solos I herd in some Focus songs are pretty cool, and they fit the music well. It would not be the case with Genesis... ------------- Vive le Québec libre!... |
Posted By: Cygnus X-1
Date Posted: July 08 2005 at 18:59
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Drum solos on studio albums don't work. You wouldn't listen to 20 min Moby Dick drum solo by Bonzo recorded in a studio, would if it was live. |
Posted By: Cygnus
Date Posted: July 13 2005 at 05:45
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I THINK : STUDIO SOLOS : NO DRUM FILLS : HELL YEAH LIVE SOLOS : YES AS LONG AS THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEEN, NOT JUST SKIN TORTRURING WITHOUT A REASON. |